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[Meadow3D]

I've been checking out this thread for quite some time and decided to post in it because of something I read in another thread. In this other thread (forgot the name of it actually) I read that if you do some of the quests in Denerim after leaving Lothering Zevran's encounter will happen and was wondering if anyone has tried this.

[jenovan]

Hmm, just doing actual quests in Denerim? That's an interesting idea... I wonder which/how many you would have to do...



From a story standpoint, it makes sense -- it seems that your team has to achieve *something* for word to spread that, in fact, there are still a couple of Wardens running around. In theory, cleaning up things in Denerim could cause that to happen, but that's the first I've heard of it in-game.





*waits to get home to ogle screenshots; stupid block on photobucket*

[BlastedLands]

Meadow3D wrote...

I've been checking out this thread for quite some time and decided to post in it because of something I read in another thread. In this other thread (forgot the name of it actually) I read that if you do some of the quests in Denerim after leaving Lothering Zevran's encounter will happen and was wondering if anyone has tried this.

i remember reading something about getting the sacred ashes quest before knowing about, yeah, the sacred ashes by visiting genitivis house. not sure though, you might want to read the previous pages, as it was definitely discussed in this thread.
or someone could just clarify:huh:

[jenovan]

Oh, yes, you can start Sacred Ashes from Genitivi's house in Denerim. But you have to finish it (i.e., find the Ashes) for Zevran to appear.



(Although, if you talk to the knight in the chantry in Lothering, technically you *do* know about the Ashes! XD Just probably not where to start looking.)

[BlastedLands]

jenovan wrote...



(Although, if you talk to the knight in the chantry in Lothering, technically you *do* know about the Ashes! XD Just probably not where to start looking.)

and not why you even would=]

[Meadow3D]

Ah I see now I was hoping to get Zevran as early as possible since in my first playthrough I didn't get to take him to the Circle Tower to see his nightmare, but alas it isn't. Oh and btw it's nice to see that there are fans that love Zevran's romance. I'm starting on my third playthrouh romancing Zev for the 2nd time and I'm glad i started reading this thread because there were a lot of dialog options that i missed when I romanced Zev with my 2nd character for the 1st time.

[ejoslin]

Yes, the fastest way to get Zevran, as stated before, is to do the Redcliff arc but killing either Isolde or Conner.

Edit: I find the Urn of Sacred Ashes a bit too difficult at low levels, but that may be the difficulty I play at.

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 janvier 2010 - 10:58 .

[Sabriana]

Well, I did the mages first to see if there was any difference that made a difference to me, but I have to admit, that I'll be doing the Redcliffe arch from now on to get Zevran. I missed him terribly at the tower, but I'm used not to have him in Redcliffe.

No, I don't like seeing him on the rack, but his comments there, and the 'wood-nymph' comments tell my Pc's too much about him to pass that up.

I so wish there was an option to give in to him when he pleads for the mages. This is so utterly heartwarming.

One of the major reasons I like him so much is that you can very well afford to have a different opinion than he does. It is so very easy to make up to him in any subsequent conversation, and he truly loves the special gifts the PC can give to him. I 'baby' my children, but I don't want to 'baby' an adult.

[ejoslin]

Ok, in another thread I brought this up, but I'd like other opinions on this. Does anyone else see Zevran's dialog, when he tells the PC about his past lovers -- when she asks about his sexual history-- as a confession that he uses sex as a way to get close to his victims? That was the first time I actually started to trust him the first time I romanced him, but maybe I am way off base here.

Edit: And by "I" of course I mean my PC.  As much as an obsessive fangirl as I am, I do make that distinction!

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 janvier 2010 - 11:28 .

[Tharissa]

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, in another thread I brought this up, but I'd like other opinions on this. Does anyone else see Zevran's dialog, when he tells the PC about his past lovers -- when she asks about his sexual history-- as a confession that he uses sex as a way to get close to his victims? That was the first time I actually started to trust him the first time I romanced him, but maybe I am way off base here.

Edit: And by "I" of course I mean my PC.  As much as an obsessive fangirl as I am, I do make that distinction!

You know, that was my thought there as well... he sounds incredibly honest and forthcoming there, and he's not hiding behind any jokes or word games.  I also wonder if that's not why you take a decent loss of approval if you tell him maybe you'd rather not know... And when you tell him it doesn't bother you at all, he sounds sooo relieved.

[Sabriana]

He talks about the mage who deceived him, and laughs it off as being 'young and foolish'. When he talks about the woman he bedded before killing her he talks as if he did her a favor.
He might as well has resorted to that, but what sticks in his mind are the encounters where sex was either used to manipulate him, or he thinks of it as doing the mark a good turn.
He does mention that sex is a weapon, but he doesn't use it on my PC. What made my PC trust him was his insistance that she assures him that there is a future for himwith her. Somewhere.

Modifié par Sabriana, 12 janvier 2010 - 11:40 .

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

He talks about the mage who deceived him, and laughs it off as being 'young and foolish'. When he talks about the woman he bedded before killing her he talks as if he did her a favor.
He might as well has resorted to that, but what sticks in his mind are the encounters where sex was either used to manipulate him, or he thinks of it as doing the mark a good turn.
He does mention that sex is a weapon, but he doesn't use it on my PC. What made my PC trust him was his insistance that she assures him that there is a future for himwith her. Somewhere.

I have to admit, that that is one of my favorite parts of the romance.  But in that particular dialog, when he does say that the crows want a certain open mindedness for obvious reasons, that just struck me as more a confession about using sex as a tool as opposed to saying he's been with a lot of people, and that was the part he regretted least.  I'm not sure on this one.  But it struck me as incredibly honest to come right out and admit that you seduce people to get close to them so you can kill them to someone you were hired to kill and are trying to seduce.

Does that make sense at all?

[Meadow3D]

Modifié par Meadow3D, 04 février 2010 - 09:42 .

[ejoslin]

Tharissa wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, in another thread I brought this up, but I'd like other opinions on this. Does anyone else see Zevran's dialog, when he tells the PC about his past lovers -- when she asks about his sexual history-- as a confession that he uses sex as a way to get close to his victims? That was the first time I actually started to trust him the first time I romanced him, but maybe I am way off base here.

Edit: And by "I" of course I mean my PC.  As much as an obsessive fangirl as I am, I do make that distinction!

You know, that was my thought there as well... he sounds incredibly honest and forthcoming there, and he's not hiding behind any jokes or word games.  I also wonder if that's not why you take a decent loss of approval if you tell him maybe you'd rather not know... And when you tell him it doesn't bother you at all, he sounds sooo relieved.

Ah, good, someone else sees it the same way; I was beginning to wonder.  It definitely is reading a lot into the dialog, more than is there maybe, but it seemed he was giving way more information than was asked when he told her that the crows required a certain open mindedness.

[Sabriana]

Yes, but that is the ambiguity in it. Neither my HN, nor my mage have a problem understanding that. He's an assassin, and he uses whatever he has to. But he doesn't use it on them. On the contrary, he wont' bed my PC just out of the starting gate. He never even tries to use sex. He is his usual self in trying to shock her, but he won't use sex. He wants her to commit. Before sex.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Well, it certainly is popular with me; some people like him more boyish, but I like him looking a bit more, I don't know, masculine.  It doesn't really show in that picture I don't think, but he looks a bit older as well -- definitely a seasoned assassin and player.  I love Legolas, believe you me, and I would have HIM in my party if he were an option.  That would add for an interesting dynamic . . . 

I have Alistair modded as well (different mod) to be dark with heavier brows and in need of a shave (I think the mod is called Sexier Alistair).  It makes it easier to romance him those times I want to feed him to the archdemon.

Ahaa... I think I need to see Sexier Alistair, too!  And yes, I already said I prefer the older and seasoned look myself.  As for Legolas, this is the Tolkien nerd coming out in me now, but Legolas was really supposed to be dark-haired with grey eyes as is the Tolkien template, not the blondie film Legolas.  I'll also note that it bugs me a little that this game has the elven physique as being shorter and scrawnier than the humans.  I get it that they are a slave race at this point and malnourished etc. but I'm nostalgic for Tolkien's tall + strong + minimal ear-pointiness in elves.  Just my bias.  I also note the complete absence of grey eyes... possibly a conscious desire not to invoke Tolkien?  Brown/golden eyes seem to be dominant in Ferelden.

I don't want to feed Alistair to the Archdemon ever- I like them both.  The only down side to my current Zevran playthrough, in fact, is that I realize I've doomed Alistair to be deflowered by Morrigan.  I'm sorry buddy!!!

[Tharissa]

ejoslin wrote...

Tharissa wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, in another thread I brought this up, but I'd like other opinions on this. Does anyone else see Zevran's dialog, when he tells the PC about his past lovers -- when she asks about his sexual history-- as a confession that he uses sex as a way to get close to his victims? That was the first time I actually started to trust him the first time I romanced him, but maybe I am way off base here.

Edit: And by "I" of course I mean my PC.  As much as an obsessive fangirl as I am, I do make that distinction!

You know, that was my thought there as well... he sounds incredibly honest and forthcoming there, and he's not hiding behind any jokes or word games.  I also wonder if that's not why you take a decent loss of approval if you tell him maybe you'd rather not know... And when you tell him it doesn't bother you at all, he sounds sooo relieved.

Ah, good, someone else sees it the same way; I was beginning to wonder.  It definitely is reading a lot into the dialog, more than is there maybe, but it seemed he was giving way more information than was asked when he told her that the crows required a certain open mindedness.

I didn't pick up on it until my male pc playthrough, he words that part more to the effect that most of his partners have been for business, but not always.  One of the nicest things the writers did was leave just enough open for player's imagination to fill in the blanks!

[ejoslin]

double post, sorry.

Modifié par ejoslin, 13 janvier 2010 - 12:38 .

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Yes, but that is the ambiguity in it. Neither my HN, nor my mage have a problem understanding that. He's an assassin, and he uses whatever he has to. But he doesn't use it on them. On the contrary, he wont' bed my PC just out of the starting gate. He never even tries to use sex. He is his usual self in trying to shock her, but he won't use sex. He wants her to commit. Before sex.

I absolutely love that too.  He wants to know exactly where it's leading, and brings up right there that they could end up with each other.  He does not view the PC as casual, no matter how much he tries to not admit that.  I've taken to always asking him about love because I like the way he does not deny it, but tries to step around it.  When he says he was born of a **** and bred as an assassin, where is there room for love, it's like he's trying to convince himself of it, not her.

[jenovan]

Ooooh, now that I can see them, some tasty Zev mods there. XD Still working on mine -- the toolset is an amazing thing, but I feel like it could/should be so much easier to use *quickly*! :|





As for Zev and sex and assassination... huh. It never crossed my mind that he *didn't* use that as a way to get close to victims. >_> Based on things he said, his background, and so on. (not to mention a certain bias based on older characters of mine. *whistles*)



In terms of straight-up confessions, if, after the first time the PC sleeps with him, you choose the commentary about, you thought maybe he was just doing that for another chance to kill you or whatnot, he comments that seduction is a classic means to effect an assassination (and describes some interesting poison ;o ). Still not an admission that he's done it, but it gets back to that "open-mindedness" mentioned previously.

[Woman Warden 118]

Zevran could turn the straightest man gay , thus his nickname of ManSex is well deserved, but personaly im an Alistair addict

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

Ooooh, now that I can see them, some tasty Zev mods there. XD Still working on mine -- the toolset is an amazing thing, but I feel like it could/should be so much easier to use *quickly*! :|


As for Zev and sex and assassination... huh. It never crossed my mind that he *didn't* use that as a way to get close to victims. >_> Based on things he said, his background, and so on. (not to mention a certain bias based on older characters of mine. *whistles*)

In terms of straight-up confessions, if, after the first time the PC sleeps with him, you choose the commentary about, you thought maybe he was just doing that for another chance to kill you or whatnot, he comments that seduction is a classic means to effect an assassination (and describes some interesting poison ;o ). Still not an admission that he's done it, but it gets back to that "open-mindedness" mentioned previously.

Ooooh, I didn't mean to imply that the PC thought otherwise -- I meant that he was confessing it to her, not that it was news to her.  I mean, you actually meet someone he had sex with to get close to his victim (Isabela), possibly before that dialog.  But the fact that he brings it up to me says something.  Or, as I said, I'm just reading too much into it.

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...



Ooooh, I didn't mean to imply that the PC thought otherwise -- I meant that he was confessing it to her, not that it was news to her. I mean, you actually meet someone he had sex with to get close to his victim (Isabela), possibly before that dialog. But the fact that he brings it up to me says something. Or, as I said, I'm just reading too much into it.

Oooh, I see. hmm... I don't remember having a conversation like that with ye old male PC, but that could come down to dialogue selections... Makes this game amazing, it does. (But I'll definitely be doing a lot more saving and conversation path exploration this time around!)

[ejoslin]

Sorry, I was not "oooh'ing" your "ooooh." At least not intentionally! It's the conversation where the PC asks him about his history with women and he goes on to tell you way more than was asked. That he was with men as well, it was part of being a crow, that he regretted other things far more than who he had had sex with.



Leliana maees a similar confession, actually. The main difference being is she doesn't feel at all bad about it, and in fact accuses the PC of doing the same if she's romancing Alistair. Leliana loved what she did.

[Little Paw]

Leliana, if spoken to after being with Zevran, chides the PC for having frivolous sex, even after the PC brings up that she used sex as a weapon in her trade. She can easily be viewed as a hypocrite, or at least a bit conflicted, since she is apparently looking for love at THIS point in her life and obviously had eyes for the PC.

Modifié par Little Paw, 13 janvier 2010 - 03:50 .