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[AndreaDraco]

I respect every opinion, of course, but being the first person Zevran really loved* made my character feel really special.



*One can argue that he loved Rinna too, and this may be true -- actually, it's better if this is true because Zevran opening himself to the PC once again after that tragedy means that the PC is even more special to him

[Tamyn]

SweetiePea wrote...

Zev doesn't appeal to me as a romantic interest because he is too experienced. That makes a romance feel a bit cheap to me, as, for me personally, it doesn't give me the sense that my PC is special. 

I think the PC is special because she gets him to be vulnerable and risk investing in love for the long term. He's slept with a lot of people, but none of them (save Rinna) meant anything to him. I like to think that he commits to monogamy with the PC in my epilogue.

AndreaDraco wrote...

*One can argue that he loved Rinna too, and this may be true -- actually, it's better if this is true because Zevran opening himself to the PC once again after that tragedy means that the PC is even more special to him

Exactly.

It's also noteworthy that this time he chooses love over being a cold-blooded assassin, as he didn't in Rinna's case.

Modifié par Tamyn, 30 décembre 2009 - 12:32 .

[Namirsolo]

Okay, so.. this might turn out to be a really long post. I'm sory in advance if it does. I'm a girl, if that makes any of what I say carry more weight. I'm also one whose boyfriend is sick of hearing about Zevran, so I'm glad to find an outlet to do this. haha

First of all- Zevran is interesting. His past is fascinating. He appears dangerous on the surface. He also does not wear his heart on his sleeve as all of your other companions (except for Morrigan) do. No one knows what is going on inside of him except the pc if they choose to romance him.

The accent is hot. His voice is sexy. I think it's funny that people automatically call him adrogynous because he's an elf. He just has long hair. He is quite manly and has a swagger that Legolas could never pull off. I personally find him more masculine than I do Alistair.

I don't find him sleazy. Yes, he is a free spirit who does not have strict rules about whom he sleeps with. Sex is not the same as love to  him. I admire this because I believe that most people are entirely too hung up on rules and just plain need to relax about sex.

I wouldn't even call his flirting with the other party members sleazy as I don't even believe he's completely serious about it. Sure, if one them were to "bite" I'm sure he would follow through, but I don't think he expects them to. He acts the way he does in your party mainly to get people off his back so that they will stop prying into his life. This is most apparent when Wynne condescendingly says to him "You do know that murder is wrong, don't you?" and he deflects her by talking about her bosom.

His banter with all of the other party members reveals that he is extremely intelligent, wily, and witty. There is far more to Zevran than he is willing to let most people see.

The thing that I most like about the character is his life philosophy. He tells you that he takes every day at a time and lives for the moment, excepting the good with the bad. He has had the hardest life out of anyone in your party. His parents were both dead by the time he was born and he was raised by prostitutes. Then he was basically sold into the slavery of the Crows. It is hinted at (by his nightmare in the Fade) that the training was harsh and entailed a lot of torture. He had no choice in becoming an assasin- if he was goign to leave it could only be through his own death.

Yet, despite all that he has been through he is not angry or bitter. He "rolls with the punches" and makes the best of what he is given. I honestly cannot think of a more appealing trait in a person. Most other people with his upbringing would be emo gits that no one could stand to be around.

The story of his romance appeals more to me because if you spare him you have basically saved his life and given him a new beginning that he never thought was possible. You have freed him from the crows- the only life he'd ever thought he'd have. But yet he doesn't believe (or doesn't want to believe) in love and faces an inner turmoil because of it that I find compelling. Finally he does give into it. I guess I'm saying that the romance just seems more real to me than other Bioware romances because there is a lot more to it than "he fell in love with you". There's struggle and redemption.

Finally, I think his lines as you go to face the archdemon are the most romantic thing in the game. If you take him with you he will say "By your side I would willing storm the gates of the dark city. Do not doubt it."

[AndreaDraco]

@ Namirsolo: wonderfully said! And yes, that final sentence was worth more than anything (even more than the earring, at least the first time!)



PS: We should open a group for us Zevranites.

[Tamyn]

There is an Alistair and Zevran fanclub already, unless you want a Zevran-exclusive group.

[Vajarra]

AndreaDraco wrote...

To me he never was a rebound. Alistair can be a good friend, a great one at that, but I see no sexual or romantic appeal to him, while Zevran's story is both rich and deep and the character instantly clicked with me.

Yeah, my Dwarf commoner thinks (rightfully) that Alistair's an idiot. She finds something she relates to in Zevran though. Still wish there was a better option for Dwarf characters... those cutscenes are awkward.

[MorningBird]

AndreaDraco wrote...

@ Namirsolo: wonderfully said! And yes, that final sentence was worth more than anything (even more than the earring, at least the first time!)

PS: We should open a group for us Zevranites.

Completely agree to both the former and the latter.

Nice post, Namirsolo.

[bobsmyuncle]

Seagloom wrote...

Zevran's commentary can be so crass it crosses the divide from shameless and sleazy to funny. Something only him and Oghren manage to accomplish with any frequency. I have to admit Zevran is wholly unappealing to me as romance material. I intend to play out his story eventually to see what all the fuss is about, but my natural inclination is avoidance. At best, he is someone you have a meaningless fling with. I would find it very hard to commit to a man that flirts with everyone else in sight; regardless of his true feelings.

Zevran's humor is what gets me to spare him every time. Going strictly by romantic potential, however, I would never see any, and it is only through metagaming I know there is more to him than that.

This is pretty similar to my take. I find Zevran completely hilarious due to a shared love of dirty jokes (and embarrassing Alistair). I wouldn't sleep with him, though, because I'm not interested in NSA or FWB relationships, which is where you have to start out with him.

I think Zevran wins out over Alistair with some ladies because, by the end of the respective relationships, Zevran will always put the PC first while Alistair can walk away from her in a couple of circumstances. I know Alistair's "duty > love" attitude occasionally makes me consider Team Zev.

[Namirsolo]

This is pretty similar to my take. I find Zevran completely hilarious
due to a shared love of dirty jokes (and embarrassing Alistair).
I wouldn't sleep with him, though, because I'm not interested in NSA or
FWB relationships, which is where you have to start out with him.

Although he says this is the case, it's never really true for him. It's clear from his later dialogue that he has been falling in love with the pc the entire time and  just is not willing to admit it.

I have spent way too long thinking about this! lol, but thanks for the positive feedback.

[Rhinna]

As a woman, I didn't like Zev at first playthrough...his accent was annoying - a bad Antonio Banderas...Alastair's voice was sooo sexy (then again, I love the actor that voices him) The second playthrough, I had an elf rogue with a devil may care attitude - and Zev quickly grew on her...erm...you know what I mean.



Women as much as men enjoy a challenge. For all appearances, bedding Zev is a snap, but winning his heart is a challenge, and women want that emotional attachment (most of the time). Zev makes them work for it, and the end reward is worth the effort.



I find his banter hilarious, and when one of my PCs has a relationship with him, some of the compliments he gives in his dialogue with other group members show you his true feelings towards you. IRL? no...but in a game? yeah, he's a blast :-)



That kind of sly devilish grin is cute, and some of his responses "Arrrr! Pirate Zevran reporting for duty!!! Prepare to be boarded!!!" Come on...how can you NOT like that? :-D

[bobsmyuncle]

SweetiePea wrote...

As for Oghren, I wish it was possible to romance him if you play a female dwarf. He is utterly and completely crass, but he also has a heart of gold behind that rough exterior. I was utterly touched when my female PC chose the ultimate sacrifice ending and the epilogue noted that Oghren had a daughter, wept at her birth, and named her after my PC.

I guess Oghren could be appealing if your idea of great sex is him throwing up and passing out on you.

Although I do have to say I am terribly disappointed that there was not the possibility of one single "mustache ride" joke to be made when he gets drunk in camp.

[bobsmyuncle]

Namirsolo wrote...

This is pretty similar to my take. I find Zevran completely hilarious
due to a shared love of dirty jokes (and embarrassing Alistair).
I wouldn't sleep with him, though, because I'm not interested in NSA or
FWB relationships, which is where you have to start out with him.

Although he says this is the case, it's never really true for him. It's clear from his later dialogue that he has been falling in love with the pc the entire time and  just is not willing to admit it.

I have spent way too long thinking about this! lol, but thanks for the positive feedback.

It's possible, but he acts as if it's just about the sex which makes me unwilling to go there. It's also quite probable that I'm bringing RL experiences to my reading of his character. Saying you're okay with a no strings relationship when you secretly want more is a recipe for a homemade drama bomb IME.

Actually, in my first game I started his romance accidentally because I picked flirty answers with him thinking they were jokes. I mean, all his lines about Wynne's magical bosom and how her cynicism drives him wild, and trying to get into Morrigan's pants and then turning to Alistair for a gold sovereign when she relents all had me not really taking him seriously. I mean, my reaction to his "deadly sex goddess" line was laughter and thinking how to get him back for it, not to go weak in the knees.

But obviously our reactions to characters are subjective. You think he's a catch, I think he's a hilarious drinking buddy, other people want to leave him dead in the road. I'm not sure a character's "vibe" can be nailed down easily, because people can be so varied and our reactions to each other are just as complicated. Any character will remind us of someone or something and we perceive him or her accordingly.

[ejoslin]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Poor Zev.
Almost always destined to be the rebound guy.

Only in my first play through.  Now he's the only one for me.  Haha, I did several play throughs getting revenge on Alistair, making him lose his viriginity to Morrigan, making my PC queen though she will never have sex with him and tells him she's going to try to get pregnant by someone else then riding off into the sunset with Zevran, romancing him and then sacrificing myself after making Anora queen, saving Loghain.

Wow, back in the years when I dated, I never had such opportunities to get revenge on an ex boyfriend.  I actually had a lot of fun with that.  Now I'm on playthrough 8 or 9, romancing both Zev and Alistair, but I know who's going to get dumped again.  What isn't known is if he's yet again going to lose his virginity to Morrigan.

Wow, that sounds weird, obsessed, and nerdy even to me!  But I am talking in jest (mainly)!

[ejoslin]

Namirsolo wrote...

This is pretty similar to my take. I find Zevran completely hilarious
due to a shared love of dirty jokes (and embarrassing Alistair).
I wouldn't sleep with him, though, because I'm not interested in NSA or
FWB relationships, which is where you have to start out with him.

Although he says this is the case, it's never really true for him. It's clear from his later dialogue that he has been falling in love with the pc the entire time and  just is not willing to admit it.

I have spent way too long thinking about this! lol, but thanks for the positive feedback.

I just wanted to add that, as I'm sure you know, I agree with you on all this.  The Alistair romance, while heart warming, feels a lot like a school boy crush where the Zevran romance feels like something that would happen with two adults seeing each other for what they are, and loving them.

Also, there were a few times where the contrast between the way Zevran acted and the way Alistair acted when romanced that reinforces my feelings.  City elf in the alienage for one, where when they hear the PC had a wedding, Zevran looks heartbroken, Alistair indginant.  Also, when you leave them at the gates -- Alistair ****es a bit and calls her stubborn, though if in love will tell her he loves her.  Zevran, on the other hand, looks so sad, I only almost left him once, and he gives almost the same line, but adds the words, (To be by) Your side, I'd willingly storm . . .  and looked so sad that I reloaded and took him with me.

[ReubenLiew]

Hell hath no fury indeed like that of a woman's love scorned...

[Taleroth]

I do think he's too creepy. It's not really valid to point out lots of other guys are exactly as creepy. I don't find any romantic appeal in them, either. But that can also be due to other things they share in common with Zevran.

[ejoslin]

ReubenLiew wrote...


Hell hath no fury indeed like that of a woman's love scorned...

I hope my husband doesn't start to read this forum.  I think he'd get VERY worried about me . . .

[ReubenLiew]

Well we can only deduce 2 outcomes if he DOES start reading.

Either he keeps on being your husband out of fear, or stops breathing.

[ejoslin]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Well we can only deduce 2 outcomes if he DOES start reading.
Either he keeps on being your husband out of fear, or stops breathing.

Third option . . . he hides my computer!  He doesn't scare easily!

Modifié par ejoslin, 30 décembre 2009 - 02:06 .

[Herr Uhl]

ejoslin wrote...
Third option . . . he hides my computer!

That is filed under stops breathing.

[ejoslin]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Third option . . . he hides my computer!

That is filed under stops breathing.

He's 7 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier . . . Though he does sleep some time . . . Hahaha, just kidding.  We've been married many, many years (married young and stayed that way) and I've always been a girl geek.  I think that was part of my appeal 

[Taleroth]

ejoslin wrote...

Third option . . . he hides my computer! 

He's a monster!

[ReubenLiew]

You call yourself a girl geek and claim you won't kill a man for hiding your computer?

There's a lie in there somewhere and we aims to finds it!

[ejoslin]

ReubenLiew wrote...

You call yourself a girl geek and claim you won't kill a man for hiding your computer?
There's a lie in there somewhere and we aims to finds it!

To quote someone somewhere . . . "Point taken . . . "    

[MEUTRIERE]

TelvanniWarlord wrote...

I guess it's appealing to win the heart of a cold blooded assassin who's never loved anyone in his entire life.

To me, it's this.  Personally, I prefer Alistair, but it's the feeling that to Zevran, the PC is more than just another fling.  He sees something there beyond sexytime, that he hasn't seen in another wo/man (unless you want to count Rinna, of course).  Just in my opinion.