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What's the (Romantic) Appeal of Zevran?


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EccentricSage

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Sabriana wrote...

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Morrigan... I think she is the product of her upbringing, truly, and she does show emotions at some points that seem authentic.  Her character does soften.  But then, there's a lot of scenarios with her I've not played through yet.  Why have I not seen a 'Justifying Morrigan' thread?  lol  I'm really hoping she will turn out to be capable of caring for others, truly.  I at least have to give her points for being honest with my character and not pretending to be sweet and inocent.  I feel like with Morrigan, I KNOW what I'm getting myself into, to some degree at least, much like with Zevran.  When she tells you about herself, she's verry streight forward about things that she knows might make you uncomfortable or even disguested, depending on who you are and your worldview.  Ultimately, she's very survivalistic.  Like a wild animal, her continued wellfare and freedom are more important to her than anything else... and I actually realy respect that. 

Granted my first character is my Dalish, and Morrigan's views on life are very natural.  Easy for someone who lives close to nature and knows what it is to be both a hunter and the hunted to sympathise with.  But on the other hand, who knows.  I heard there will be times when she says some pretty awfull things, but then, I've played out some of those scenarios and found that in context, she wasn't being monsterous... like at the mage's tower, when she said she didn't want to save people who give up their freedom.  Her view of the situation wasn't entirely fair, but it was highly understandable given her background and what is being asked of her.


Oh ES, shhh. You'll give people ideas here, lol.

Morrigan disapproves a lot (with my PCs, at least), but they end up being friends with her anyways. Her speech when the PC gives her the mirror is heart-warming. And yes, I don't think growing up with Flemeth as her mother/mentor was a bowl of cherries and cream.

I found the conversation with Alistair quite intriguing. Morrigan definitely has a point, in that the chantry and the circle are much to blame for the mages flipping out and trying for freedom.

Convo spoilers dead ahead



  • Alistair: So tell me, was the Tower of Magi everything you thought it would be?
  • Morrigan: Abominations running rampant? Templars ready to slaughter every mage in sight? Yes, it rather met all my expectations.
  • Alistair: You don't think you might have been better off getting your training there? Instead of whatever your mother taught you?
  • Morrigan: You're right. My mother didn't nearly have as
    many abominations running about. That certainly would have improved my
    education.
  • Alistair: Hmm. I'll give you that one.
  • Morrigan: I'm so relieved.
End spoilers. Really

My PCs never allow the ritual, though. Simply because it's a huge decision with plenty of implications and possible consequences and Morrigan will not explain to my PC's satisfaction. Sorry Morri, but "That is all I will say", and "You do not need to know more" will not cut it.


When you do side quests for NPCs, do you ask for rewards?  My characters usualy do, and I think maybe that effects her aproval.  She's usualy pretty nuetral to me, and in a big moment like in the tower that people **** about so much, I only got a -3, which is nothing, really.  Dristen is the character I've played most with, and he's realy very sweet and friendly and well intenioned, but her dissaprovals have been infrequent and usualy pretty small.  Odd.

I might do the ritual... I mean... who's to say an old god will be inherantly evil?  It IS the vagueness of her explanation that is troubling...  But hmmm... I think when I play my mage, he'll go for it.  I'd like to go through with her romance with a mage, but I have a feeling Zevran will steal him away.  *sigh*  I'm already picturing it inside my head.


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#7002
Sabriana

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Yeah ES, my PC does ask for rewards. She has a group to arm and armor after all, and no one seems to want to give them things for free, even though they are fighting to keep Ferelden alive.

The reason that even though Morrigan disapproves, my PC and her usually end up as friends is their relationship. She gets her share of the loot (I play the presents to the NPCs as sharing what they liberate, and everyone gets what they favor most, especially the 'special' gifts).

My PC also talks to her, and she is never rude or nasty to any of the ally NPCs, and right enough, Morrigan's disapproval drops are usually small.

My PC usually ends up with everyone being friendly toward her. Well, except one, who loves her :)

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I missed this in my previous playthroughs but today when I went to the Dead Trenches for the first time and you get that neat little cutscene? Well, watching it, I always thought the breakaway was to you and Oghren, but I decided to play with it, and low and behold, you can get it to cut to you and Zevran, if he's the 3rd party member (I usually have him as my second, what can I say). The window to take the shot is really short (I could only get 1 off and I reloaded multiple times) before he stands up but it's so rare there's a good cutscene that you can get you and him in the same shot, I had to share. I think I like the first one better, since it sort of looks like he's about to pull me away from the edge.

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Modifié par Sresla, 11 mars 2010 - 09:21 .


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SurrealSadi

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Wonderful shots, Sresla! I do agree, the first does look better.

#7005
Sabriana

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*Blinks*

At first I thought it was double exposure, Sresla.

I do like your mage, and great shot. I love the cut-scene with my PC and Zevran side by side, but I'm never quick enough, darnit.

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Ooh, My mage is at Redcliffe. I get to kill Isolde and get Blood Mage finally.

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Sabriana

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Yay, let the fun begin, Sadi.

Of course, I chickened out with the BM specialty. I saved and reloaded. I am such a wuss when it comes to Connor. I can never justify him being either killed or leaving him to the demon to re-possess him later on. Maybe because I really dislike Isolde, and blame her for everything that happened in Redcliffe village/castle.

I did read somewhere that if the coercion of the PC is high enough, she can intimidate the demon, still get the BM spec, and therefore be sure the demon keeps her hands of the kid for good.

I have to try that sometime.

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I spared Loghain this time round and found it very easy for my male elf mage to justify.
  • He really could be very useful.  My warden had zero experience of leading armies, which was what I was going to have to do next.  Given more dialogue options, I would love to have had a detailed discussion on tactics with him before the final battle. 
  • My warden was very inexperienced as a Grey Warden.  Alistair was slightly more experienced, but not much, and had a habit of withholding information.  Riordan appeared to know what he was talking about and it made sense for me to consider his advice at least. 
  • Slaughtering him in front of his daughter was too brutal.   My first warden let Alistair do it, as a sort of gift to him, but found it sickening.   There wasn't such great urgency that it had to be done like that.  If Alistair had been prepared to wait to execute him later, I'd have considered it, but it was Alistair who would only allow the option of choosing him or Loghain.
  • Some of the things he says at the Landsmeet made me want to know more.  Killing him would take away any chance of questioning him. (And it did turn out to be very interesting having the chance to question him.)
  • At one point (and it may have before a reload,because I somehow managed to let Alistair execute Loghain despite trying not to and had to go back, so maybe my character didn't really hear it) Loghain said something about knowing all the soldiers who had died, and not wanting to lose any more.   I agreed with his thinking on that point, and knowing how he felt about it, my 'revenge' on him was to try to lead the armies through the final battle without losing any soldiers.   I didn't quite make it, but I really did want to talk to him after the Alienage was saved without a single life lost (he'd said it couldn't be saved).  
  • He surrendered, publicly. 
  • My warden didn't quite have the personal vendetta against him that Alistair did. (And didn't hero-worship Duncan).
I'm glad I spared him, because it was worth it for the conversations.   His approval went up quite a bit through the conversations, but I'd like to try another runthrough where I get it right up and see if he has anything new to say. I particularly liked his 'I thought you looked familiar' conversation with Zevran.   I'd rather listen to his voice than Alistair's anyway.  Anyway, I had no problem with my character sparing him - it seemed to be the best decision.  

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Sabriana wrote...

Yay, let the fun begin, Sadi.
Of course, I chickened out with the BM specialty. I saved and reloaded. I am such a wuss when it comes to Connor. I can never justify him being either killed or leaving him to the demon to re-possess him later on. Maybe because I really dislike Isolde, and blame her for everything that happened in Redcliffe village/castle.
I did read somewhere that if the coercion of the PC is high enough, she can intimidate the demon, still get the BM spec, and therefore be sure the demon keeps her hands of the kid for good.
I have to try that sometime.


I tried that, but I'd rushed to the Circle (I wanted to trigger Zevran as early as possible), and my coercion couldn't have been high enough.   I didn't want to reload because I wanted my warden to live with his decision.  As it was, the consequences weren't too bad.  Nobody was any the wiser.   I think the only big change was that Connor disappeared in the epilogue.  My thinking at the time was that if the demon came back, we could do the ritual again.

I loved using blood magic.  I used Zevran for my health pool because he so rarely takes any damage - I'd take his blood then heal him.   The blood wound spell was amazing.  

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Of course, in my own little fantasy world, Loghain would have been a romance option. It's the voice that does it, I think. I can see all sorts of reasons why it would be a bad idea, but I would love the opportunity to romance my enemy before we go off to kill the real enemy. I could have shown him what Zevran and I had learnt about preparing each other for battle. Or in fact, any flimsy excuse as to why a romance scene would be appropriate at that juncture would do. Those thoughts might have swayed me towards sparing Loghain, but I still maintain that my warden had good practical reasons for doing so.

Modifié par Sannox, 11 mars 2010 - 10:52 .


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I never spec'd any of mine as a BM, but I haven't played a mage yet, I guess I'm still not over my first (very silly) mage ;)

I have to try it, everybody seems to like the spells, and I want to see for myself. I read somewhere that even the ranger's summoned 'pets' can supply the blood for the mage, so I have to make Zevran a ranger, just to see that one. I've never done that before, I somehow can't see him as a ranger. Maybe because when my PC and her gang hit the forest, he says: "A forest. I'm a city boy, I think forests are filthy." (paraphrased). Cracks me up. Every time.

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@CZ No, Leliana will break up with you even at Friendly when you get married. It's funny, but that one is ignorable. She doesn't force you to choose! And it makes her feel better, dashing any hopes you had for her!

I've actually known people like that . . .

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Romancing Loghain you say? Not that unimaginable.. :3

@Sresla - I love your screenshots.

Edit: BTW yesterday my dwarf met Duncan and thinks he is very handsome... just checking if there is actually overlap here with Duncan fans :P

Now I really need to make up something on topic ... maybe a  sexy Zevran drawing later...

Modifié par Minaleth, 11 mars 2010 - 11:52 .


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I'm doing bloodmage again. People either love or hate it. It's very weak at first because you need to put points into constitution instead of willpower, but once you get your last spell, you're unstoppable. I have no problem making Zevran a ranger. He is half Dalish, after all, and spent a bit of time with them when he was young.



Then again, I can't make him an archer.

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Minaleth wrote...

Romancing Loghain you say? Not that unimaginable.. :3

@Sresla - I love your screenshots.

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I would totally romance Loghain.  Not every time, but, yeh.  There's something about him which is so hot in a psycho insane type way.

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ejoslin wrote...
There's something about him which is so hot in a psycho insane type way.

Me agrees and me thinks this will have the people here in common, at least some of us... :3 :3

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Am I really REALLY pathetic for knowing that Sresla has Zevran in party slot 4? Gah, I have been playing this game FAR too much.

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You never know when this information comes in handy.

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I didn't realise how the party slots affected what you see. I will have to play around with that. It will make a change from positioning Zevran on stairs so that I can see what he looks like looking up at me and then looking down at me.

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It affects cutscenes for sure. It also affects things like at the story teller in the Dalish camp and Danyla.

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ejoslin wrote...

Am I really REALLY pathetic for knowing that Sresla has Zevran in party slot 4? Gah, I have been playing this game FAR too much.


(whispers) Slot 3, for that particular shot.

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Sresla wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Am I really REALLY pathetic for knowing that Sresla has Zevran in party slot 4? Gah, I have been playing this game FAR too much.


(whispers) Slot 3, for that particular shot.


Ooops.  I feel better now :wub:

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Good morning all ;D

Sabriana wrote...

Yay, let the fun begin, Sadi.
Of course, I chickened out with the BM specialty. I saved and reloaded. I am such a wuss when it comes to Connor. I can never justify him being either killed or leaving him to the demon to re-possess him later on. Maybe because I really dislike Isolde, and blame her for everything that happened in Redcliffe village/castle.
I did read somewhere that if the coercion of the PC is high enough, she can intimidate the demon, still get the BM spec, and therefore be sure the demon keeps her hands of the kid for good.
I have to try that sometime.

Might have been me -- my mage did that, and boy was it satisfying. XD  Ms. Desire Demon is a bit put out to be intimidated. ;D

Buuut he reloaded anyway, because what happened to Jowan ensured that he will never become a Blood Mage. :|


Re: Loghain, he really is a lot less psycho after you spare him, IMO anyway. XD; He really does expect you to hate him, though.  Which is fair enough.  You get some good approval for being ballsy when talking with him at some points. XD

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Oh, that explains why Zevran sat at my feet in the Dalish camp the first time round but didn't the second time then (I was disappointed ).

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Yeh, dalish camp, he has to be in slot 2. I even re-loaded because I forgot to move them around. Pathetic? Who're you calling pathetic?