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[ejoslin]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Boo! I think he's the least screwed up of all the companions, though he has the most reason to be totally messed up. classic example of, "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.'  Definitely rose to the top when living in a survival-of-the-fittest world.

You only like him because Oghren dissed your advances, admit it!

Poor Zev, only being a rebound.

Bleh, Gorim dumped me this playthrough  I understand male dwarf nobles get to compare notes!  I think this also belongs in the misogyny thread <_<

Edit: Oh, the misogyny thread was locked.  Too bad, that had serious comic potential. 

Zevran . . . best rebound ever~

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 janvier 2010 - 01:45 .

[Herr Uhl]

ejoslin wrote...
Bleh, Gorim dumped me this playthrough  I understand male dwarf nobles get to compare notes!  I think this also belongs in the misogyny thread <_<

The most awesome bro-moment in the game. *remembers*

But this pic pretty much sums up Oghren: fc09.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/323/a/6/OGHREN___SEX_GOD_by_lubyelfears.jpg

[Urazz]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

Namirsolo wrote...

This is pretty similar to my take. I find Zevran completely hilarious
due to a shared love of dirty jokes (and embarrassing Alistair).
I wouldn't sleep with him, though, because I'm not interested in NSA or
FWB relationships, which is where you have to start out with him.

Although he says this is the case, it's never really true for him. It's clear from his later dialogue that he has been falling in love with the pc the entire time and  just is not willing to admit it.

I have spent way too long thinking about this! lol, but thanks for the positive feedback.

It's possible, but he acts as if it's just about the sex which makes me unwilling to go there. It's also quite probable that I'm bringing RL experiences to my reading of his character. Saying you're okay with a no strings relationship when you secretly want more is a recipe for a homemade drama bomb IME.

Actually, in my first game I started his romance accidentally because I picked flirty answers with him thinking they were jokes. I mean, all his lines about Wynne's magical bosom and how her cynicism drives him wild, and trying to get into Morrigan's pants and then turning to Alistair for a gold sovereign when she relents all had me not really taking him seriously. I mean, my reaction to his "deadly sex goddess" line was laughter and thinking how to get him back for it, not to go weak in the knees.

But obviously our reactions to characters are subjective. You think he's a catch, I think he's a hilarious drinking buddy, other people want to leave him dead in the road. I'm not sure a character's "vibe" can be nailed down easily, because people can be so varied and our reactions to each other are just as complicated. Any character will remind us of someone or something and we perceive him or her accordingly.

As a straight guy, I found Zevhran to be the hilarious drinking buddy and did find out about his past and stuff.  Of course, I did turn him down when he actually started to get serious in pursuing my male character who was in a relationship with Morrigan at the time.  Needless to say once I found out you can have the characters have conversations with each other at passing in certain spots, I would change my party at times just to go back to the area and get different character conversations for laughs.

Needless to say, one of my favorites was of Zevhran actually getting Morrigan to succumb to his charms somewhat and then turning to Alistar for money.  That or Morrigan's conversations with the dog.  Needless to say I found it hilarious that the mabari won over Morrigan eventually (in 'secret' of course. lol).

[ejoslin]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Bleh, Gorim dumped me this playthrough  I understand male dwarf nobles get to compare notes!  I think this also belongs in the misogyny thread <_<

The most awesome bro-moment in the game. *remembers*

But this pic pretty much sums up Oghren: fc09.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/323/a/6/OGHREN___SEX_GOD_by_lubyelfears.jpg

Dwarf men, so ****g hot, but SO elusive!

[Sabriana]

That's what actually endeared me a little to Morrigan. I couldn't stand her in the beginning, but she changes and grows quite a bit. Especially toward my dog. I laughed long and hard when I realized she finally succumbed to my dog's charm.

My PC loses a lot of 'approval' with Morrigan in the beginning, but at the end we're at between 80 and 90. Every time, even though my PC is not even trying.

As far as Oghren goes, he warms up to my PC quickly as does Shale. I just can't be mean to either, it makes me feel rotten and dirty. I just can't.

I'd like to ask again: Do you have to do the Redcliffe quest arch specifically to get Zevran, or will any other quest do.
For example, can I do Orzammar and will Howe hire the crows when I'm done with it? Seeing how my PC scares of a Loghain minion at the Orzammar gates, I think it should be possible. Anyone know? And if anyone does, would you care to tell me? Please?

Modifié par Sabriana, 09 janvier 2010 - 02:32 .

[Jayelet]

Sabriana wrote...

That's what actually endeared me a little to Morrigan. I couldn't stand her in the beginning, but she changes and grows quite a bit. Especially toward my dog. I laughed long and hard when I realized she finally succumbed to my dog's charm.

My PC loses a lot of 'approval' with Morrigan in the beginning, but at the end we're at between 80 and 90. Every time, even though my PC is not even trying.

As far as Oghren goes, he warms up to my PC quickly as does Shale. I just can't be mean to either, it makes me feel rotten and dirty. I just can't.

I'd like to ask again: Do you have to do the Redcliffe quest arch specifically to get Zevran, or will any other quest do.
For example, can I do Orzammar and will Howe hire the crows when I'm done with it? Seeing how my PC scares of a Loghain minion at the Orzammar gates, I think it should be possible. Anyone know? And if anyone does, would you care to tell me? Please?

If you Orzammar, at the end of the entire search, Zevran out, so consegui take me to the circle of sorcerers

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

That's what actually endeared me a little to Morrigan. I couldn't stand her in the beginning, but she changes and grows quite a bit. Especially toward my dog. I laughed long and hard when I realized she finally succumbed to my dog's charm.

My PC loses a lot of 'approval' with Morrigan in the beginning, but at the end we're at between 80 and 90. Every time, even though my PC is not even trying.

As far as Oghren goes, he warms up to my PC quickly as does Shale. I just can't be mean to either, it makes me feel rotten and dirty. I just can't.

I'd like to ask again: Do you have to do the Redcliffe quest arch specifically to get Zevran, or will any other quest do.
For example, can I do Orzammar and will Howe hire the crows when I'm done with it? Seeing how my PC scares of a Loghain minion at the Orzammar gates, I think it should be possible. Anyone know? And if anyone does, would you care to tell me? Please?

Oh, any quest will do. But I like having Zevran in Orzammar. 

Edit: Major plot line quest that is, including Urn of the Sacred ashes.

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 janvier 2010 - 03:46 .

[Sylph_14]

Thats the hardest thing for me to decide on a new game. What area I have to do first and miss doing with Zevran :[

[ejoslin]

Sylph_14 wrote...

Thats the hardest thing for me to decide on a new game. What area I have to do first and miss doing with Zevran :[

Hehe, Orzammar is a "must have."  I normally do the circle tower without him, seeing him on the rack is, ugh.  I think my next play through it will be Redcliff, and I'll destroy it rather than save it.  Alistair is going to completely hate my character in my next play through.  I hope I'll be able to feed him to the archdemon anyway . . .

[jenovan]

I can confirm -- you can do the Urn of Sacred Ashes by itself, before starting Redcliffe, to get Zev to jump you (*cough* ).  Now that I'm starting over on PC, tho, I think I'm going to do Redcliffe first (the Tower takes me a while!), because I'd like to hear the Guardian's questions to Zevran    And playing in-character, my PC would probably listen to Alistair and try Redcliffe first, anyway.  Oh, these tough choices...


Although, speaking of taking Zevran places, I laughed out loud when he was with my PC when they first went up to the mill at Redcliffe.  "Anyone up for some naked cliff-diving?  No?"

[KariTR]

Sylph_14 wrote...

Thats the hardest thing for me to decide on a new game. What area I have to do first and miss doing with Zevran :[

[thanks to Inzhuna for the info] If you dont mind killing Connor/sacrificing Isolde, then you dont have to complete any of the 4 main quests to get Zevran. Once you have dealt with Connor and take to the road again, you will get the cutscene in Denirim Castle with Howe introducing Zevran to Loghain. If your next encounter is not The Long Road, just keep travelling until it comes up.

If youve never freed Connor except by going to the Mages Circle, brace yourself for a traumatic decision. Even though I knew more or less how it played out, I couldnt believe how hard Isolde can make it for you and your PC to go through with.

But I have Zevran now...yaay. Though I just read the rack comment of ejoslin's and wonder if all my effort to get him before the circle was worth it *sticks fingers in ears* "I'm not listening. Lalala"

[ejoslin]

KariTR wrote...

Sylph_14 wrote...

Thats the hardest thing for me to decide on a new game. What area I have to do first and miss doing with Zevran :[

[thanks to Inzhuna for the info] If you dont mind killing Connor/sacrificing Isolde, then you dont have to complete any of the 4 main quests to get Zevran. Once you have dealt with Connor and take to the road again, you will get the cutscene in Denirim Castle with Howe introducing Zevran to Loghain. If your next encounter is not The Long Road, just keep travelling until it comes up.

If youve never freed Connor except by going to the Mages Circle, brace yourself for a traumatic decision. Even though I knew more or less how it played out, I couldnt believe how hard Isolde can make it for you and your PC to go through with.

But I have Zevran now...yaay. Though I just read the rack comment of ejoslin's and wonder if all my effort to get him before the circle was worth it *sticks fingers in ears* "I'm not listening. Lalala"

It's worth it.  Between his dream and what he says his dream is to the rest of the party gives one of the best insights into his character that you can get -- and puts his flirting with everyone into the proper perspective.  It's definitely a way of deflection and distancing.

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 janvier 2010 - 05:13 .

[KariTR]

Yeah, I was only kidding. I can't wait to get to that point, just having a little break after the whole Connor trauma, then we will be marching onto the Circle.

[cutieyum]

ejoslin wrote...

Zevran had ZERO sympathy towards my dwarf noble's dillhema in Orzammar.  I had to do some seriously mind wrapping to put Bhelen on the throne, but I was able to justify it (but only because I know the outcomes).

I justified putting Bhelen on the throne because, if you are his sister, he is blood, and he plays the "only game that matters" much better than anyone in the family, plus his values align with mine. 'Nice' is not good enough to rule the Dwarfs, who are a dying race, without strong connections to the surface, and an outmoded caste system that is suffocating any innovation, population growth and military power.

So Bhelen, my brother, you may rule. Plus, who knows, the PC may come back to Ozammar.

[cutieyum]

Sabriana wrote...
The first rift came when my mage decided to allow Isolde to atone for her crimes by sacrificing herself for her child. She did this for several reasons:
a) Isolde's actions set the whole horror in motion
Isolde acted without keeping her people in mind. She's not an average wife/mother, she's the arlessa
c) I have the habit of letting my PCs talk and listen to just about everyone, at least on first play-through. She felt so very bad for all the people in Redcliffe who lost loved ones, and who where so very terrified. she was impressed that they took up arms to fight for their village nevertheless. That more or less showed my mage the full horror of what had befallen the village.
d) Isolde lied over and over again to Teagan and to my mage in order to hide her crimes (hiding a mage, and hiring an apostate), and her son's affliction

Arrgghh... Dealing with the Arlessa was so incredibly frustrating!! I wanted to do her in myself! This woman is a mass murderess, imho. Her 'inactions' and lies cause a great suffering to incountable number of villagers, servants and soldiers. The castle's population is wiped, the village almost annhialated. How was it possible for Arl Eamon to regain the trust of his villagers afterwards? How could the people ever look at the castle again without horror and anger? I had pictured the suvivors asking for the head of Connor and the Arlessa after Redcliff was saved. The Arlessa has a good PR spin-team to escape the ill-will of the people who allow her to live in luxury.

Sorry to digress from the main topic...

Zevran is probably the best-lay, faithful and critical thinker of the romance options. Nothing sexier than a methodic lover.

Modifié par cutieyum, 09 janvier 2010 - 06:50 .

[ejoslin]

cutieyum wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Zevran had ZERO sympathy towards my dwarf noble's dillhema in Orzammar.  I had to do some seriously mind wrapping to put Bhelen on the throne, but I was able to justify it (but only because I know the outcomes).

I justified putting Bhelen on the throne because, if you are his sister, he is blood, and he plays the "only game that matters" much better than anyone in the family, plus his values align with mine. 'Nice' is not good enough to rule the Dwarfs, who are a dying race, without strong connections to the surface, and an outmoded caste system that is suffocating any innovation, population growth and military power.

So Bhelen, my brother, you may rule. Plus, who knows, the PC may come back to Ozammar.

Yep, my thought was that Harrowmont, though he felt a great injustice was being done to me, could not sway the assembly when Bhelen could. I needed someone who could lead the assembly and get me my troops, not someone who would ask and hope for results.  That's what I ended up telling Bhelen since obviously he was surprised.  But more than that, I respected for Bhelen for playing the game well, as much as it rankled. Dwarven politics are vicious; I knew that already, and I knew it was nothing personal.

But when I first selected the dialog, "I will not let my brother get away with what he did," or something like that, Zevran was all like, "meh."  Cracked me up.  So I reloaded and did it the Bhelen way.  I ultimately wanted what's best for Orzammar.  It turned out for the best, anyway. 

[ejoslin]

cutieyum wrote...

Sabriana wrote...
The first rift came when my mage decided to allow Isolde to atone for her crimes by sacrificing herself for her child. She did this for several reasons:
a) Isolde's actions set the whole horror in motion
Isolde acted without keeping her people in mind. She's not an average wife/mother, she's the arlessa
c) I have the habit of letting my PCs talk and listen to just about everyone, at least on first play-through. She felt so very bad for all the people in Redcliffe who lost loved ones, and who where so very terrified. she was impressed that they took up arms to fight for their village nevertheless. That more or less showed my mage the full horror of what had befallen the village.
d) Isolde lied over and over again to Teagan and to my mage in order to hide her crimes (hiding a mage, and hiring an apostate), and her son's affliction

Arrgghh... Dealing with the Arlessa was so incredibly frustrating!! I wanted to do her in myself! This woman is a mass murderess, imho. Her 'inactions' and lies cause a great suffering to incountable number of villagers, servants and soldiers. The castle's population is wiped, the village almost annhialated. How was it possible for Arl Eamon to regain the trust of his villagers afterwards? How could the people ever look at the castle again without horror and anger? I had pictured the suvivors asking for the head of Connor and the Arlessa after Redcliff was saved. The Arlessa has a good PR spin-team to escape the ill-will of the people who allow her to live in luxury.

Sorry to digress from the main topic...

Zevran is probably the best-lay, faithful and critical thinker of the romance options. Nothing sexier than a methodic lover.

Agree completely with your assessment.  And regarding best lay . . . Well, when Wynne is all disapproving, with Ali she's concerned about his inexperience.  With Zevran, she complains of the noise.  Nuff said.

[cutieyum]

CBGB wrote...
I'm a writer, and I've misread him. I missed an appeal Zevran must have, and I'd like to understand it better. What makes him click with you, if he does?

Zevran is respectul, understands no, charming not vulgar, and my current PC wants to have good sex without drama or complications. Unlike, my previous Dalish ingenue, she a mature woman not looking for prince charmings and adolenscent romance drama (Alistair).

What is surprising about Zevran is the romance, hard-earned wisdom and strength of his faith for the PC. No need to parent him, he is adult who has travelled many roads and met many people, the PC is not his first, but she is in his now. I like that about Zevran's character, he lives in the now, not dwelling on his horrific past, but negotiating his current situation. For him, life can be cut short without fanfare or warning, and so he is a bit emotionally guarded and not waiting for the perfect impossible future. He wants the PC, and heck my character needed some relaxation about hacking 150 darkspawn. Zevran is not a HS teen who will txt his buddies about his conquest of the PC. He is an adult who looks for others to adults to play in (with) his tent at night.

Also a relationship with Zevran or Leliana seems to offer more parity than Alistair or Morrigan, who have not been around the block (emotionally and/or physically) and are learning to negotiate the streets of their hearts for the first time and seem to hope that their relationships could develop in the perfect situation, therefore they both may sabotage their relationships with the PC.

[cutieyum]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

In my opinion and with all honesty. No, I personally don't.
Sure, I might flirt and all. But deep inside, I would be disgusted. And I wouldn't treat her with respect at all.
But depends on how "loose" she is. If it's only talking kind of "loose", then that's ok. If it's physical, then no, I would feel disgust. Zevran type female would be the latter category.

@KnightofPhoenix, et al:

A male friend frequently wears a white T-shirt over his hot bod that reads,

"I am a sl*t, and NO, I will not sleep with you"

Modifié par cutieyum, 09 janvier 2010 - 07:46 .

[Rhinna]

cutieyum wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Zevran had ZERO sympathy towards my dwarf noble's dillhema in Orzammar.  I had to do some seriously mind wrapping to put Bhelen on the throne, but I was able to justify it (but only because I know the outcomes).

I justified putting Bhelen on the throne because, if you are his sister, he is blood, and he plays the "only game that matters" much better than anyone in the family, plus his values align with mine. 'Nice' is not good enough to rule the Dwarfs, who are a dying race, without strong connections to the surface, and an outmoded caste system that is suffocating any innovation, population growth and military power.

So Bhelen, my brother, you may rule. Plus, who knows, the PC may come back to Ozammar.

That's very interesting, because with my elf PC in Orzammar with Zevran, he advises me that Harrowmont is weak, and he should not be ruling the dwarves.  I then had no problems putting Bhelen on the throne.

[ejoslin]

Rhinna wrote...

cutieyum wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Zevran had ZERO sympathy towards my dwarf noble's dillhema in Orzammar.  I had to do some seriously mind wrapping to put Bhelen on the throne, but I was able to justify it (but only because I know the outcomes).

I justified putting Bhelen on the throne because, if you are his sister, he is blood, and he plays the "only game that matters" much better than anyone in the family, plus his values align with mine. 'Nice' is not good enough to rule the Dwarfs, who are a dying race, without strong connections to the surface, and an outmoded caste system that is suffocating any innovation, population growth and military power.

So Bhelen, my brother, you may rule. Plus, who knows, the PC may come back to Ozammar.

That's very interesting, because with my elf PC in Orzammar with Zevran, he advises me that Harrowmont is weak, and he should not be ruling the dwarves.  I then had no problems putting Bhelen on the throne.

The difference is the perspective.  Dwarf noble has an extremely different perspective on the Orzammar politics than a city elf would -- in your origin you are personally involved with the unrest.  I suggest playing it as it is a very powerful origin.  Besides, Zevran's kiss to the dwarf is about 1000x better than his kiss to the elf, which makes it worth it. 

So for a dwarven noble, even with Zevran speaking on Bhelen's behalf, it's not so easy a choice.

Edit:  cut out the Dwarf noble origin spoiler.

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 janvier 2010 - 09:04 .

[Gilsa]

ejoslin wrote...

Hehe, Orzammar is a "must have."  I normally do the circle tower without him, seeing him on the rack is, ugh.  I think my next play through it will be Redcliff, and I'll destroy it rather than save it.  Alistair is going to completely hate my character in my next play through.  I hope I'll be able to feed him to the archdemon anyway . . .

Just curious, since you generally don't like taking Zev with you to circle tower, did you ever have him in your party on a mage playthrough, especially if your character has hit on Cullen in the origin? Zev has some interesting dialogue when your mage runs into Cullen again. You probably already knew about it, but just making sure you didn't miss it either.

[ejoslin]

Gilsa wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hehe, Orzammar is a "must have."  I normally do the circle tower without him, seeing him on the rack is, ugh.  I think my next play through it will be Redcliff, and I'll destroy it rather than save it.  Alistair is going to completely hate my character in my next play through.  I hope I'll be able to feed him to the archdemon anyway . . .

Just curious, since you generally don't like taking Zev with you to circle tower, did you ever have him in your party on a mage playthrough, especially if your character has hit on Cullen in the origin? Zev has some interesting dialogue when your mage runs into Cullen again. You probably already knew about it, but just making sure you didn't miss it either.

Yes I have.  He had comments about her being a seductress as a apprentice IIRC.  I actually don't mind taking him to the mage circle, but I can knock that out in a fairly short time, so I usually head there first for that reason.  As I said before, I think both his dream and then what he tells the party his dream was gives you one of the best insights into his character and shows how he uses sex and flirting as a way to cover a lot of what is really going on with him.  Or maybe i'm reading too much into that.

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 janvier 2010 - 11:58 .

[Sylph_14]

You're making me want to play with my mage =D So.... whats the fastest way to get Zev in your group again?

[Truby-Liz]

Juuuuuust want to say, you guys have made a thread so awesome, it's changed my opinion of Alistair and Zevran so much so that, whilst initially I had a pretty serious pixel crush on Al and kinda wanted to stay away from Zevran *wouldn't touch him with a bargepole, etc*, I am now practically throwing myself at Zevvie and would rather not even know Alistair. *It may not have helped that just yesterday, Alistair dumped me after becoming king, even though I hardened his personality etc. Now I have the hard job of deciding whether to torture him or be nice etc. But Zevran was there for me so I'm happy at least*



Truby-Liz