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[Sabriana]

Lol @ Sialater's comments

That's just Zevran being..., well, Zevran.

And it must be remembered that he tries to fight off the deeper feelings he is getting for the PC. Falling in love goes against everything he's been brainwashed into believing. He keeps trying to force it so it will be nothing more than the PC and he getting their jollies with no strings attached. The poor man just doesn't know that it will never work, and that he's fighting a hopeless battle with himself.

Modifié par Sabriana, 14 janvier 2010 - 06:30 .

[ejoslin]

Sialater wrote...

I usually imagine, "Sweetie, really, you haven't learned by now, that we're the exception to the rule? Everyone's out for themselves, always."

However, y'all are convincing me to give Zevran a greater shot in my next playthrough. I tried this time around, but my PC got a bit jealous from all his flirting with the girl party members.

Awwww, realize that with Morrigan it's just a bet, with Wynne it's to make her uncomfortable because she's always trying to make him feel guilty, keep Leliana out of the party and make Zevran your lock picker, and realize he really doesn't find Oghren attractive . . . and you'll be fine!    But yes, at the one point you can appear insecure and jealous, if you go that route you get a bit of a disapproval hit . . .

 If nothing else, it's worth finishing the romance on at least one play through, just because it is the complete reverse of the Alistair one.  Heh, if you have problems with his assassin ways, tell him you're no murderer!  He's nothing if not smart, for sure. And he is able to put the PC's own actions into the proper perspective.  

[Sabriana]

ejoslin wrote...
   
But yes, at the one point you can appear insecure and jealous, if you go that route you get a bit of a disapproval hit . . .

What? Where? What did I miss?

[jenovan]

Hmm, that's an interesting point about possibly changing the PC response with the toolset. Given that there are dialogue tweak mods out there, maybe you can! I do feel like my PC wants to get Alistair to be more realistic and less naive, but he wouldn't agree with the principle that "everyone is out for themselves", even worded differently... reworking that response will take some thought.



(Would I redo the Circle Tower so I can go back and harden Ali? Hmm.......choices.. )





Aaaand to stay on-topic! Zevran's response to the male PC when the PC says "but I'm a man" after the "...if I said I fancied you" dialogue is adorable. XD

[Sabriana]

Don't be mean. What is the response?

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Lol @ Sialater's comments

That's just Zevran being..., well, Zevran.

And it must be remembered that he tries to fight off the deeper feelings he is getting for the PC. Falling in love goes against everything he's been brainwashed into believing. He keeps trying to force it so it will be nothing more than the PC and he getting their jollies with no strings attached. The poor man just doesn't know that it will never work, and that he's fighting a hopeless battle with himself.

As much as he SAYS it means nothing, the approval hit you get for dumping him says another.  Also, when you're romancing him, he seems happy, and if you break up with him, his whole demeanor changes -- he definitely is a lot colder, and seems much less happy. 

Actually, the dumping approval thing is really interesting.  I think I said earlier that if you've slept with Alistair, you have to go out of your way to make really mean dialog choices to get him to disapprove of a breakup -- even telling Zevran, yes, I choose you, then going to Alistair will get you a minor hit, or none at all.  Zevran, on the other hand, 26 points. So which one would you say is relieved? And which one really cares, despite what is said?  

I love that you can tell Wynne when she's apologizing that you've seen the tenderness in Zevran's gaze right from the start.  You really can roleplay the whole romance in many different ways -- but it's pretty apparent that Zevran was falling in love from the start and fighting it with every fiber of his being. But at the same time, he was honest enough with himself to find out, as soon as he started caring for the PC, what the future may hold.  And if the PC tells him she'd like a future with him, he tells her he would as well.  So much contradiction in the whole thing.  I think that's part of what makes it so compelling.

[Sialater]

ejoslin wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I usually imagine, "Sweetie, really, you haven't learned by now, that we're the exception to the rule? Everyone's out for themselves, always."

However, y'all are convincing me to give Zevran a greater shot in my next playthrough. I tried this time around, but my PC got a bit jealous from all his flirting with the girl party members.

Awwww, realize that with Morrigan it's just a bet, with Wynne it's to make her uncomfortable because she's always trying to make him feel guilty, keep Leliana out of the party and make Zevran your lock picker, and realize he really doesn't find Oghren attractive . . . and you'll be fine!    But yes, at the one point you can appear insecure and jealous, if you go that route you get a bit of a disapproval hit . . .

 If nothing else, it's worth finishing the romance on at least one play through, just because it is the complete reverse of the Alistair one.  Heh, if you have problems with his assassin ways, tell him you're no murderer!  He's nothing if not smart, for sure. And he is able to put the PC's own actions into the proper perspective.  

Nah, the one that really got her irritated was the one where he praises Morrigan for her devious mind and asks why they have not made love yet.  I know what he's doing, but that doesn't mean my characters do. 

Emma Coulsand's going to be queen anyway, though.

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
   
But yes, at the one point you can appear insecure and jealous, if you go that route you get a bit of a disapproval hit . . .

What? Where? What did I miss?

PC: You must have quite a history. With women.
Zev: Are you sure you want to go there?
PC: Maybe you're right.  I don't want to know
Zev: You are the only woman I've been with . . . in Ferelden.  And all others I've been with pale beside you!
Disapprove -5 I think

Lol, something like that.

[Addai]

Sialater wrote...
However, y'all are convincing me to give Zevran a greater shot in my next playthrough. I tried this time around, but my PC got a bit jealous from all his flirting with the girl party members.

My PC can't help but feel jealous twinges as well, but she cottoned on quickly to the fact that this is just Zevran being Zevran and that usually there is a joke behind it.  Especially since he really turns on the spigots for the party members who give him the hardest time, like Morrigan and Wynne.  So she can laugh along under her breath, as if it is an inside joke that she is in on.  It endears him to her even more to see him handle their suspicion and patronization with such devilish, hilarious finesse.  And I still think, even before I became a Zevran fangirl, that his dialogue about Wynne's magical bosoms is the best ROFLMAO in the game.

[jenovan]

Sabriana wrote...

Don't be mean. What is the response?

Actually, the cutest part is the way he laughs!   But it goes more or less like this:

Zevran: [...] Would it offend you if I said I fancied you?
PC: But I'm a man.
Zevran: (bursts out laughing) Oh, you.. you are speaking seriously.  (He sounds so surprised! XD)
Zevran: I do forget we are not in Antiva City.  We are much more... open-minded about these things where I hail from.  Is this something I should beg pardon for?
PC: No, I just... was surprised.
Zevran: Pleasantly, I hope.

[ejoslin]

Sialater wrote...


Nah, the one that really got her irritated was the one where he praises Morrigan for her devious mind and asks why they have not made love yet.  I know what he's doing, but that doesn't mean my characters do. 

Emma Coulsand's going to be queen anyway, though.

Ohoh, very fun play through.  Are you romancing Ali at all?  Or is it completely political?

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 janvier 2010 - 06:55 .

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...
PC: You must have quite a history. With women.
Zev: Are you sure you want to go there?
PC: Maybe you're right.  I don't want to know
Zev: You are the only woman I've been with . . . in Ferelden.  And all others I've been with pale beside you!
Disapprove -5 I think

Lol, something like that.

A-ha!  That's a whole different dialogue with the male PC.  Interesting..

PC: Have you always been...
Zev: Fascinated by tight leather?

(it's a lead-in for the PC to ask Zevran if he's always been interested in other men, which I *think* is where Zev goes into his explanation about the Crows and open-mindedness.  Can't remember at the moment.)

Modifié par jenovan, 14 janvier 2010 - 06:59 .

[AnniLau]

Does he say he thinks he prefers men in the the male PC version? I've always wondered when he hits that line with a female PC.

[Sialater]

ejoslin wrote...

Sialater wrote...


Nah, the one that really got her irritated was the one where he praises Morrigan for her devious mind and asks why they have not made love yet.  I know what he's doing, but that doesn't mean my characters do. 

Emma Coulsand's going to be queen anyway, though.

Ohoh, very fun play through.  Are you romancing Ali at all?  Or is it completely political?

I am a sucker for nerds who like action figures, it's been pointed out to me.  So yeah, romancing. 

That's OK, she doesn't mind being underestimated, politically.

[Creature 1]

AnniLau wrote...

Does he say he thinks he prefers men in the the male PC version? I've always wondered when he hits that line with a female PC.

I think he says he prefers women.  Leliana prefers women too.  We're just more preferable overall, I guess. 

[Herr Uhl]

Creature 1 wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Does he say he thinks he prefers men in the the male PC version? I've always wondered when he hits that line with a female PC.

I think he says he prefers women.  Leliana prefers women too.  We're just more preferable overall, I guess. 

Yup. On both accounts.

[AnniLau]

Creature 1 wrote...

I think he says he prefers women.  Leliana prefers women too.  We're just more preferable overall, I guess. 

Go us!

[jenovan]

Creature 1 wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Does he say he thinks he prefers men in the the male PC version? I've always wondered when he hits that line with a female PC.

I think he says he prefers women.  Leliana prefers women too.  We're just more preferable overall, I guess. 

Lucky us!

I don't remember him saying he prefers one over the other, at least not in that conversation.  I know one of his replies in there is something like, "I was raised with both male and female ****s, so my education about the topic was very practical", and "My only rule about sex is that it be done well."   I got the impression he was equally happy both ways, but I haven't poked through all the branches of that convo yet. 

[Sialater]

No, he definitely prefers women, but he's open minded.

[Herr Uhl]

jenovan wrote...
I don't remember him saying he prefers one over the other, at least not in that conversation.  I know one of his replies in there is something like, "I was raised with both male and female ****s, so my education about the topic was very practical", and "My only rule about sex is that it be done well."   I got the impression he was equally happy both ways, but I haven't poked through all the branches of that convo yet. 

He prefers the "smooth curves of a woman".

Suffice to say, my mage was devestated 

[Sabriana]

@ Jenovan

That's hilarious. Man, I just have to find a way to get a peek at all the conversations. I wish I could play a male. I'm seriously missing out on stuff, but I just can't do it. I get so bored, it feels so unreal, like I'm doing something half-heartedly. Dash it all, I'm seriously handicapped by my own limitations. I just can't get into any game playing a man - I don't even own any game that doesn't let me choose my gender.

To top it off, I can't DL the toolset. My laptop would pack its bags and leave on the spot if I tried to force somthing so big and clunky on it.



I shall go into my room and sulk now.



And yes. Wynne's magical bossom cracks me up - everytime. The way he reacts to her is priceless. He doesn't seem to have to say much to Alistair, but he definitely lays it on thick with Morrigan and Wynne. I sat at my monitor laughing myself to tears when he turns to another party-member and says "You owe me five silvers, I believe?" And Morrigan's "I hate you all." response is funny as well.

[AnniLau]

jenovan wrote...
Lucky us!

I don't remember him saying he prefers one over the other, at least not in that conversation.  I know one of his replies in there is something like, "I was raised with both male and female ****s, so my education about the topic was very practical", and "My only rule about sex is that it be done well."   I got the impression he was equally happy both ways, but I haven't poked through all the branches of that convo yet. 

I don't remember what the path is, but at some point when you're questioning him about his history, he'll tell you that he's been with both men and women. I think he asks if that bothers you, you respond, and then he'll say something like "Do I prefer women? Yes, I believe I do, but in the Crows a certain openmindeness, etc."

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

 I sat at my monitor laughing myself to tears when he turns to another party-member and says "You owe me five silvers, I believe?" And Morrigan's "I hate you all." response is funny as well.

Hahaha, if you have Ali in the party, Ali says something like, "By the maker, you're right! You win!"

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 janvier 2010 - 07:18 .

[jenovan]

Herr Uhl wrote...
He prefers the "smooth curves of a woman".

Suffice to say, my mage was devestated 

Awww    Well... I suppose my PC won't take that TOO terribly, since he prefers women too (or thought he did  ).  I'll definitely have to root around in that conversation this evening. 



@Sabriana, this is actually the first game I've played where there is a gender choice, AND the gender choice makes a significant difference.   I'm used to playing male characters when there's no choice, and putting up with the role that forces you into, or playing things where gender really doesn't matter (like an MMO or something). 

From the point of view of someone who likes to tell stories, being able to play both genders in a game like this, where every interaction and choice seems to make a difference, is huge fun.    I'm looking forward to seeing the differences in a female playthrough next!

[Sabriana]

@ Ejoslin

I would love to see that one, but Alistair isn't with my PC much. This play-through I'm currently on is made up of Zevran (it's a shocker, I know, I know), Sten and Wynne. Two rogues, a tank, and a mage. I sort of like the way these three interact, although I must admit the Shale/Sten conversations have me in stitches.



I tried to play a male, Jenovan, but I get bored quickly. I'll always remember trying a male in Oblivion. At one point I got confused about where my guy was, I sort of lost him in a bunch of knights. Cracked me up, that.