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[Cuddlezarro]

I let Loghain live this time. I think he's an interesting character and I wanted to see what would happen. He claimed that he would be willing to sacrifice himself by killing the archdemon to atone for his crimes. But he didn't. He let me do the final blow. (And he didn't know that I'd done the ritual with Morrigan, so that wasn't an excuse).



What happens if you do the dark ritual but have Alistair in your party? Does he accidentally forget to sacrifice himself too? Or does he know about the ritual?

its assumed Alistair finds out about the ritual some how unless you make him do it



also Loghain/Alistair *will* offer to sacrifice himself but only if you rejected morrigan

[jenovan]

*trying not to laugh out loud at Anora's gay potshot* That is completely awesome.





Ugh, you guys are trying to evilly get my hopes up with this Dark Wolf thing. :/ And then I started getting resentful... half of the companions might be making appearances (if you didn't kill them)... Sten, one wouldn't expect to return, Shale's supposed to be in Tevinter (g'way, Wynne!), but what about your most faithful friends -- Zevran and the poor dog? Hiss...

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, since a lot of people seem to be at this point, another zevran squee type question from me (I know I ask WAY too many of these). I've gone back and forth on this one, though. When Zevran says, "Since you've asked me to your tent, I've been nothing but confused." Do you think that he meant asking him since he fell in love, or from the from the first (or second) time they went to the tent? I think he meant from the first or second time they went to the tent -- it's just after he fell in love that he couldn't fight it any more. The only reason I'm thinking this is that really IS what he says.

Edit: And yes, my fangirl heart has a little stirring of hope as well.  But I can imagine if it were so, Zev haters and Leliana fans would be SCREAMING!

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 mars 2010 - 09:20 .

[Cuddlezarro]

well in Xanders case it would most likely be the time he rejected to sleep with you



mostley because Xander got the massage talk so it was zevran asking to jump in the sack plus Zev did sound conflicted during the "reject to sleep with you scene"

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

well in Xanders case it would most likely be the time he rejected to sleep with you

mostley because Xander got the massage talk so it was zevran asking to jump in the sack plus Zev did sound conflicted during the "reject to sleep with you scene"

Ah, ok, there is that scenario, in which case it's crystal clear.  But if you didn't wait, what do you think?

Edit: And as a totally unrelated note, I think I need to quit posting in threads that have "Alistair" in the title.  Ok, back to Zev Squee for me.

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 mars 2010 - 09:23 .

[Cuddlezarro]

Ejoslin you cant seem to escape Alistair even in the Zevran threads :3

[ejoslin]

*grin* But at least I'm not ticking off people in the Zevran threads. At least, not THAT much!

[Ramante]

I think he's talking about the second time you asked him to the tent.

Maybe after the first time he thought it was just a one time thing (even if you don't point it out during the aftertalk). If I combine that line with the fact that he gives approval hits if you sleep with him he's confused. Apparently he is really 'stunned' (don't no a better word for it) that the warden considers him worthy enough to allow him so close to him/her.



Also during the conversations with the other companions Zev jokes about the relationship, maybe because he doesn't know what a relationship actually means or maybe because he doesn't want to get his hopes up and acts like the warden doesn't mean that much to him.



Does this post even make sense. o.o

[Minaleth]

ejoslin wrote...
Hmmm, since a lot of people seem to be at this point, another zevran squee type question from me (I know I ask WAY too many of these). I've gone back and forth on this one, though. When Zevran says, "Since you've asked me to your tent, I've been nothing but confused." Do you think that he meant asking him since he fell in love, or from the from the first (or second) time they went to the tent? I think he meant from the first or second time they went to the tent -- it's just after he fell in love that he couldn't fight it any more. The only reason I'm thinking this is that really IS what he says.

I agree, I am under impression he refers to the beginning of their tentship. Confused since then.
I can easily imagine Warden / Zevran as love at first sight. Only the actual admitting of things comes later. 

[Cuddlezarro]

Ejoslin that's because there's plenty of distractions mostly involving naked men in this thread

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 10 mars 2010 - 09:29 .

[ejoslin]

@ Ramante. It's the initial HUGE approval jump if you ask him to the tent, and the subsequent +1 you get every time you ask him that makes me think more than anything it was from the beginning that he was confused. And in his party banters, he is SO proud to be the one with the Warden

@Minaleth, I agree that there was something there at first sight. If you're romancing Alistair, you can tell him that in the juicy gossip conversation. But not only that. If you're dumping Alistair for Zevran, if you talk to Alistair you can tell him you're in love with Zevran and Alistair is completely not surprised.

Edit: @CZ, mmmmm Naked men! 

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 mars 2010 - 09:31 .

[Rhinna]

I think it's from the time he refuses you when you ask him to your tent...I think his feelings had been growing and that for some reason was a breaking point for him, because I don't doubt his attraction to your PC was from the moment you listened to him rather than finish him off - I think his decision to live was made while he was talking to you after the ambush- and from there it just grew until it got to the point where he could not handle it - until he knew with certainty how you felt. Once he knows, it's almost relief, and he apologizes for acting like a child, and losing control of his emotions...(a little of the crow peeking through I think!) But from there at least, it's nice to watch his confidence in your relationship grow



(If that is not one of the turning points listed - it should be LOL)

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, since a lot of people seem to be at this point, another zevran squee type question from me (I know I ask WAY too many of these). I've gone back and forth on this one, though. When Zevran says, "Since you've asked me to your tent, I've been nothing but confused." Do you think that he meant asking him since he fell in love, or from the from the first (or second) time they went to the tent? I think he meant from the first or second time they went to the tent -- it's just after he fell in love that he couldn't fight it any more. The only reason I'm thinking this is that really IS what he says.

Edit: And yes, my fangirl heart has a little stirring of hope as well.  But I can imagine if it were so, Zev haters and Leliana fans would be SCREAMING!

Amusing thing that could never happen: Make the Dark Wolf whichever of your rogue companions had the highest approval.   (Although if Leliana wasn't hardened, I can't see her doing that... pff.)


Oooh, the tent question. I think this came up last weekish, very briefly.  I'd *like* to think it was the longer-term thing, I think that would be really very sweet... but for reasons like what CZ said, I think Zevran means that most recent event that caused him to refuse.  That is certainly when his confusion became very apparent. XD

*still grins to hear Zevran say "Do... do those!"*

[Sabriana]

Did you put your foot into your mouth again, EJ? Those Alistair fans will come after you with pitch-forks soon, you know. I love reading your posts there though.

I do think that Zevran starts falling for the GW almost immediately. Think about his state of mind. He is trying to die, and she offers him mercy. He has his first real shot at freedom, ever. Gratitude is a powerful feeling, and seeing her (or him, I'm so used to my girls, sorry) in action, and being genuinely nice to him will confuse him. He never had anyone caring for him. He never had anyone actually listen to him and his pov. These are powerful experiences. Especially for someone who never was allowed them. Even aside her affection, she gives him so much more. So yes, he does find her intriguing, he is grateful, and things go on from there.

[Cuddlezarro]

Sabriana if the Alistair fans invade the thread id simply distract them with my collection of Nekkid Alistair screenshots :3

[ejoslin]

Rhinna wrote...

I think it's from the time he refuses you when you ask him to your tent...I think his feelings had been growing and that for some reason was a breaking point for him, because I don't doubt his attraction to your PC was from the moment you listened to him rather than finish him off - I think his decision to live was made while he was talking to you after the ambush- and from there it just grew until it got to the point where he could not handle it - until he knew with certainty how you felt. Once he knows, it's almost relief, and he apologizes for acting like a child, and losing control of his emotions...(a little of the crow peeking through I think!) But from there at least, it's nice to watch his confidence in your relationship grow

(If that is not one of the turning points listed - it should be LOL)

Rhinna, see, this is the point I keep going back and forth on.  WHEN did he get confused. Obviously, after Taliesen things changed for him dramatically -- that's when he really fell in love.  But he doesn't say that he has been confused about his feelings since the ambush.  He says since you asked him to your tent.  

Is it possible that he was confused until Taliesen, and he started refusing because he was no longer confused?  Does that make sense at all?

edit: @Sabriana I really do annoy the Alistair fans   No one believes that I really do like the guy!  

Second edit: still @Sabriana The more times I do the romance (gah, on playthrough 20 now), the more convinced I am that it was never casual at all for Zevran.  He fought falling in love until he could no longer fight it, but those feelings were there.  And yes, part of it is because you can tell Alistair so.  Part of it is because you can tell Wynne that you saw the tenderness from the start.  And truly, the tent scenes show a great deal of feeling, as do the kisses, though that could just be interpretation.

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 mars 2010 - 09:37 .

[Addai]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

LOL at the "bend over" joke. Oh man, the HNM is sooo not getting any out of that skank. Good thing you've got that royal scandal going, cz, albeit there won't be any stealth heirs to the throne for you like in ejoslin's playthroughs.

oh their will be an Heir to the throne... just not Anoras

Ah, so you're going for a Cousland coup, then.  And who's going to provide this heir, dare I ask?  Wynne might volunteer, if you ask her real nice. 

About Zevran's "confused since you asked me to your tent":  The writers'  intent probably is that this refers to the time when he refuses you.  He does look conflicted there, and it's after Taliesin that the meter turns to Love (unless you get a happy glitch).  However, I take the vagueness given and make my own interpretation based on my RP story, which usually is that Zevran means he's been conflicted all along.  If you consider the approval drop if you "break up" even after only one trip to the tent, it sort of gives the lie to his claim that he thought of it as nothing but a simple pleasure.

[Ramante]

ejoslin wrote...

@ Ramante. It's the initial HUGE approval jump if you ask him to the tent, and the subsequent +1 you get every time you ask him that makes me think more than anything it was from the beginning that he was confused. And in his party banters, he is SO proud to be the one with the Warden

I know. I got the massage talk so thinking he was confused at that time just doesn't fit. Or maybe it does... if he liked the Warden from the beginning, he could have just used the massage talk to check what he/she was thinking about him.
I know he's proud that the Warden chooses him and all, but compared to Alistair his party banters just give a different vibe. Though comparing the Zev romance with the Alistair romance is kinda useless because Alistair's romance starts great but in the end it gets really boring while Zev's romance just gets better and better.

Funny, in my post I wrote something about the huge approval jump but I erased it. x3

[Cuddlezarro]

Ah, so you're going for a Cousland coup, then.  And who's going to
provide this heir, dare I ask?  Wynne might volunteer, if you ask her
real nice.  ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png

thats only if I could pull Zevran off of her Magical Boosums

[Addai]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Sabriana if the Alistair fans invade the thread id simply distract them with my collection of Nekkid Alistair screenshots :3

I'm an Alistair fan and I can take it.    If you call him a man-child again, however, I might have to take measures!

[ejoslin]

Ramante wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

@ Ramante. It's the initial HUGE approval jump if you ask him to the tent, and the subsequent +1 you get every time you ask him that makes me think more than anything it was from the beginning that he was confused. And in his party banters, he is SO proud to be the one with the Warden

I know. I got the massage talk so thinking he was confused at that time just doesn't fit. Or maybe it does... if he liked the Warden from the beginning, he could have just used the massage talk to check what he/she was thinking about him.
I know he's proud that the Warden chooses him and all, but compared to Alistair his party banters just give a different vibe. Though comparing the Zev romance with the Alistair romance is kinda useless because Alistair's romance starts great but in the end it gets really boring while Zev's romance just gets better and better.

Funny, in my post I wrote something about the huge approval jump but I erased it. x3

Yeh, that's why I said first or second time.  Because if he offers the massage, then it's the second time they were at the tent that the Warden invited him.  Which would also fit, really.

Zevran's banters with Shale, with Oghren, and with Morrigan I think give an amazing reaction to how he feels about the warden.  The one where he tells Shale that the warden getting a pregnant wouldn't be a terrible thing can happen at 51+ Care, as does the Morrigan one.  The Oghren one doesn't trigger until 71+ adore (I'm fairly sure).

[Cuddlezarro]

Addai67 wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Sabriana if the Alistair fans invade the thread id simply distract them with my collection of Nekkid Alistair screenshots :3

I'm an Alistair fan and I can take it.    If you call him a man-child again, however, I might have to take measures!

Alistairs an overgrown manchild nananananana

[Sabriana]

See, I think he got drawn into the Warden sooner than that. His "Is there no one I should stay for?" gives me that impression. I don't think that's something he ever contemplated. He wants to stay with her/him, and this is not the only time he asks for her/him to commit - in the Zevran way.

[Sabriana]

Alistair is a sweetheart as long as the PC figures him out. My silly mage never did. My HNF always did. I so wish I could make him solo king and keep Loghain for the archdemon. I would love to imagine him finding a nice girl that's not Anora. But alas, the game won't allow that. I also want Eamon to go away. I truly do not like him.

[Cuddlezarro]

Eamon gets lost if you dont put Alistair on the throne



he wont be at the coronation at all