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[KnightofPhoenix]

As a sidenote, does anyone like how Zevran pronounces "ch" or "sh"? Like when he says "touCH" or "fleSH".

[ejoslin]

Oh, slot two for the sacrifice kiss as well, if you want Zevran looking on. Slot two and three show during the final blow as well.

[ejoslin]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

As a sidenote, does anyone like how Zevran pronounces "ch" or "sh"? Like when he says "touCH" or "fleSH".

I actually love his voice, and love the accent.  I know many people find it annoying, but not I.

[Sabriana]

I have to explore that desire demon a bit more, aside from trying the 'intimidation' tactic. It seems she has far more tricks up her sleeve.

I do like letting him live, and he is definitely less paranoid, Jenovan. I'm guessing he now trusts the GW to do what is best for his beloved Ferelden. I'm sorry, but I just can bring myself to make my PC execute him for several reasons.

Thank goodness I don't have to take any consideration toward the Alistair romance, because at that point he's never the LI for my PC. I never have allowed her to agree to the ritual though. I just can't bring myself to do that. It feels, well, weird, especially because Morrigan will not explain well enough.

[soulsweeper87]

I'd love to be able to at least flirt with Loghain, so I don't think you're weird at all, Sannox My mage spared him mostly because he was her childhood hero and she'd hate to see him die in disgrace. While other kids usually admired Maric, she read everything she could about Loghain and always liked him the most, despite his flaws, or maybe because of them. That's how I RP it, anyway.Besides, she didn't forget that Loghain was willing to give mages more freedom. Uldred's deeds weren't his fault, were they?
I'm going to use this character for my first Awekening playthrough, so I'm glad that Loghain will be there. I wonder if Wynne appears too. I rather hope darkspawn got her when she left.Generally, I'm not a Wynne-hater, but some of my characters definitely like her less than others, including my current lady Aeducan. She is king's daughter, she had LOTS of responsibilities in her life and really doesn't need anyone to preach about them constantly. Even so, she took Wynne to the Urn with her and it was totally worth it. I love the speech Guardian gives to her, but the best thing ever happened during the Gauntlet's second trial, when characters have to fight with their shadow selves. Basically, Shadow Wynne was killed by PC and at the same time real Wynne got her ass kicked by Shadow PC 

Regarding Zevran, recently I was thinking about him and jealousy, or lack thereof. He claims not to be a jealous type and indeed, he doesn't seem to disapprove when PC is happily sleeping around. But lets assume for a moment that several years have passed and PC is some kind of sexoholic who finds new lovers every week and doesn't even feel guilty about it. How would Zevran react? Do you think he wouldn't mind his beloved's affairs, as long as he/she still loves him and cares for him? Or perhaps cheating would bother him after all? If so, would he stay in such a toxic relationship or leave? PC may have been the best thing that happened to him, compared to life with the Crows, but as he'd learn more about 'normal' life and relationships, perhaps he'd see it's just not good enough?
Personally, I can't see Zevran being absolutely OK with this kind of "open and free" relationship, not after he fell in love with the PC. I think sex with him/her becomes special to him and he can't separate it from feelings anymore. Thoughts?

[AndreaDraco]

I certainly think that sex with the Warden becomes something really special for him, since he loves him/her. But, as I see it, it's possible that he could also enjoy casual sex with others, and I'm totally OK with it (see also the Isabela affair, if you pursue the triangle/quadrangle), as long as his love is exclusively for the Warden

[ejoslin]

In truth, Soulsweeper, I suppose this would depend on how you RP the Zevran romance. That sex DOES have meaning for him is a major, major change in him -- I think he would want, if not complete monogamy (which is how I RP it), then at least that he be included in the extracurricular activities.

Cheating is cheating only if the partner doesn't know about it or doesn't agree to it. Having sex with other people is not necessarily cheating. But I tend to agree with you. Sex does become an expression of love for him. I don't think he would need anyone else in the relationship for sure.

Wynne will have a cameo in Awakenings from what i understand.

Modifié par ejoslin, 11 mars 2010 - 01:12 .

[Sabriana]

Well, that he can't separate it any more is shown by his refusal to her invitation for 'tent' time. Personally, I don't see him as just letting it happen, the longer the relationship goes on. I also don't buy his "Jealous? No, not me" spiel, to me the chuckle sounds half-charmed and half-fake. Although, he is talking about another romanced NPC, so there is a difference there.

[ejoslin]

I think his "Jealous, not I" spiel is more that it never even occurred to him that's what he is feeling. I do think he's jealous there. But as you say it's not of the sex, it's of the Warden having a close relationship with someone else.



Another reason I think he was falling in love the entire time (hahahaha, yes, back to yesterday) is that you can tell Wynne you saw the tenderness in his gaze the entire time. I think that he can't keep it from showing all the time goes along with he just couldn't fight it any more.

[Sabriana]

True, Ejoslin. He would not be able to identify jealousy until he gets his nose pushed into it, so to speak. Yes, the more I think about it the more sense it makes. He suddenly realizes that he does feel jealousy. Wow, poor guy. What a bunch of new emotions suddenly open up in him, and he can identify none.



Yes, the Wynne apology convinced me too. He started falling early on, fought it, but in the end he lost the inner struggle. He had to surrender, even though all he knew about real affection is that it is 'reckless' and a big no-no for an assassin.

[Minaleth]

ejoslin wrote...
I think his "Jealous, not I" spiel is more that it never even occurred to him that's what he is feeling. I do think he's jealous there. But as you say it's not of the sex, it's of the Warden having a close relationship with someone else.

He says he is no cheat in that dialogue and I think that means he doesn't like the other person to be in love/relationship with the Warden at the same time and not know about Zevran. If you buy this then he might be not jealous. On the other hand he could be and he is just trying to resolve the situation without him admitting his true feelings (yet). I think this is again completely ambiguous and gives the player space for interpretation and different ropleplay.

[Ahisgewaya]

ejoslin wrote...

I actually love his voice, and love the accent.  I know many people find it annoying, but not I.

I also like his accent. While he will never be a romance in my games, I still keep him in my party most of the time. He's very funny. I love when he tells Loghain "By the way, I failed in my mission."  And when he tells Shale he would fling feces at a statue if given sufficient cause to do so.

[Sabriana]

I could also be both, Minaleth.

On the 'once committed and having sex elsewhere', I don't play it that way. Once the warden and Zevran are in a committed relationship, it will be monogamous in all aspects.

Personally, I don't mind having a (well-protected) fling, but when it is a committed relationship, I no longer separate body and soul. But that's just my personal opinion, just like everyone else has one, and that is all good.

[soulsweeper87]

Well, I definitely don't see him suddenly becoming conservative. I'm sure he'd enjoy triangles/quadrangles etc, as long as PC wants it too. I'm talking about pretty extreme situation with a rather manipulative and abusive Warden, who perhaps doesn't even love Zev all that much. Not that I'd ever want to RP any of my characters this way, but it is possible. You know, the kind of psychos who'd do and say all the right things just to be able to use you? I just hope Zevran would be able to see it as some point. Hmm, I have lots of evil ideas today.

Modifié par soulsweeper87, 11 mars 2010 - 01:43 .

[ejoslin]

Minaleth wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
I think his "Jealous, not I" spiel is more that it never even occurred to him that's what he is feeling. I do think he's jealous there. But as you say it's not of the sex, it's of the Warden having a close relationship with someone else.

He says he is no cheat in that dialogue and I think that means he doesn't like the other person to be in love/relationship with the Warden at the same time and not know about Zevran. If you buy this then he might be not jealous. On the other hand he could be and he is just trying to resolve the situation without him admitting his true feelings (yet). I think this is again completely ambiguous and gives the player space for interpretation and different ropleplay.

Absolutely.  You can RP the Zevran romance in many ways.  But of course, everyone DOES know about the Warden and Zevran, and in fact, if you go to him, you can also get him to say it's not fair to string Alistair/Leliana along which has yet a different connotation.  

I think the only thing that is really clear from that conversation is how he expects to be dumped.  He gets that heartbroken face -- and he is so relieved if the warden does pick him.

Edit: And I still think Zevran is jealous of the Warden being in a caring relationship with someone else.  That doesn't mean he's jealous about the sex.  And in fact, Alistair doesn't mind the Warden having sex with others either (at least not Cammen) -- he only minds when the warden and Zevran go to Adore as well. Since the sex happens out in the open, everyone has to be aware of it.

Modifié par ejoslin, 11 mars 2010 - 01:41 .

[Sabriana]

Oh noes. That might certainly break him if he ever found out that the Warden uses him just like everyone else did all his life. Oh my, I don't even want to think about it.

Conservative? Perhaps not, but it would be with the Warden, and her alone, I can quite imagine them finding several un-conservative actions together. I do agree with you on the 'as long as the PC wants it', though Soulsweeper.

[ejoslin]

I absolutely love how the Zevran romance can be RP'ed in so many ways. You can have it casual until the very end (though, ummm, that sucks as he never falls in love and never becomes friendly), you can have it deeply committed from the start, or so many variations in between those two extremes, and there are dialogs to support all of them. And if you want to end up betrothed you can, but if you don't want to, you can avoid that whole thing as well in a couple of ways.

The writing on it is so fabulous.

Modifié par ejoslin, 11 mars 2010 - 01:46 .

[Tinnic]

Well once you get to know Zevran, you find out he's a nice person underneath. But it is hard saying no to Alistair, I have to say. But I think they are both great guys. RL, I would probably prefer someone like Alistair to Zevran but if the ending epilogue proves anything, it's that Zevran is capable of deeper love then even Prince Charming Alistair. Or rather, wounds deeper when his love is lost.

[jenovan]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

As a sidenote, does anyone like how Zevran pronounces "ch" or "sh"? Like when he says "touCH" or "fleSH".

I definitely notice it, but I'm not sure if I can say I like it or not. XD  It's definitely one of the more salient parts of his distinctive accent...

Sabriana wrote...

I have to explore that desire demon a bit more, aside from trying the 'intimidation' tactic. It seems she has far more tricks up her sleeve.
I do like letting him live, and he is definitely less paranoid, Jenovan. I'm guessing he now trusts the GW to do what is best for his beloved Ferelden. I'm sorry, but I just can bring myself to make my PC execute him for several reasons.

It's very disappointing to choose "desire" from the desire demon...  Ah well. ;D  Left as an exercise for the player's imagination, i suppose XD

Loghain actually says as much even if you execute him... gah.  He trusts the Warden to handle the country well.  It's like once he loses the Landsmeet, the crazy kind of drains out of him.  I wonder how that's going to affect my PCs who actually go in wanting to kill him...

[soulsweeper87]

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: And I still think Zevran is jealous of the Warden being in a caring relationship with someone else.  That doesn't mean he's jealous about the sex.  And in fact, Alistair doesn't mind the Warden having sex with others either (at least not Cammen) -- he only minds when the warden and Zevran go to Adore as well. Since the sex happens out in the open, everyone has to be aware of it.

That's true, though Alistair's lack of reaction always strikes me as odd and ooc. Therefore, I like to think that PC actually doesn't do such things openly, at least not until relationship becomes serious. It's also creepy when you're having fun at the Pearl and everyone waits just outside your room 

[soulsweeper87]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

As a sidenote, does anyone like how Zevran pronounces "ch" or "sh"? Like when he says "touCH" or "fleSH".

Oh, I love it  Actually, I think Slavic people have very similar accent when they (we) speak English. I know I can fake it pretty well 

[Sannox]

I have wondered about the jealousy.

I was playing around with the dialogue options when my male warden invites him to his tent. If you keep choosing indirect approaches, Zevran backs off and essentially pushes you into being more honest and direct (if you want him). I think it would be underhand of him to insist on honesty from you, then lie about his own jealousy. So I don't think he is lying. (Although he could be telling the truth as he sees it, but be jealous without knowing it).

My male character was 'unfaithful' all the way through, and it didn't seem to bother Zevran at all. I think he only objects when both he and the other companion are above a certain approval rating (70?). He will insist you choose. But if you dump him (and here it becomes more difficult to equate it to real life situation) his approval drops and he seems happy to go back to sex again, while you're with the other character.

On my last playthrough I had him at love (after the proposal) and I was sleeping with Morrigan and neither seemed to mind. In fact, they discussed it with each other, quite happily. I think he may be just genuinely lacking in jealousy. My male character took up every opportunity that was available (which was interesting to roleplay!), and Zevran never disapproved.

I think he would go along with what the warden wanted, happily, and if the warden wanted other casual partners, that would be fine with him.

[Sannox]

soulsweeper87 wrote...

That's true, though Alistair's lack of reaction always strikes me as odd and ooc. Therefore, I like to think that PC actually doesn't do such things openly, at least not until relationship becomes serious. It's also creepy when you're having fun at the Pearl and everyone waits just outside your room 

Yes, and you have to answer the door naked.   I'd grab a sheet or something, at least.  

The Pearl creeped me out when I first went with my female dwarf.  She went to some guy's room, everything blacked out and she woke up alone, naked and covered in blood.   I hate to think what she'd done with the body. 

[Sabriana]

My only mage PC is the silly one, the others were all rogues and warriors. So I'll have to build one, or just use the one I built for the first ZevranASAP mod test. Morrigan does the honors of going in, although she does her "Morrigan disapproves -1" thing. I'm guessing it's because my PC didn't ask her first. Well, Morrigan my dear, complain to BioWare. I don't have the option to have my PC ask you first.

Anyway, Morrigan doesn't get the option to bargain, she's quite short with the demon.



I will always pretend that the sex-scene isn't partially outdoors. That's just plain weird. My PC isn't an exhibitionist at any rate, she doesn't want to entertain the whole camp, just herself and Zevran, pfeh.

[sami jo]

I don't think Allistair's lack of reaction is because his feelings don't run deep. If he is on the throne, duty drives him. I think the fact that he becomes a wandering drunkard if he isn't on the throne and the Warden dies suggests that his feelings are actually very deep. There is a conversation option if he has broken up with you after becoming king when you ask him to do Morrigan's ritual in which you can tell him he should do it because you love him. He seems very surprised that you do still love him and tells you that he will always love you. It's very sweet. And he won't let a romanced or previously romanced PC sacrifice herself. He's just very much about "doing the right thing" and duty. Without those and without the PC he ends up even worse than Zev.