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[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Oho, I wonder what would happen if Alistair gets his mistress pregnant (mage, elf or dwarf) but not his wife. I know it would be a long shot, but it could happen.
I also think it's far more likely that Zevran can create a child with the Queen than Alistair. But that would not be a problem, because I don't think anyone would dare question the kids paternity. Just whispers and gossip about why the prince, although human, looks so much like a certain elf.

I don't think it would be a problem either, actually.  I mean, I do see Elissa and Zevran as a pretty obvious couple (why should that change, right), any children would be raised in Gwaren and most likely be acknowledged by Alistair as that was pretty much agreed to at the start.  My last HNF she did not marry Alistair (Alistair let her know he hadn't taken THAT many blows to the head -- he really hated her) but it didn't feel right not having a Cousland on the throne.

[Sabriana]

I can loan you one of my Couslands. None have any ambitions to the throne. My bestest girl ever is Teyrna of Gwaren, and Zevran is her consort. It couldn't have been done any other way, and Zevran really doesn't mind, as long as he can be by her side (trying for little Arainai-Couslands).

I just pretend that Alistair has calmed down, sees her and Riordan's pov, and feels ashamed that he didn't help fighting. Anyway, Alissande more or less asked him to help the elves. Being the good guy he is, he named Shianni Bann of the alienages, and that in turn, opened the way for Zevran being allowed as consort to the Teyrna.

The nobles consoled themselves that any offspring would be human anyway. Although in my head, his son/daughter will look a lot like him. Even her/his ears will not be perfectly rounded. Not pointy enough to raise eyebrows, but still....

[Minaleth]

Sabriana wrote...
Oho, I wonder what would happen if Alistair gets his mistress pregnant (mage, elf or dwarf) but not his wife. I know it would be a long shot, but it could happen.
I also think it's far more likely that Zevran can create a child with the Queen than Alistair. But that would not be a problem, because I don't think anyone would dare question the kids paternity. Just whispers and gossip about why the prince, although human, looks so much like a certain elf.

This is very amusing scenario. 

Btw I didn't mean that city elf can't have happy ending. Just what if s/he is REALLY angry at humans to the point she takes that on every human including the one she's got as companions. I imagine s/he should be much more mean than the dialogue lines allow. And romancing Alistair would take much more talking in that case (e.g. discussing this). I am just raising mu doubts that the game includes this.

[Sabriana]

I can only go by Shianni, Minaleth, I haven't played the CE yet. Shianni is also a true victim of human males, but she seems to have worked it out far enough to be at least civil after her first lash-out. It may be different because my HN and my mage are female, I'm not sure.

But true enough, Alistair needs a lot of mothering, and I kind of see how that would go down with a CE. Heck, even my HN were outraged by his "I forgot", and they had nothing against him, neither him being male or human.

I wonder if the lines for CE/Alistair are different. Interesting question.

[ejoslin]

Minaleth wrote...

Sabriana wrote...
Oho, I wonder what would happen if Alistair gets his mistress pregnant (mage, elf or dwarf) but not his wife. I know it would be a long shot, but it could happen.
I also think it's far more likely that Zevran can create a child with the Queen than Alistair. But that would not be a problem, because I don't think anyone would dare question the kids paternity. Just whispers and gossip about why the prince, although human, looks so much like a certain elf.

This is very amusing scenario. 

Btw I didn't mean that city elf can't have happy ending. Just what if s/he is REALLY angry at humans to the point she takes that on every human including the one she's got as companions. I imagine s/he should be much more mean than the dialogue lines allow. And romancing Alistair would take much more talking in that case (e.g. discussing this). I am just raising mu doubts that the game includes this.

Oh, I've played a City Elf that way, but ummmm, romancing Alistair was NOT an option.  He hated her by the time they left Lothering.  Actually, it was a very sad playthrough.  Alistair hated her, she hated him, but they were stuck together.  She ended up, oddly enough, with Leliana -- who was forced to rethink how she viewed elves, and my CE respected her for that.  Unfortunately, THAT ended badly as well (very badly -- there is an instance where Leliana will try to kill the warden, and that happened).  She also lost Wynne.  Zevran ended up with someone more broken than he was by the time that romance started!

There are a lot of mean dialogs out there, but you're right, they're not race specific.  I think because any character can have a LOT of anger.  I actually had hoped when my CE told Alistair that her fiance had just died, he would have something sympathetic to say, or maybe be a little less harsh with her.  Nope!

[jenovan]

G'morning lovelies XD (And welcome, Minaleth! )

Man... someone mentioned late last night that Loghain looked terrified during the Dark Ritual... I tried it with my CEM last night, and he also looked terrified.   I imagine (pessimistically) that it plays out the same way for any PC, but... he kept trying to back away from her, it was actually really well choreographed ^^;; Poor boy.  If that was my canon decision, I'd say, I hope Zevran appreciates it.    (He would, I know, I know.  )   Honestly makes me a little sad that I don't have another character (...yet) whose taking the Ritual would be that meaningful.


Hee, I also replayed the Landsmeet and had Zevran duel Loghain again.  I had a much better handle on his fighting this time, and it was, as Cailan would say, glorious. ;D  (And PC, I think, kept shouting "Wonderful!" in the background every time Zevran got in a good hit... rofl...)

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

It's funny with Anora telling a city elf how she's ruled for the past five years, not realizing (or not caring) how horrible things have been in the alienage for that time (and longer).

Exactly!  I thought that on my elf mage playthrough this time, too.  Elf mage lifted an eyebrow at Anora's boasting and thought, "this is supposed to be an advertisement?"  For as savvy as Anora is, she doesn't seem to realize that she might do better to say "Look at what a mess Cailan has made of everything!  Now it's my turn, I can do better!"  That might actually have worked.

Heh, my mage is too naive to realize what a snake Anora is and told her straight up that she won't support her at the LM.  I haven't played a LM free-for-all in a while and I'm looking forward to exploding fireballs in the middle of the uppercrust of Ferelden.

One thing that bothers me about my HNFs . . . this is pure metagaming. As bad as the alienage in Denerim is, the one in Highever must have been as bad as Nelaros was moving from Highever to Denerim. And it's not like she objects to Nan threatening to beat the kitchen elves. AND she tells Iona how attractive she finds elves. Heh, her falling in love with Zevran is such a complete change for her as well.

Gah, need to finish my city elf . . . Then I'll play another HNF with that thought in mind. *grin*

Iona tells you that the Couslands were known for being good to their elven servants, but "good" could well be a relative term.  My current character I am playing as the child of elven servants in Highever Castle and a playmate of Elissa Cousland, so I don't picture her childhood as being too bad up to the point that she was molested.  But life is harsh for elves everywhere, that's just a fact of Thedas life.  For my Aedan character, I did feel badly having him sleep with Iona.  It made him like every other sexually harrassing nobleman in Thedas.  Of course, he did it anyway.

This is actually an issue I have with romancing Zevran.  My HNF character came close to sleeping with him, but besides the fact that she's taller than him and that bothers me a little , it feels a bit like sexual harrassment.  Not that Zev would mind being sexually harrassed!  LOL  Maybe I'm boring, but compatibility seems an issue in how I play these romances- it feels more natural for my elves to be with Zevran and my humans to be with Alistair.

[Sabriana]

The height difference never bothers me. It's really not that much, but I'm used to it. My Mom is taller than my Dad. Her one big complaint in life is that she never got to wear high heels, lol.

As for harassment, I don't see it that way because my PC usually waits for his invitation. She even asks about the meaning of 'this', and when he wonders if it can go further, she tells him that she leaves that up to him. So it's his call from beginning to end.

Hmmm, I wonder how an elf would feel regarding a romance with Lel/Ali? Especially a male elf romancing Lel? What a lot of questions you people put in my head. And on a friday evening, even. For shame.

Modifié par Sabriana, 05 mars 2010 - 04:32 .

[Minaleth]

Addai67 wrote...
This is actually an issue I have with romancing Zevran.  My HNF character came close to sleeping with him, but besides the fact that she's taller than him and that bothers me a little , it feels a bit like sexual harrassment.  Not that Zev would mind being sexually harrassed!  LOL  Maybe I'm boring, but compatibility seems an issue in how I play these romances- it feels more natural for my elves to be with Zevran and my humans to be with Alistair.

This. I would appreciate if in case of HN/Zev and CE/Alistair there were some race specific dialogues addressing their relationship a possible problem due to race. It would be nice touch and could help to roleplay more extreme PC.

[ejoslin]

The height difference doesn't bother me either, actually. It's funny, too, because I'm tall, but my husband is quite a bit taller -- but in a game, it just doesn't bug me. Elves are just shorter. She's smaller than he is as well -- arms, shoulders, etc. And I agree with Sabriana, Zevran DOES set the pace of the romance (though he'd probably prefer it if she went faster).



My CE, the really sad one, ended up respecting Leliana for acknowledging her views on elves (which all humans do have) and realizing how messed up they were. That's the only one I did the Leliana romance on, deliberately.

[ejoslin]

Minaleth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
This is actually an issue I have with romancing Zevran.  My HNF character came close to sleeping with him, but besides the fact that she's taller than him and that bothers me a little , it feels a bit like sexual harrassment.  Not that Zev would mind being sexually harrassed!  LOL  Maybe I'm boring, but compatibility seems an issue in how I play these romances- it feels more natural for my elves to be with Zevran and my humans to be with Alistair.

This. I would appreciate if in case of HN/Zev and CE/Alistair there were some race specific dialogues addressing their relationship a possible problem due to race. It would be nice touch and could help to roleplay more extreme PC.

Oh, there's a LOT of that in Alistair's relationship.  None in Zevran's.  Well, there's one line, actually, where Zevran refers to himself as elven when discussing their relationship, but it's more to do with an entirely different situation.  

Edit: But it comes up quite often in the Alistair romance, actually.  It's an interesting thing.

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 mars 2010 - 04:42 .

[Addai]

Sabriana wrote...

Hmmm, I wonder how an elf would feel regarding a romance with Lel/Ali? Especially a male elf romancing Lel? What a lot of questions you people put in my head. And on a friday evening, even. For shame.

Of all my characters, I think my Dalish elf has been most in love with Alistair.  After she got over the initial prejudices about him being a shem, she could see him as a peer and companion.  She was daughter of a keeper (Arlathan noble stock) who had grown up rough- he was the son of a king who had grown up sleeping in stables.  She had him marry Anora, but my end story has them having a daughter together who becomes a great warrior mage.  Haven't worked it out in detail but I picture a cute scene where assassins show up- this could even be Crows, since DE had Zevran with her rebuilding the Wardens, but also could have been people wanting to grab the king's daughter for ransom- and elfling flattens them with a Holy Smite she picked up on her own when she overheard her parents talking about templar magic.

My current elf mage slept with Alistair.  Knew he wasn't right for her, but he was kind and the road is lonely.  I think it could be very healing for an elf who had had only bad experiences with humans to be able to find one as gentle and respectful as Alistair.  My city elf just couldn't look at him at all, and I found that sad.

[Sabriana]

Jenovan, have you seen the little comic strip about Morrigan? If not, I have it linked somewhere, I think one or two pages back. I wonder what your writer's mind makes of that?

That truly was one sad CE, Ejoslin. Even just reading about her made me sad. Lordy, I'm so stuck with my dalish, I better not even try a CE for now.

Minaleth, I don't think the HN/Zevran pairing is as volatile as the Elf/Alistair one. Zevran hasn't grown up in those cultures, his upbringing was horrific, and he shared that sad fate with others - humans amongst them. The only time his elven heritage comes up is when he talks about his parents, in the werewolf lair (my knowledge about my heritage would fit in a gem half this size), and he tells the storyteller in the dalish camp (when he wonders about marching along-side shems) that he should try living with 'them'. Other than that I don't see much controversy on his part. My HN was feeling very guilty when she finally saw the lot of the elves, so yes, it would have been nice if she could ask him a few questions.

Elf/Alistair - now that's different. Especially a CE.

Edited for reasons. You guys. Stop answering my question before I even post them.

Modifié par Sabriana, 05 mars 2010 - 04:50 .

[Minaleth]

ejoslin wrote...
Oh, there's a LOT of that in Alistair's relationship.  None in Zevran's.  Well, there's one line, actually, where Zevran refers to himself as elven when discussing their relationship, but it's more to do with an entirely different situation.  
Edit: But it comes up quite often in the Alistair romance, actually.  It's an interesting thing.

Then it's better than I thought ^^
Must try this one day.

[Addai]

Minaleth wrote...

This. I would appreciate if in case of HN/Zev and CE/Alistair there were some race specific dialogues addressing their relationship a possible problem due to race. It would be nice touch and could help to roleplay more extreme PC.

There are a few with Alistair, but they don't go into any detail.  When he invites you to the tent, you can ask him if it matters that you're not human like him.  When he approaches you about whether or not you want to break up (if you've seduced him rather than wait for him to ask you to the tent), you can say "does it matter than I'm an elf?"  In both cases A. brushes it off completely.   He's actually rather short about ("of course not!").

[Minaleth]

Sabriana wrote...
Minaleth, I don't think the HN/Zevran pairing is as volatile as the Elf/Alistair one. Zevran hasn't grown up in those cultures...

Sure.
But from the HN PC point of view - let's say she was brought up in a culture that looks down at elves, uses them as servants. She might be affected by it to the point she accepts this as something natural. Falling for an elf might by a education slap - an event that needs some contemplating or talking. ... or she could be complete racist by nature. I admit those are borderline scenarios that do not really need in game support. It just crossed my mind.

[Sabriana]

Oh, now you stop that, Minaleth. You are putting ideas in my head. I need to play my dwarf, now I want to play a HN who does view the elves through the eyes of her time. My head starts to RP that scenario even as I type. Oh the possibilities. She'd really be blown out of the water, wouldn't she? Maybe she would fight herself falling for Zevran, not knowing that he is also getting more and more conflicted. Oh man....

[jenovan]

Sabriana wrote...

Jenovan, have you seen the little comic strip about Morrigan? If not, I have it linked somewhere, I think one or two pages back. I wonder what your writer's mind makes of that?

- this reply is full of spoilers!! XD -

Yep, I saw it a few days ago   I think it's really important, actually, and it makes me sad that it's not in the game... Although, if you get very friendly or in love with Morrigan, you know she has some of these sentiments... that's why the Dark Ritual scene can be kind of shocking.  She's playing SO cold and manipulative!    If the PC has never gotten to know her well, it seems like more of the same, but otherwise... it's kind of sad.  

I'm struggling with whether or not I want to take the Dark Ritual as canon for my game or not!  On the one hand, my original thought was that CEM would spare Loghain (he tends towards mercy, AND he was feeling that the Wardens all had a good shot at dying anyway, not even knowing about the Archdemon), and wouldn't agree to the ritual, and Loghain would kill the Archdemon.  That worked out all right, had a nice dramatic falling-out with his blood-brother Alistair, and a little bit of a reconciliation later.  

But, I decided on that course of action before ever seeing the Dark Ritual conversation. ;D  Now I'm pondering executing Loghain (he is SO unapologetic about the alienage, CEM may not be thinking merciful thoughts at all, let alone the whole thing about the rest of the Wardens and Cailan..), and doing the ritual -- CEM would not want Alistair to die, would never give Alistair to Morrigan, and when she brings up Zevran... guh.  Morrigan and the CEM were very close -- he got two different "I'm falling for you" speeches from her -- so her suddenly turning "dark" like this is yet more drama fodder.

Arrrrgh metagaming decisions XD

[Sabriana]

My PCs never allowed the ritual before Jenovan. But that little comic strip sure changes things. I know it's only Alistair who actually encounters her ('Tis a hallway'..., priceless), and no one sees her crying, so I wonder if the PC would talk to Alistair. Well, mine would have to, he would be the one who'd have to do it. He could mention the curious conversation.

For a male PC, perhaps he could be talking to Alistair as well. You know, seeking advice. That would be the chance of the hallway conversation to come up.

My PCs never allowed it because Morrigan is so hedgy. However, considering the cut part, it makes it a bit clearer that it is a sacrifice on her part (more or less).

I wonder what Zevran would make of all this. He has learned quite a lot about sacrifices, trust and friendship during his time with the Warden. In matters of the heart, he was very much like Morrigan.

[Minaleth]

Sabriana wrote...
Oh, now you stop that, Minaleth. You are putting ideas in my head. I need to play my dwarf, now I want to play a HN who does view the elves through the eyes of her time. My head starts to RP that scenario even as I type. Oh the possibilities. She'd really be blown out of the water, wouldn't she? Maybe she would fight herself falling for Zevran, not knowing that he is also getting more and more conflicted. Oh man....

Exactly! They would both fight their feelings for different reasons. Slowly falling deeper in love until it isn't possible to hold back. Wouldn't the confessions be sweet afterwards when they finally drop all the defenses? Awww :3 <3

I am cutting this right here right now, promise!

[Sabriana]

*sigh*. Too late. I can't get the 'rogue or warrior' thoughts out of my head. My poor dwarf. My poor dalish.

*headdesk*

Modifié par Sabriana, 05 mars 2010 - 05:32 .

[Ramante]

Sabriana wrote...
Hey, I'm in Orzammar with my amazon 2. Maybe we'll run into each other

I don't think so, I just left to kill the high dragon (failed 5 times in a row, that reptile is still breating). xD

I'm bored! My laptop is at the shop, they're going to fix it there, if they can't do it they will send it to Germany (factory). So that's going to take some time.
My pc is also dead, my sisters' boyfriend is installing new memory, new gcard and a new powerthingie (no idea, how to say in in English). So no dragon age and no boards for me. My sister is having dinner right now, so I stole her pc, no idea how long this will last. xD

[EccentricSage]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

It's funny with Anora telling a city elf how she's ruled for the past five years, not realizing (or not caring) how horrible things have been in the alienage for that time (and longer).

Exactly!  I thought that on my elf mage playthrough this time, too.  Elf mage lifted an eyebrow at Anora's boasting and thought, "this is supposed to be an advertisement?"  For as savvy as Anora is, she doesn't seem to realize that she might do better to say "Look at what a mess Cailan has made of everything!  Now it's my turn, I can do better!"  That might actually have worked.

Heh, my mage is too naive to realize what a snake Anora is and told her straight up that she won't support her at the LM.  I haven't played a LM free-for-all in a while and I'm looking forward to exploding fireballs in the middle of the uppercrust of Ferelden.

One thing that bothers me about my HNFs . . . this is pure metagaming. As bad as the alienage in Denerim is, the one in Highever must have been as bad as Nelaros was moving from Highever to Denerim. And it's not like she objects to Nan threatening to beat the kitchen elves. AND she tells Iona how attractive she finds elves. Heh, her falling in love with Zevran is such a complete change for her as well.

Gah, need to finish my city elf . . . Then I'll play another HNF with that thought in mind. *grin*

Iona tells you that the Couslands were known for being good to their elven servants, but "good" could well be a relative term.  My current character I am playing as the child of elven servants in Highever Castle and a playmate of Elissa Cousland, so I don't picture her childhood as being too bad up to the point that she was molested.  But life is harsh for elves everywhere, that's just a fact of Thedas life.  For my Aedan character, I did feel badly having him sleep with Iona.  It made him like every other sexually harrassing nobleman in Thedas.  Of course, he did it anyway.

This is actually an issue I have with romancing Zevran.  My HNF character came close to sleeping with him, but besides the fact that she's taller than him and that bothers me a little , it feels a bit like sexual harrassment.  Not that Zev would mind being sexually harrassed!  LOL  Maybe I'm boring, but compatibility seems an issue in how I play these romances- it feels more natural for my elves to be with Zevran and my humans to be with Alistair.

Highever certainly didn't seem so bad other than Nan in my HNM file... and she seemed like she'd threaten violence against anybody.  XD  But I'm trying to remember if Nelaros said Denarim seemed friendlier... I can't remember... granted, he may have just been trying to make his reluctant bride feal better.  Also, I think Iona is a willing participant capable of turning you down if she wanted to.  See, my Davend is even more of a scoundrel... he tried to con her into a threesome, and she would have none of it.  Indignantly turned him down outright.  LOL  I liked Iona.  XD

Granted the alienage and citizens might have been another story all together for all we know.  I remember how completely and chearfully ignorant King Cailan was when my CEF met him.  I took a sort of twisted pleasure in bluntly breaking some news to him.    And told Duncan that Cailan seems like an ideot.  Good times.  Shame about Dunkan, though... if there's one Shem she'd let bed her, it's him.  She was greatful for a way out of the alienage, and to be recognised for her skill and bravery instead of once again being asked to submit to a life of quet servitude in the alienage.  He's this reveed warrior and he only had the kindest and most respectful things to say.  The kindness the guard who came to arrest her had shown also informed her aditude towards humans... She's bitter towards the corupt nobility and cruel business people who exploit her people, but she knows better than to be completely racist.  It was a moveing moment when she claimed responsability for all the human blood that was shed, and instead of treating her like **** like the Noble's personal gards had inside, he seemed to realy sort of admire what she did, and her willingness to die alone to protect her friends.  There was no argument from the guard when Duncan said he was inscripting her, ether.  He was so quick to hand me over, he seemed almost releaved.  I'd have to play it a gain to be sure.  But I love touches like that in the storylines.

My scoundrel, Davend, also is destined to be with Zevran, I think, though it's going to start out purely sexual.  He's going to feel really horrible about having esentialy used him once he gets to know him, though.  Zevran will doubtlessly be the jerk's saving grace.  lol  Not that Davend is intentionaly cruel mind you... just has a very narrow view of honor and duty, and with it, a sence of entitlement.  What happened at Highever has turned him rather calous and bitter, on top of that... more lost in himself than before... more tempramental... more closed off to others.  But being a Grey Warden will lead to some major wake up calls down the road, for sure.

[Sabriana]

Heh, my HN rogue also got really messed up because of the Highever massacre. PTSD in the highest degree. Zevran had his hands full with her, to be sure.

[Creature 1]

jenovan wrote...
But, I decided on that course of action before ever seeing the Dark Ritual conversation. ;D  Now I'm pondering executing Loghain (he is SO unapologetic about the alienage, CEM may not be thinking merciful thoughts at all, let alone the whole thing about the rest of the Wardens and Cailan..), and doing the ritual -- CEM would not want Alistair to die, would never give Alistair to Morrigan, and when she brings up Zevran... guh.  Morrigan and the CEM were very close -- he got two different "I'm falling for you" speeches from her -- so her suddenly turning "dark" like this is yet more drama fodder.

Alessar and Morrigan?!  If you pick that you must write it--not the details of the encounter (although that would be either painful or funny or painfully funny) but the decision and Zevran's reactions.  Do it or instead of just checking Levalier House every day I'll be posting annoying comments every day--"Wrote it yet?  Huh?  Huh?"