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[AndreaDraco]

I must point out that I was talking mainly about Zev: my Wardens are not interested in pursuing sex elsewhere than Zevran, but my Wardens will be OK if, occasionally, he has some other casual-sex one-timers. As long as Zevran loves the Warden as much as the Warden loves him, of course.



This is motivated not only by his totally non-conservative nature, but also because of his liberal views of sex. I agree that sex with the Warden is something really special to him, but that doesn't mean that he can't enjoy less special, less committed sex from time to time

[ejoslin]

@Tinnic I have no problems saying "no" to Alistair. I like the character, but not as a romance partner. And Zevran's love is different than Alistair's. Zevran is a very different type of man -- much stronger, more a survivor. Alistair wants to find someone to love and to love him back, Zevran fights it with every bit of his being.



Both romances are beautiful in their own way, but Zevran's just strikes me more of a love between two adults and equals, whereas I don't get that feeling with Alistair. You do get far prettier words with Alistair, but I get deeper meaning from what Zevran says. His ". . . everything I have been taught tells me what I feel is wrong. Yet I cannot help it," caries, at least to me, far more meaning than any "I love you," coming from the other romance partners.

[Sabriana]

Well, that's just the beauty of it, Andrea. The romance can be handled by each player individually. I just play it as him being exclusive to her and vice versa. All styles are right, there is no wrong, and I love that part of the game.

As for Zevran being at love and tolerating others, I've never had that happen. But then again, I've never had my PC dump him either. Alistair yes, Zevran no.

[Sannox]

There is one option where you ask him if he loves you and says something like 'I don't know. How would someone know such a thing?' that almost feels more special than an 'I love you'. I'm not sure why.

[soulsweeper87]

I will always pretend that the sex-scene isn't partially outdoors. That's just plain weird. My PC isn't an exhibitionist at any rate, she doesn't want to entertain the whole camp, just herself and Zevran, pfeh.

I usually pretend that they are outdoors, but far from the camp. The alternative is just too disturbing. Once, with Leliana, camera actually caught Oghren standing nearby in plain sight, while the girls were busy doing their thing. 

[ejoslin]

Sannox wrote...

There is one option where you ask him if he loves you and says something like 'I don't know. How would someone know such a thing?' that almost feels more special than an 'I love you'. I'm not sure why.

That's where I'm talking about. *grin* what I quoted comes RIGHT after that!  Same dialog, though.  When he declares his feelings.  SO sweet.

Edit: of course. When do I not?

Modifié par ejoslin, 11 mars 2010 - 02:18 .

[jenovan]

Sannox wrote...

The Pearl creeped me out when I first went with my female dwarf.  She went to some guy's room, everything blacked out and she woke up alone, naked and covered in blood.   I hate to think what she'd done with the body. 

Blood?! Was this one of the "surprise me" options, or...?

*cough* Speaking of the Pearl, has anyone ever noticed that the elven "craftspeople" seem to enjoy their work more than everyone else?  (Or maybe they just pretend to... which is kind of depressing...)

Sannox wrote...

I have wondered about the jealousy.
I was playing around with the dialogue options when my male warden invites him to his tent. If you keep choosing indirect approaches, Zevran backs off and essentially pushes you into being more honest and direct (if you want him). I think it would be underhand of him to insist on honesty from you, then lie about his own jealousy. So I don't think he is lying. (Although he could be telling the truth as he sees it, but be jealous without knowing it).
My male character was 'unfaithful' all the way through, and it didn't seem to bother Zevran at all. I think he only objects when both he and the other companion are above a certain approval rating (70?). He will insist you choose. But if you dump him (and here it becomes more difficult to equate it to real life situation) his approval drops and he seems happy to go back to sex again, while you're with the other character.
On my last playthrough I had him at love (after the proposal) and I was sleeping with Morrigan and neither seemed to mind. In fact, they discussed it with each other, quite happily. I think he may be just genuinely lacking in jealousy. My male character took up every opportunity that was available (which was interesting to roleplay!), and Zevran never disapproved.
I think he would go along with what the warden wanted, happily, and if the warden wanted other casual partners, that would be fine with him.

The key is definitely that Adore threshold (71).  Until then, I imagine that Zevran (or whoever) sees the other relationship as purely casual.  What the companions seem to get jealous of is emotional commitment.  Once they feel very strongly for you, they get more concerned.  I dunno about Leliana, but Morrigan will flat out admit she's acting jealous (it's interesting because it confuses her and she doesn't like it... XD).  Zevran does try to make it sound like it's about the other person, and I think, given his past, he expects to be dumped, which is really quite touching and sad.   I think he might be jealous, although he may not exactly realize it... or want to admit it, even to himself.  Admitting to jealousy would be almost as bad as admitting to love -- it implies a level of commitment he doesn't want to allow himself to have.

Or something. XD  This part of the relationship is wonderfully open to interpretation. XD

[Charsen]

Ahh you guys had some great discussions last night. =)

BTW Sadi - even Dog has an agenda. Those Mabari crunches are addictive, you know!

Nice screenshots, Sresla. I'll have to move Zevran to position 3 for the next run of the deep trenches.

Yeah... the Pearl was kinda weird all around. I think I went there once, said "surprise me", got a scarecrow or something... that was funny. But not even a tease from the scoobies! I wanted to set Alistair up with some sweet lovin' but alas, that was not available either. "Not for me, for the skittish blonde over there. Whatever he gets, make sure it's messy." Nothing? Man. Sorry, Al, Anora it is. I hope you like the cold.

Modifié par Charsen, 11 mars 2010 - 02:21 .

[ejoslin]

@jenovan That is how it feels to me as well. It just never occurred to him that he could be jealous.

What I actually like about that, is if you challenge him about how casual it is "We've had our fun?" "Our flirtation has been fun?" "It would be that easy?" "If that's what you want," it becomes clear that is IS more than that to him, that there really is something between them.

Edit: Since I haven't said it since yesterday, Charsen   I just left Lothering on my mage.  

Am I annoying you yet?  

Modifié par ejoslin, 11 mars 2010 - 02:22 .

[sami jo]

Romancing Morrigan and another character at the same time is worth it just for the party banter when both love interests are with you. My first character was romancing Morrigan, Lel and Zev at the same time and I ran around with the three of them for an hour or more just triggering snarky comments. I love how Zev handles her. Morrigan is one of the few companions who really seems to respect Zev. She was actually pretty nice when I dumped her for him.

[AndreaDraco]

About the screenshots Sresla posted... does the party position also influence who comments on the environments? Or this feature is measure in an entire different way? I mean, I read from Sabriana that Zevran says something about living in a city (opposed to the forest), but I never heard such a comment.

[ejoslin]

I really do need to play Aedan, I see. That's the one thing you don't get from a female warden -- cat fights. Well, Zevran's advice to Alistair can come off as horribly catty, especially if you've dumped Alistair for Zevran, but that's definitely only Alistair romance related.

[ejoslin]

AndreaDraco wrote...

About the screenshots Sresla posted... does the party position also influence who comments on the environments? Or this feature is measure in an entire different way? I mean, I read from Sabriana that Zevran says something about living in a city (opposed to the forest), but I never heard such a comment.

It's just random.  You may want to try just partnering with Zevran -- he has great comments like that everywhere.  I wish it were party position dependent.  

[jenovan]

Heh, I'm still wondering if Morrigan and Zevran's banter, where Zevran is quite suspicious of Morrigan, is romantic jealousy or not, because I've only seen it once, and was romancing both of them.  It makes plenty of sense that way, but I suppose you could look at it as a friendship-level commentary from Zev, too.  (Morri definitely has to be romanced.)
(Hmm, according to the wiki, it IS a dual-romance dialogue. Hot XD)


Zevran: I see your friendship with the Grey Warden is going very well.
Morrigan: As is yours.
Zevran: A-ha! Then you know?
Morrigan: I am not a fool, if you thought me one.
Zevran: I do not think you a fool, my lovely woman. We are not so dissimilar, after all. I know what you are doing.
Morrigan: And what is it that you think I am doing? Besides the Grey Warden that is.
Zevran: Biding your time, naturally. But for what, I wonder?
Morrigan: Why don't you ask him, if you're so curious.
Zevran: I doubt that he even knows. I am content to wait and see for myself, however.
Morrigan: Then don't bring it up again.


Morri's line about doing the Warden cracks me up every time.

Modifié par jenovan, 11 mars 2010 - 02:32 .

[soulsweeper87]

Wow, this reminds me of good old Baldur's Gate days. I have to finally play as a male warden, sounds like fun.

[Sabriana]

Yeah Andrea, I'm guessing it's who runs the trigger first. I also once had Morrigan say something like "A forest? Again? I thought I was rid of them." on my first play-through. Ever since then, I was lucky enough to be able to hear Zevran. (Not that I put everyone on hold and select only the PC and then Zevran or something weird like that).

Hehe, Morrigan. Love her or hate her, but she has some great lines.

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Yeah Andrea, I'm guessing it's who runs the trigger first. I also once had Morrigan say something like "A forest? Again? I thought I was rid of them." on my first play-through. Ever since then, I was lucky enough to be able to hear Zevran. (Not that I put everyone on hold and select only the PC and then Zevran or something weird like that).
Hehe, Morrigan. Love her or hate her, but she has some great lines.

THAT works?  Argh, and I actually partnered the game with Zevran to get all the dialogs.  *sigh* <3

Edit: That will make Sten and the child dialog so much easier to get now.

Modifié par ejoslin, 11 mars 2010 - 02:44 .

[Sabriana]

I certainly hope it works for you. I certainly hope it still works for me, remember, my game was seriously glitched. I did get Zevran's "we haven't met their master yet" in the ruined temple, but I didn't advance him solo, it just happened.

I'm about to start a new game. I hope it still works. On the other hand, Leliana hasn't ninja-loved my PC once after the re-install. But if it killed my little sneak-around, I'm not sure I like the trade-off.

[Charsen]

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: Since I haven't said it since yesterday, Charsen   I just left Lothering on my mage.  
Am I annoying you yet?  

 I am glad it's working out!  It was very fun to get back into mods, especially ones for Zev.

My last midterm is tonight, but I already did my spring break party celebration last night, wewt!! So my schedule clears up mostly by saturday (after I drive cross country to surprise my mum on her b-day). I hope to release the smaller Zev mod before Awakening comes out, and then the larger mod will be incrementally released afterward since it is much more complicated... but I am 70% sure it will cause a squee everytime.

[Sabriana]

*signs up for beta testing*

[soulsweeper87]

I was going to try Zevran ASAP mod with my new HNF, but I want her to romance Ser Gilmore (yes, beta is now available!). Will she be able to resist Zevran's charms if he's with her almost from the beginning? Hmm, choices, choices...

[Sannox]

Jenovan, I'm not sure if that is jealousy. I didn't hear it that way when I got that banter. There are a couple of other conversations that he has with Morrigan where he seems to be letting her know that he knows she has some secret agenda. And in fact, it turns out that part of her agenda is seducing the male warden, so he's right.

He's pretty sharp sometimes. I think it's Zevran who realises that Sten is a rank rather than a name.

[Swifty]

Nonvita wrote...

Swifty wrote...

When Loghain said, "It is harder to send others to die than it is to die yourself because you have to live with it" truer words were never spoken. When it came time for him to sacrifice I wanted to stop him. Watching him do it, after seeing what was under all the bluster, was incredibly painful. Far more painful that USing myself.

I suppose if I were playing a character that did it for practical reasons the impact would be much different. But playing it from the viewpoint of a character who believes all life is sacred and all deserve redemption, watching him jump the dragon was excruciating. It time locked into taking forever for the cut scene, if that makes any sense.

This is definitely making me want to play my mage more than ever since she'll spare Loghain. I decided to put off buying Awakening so I can play through the characters I want to get through first, so she'll be my high priority. I can't wait to finally have Loghain as a companion and try to understand a little more about him.



Well, it's off to bed. Two tests tomorrow and then it's basically Spring Break. Woot!

Good luck with your tests!

And the reason some folks are Loghain fans and/or want him as a romance option will become apparent if you get up his approval and talk to him. Next to Zev he's the most interesting character in the game. That's when you realize he's abrasive, not devious. He hides nothing--he spits it right out and doesn't care who likes him or not. I imagine that's one of the reasons the nobles are none too crazy over him.

And if you let him jump the dragon it's really touching.

[mousestalker]

Not to kill the Zevran mojo, but is there an upper limit or cap to the number of pages a topic can have? Is 283 anywhere near that limit?

[ejoslin]

[quote]Sannox wrote...

I have wondered about the jealousy.
I was playing around with the dialogue options when my male warden invites him to his tent. If you keep choosing indirect approaches, Zevran backs off and essentially pushes you into being more honest and direct (if you want him). I think it would be underhand of him to insist on honesty from you, then lie about his own jealousy. So I don't think he is lying. (Although he could be telling the truth as he sees it, but be jealous without knowing it).
My male character was 'unfaithful' all the way through, and it didn't seem to bother Zevran at all. I think he only objects when both he and the other companion are above a certain approval rating (70?). He will insist you choose. But if you dump him (and here it becomes more difficult to equate it to real life situation) his approval drops and he seems happy to go back to sex again, while you're with the other character.
On my last playthrough I had him at love (after the proposal) and I was sleeping with Morrigan and neither seemed to mind. In fact, they discussed it with each other, quite happily. I think he may be just genuinely lacking in jealousy. My male character took up every opportunity that was available (which was interesting to roleplay!), and Zevran never disapproved.
I think he would go along with what the warden wanted, happily, and if the warden wanted other casual partners, that would be fine with him. [/quote]

[/quote]

Wait a second -- does THIS happen?  I have never EVER been able to take Zevran to the tent if he's not romanced, and as soon as the romance hits 71+ Adore for two of them, you are still forced to choose.  

Is it a male playthrough thing?  Because with a female, if he's at Warm or Friendly, you most certainly cannot take him to the tent.  He'll go to the tent at 26+ interested (so low approval), but not at any stage of warm or friendly.  Usually, though not always, after I dump him, I cannot turn the romance back on either.  Occasionally I can. But dumped, he will NOT go to the tent with a FemWarden unless the romance is turned back on.

Edit: IN truth, I would be really surprised if a male warden could take Zev to the tent not romanced -- that would cause TONS of screaming from guys who have Zev in friend zone and no interest in taking it further.  I have no clue about Morrigan, but I think when her approval gets too high she refuses the tent completely.  

Second edit: Sannox, are you certain you were just didn't turn the romance back on?  If you do that with Zevran, you still will be forced to choose again eventually as each trip to the tent gets you +1 approval, so it can't go on indefinitely if you're romancing someone else. 

Modifié par ejoslin, 11 mars 2010 - 03:29 .