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[barkingM1]

ejoslin wrote...

I honestly did not mean to imply in any way, shape or form that Zevran didn't have deep feelings for Rinna -- he says straight out that she touched something in him that frightened him. He obviously was infatuated with her. But I don't think Taliesen can be brushed off easily either. And I don't think he was in love with either.

@Sabriana That says something about the writing, doesn't it.  Because it doesn't get old.  I still get all squee every time Zevran reveals something new to my Warden, and definitely when he falls in love with her.  It is SO special!

 Didn't think you were, kiddo.  I think 'infatuation' is a very good word to describe it.  Perhaps what I was exploring is the way one's definitions have to change as one gains more experience.  He goes from 'all is false,'  to what he thought was love at the time - both Rinna & Taliesin, back to 'nothing is real', then out of nowhere finds this extraordinary connection with the Warden for which he had no emotional framework to fit.  No wonder the poor guy struggles to understand what he feels. 

[jenovan]

Sannox wrote...

I do think the fact that he fell for the mage, and then for Rinna, and then the warden, shows that his true nature is loving.

Yes, yes, yes... I thought of this almost phrased the exact same way as I was doing my lunch thing... his basic nature is to care, in spite of everything that's been done to him.  It really says something about his spirit and will that he was able to maintain that.

Modifié par jenovan, 12 mars 2010 - 04:59 .

[Creature 1]

jenovan wrote...
if, when confronting Taliesen, you say "Zevran belongs with me now", I'd always assumed that Taliesen interprets that as, the Warden is in love with Zevran and is sort of stating their relationship...  His reply is "You don't even know who you're talking about, do you?"  Without thinking too hard about it, to me that always sounded like, he's dismissing the affair as another of Zevran's purely physical flings. In light of the discussions here today, it kinda changes the feel of that line for me, somehow... I can't quite articulate it at the moment, but it has got to be a slap in the face for Taliesen when Zevran replies with "And neither do you"... Zevran's obviously changed, and, as Creature put it a few days ago, he just dumped Taliesen in front of everybody.   Going in with the assumption that they were lovers changes the feel of some of the dialogue considerably...

Taliesin at that point doesn't really know what's going on.  He knows Zevran's travelling with the party, and might know that he's sleeping with the Warden.  He probably thinks Zevran's playing the Warden, although he probably can't figure out why.  So saying, "You don't even know who you're talking about" mean IMO that he thinks it's not only casual sex, but Zevran's using the Warden (certainly it can't be the other way around because Zevran would have killed them and left by that point).  I'm sure the possibility that Zevran's in love isn't even in the same solar system. 

Augh, this is SO much more interesting than writing user manuals.

That's crazy talk! 

Modifié par Creature 1, 12 mars 2010 - 04:59 .

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

Sannox wrote...

I do think the fact that he fell for the mage, and then for Rinna, and then the warden, shows that his true nature is loving.

Yes, yes, yes... I thought of this almost phrased the exact same way as I was doing my lunch thing... his basic nature is to care, in spite of everything that's been done to him.  It really says something about his spirit and will that he was able to maintain that.

Ooooh, ok, now I understand better, and yes, I do agree that it is always in his nature to care.  He considers it a weakness of his character, though, that he's not colder.  *sigh* and *squee* and all that.

Edit: I'm going to spend a bit more time reading, and a bit less responding, which will lead to a whole lot more *sigh* and all!  Good, squeeful *sighs* of course.

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 mars 2010 - 05:07 .

[Sabriana]

Hmm, I don't think he fell for the mage, but felt sorry for her. His feelings for Rinna were deeply disturbing to him. Only with the Warden does he realize that he is indeed capable of falling in love. It happens over a long time, his romance is the longest (I think). It takes him a while to realize that no matter how hard he fights it, he will never be able to deny his love for the Warden.

[Addai]

MorGothic wrote...
It's a better staff generaly but it costs 124 gold...

I also found it underwhelming.  Probably because I don't depend much on a staff, therefore it didn't seem worth the big layout.  If you're a DPS mage, especially the BM/AW combination, the staff just isn't that important.

Excellent info here on blood mage/AW, too!  Crikey, I might have to go back and replay some of my last game.  That poor girl got re-worked and re-speced so many times that she must have schizophrenia.  But since I'm not that enthusiastic about any of my new characters, it may be worth it, also to re-live the Zevsquees.

[Addai]

*wonders what other tidbits might be lurking in the toolset*

[Sabriana]

Good grief, between making dinner and running back and forth from stove to computer, I don't even have to go to the gym tomorrow. This Zevran thread is all kinds of good for you

What do you use as a weapon then, Addai?

[e-ver]

Sabriana wrote...

That's expensive, MorGothic. I usually use all my PCs gold to get Zevran..., I mean my companions better gear. I have to see about finding a way to get some more for the staff. I've looked at WinterForge, but I'm a little scared of big mods. However, the options to stat up your gear yourself, and recoloring things is quite tempting.
Btw, with the 'Fade" mod, did you get your XP? I thought I read somewhere that the creator didn't put that in because s/he didn't know how much to give out.

The Winter Forge is absolutely awsome, I can only recommend it! The new version has just been released and it's a lot more comfortable to use than the previous one. It's all set up very logically and with a little background reading on the project's (very well made) website, you should have no trouble.
Enchanting stuff for your companions (and yourself) is so much fun, I love coming up with ideas what items to enchant for them. For example my new PC (another Dalish, will I ever be able to play another
origin?!) is going to enchant Varathorn's Amulet (ingame description: "A pendant of ironbark, worked into the shape of a heart overgrown with vines."
) for Zevran and he will get it after we
encounter Taliesen. Its still a long way off, but I'm already looking
forward to it.
I also really appreciate that the mod allows my companions to keep their personal items (Zevran's belt, Alistair's runic worry token, Morrigan's necklace, Sten's Asala etc.) but they can all get useful enchantments on them. 

So in short: get The Winter Forge, it's a fantastic mod!

[Cuddlezarro]

the Arcane warrior class can burn for all I care I really REALLY hate it I had to force my self to complete that playthrough dew to how boring I thought it was





the 124 gold staff was a godsend for my normal mage if only for the +2 mana regen and to put it bluntly you can end up with so much gold by the end of the game its ridiculous (even without the lyrium potion trick)

[Sabriana]

Oh, wunderbar. That does sound good, Allerleihrau. I'll have to get it and at least try it. That's 4 mods I need to dl tonight. WinterForge, Fade-be-gone, Far Song for Owen (yeah, I'm a wuss), and Charsen's DT compatible earring.

[jenovan]

Creature 1 wrote...

Taliesin at that point doesn't really know what's going on.  He knows Zevran's travelling with the party, and might know that he's sleeping with the Warden.  He probably thinks Zevran's playing the Warden, although he probably can't figure out why.  So saying, "You don't even know who you're talking about" mean IMO that he thinks it's not only casual sex, but Zevran's using the Warden (certainly it can't be the other way around because Zevran would have killed them and left by that point).  I'm sure the possibility that Zevran's in love isn't even in the same solar system. 

That makes sense -- given how the Crows operate, I could imagine Taliesen figures this is some ploy of Zevran's (presumably to survive, since he's obviously ...? not interested in killing the Warden at this point).

I wonder if Taliesen has his preconceptions shaken as the fight goes on, though? Hmmmmm.... *wanders into realms of pure speculation aka Knot 14*

Augh, this is SO much more interesting than writing user manuals.

That's crazy talk! 

I know, right?!

[Charsen]

yes, i definitely agree with the winter forge. brilliant mod. perhaps a little cheaty, but still great.

[Addai]

Sabriana wrote...

Good grief, between making dinner and running back and forth from stove to computer, I don't even have to go to the gym tomorrow. This Zevran thread is all kinds of good for you
What do you use as a weapon then, Addai?

Oh, I used staff, but just didn't need it much since I had so much badass DPS spellpower without it.  I had Torch of Embers staff and I missed it after I sold it to "level up" to Staff of Magister Lords.  I swear I was doing more damage with ToE.  If your mage is cold-based, Winter's Breath would be better, of course.  Otherwise I used Spellweaver when melee enemies closed in.  They rarely got close.

Is there a reason to read any other thread on this board?  I don't think so!

[Cuddlezarro]

Charsen wrote...

yes, i definitely agree with the winter forge. brilliant mod. perhaps a little cheaty, but still great.

its not cheaty if you use it to defuglyfy your armor like I did with Zevs felons coat!

[Sabriana]

Jenovan, what do you make of Taliesen's "I know why you did it and I understand. come back with me, and we'll make up a story" Do you think that is because Taliesen thinks Zevran is biding his time? But why would they then have to make up a story if those actions were within the Crows mode of operation?



Well, Charsen, I always say, in a single player game, who are you really cheating?

*hears a sizzle and pop, and bolts to the kitchen*

[jenovan]

Sabriana wrote...

Jenovan, what do you make of Taliesen's "I know why you did it and I understand. come back with me, and we'll make up a story" Do you think that is because Taliesen thinks Zevran is biding his time? But why would they then have to make up a story if those actions were within the Crows mode of operation?

Well, Charsen, I always say, in a single player game, who are you really cheating?
*hears a sizzle and pop, and bolts to the kitchen*

LOL, here's hoping the cooking is going alright... XD

Actually, to me, that line implies that Taliesen knew (by now, probably not originally...) or had an inkling, of Zevran's death wish -- or, at least, his wish to leave the Crows.  Now, whether he thinks Zevran was upset about Rinna, or about his worthlessness, who knows...  I guess it might depend on if Taliesen was present when Zevran got his verbal backstab from the Crow master or not...

(I keep editing this.. d'oh...)

Modifié par jenovan, 12 mars 2010 - 05:32 .

[MorGothic]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Charsen wrote...

yes, i definitely agree with the winter forge. brilliant mod. perhaps a little cheaty, but still great.

its not cheaty if you use it to defuglyfy your armor like I did with Zevs felons coat!

LOL, this is the main reason I use it, to change item models, the Helm of Honnelth, for example, love the stats but hate the helm model so I changed to the Horned Helm which looks awesome on a Male Dwarf.

I really enjoy creating character builds I'd normal start of with an idea to aim for something (like max +% Spirit Damage) and go from there researching best weapons and items etc. I'm think about doing a DSP S&S Warrior with Heavy Armour next (although I may use a Dagger instead of a Sword.)

[Sabriana]

Yeah, all's well, Jenovan. Just a drop of water splashing into the frying pan

That could well be, because Zevran says "When *we* reported back to them...." He did say 'we' didn't he? Sheesh, you'd think I'd remember that,seeing how often I've played the Zevran conversations.

[ejoslin]

He does say "we."

[Sabriana]

Aha. So then logically he does know that Zevran received a verbal slap in the face. Interesting....


Oh, and thanks Addai. I keep forgetting about the sword. I  hate that fight. Well not so much last time, my amazon peppered them with arrows, so it wasn't quite as bad. Stupid drakes, stupid overseer...

Modifié par Sabriana, 12 mars 2010 - 05:43 .

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, just one more quick comment about Taliesen. The fact that Zevran will stay no matter what if he hits 71+ adore (not dealing with the friendship angle right now, just romanced), does pretty much imply that even before Zevran falls in love, he feels much more strongly about that warden than he ever did about Taliesen. He cared for him, didn't adore him, definitely didn't love him.



Ok, done beating this dead horse for the day. Perhaps. I do sometimes lie about things like that, however. Off to the fade!

[Charsen]

Almost to 300 guys! =P

[Sabriana]

Hey Charsen, what you gonna do with all that freedom? Spring break in Florida? (At least I think that's where my study-mates from UB went. It's been a while)

I do remember getting to know Baltimore quite well during that break, hehe.

[Addai]

Oh awesome, I finally got our account to upload something. It's only been three months and half a dozen characters! Changing avatar to current Zev girl, because I'm tired of looking at Elissa's face next to my posts.