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[ejoslin]

Yeh, I usually change Zevran into a cunning rogue so lockpicking with him is fine. Yes, Leliana is better at it I suppose because she gets bonuses to cunning. But really, all you need is 30 points cunning to be able to pick locks at 4 levels of lockpicking to be able to open any chest.



And Sabriana, there's NOTHING but a really mean comment here from a very evil person to suggest that will be Zev's fate.



Haven unlocks itself. Just exit and go back in.

[Minaleth]

I have never taken any advice on building (once you get the basics it's simple math), heck I don't even cook following the recipe why should I build RPG character like this? I only point this out, because it shows what devs might have on their minds when creating the character.

[ejoslin]

*grin* I take LOTS of advice on building! I give it as well. My first character I didn't, and she was awful. Points spread out all over the place in really stupid ways. If I couldn't respec Zevran, I'd still get the 30 points into cunning and buy books for him for his lockpick skill.

Edit: Now I know how to build characters, but I read a LOT when I first started.  Granted, there's a lot of bad advice out there.  I remember reading a thread here telling people not to make a bloodmage because you need to spread points between willpower and constitution.  /facepalm.  My bloodmage is at I believe 20 willpower and won't be getting another point into it -- pumping up magic and constitution now.  The additional hitpoints will help her when I make an arcane warrior -- and what's best about this combo is the sustainables will come out of her mana supply, but her casting will come out of her health, which will end up higher than the tank's health.  Win/win!

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 mars 2010 - 11:42 .

[Herr Uhl]

ejoslin wrote...

And Sabriana, there's NOTHING but a really mean comment here from a very evil person to suggest that will be Zev's fate.

Who?

[ejoslin]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

And Sabriana, there's NOTHING but a really mean comment here from a very evil person to suggest that will be Zev's fate.

Who?

Oh, who do I call evil around here?  Cuddlezarro of course!  And the context was me angsting over how many playthroughs I've had.  *grin* I suggested if I didn't like awakenings I could probably stop playing this game, and he suggested I wouldn't like awakenings if there was THAT in it.

Because he's evil. 

[Sabriana]

*is relieved*
I couldn't find anything but vague remarks, and a post (yours, Ejoslin?) saying that a dead and tortured Zevran would cure you, so phew.

I didn't know that about Haven, thanks. I remember my first playthrough when Leliana couldn't unlock the chest (remember, silly mage, Alistair besotted, didn't always take Zevran, knew nothing about respec mods, etc). I didn't even know the boots were in there, but it was still frustrating. I wish I'd known then.

I have a lot of fun playing around with building characters. Exept characters I know nothing about. I already knew, through countless other RPGs, that DEX is usually more important than CON.

Ye can't get hurt if ye don't get hit, you know. Other than that, I had fun messing with Alistair, Leliana, Zevran, and Oghren. Shale and dog usually get continued (STR/CON).

*echoing Herr Uhl*
Who?

Edited because I should've known. I shall be looking for Nonvita's shoes once again, CZ.

Modifié par Sabriana, 12 mars 2010 - 12:06 .

[ejoslin]

Yeh, that's why my bloodmage ends up with higher hitpoints than my tank -- tank gets dex, bloodmage gets con.

Edit: Now I'm getting blamed for CZ's pure evilness!  He's more evil than I thought!

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 mars 2010 - 12:11 .

[Sabriana]

Oh the bloodmage. I've yet to try that one, but I certainly will. See, I would've made the mistake of pumping WIL into her, mistakenly thinking that she would draw from willpower.

I just took a peek at your FAQ. I haven't done that for a long while, and, wow, just wow. What a lot of work you put in that, Ejoslin.

*is very impressed*

[Charsen]

sami jo wrote...

@Charsen: You are an evil tempter. I just rewarded myself for grading midterms by purchasing a new PC and DA:O for it--all because of your mods. It's your fault! If my husband appears on your doorstep requesting his wife back, I am not responsible.

!!! the pressure !!! 

well, that is an awesome reward, actually. I finished taking & grading midterms yesterday, and my reward will be a chance to sit down and sink my teeth into zevmods. is it sad that i'm more excited about that than awakening?

....so... is your husband hot?
just kidding! ...*flee* 

Modifié par Charsen, 12 mars 2010 - 12:22 .

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Oh the bloodmage. I've yet to try that one, but I certainly will. See, I would've made the mistake of pumping WIL into her, mistakenly thinking that she would draw from willpower.
I just took a peek at your FAQ. I haven't done that for a long while, and, wow, just wow. What a lot of work you put in that, Ejoslin.
*is very impressed*

Thank you, Sabriana.  I worry it's a bit too long, but I don't know what could be cut.  It was definitely a lot of fun to write (*squee*); it's even better that it's helpful.

Edit: @Charsen, Coffee ALL over my keyboard!  I really need to stay away from these boards while drinking anything! 

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 mars 2010 - 12:26 .

[Charsen]

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: @Charsen, Coffee ALL over my keyboard!  I really need to stay away from these boards while drinking anything!

you know, they should make a waterproof keyboard anyway. i'm positive there is a market for that.

[Sabriana]

*looks around for something to throw at Charsen*

Thanks, pal. I just drew the attention of everyone in the area. Laughing out loud for no apparent reason is dangerous in my line of work, don't you know.

But I forgive you. After all, you're my new hero. Tested ZevranASAP # 2 and it worked as advertised. Got the cut-scene of Denerim, followed by the Zevran/Loghain/Howe one, and ran into Zevran after leaving the camp (the nightmare one).

Hurrah for Charsen.

*throws her sandwich at Charsen, because she can't find anything else, and doesn't want to throw something hard*

There goes my lunch...

[soulsweeper87]

My bloodmage relies mostly on willpower. She turns the "blood magic" on only to cast blood wound or control or when she's running low on mana. Is there an advantage to casting normal spells using blood magic? Or is it just RP/convenience choice?

[ejoslin]

The advantage to using health, if you have high health, is that you can have sustainables going constantly, you use blood sacrifice to keep your health topped -- you end up never having to use potions at ALL. And if you're an arcane warrior as well, that is MAJOR since mana is always a problem.

Edit: Plus high health is always a good thing.  Really, when your blood mage has over 300 hitpoints, they're a lot less vulnerable, even when using health to cast.  

Second edit: The major problem with a con build is bloodmages are weaker at the beginning.  But it pays off in spades.  And the best spells, blood wound and blood control are so powerful that you may find yourself needing to cast nothing else.  Ogres CAN be controlled.

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 mars 2010 - 12:36 .

[Sabriana]

So you would recommend taking BM as the level 7 spec? Would that be better than wait until level 14, since you can build up her CON and use BM spells earlier?

[Charsen]

Sabriana wrote...

*looks around for something to throw at Charsen*
Thanks, pal. I just drew the attention of everyone in the area. Laughing out loud for no apparent reason is dangerous in my line of work, don't you know.
But I forgive you. After all, you're my new hero. Tested ZevranASAP # 2 and it worked as advertised. Got the cut-scene of Denerim, followed by the Zevran/Loghain/Howe one, and ran into Zevran after leaving the camp (the nightmare one).
Hurrah for Charsen.
*throws her sandwich at Charsen, because she can't find anything else, and doesn't want to throw something hard*
There goes my lunch...

sweet!! free food!
and this is supposed to discourage me how? 
 

*goes back to toolset*

[Creature 1]

Why Con? Just go vampire on your friends.

[ejoslin]

This time around I took it at level 7. You can't get blood wound until 14, so it's an option waiting, but you'd want to have 3 talent points available to get it immediately. You get blood sacrifice at 12. I still use blood magic to stretch my mana pool, but blood mage IS weak until level 12 or 14 so you may want to do the other specialization first. But save a few talent points so you can immediately get blood wound when you hit 14.

Right now, at level 10, I have no AoE spells, crushing prison, paralyze, and a couple of single damage spells. And heal. Very weak! But I don't have to use potions since I can switch from using mana to health and back again.

Edit: I like having a large health pool.  And since the only heal you have is blood sacrifice, and it has a recast time, it's safer too.  My mana is used only for sustainables, and it's nice having the health drop only a fraction when casting a lot.  Plus, it's a safety for when you get aggro.  PLUS con gives you physical resistance, which is very handy.

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 mars 2010 - 12:48 .

[soulsweeper87]

ejoslin wrote...

The advantage to using health, if you have high health, is that you can have sustainables going constantly, you use blood sacrifice to keep your health topped -- you end up never having to use potions at ALL. And if you're an arcane warrior as well, that is MAJOR since mana is always a problem.

Edit: Plus high health is always a good thing.  Really, when your blood mage has over 300 hitpoints, they're a lot less vulnerable, even when using health to cast.  

I see, that does make sense. My mage is BM/AW, but I never really use AW skills with her. I still gave her some bonus constitution points in addition to those she aquired in the fade, so she won't fall easily. Usually I keep her in the safe distance anyway, so she rarely gets hit. In retrospect, I should've given her spirit healer as a second spec, but it would be slightly OOC

From RP pov, she wouldn't be too fond of using blood sacrifice anyway. If you could drain blood from your enemies, then yes, by all means, but she wouldn't risk hurting her companions. Perhaps Shale wouldn't mind, but it doesn't make much sense that she can be used for that anyway.

[Sannox]

I did my blood mage all wrong because I put hardly anything in con and just about everything in magic (and nothing much in willpower - I used potions if I wasn't in blood magic mode). I'd use one blood sacrifice, then when my health was running low I'd switch of the blood magic and have a health poultice. It wasn't an efficient way of doing it, but my blood wound did seem to be very powerful on 'normal' (I haven't played on hard difficulty yet) - handy for one-shotting a large group.

I also went spirit healer as well. Probably the two don't go together very well, but I found it fun to play.

ETA: from a RP point of view, I took blood from Zevran as I somehow felt that a bit of mixing of body fluids was OK between lovers.   Then I healed him up again.   It made some sort of sense to me. 

Modifié par Sannox, 12 mars 2010 - 12:52 .

[ejoslin]

Shale cannot be used for blood sacrifice (no blood). A ranger pet can be, though.

Edit: Really, I am a huge fan of Con for a bloodmage (obviously).  You DO have to make it to level 14 to become truly powerful, but most classes are weak until then.  And once you get higher level, if you are a con build, you are so overpowered it's ridiculous.

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 mars 2010 - 12:52 .

[Sabriana]

Pfeh. Typical student. Free food = great, free drink = greater, free booze = greatest, lol. Ah I remember those days fondly. Grabbing cold pizza and rushing to lecture with a 3-star hangover - ahh, priceless.



I do have a mage, she was my ZevranASAP mod 1 tester, and she has the AW spec. I think she would be good for adding the BM then. However, I haven't put anything into CON yet. How high would you say it should go? I've investing in WIL and Magic with her, and she's at lvl 9 now.

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Pfeh. Typical student. Free food = great, free drink = greater, free booze = greatest, lol. Ah I remember those days fondly. Grabbing cold pizza and rushing to lecture with a 3-star hangover - ahh, priceless.

I do have a mage, she was my ZevranASAP mod 1 tester, and she has the AW spec. I think she would be good for adding the BM then. However, I haven't put anything into CON yet. How high would you say it should go? I've investing in WIL and Magic with her, and she's at lvl 9 now.

Right now, at level 10, I only have 15 points in Con, BUT I've put all the points I will into cunning (16 -- too many, probably, so with bonuses it will end up at about 20 and I will never fail a persuade check) and willpower (20), so from now on, I'll only be adding points to con and to magic.  A good number for con is between 25 - 35, but you also want to get your magic up to around 50 if you can.  

[Herr Uhl]

Sabriana wrote...

Pfeh. Typical student. Free food = great, free drink = greater, free booze = greatest.

Exactly when does that change?

[e-ver]

I've finally decided to post in the No.1 Zevran thread, so: Hello everyone! *waves*

I usually don't post in threads, before I've read them completely, but I can't keep up with this thread's rapid growth. So I will ask the question that I've been pondering for a while now, even though I'm quite certain that it has been discussed on one of the previous 295 pages.

Did Zevran love Rinna? There's no doubt that she was a very special person and changed him greatly etc., but there is this line that always makes me wonder: "She was... a marvel. Tough, smooth, wicked. Eyes that gleamed like justice. Everything I thought I desired." So did he desire her or did he just think he desired her? Or was his initial thinking that he desired her the spark that was needed to letting her close enough that "she touched something within me".

I know that Zevran doesn't use the word "love", but this description of his feelings for Rinna seems a bit different to me, than a simple circumvention of the word "love".

If this has been discussed to great lengths already, I apologize for bringing it up, but I would appreciate it greatly, if someone could tell me the consensus on this (if there is one) or tell me where in this thread I can find more about it.

Thank you.