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[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

That first conversation comes up before you have the chance to go to his tent -- it happens as soon as you move out of neutral.  I really like that part.  WIth Alistair, it's not until you have sex that he even considers the future -- funny how more casual the sex is for him, really, even though he's a virgin and wants to be in love.  His little speech before is also all about him, wanting to throw caution to the wind, blah blah blah.  Actually, I thought Alistair asking was one of the biggest turn offs in the game.  (I know, I know, sorry Alistair fans).

True, and I picked up on that as well, it's clear that though Alistair thinks he is in love, he also just really really doesn't want to die a virgin.  LOL  I think this makes him more a realistic character, however, than if he were the perfect template of romantic hunky maleness.  You see this again if you remind him afterwards that he's going to be king.  He says happily "but not today!"  I don't think he consciously is using the PC, but hey, just like he says, they are thrown together and in constant fear for their lives.  He's lonely.  He also still expects the PC to dump him at some point, or at the very least he feels unworthy of her (as becomes clear from what he says if you declare yourself his future bride) so he is not thinking too clearly about the future.  He is prone to a heavy dose of denial, as Morrigan points out to him when talking about his birthright and he says he was hoping it would just go away.

Anyway... back to Zevran...

[Sylph_14]

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, I'm going to spoiler this, so don't read if you don't want to know.  But I find this one of the most telling insights into his character and his flirting.

Spoiler starts here!  In Zevran's dream, he's on the rack during his initiation of the crows, being tortured.  When the PC wakes him, he refers to it as a bad memory, so it most likely really happened to him.  When you get to the sloth demon, however, he asks where all the wood nymphs went.  He would like everyone to think that all he thinks about is sex and pleasure, and not have people aware of how much suffering he has actually endured.  

I have quite a few more thoughts on this, but this will do to start!

I always thought the way he was to freaked out to fight at that part was absolutely heartbreaking :[ made me want to

[Creature 1]

Just wrote the Rinna dialogue for the fanfic I'm writing and think it actually let me get a better grasp on what was going on inside his head. I guess I didn't get all the pieces put together at first. I think Zevran was afraid of his love for Rinna so had her killed in an abrogation of everything non-Crow about him. Then it ends up the Crows place no value upon any of them, and since Zevran's self-worth is based upon being a good Crow, that means he is worth nothing. To anyone. Ow.

[paleobones]

Question about Zevran and Ruck, I know somewhere in this thread it discussed that Zevran takes the initiative in mercy killing Ruck after you encounter him. I brought Zevran to the Deep Roads to experience this dialogue but it never happen. He did say that we should put him out of his misery but I had to agree "Perhaps your right" to which Ruck said the pretty lady is um traitorous or something along those lines and then we all attack.

Did I just misunderstand the posts or is there a scene where its just Zevran that kills him, not the whole party?

[Addai]

I notice that Zevran's default tactics are set so that he will go after whatever is attacking the PC. I thought I saw that he was doing that and checked the tactics, then went back to an older character (a girlfriend of Alistair's, heh) to make sure it wasn't something I had set in a fit of Zevran romantic fancy and forgotten about. It's default and obviously intended to demonstrate his loyalty and protectiveness of the PC. *melty melty*

Modifié par Addai67, 12 janvier 2010 - 06:31 .

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Creature 1 wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...
I end up just wanting to lop off his head and stash his body in a pickle barrel somewhere in Denerim.

Zevran would probably think that's kind of hot, as long as you don't actually do it. 

Haha, you're right! Though he'd likely want to be tossed in a barrel of tannery scraps instead. I should be more considerate.


As over-the-top and cocky as the character is, he still can be cool at times.

[ejoslin]

paleobones wrote...

Question about Zevran and Ruck, I know somewhere in this thread it discussed that Zevran takes the initiative in mercy killing Ruck after you encounter him. I brought Zevran to the Deep Roads to experience this dialogue but it never happen. He did say that we should put him out of his misery but I had to agree "Perhaps your right" to which Ruck said the pretty lady is um traitorous or something along those lines and then we all attack.

Did I just misunderstand the posts or is there a scene where its just Zevran that kills him, not the whole party?

You misunderstood the posts.  You have no choice at all but to attack -- basically, at that moment Zevran takes charge of the group.  

Edit: The point of those posts, at least my point, is the PC has to lead everyone, and mother a few of them; Zevran is the only one who doesn't need that type of hand holding, and in fact in that instance, the PC will follow him.

I know Sten will try to take command of the group, but it's more a test of the PC mettle as leader, and the PC of course tells him to stand down (and if wanting to gain the most respect will fight him).  Zevran is the only group member who comes across as an equal rather than subservient, which is funny seeing as Zevran is technically the PC's indenture. I also like the way in every zone he has something to say, even telling the Dalish off a bit.

I've been thinking about how Alistair, Leliana, Wynne, and Shale will all, if you tick them off over a certain thing (different things except for Wynne and Lel) will either leave the group or side with someone else in a fight.  No matter how much you've done for them, no matter how high your approval is, they will turn on you if the circumstances are right.  With Zevran, as long as you've been decent to him, he will fight by your side no matter what, even if he's begging you to reconsider.  He'll kill the elves, he'll stand by you if you side with the slavers, he'll help kill Branka, he'll help kill the mages.  And even though he seems a bit irreverent to the sacred ashes, if he's the one who talks when entering the room, he is obviously in awe as well, yet doesn't blink if you destroy them.

*sigh* *sigh* 

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 janvier 2010 - 11:33 .

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

I notice that Zevran's default tactics are set so that he will go after whatever is attacking the PC. I thought I saw that he was doing that and checked the tactics, then went back to an older character (a girlfriend of Alistair's, heh) to make sure it wasn't something I had set in a fit of Zevran romantic fancy and forgotten about. It's default and obviously intended to demonstrate his loyalty and protectiveness of the PC. *melty melty*

That is extremely cool.  As soon as I take anyone in the party, I change tactics (I hate micromanaging, and especially rogues need a lot of customization).  That is most definitely "melty melty" and I like it!  But I still will never leave it on default tactics!

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

Just wrote the Rinna dialogue for the fanfic I'm writing and think it actually let me get a better grasp on what was going on inside his head. I guess I didn't get all the pieces put together at first. I think Zevran was afraid of his love for Rinna so had her killed in an abrogation of everything non-Crow about him. Then it ends up the Crows place no value upon any of them, and since Zevran's self-worth is based upon being a good Crow, that means he is worth nothing. To anyone. Ow.

I have had this feeling, tried to say it, but you word it SO much better than I could.  He does all but say this when telling about Rinna, especially when he says that he felt empty, that he was nothing, that she had been nothing.  Anyone who complains about Jon Curry's voice acting definitely has not heard that dialog, it is so heart wrenching.

Even though I hate fanfic as a general rule (most authors seem to make the male characters sound like tools), when you finish yours, I'd love to read it.  I have a feeling you see Zevran the same way I do, and are able to articulate so much better than I am!

Edit: I suppose asking THAT way guarantees I will never get to see it.  Eeep, I mean, I think your fanfic may be very good and enjoyable and I really WOULD like to read it!

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 janvier 2010 - 12:39 .

[jenovan]

Sylph_14 wrote...
I always thought the way he was to freaked out to fight at that part was absolutely heartbreaking :[ made me want to

Made you want to what? XD  But yes, I found that a bit wrenching, too   (And so did my PC.  Ah, fanfic, filling in the gaps. XD)

Addai67 wrote...

I notice that Zevran's default tactics are set so that he will go after whatever is attacking the PC. I thought I saw that he was doing that and checked the tactics, then went back to an older character (a girlfriend of Alistair's, heh) to make sure it wasn't something I had set in a fit of Zevran romantic fancy and forgotten about. It's default and obviously intended to demonstrate his loyalty and protectiveness of the PC. *melty melty*

Huh. I haven't changed Zev's tactics yet on my current game, and I was just noticing this last night -- my PC's set up as an archer, so of course he has some issues with mobs eventually getting to him.  He was taking out something distant, and Alistair was doing his thing a bit farther away from the PC, but Zevran barreled over to protect the PC from the mobs.  D'aww. XD  (I suppose that's tactically sound, too... if your PC has the aggro, Zevran can backstab.  )

Creature 1 wrote...

Just wrote the Rinna dialogue for the fanfic I'm writing and think it actually let me get a better grasp on what was going on inside his head. I guess I didn't get all the pieces put together at first. I think Zevran was afraid of his love for Rinna so had her killed in an abrogation of everything non-Crow about him. Then it ends up the Crows place no value upon any of them, and since Zevran's self-worth is based upon being a good Crow, that means he is worth nothing. To anyone. Ow.

Wonderfully stated. :3  It's incredibly painful.... not only did he make a horrible mistake -- perhaps guided by emotion and impulse, when he shouldn't have been -- but then he's told no one gives a damn.  I'm sure he went through training and his time as an assassin knowing any of them could die any time, but I wonder if that was the first time he truly realized how utterly expendable he, personally, was, to the Crows.  *shudder*

[Jayelet]

"I want to know, as you get to marry Zevran?

I've gone round and round the romance, but do not find that option.

[ejoslin]

Jayelet wrote...

"I want to know, as you get to marry Zevran?
I've gone round and round the romance, but do not find that option.

You don't marry him, exactly.  *spoiler alert*  If you turn down the earring the first time he offers it, if he offers it again, you can tell him it sounds like a proposal, to which he answers, "Not unless you wish it."  Heh, however, if you tell him, "No, that's too much," it's obvious that is exactly how he meant it (I recommend not selecting that option without saving first and being prepared to reload).

[Jayelet]

You've piqued the curiosity, I'll try it again. Although the campaign has ended.

Thanks

[AnniLau]

AnniLau wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: If he's warm and not staring at you, you're pretty sunk. He won't persue the PC at all if the PC makes it clear from the start that she's not interested.  Unlike, say, Leliana, who falls in love even IF you try to avoid it.

Thanks, I'll check it when I get home. If he's at 'Warm,' I guess I'll have to look at my autosaves and see if there's something not too far back.

He was at 'Warm' unfortunately, and no helpful saves.

I decided to let my little warrior elf be Alistair's mistress, since I had already hardened him this go 'round to see what the differences were, and started a mage for Zevran. I think this has already been answered but I'm too lazy to read through all of the pages again: Is killing Connor or Isolde in Redcliffe the quickest way to trigger Zevran's appearance, or should I just head to Haven? I want to see his Fade dream, so the Circle is out.

[ejoslin]

AnniLau wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: If he's warm and not staring at you, you're pretty sunk. He won't persue the PC at all if the PC makes it clear from the start that she's not interested.  Unlike, say, Leliana, who falls in love even IF you try to avoid it.

Thanks, I'll check it when I get home. If he's at 'Warm,' I guess I'll have to look at my autosaves and see if there's something not too far back.

He was at 'Warm' unfortunately, and no helpful saves.

I decided to let my little warrior elf be Alistair's mistress, since I had already hardened him this go 'round to see what the differences were, and started a mage for Zevran. I think this has already been answered but I'm too lazy to read through all of the pages again: Is killing Connor or Isolde in Redcliffe the quickest way to trigger Zevran's appearance, or should I just head to Haven? I want to see his Fade dream, so the Circle is out.

Killing Conner or Isolde is fastest.  For a mage, there is actually an interesting way that whole scenario can play out, but I won't write it here (too much of a spoiler, even for me).  If you want to know, though, let me know and I'll write you privately.

[AnniLau]

ejoslin wrote...

Killing Conner or Isolde is fastest.  For a mage, there is actually an interesting way that whole scenario can play out, but I won't write it here (too much of a spoiler, even for me).  If you want to know, though, let me know and I'll write you privately.

Yes please! I killed Isolde once and it made Alistair so crankypants that I did it the Circle Tower way every playthrough since.

[ejoslin]

AnniLau wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Killing Conner or Isolde is fastest.  For a mage, there is actually an interesting way that whole scenario can play out, but I won't write it here (too much of a spoiler, even for me).  If you want to know, though, let me know and I'll write you privately.

Yes please! I killed Isolde once and it made Alistair so crankypants that I did it the Circle Tower way every playthrough since.

Sending you a private message.  I'll also explain how to get Alistair approval pulling this off!

Edit: Obligatory Zevran *squee*

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 janvier 2010 - 04:33 .

[Rhinna]

Addai67 wrote...

Rhinna wrote...

I must confess I am so hooked on Zev, that my 4th playthrough (third romance with him) I made a dark haired elven beauty with the same tattoo as him (I used the project Beauty Zevran - option 5) he is SO much hotter with dark hair!

Do you have any screen caps?  I'm not talented enough to use console and anyway I stay away from such things since it's my husband's PC actually, so I don't want to mess up his game in some way.  But I've heard about these mods and am curious.

Yes I do have a screen cap

Modifié par Rhinna, 12 janvier 2010 - 04:35 .

[AnniLau]

ejoslin wrote...

Sending you a private message.  I'll also explain how to get Alistair approval pulling this off!

Got it, thanks!

Modifié par AnniLau, 12 janvier 2010 - 04:41 .

[Addai]

Rhinna wrote...


Yes I do have a screen cap

Ooh, nice, thank you.  He looks so young and clean there.  Very sexy, though I actually like his more weathered look.  He has scars and IMO that should show.  But, I do like the Spanish look.  The Spanish accent coming from a blonde is strange, though obviously there are character reasons why it is appropriate.  Re the voice acting, his "si mi amor" is said in such a smoky tone... I hate being a cliche' and going for that, but there you go...

[ejoslin]

Ok, I am not able to copy a screen shot here for some weird reason (it usually works) so here's a link.i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab322/tiredangel/zevran1.jpg . It's very similar to Rhinna's, but he's a bit older and more masculine looking, and has the original tattoo.

My apologies if this comes out big!  But here is Zevran 7 with original tattoo (if it works).

[Jayelet]

Ejoslin Thanks, very beautiful history as well. It was my fault, I always try not to hurt him, by which it is easy to injure



Addai69 ... You might be surprised the Spanish blonde sings there.

[ejoslin]

Jayelet wrote...

Ejoslin Thanks, very beautiful history as well. It was my fault, I always try not to hurt him, by which it is easy to injure

Addai69 ... You might be surprised the Spanish blonde sings there.

I know, by that point in the game I just want to say things that puts a happy look on his face.  But from a RP perspective, it's pretty easy to turn down that earring letting him know you only want it if it means something.  He needs to be told that, even if it ticks him off a bit.  My first romance with him, getting the earring back was a shock -- a very pleasant one, for sure.

[Addai]

Very nice picture as well... so I guess Zevran 7 is the popular one from that mod? I do know that there are blondes in Mediterranean countries too, it's just not the obvious choice and unfortunately I think it reminds some people of Legolas-type elves which puts them off. Not much love in the game for women who like dark-haired men.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

Very nice picture as well... so I guess Zevran 7 is the popular one from that mod? I do know that there are blondes in Mediterranean countries too, it's just not the obvious choice and unfortunately I think it reminds some people of Legolas-type elves which puts them off. Not much love in the game for women who like dark-haired men.

Well, it certainly is popular with me; some people like him more boyish, but I like him looking a bit more, I don't know, masculine.  It doesn't really show in that picture I don't think, but he looks a bit older as well -- definitely a seasoned assassin and player.  I love Legolas, believe you me, and I would have HIM in my party if he were an option.  That would add for an interesting dynamic . . . 

I have Alistair modded as well (different mod) to be dark with heavier brows and in need of a shave (I think the mod is called Sexier Alistair).  It makes it easier to romance him those times I want to feed him to the archdemon.