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[Addai]

I vote this the Best Mod That Is Not Charsen's ZevranASAP or Earring Mod. Officially.

Edit:  New page!  Quick, someone talk about dwarf sex!

Modifié par Addai67, 14 mars 2010 - 08:54 .

[Addai]

Arundor wrote...

Also, a quick question for the Zevran expert panel.  I took Zevran with me to meet Ruck, it's the first time I've done that so far.  From what I've read previously I was under the impression that Zev would suggest killing Ruck, but that didn't happen for me.  Was Zevran supposed to say something?  Maybe I just misunderstood what I had read previously, or maybe my game hit a glitch.  The other party members with me were Alistair and Wynne, if it makes a difference.

This happens the 2nd time you talk to Ruck with Zevran in your party.  Oghren will cut out some of his dialogue there.

[AnniLau]

I thought you just had to specifically tell Ruck "I should go" (or however it's phrased for him), rather than just closing out of the vendor window.

[SurrealSadi]

AnniLau has the right of it, I think.

[Addai]

Yes, looking at the wiki that does seem to be the trigger. My bad!

[Sresla]

Yep, Anni is correct. You don't have to kill Ruck - Zevran won't even suggest it, if you say, go into the trade window with Ruck and then escape out of it (or whatever). But specifically saying you're leaving to him will prompt Zevran's dialogue.

[Kryyptehk]

Sresla wrote...

Yep, Anni is correct. You don't have to kill Ruck - Zevran won't even suggest it, if you say, go into the trade window with Ruck and then escape out of it (or whatever). But specifically saying you're leaving to him will prompt Zevran's dialogue.

Doesn't Zevran kill Ruck? Even if you tell him not to? That's what I've read anyway.

[SurrealSadi]

Try it and find out. I can't recall...

[Sabriana]

I've gone out of dialogue with Ruck without using the vendor, but Zevran/Oghren never said a word. It is the/a specific line in the dialogue tree only that will spring them into action. At least in my game.

And no, the PC does not have the option to stop Zevran and/or Oghren once the event is set in motion.

[Sresla]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Doesn't Zevran kill Ruck? Even if you tell him not to? That's what I've read anyway.

Everyone in your party becomes aggressive once you get to that point, Zevran doesn't do it on his own. But there's no turning back - you don't have the option to persuade him out of it. Jinx, Sab owes me a coke.

Modifié par Sresla, 14 mars 2010 - 09:28 .

[Kryyptehk]

Sabriana wrote...

I've gone out of dialogue with Ruck without using the vendor, but Zevran/Oghren never said a word. It is the/a specific line in the dialogue tree only that will spring them into action. At least in my game.
And no, the PC does not have the option to stop Zevran and/or Oghren once the event is set in motion.

Wow, that's kind of depressing. I never talk to Ruck for very long and I've kept Zevran out of the Deep Roads like a jealous wife protecting her husband for that one reason. Now I have to worry about Oghren -sigh-

[Sabriana]

*hands Sresla a coke and a smile*

I successfully evicted everyone, including the cat, so now I get to 'play a little'.

Oh which one? Mage or rogue? I've never been able to do the 'crime wave' quests before, but on the other hand, I want my mage to become a BM/AW, which is also something I've never done before.

Decisions, decisions... sigh.

@ Kryyptehk
I think Oghren only comments and agrees about Ruck and mercy-killing him, if Zevran is in the party. But on the other hand, I've never done Orzammar without Zevran. Perish the thought.

Modifié par Sabriana, 14 mars 2010 - 09:35 .

[SurrealSadi]

Huh. that's the route I'm taking Saetan...Sort of...

[Kryyptehk]

Sabriana wrote...


@ Kryyptehk
I think Oghren only comments and agrees about Ruck and mercy-killing him, if Zevran is in the party. But on the other hand, I've never done Orzammar without Zevran. Perish the thought.

Ah, okay then, I'm less worried now. I've only taken Zevran into the Deep Roads once and uhhh...that was on my cheat run. So we were there for about as long as it took me to type in runscript zz_orz_debug and click the right option.

I know all the cheat codes by heart now. Too bad that game was the only game I ever use cheat codes, lol

[Sannox]

I swapped Zevran for Oghren first time round (I thought I had to), but the second time (Alistair, Zevran and Oghren) I didn't get the dialogue.

[Sannox]

Sabriana wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Sannox, given that the Crows were hired to kill Wardens, the price would have been VERY HIGH for Loghain and Howe. Zevran likely bid that he take NOTHING of the contract price, giving it all to the Crows. He expected to die, so what need of money would he have?

Plus, he also states that moving against Grey Wardens is considered impolitic, even by the Crows. Ignacio also states that the GW contract would be one he would never touch.

I also don't think that Alistair knows much about rogues. He's always busy to tank, head on, and too busy to realize that Zevran deals huge amounts of damage.

Yes, I imagined that he was giving the whole fee to the guild, as he was going to die anyway.    But he doesn't argue about his performance, only that he was good enough for the job.  He seems to agree that he wasn't one of the best.  

That would be funny, if it was just that Alistair didn't know anything about rogues.    It threw me that Alistair said he had been watching him - how could he think he wasn't good?  He's sometimes the last man standing in my parties too. 

[Sabriana]

Alistair and Zevran snipe at each other in a very polite way at times. And unless he is talking to the PC, Zevran underplays the roles of his life, assassins, and the Crows quite often. He pulls it into the realm of ridicule with most of the companions. About the only thing he freely, openly, and happily admits to publicly is his involvement with the PC.

[Addai]

I interpret Alistair's comment about Zevran's skill as pure jealousy talking. A dick-measuring contest. I love Alistair, but he's being a prat. OTOH, in Zevran's little "sex advice" banter, I think he's being a prat, too.  They have a running competitiveness thing going.

Question for the panel: Why does Zevran say that he decides he'll buy the Antivan boots when he gets back, if he doesn't plan to come back?

Modifié par Addai67, 14 mars 2010 - 09:57 .

[SurrealSadi]

Tis a good question. I've no idea why he would do that... hm...

[Sabriana]

At that point he is not yet ready to reveal his true motive. Remember the fade. He's not above a fib or two to conceal his real motives. Wood nymphs indeed.

[Sresla]

Maybe this isn't the standard belief (not the first time I go against the general concensus) but I actually think Zevran was, in Antiva, one of the best assassins they had (his attempt on the Warden nonwithstanding). There's a reason, after all, that the Master who sent him, Rinna and Taliesin on that mission and Zevran said it himself, that they were growing tired of his boasting. Zevran was good, he KNEW he was good and he had an ego (bravado, if you like, simply because it was more likely a barrier than anything), he just hadn't reached the point of being good and AMBITIOUS. What was done to him was so they could teach him a lesson and put him in his place (which it did, it reduced whatever self worth he had gained up until that point to 0 or even negative numbers). Better still, it sent him on a suicide mission, getting him out of the way once and for all.

I look at this from the point of the Master assassins. How do you think that one gets promoted to a Master, in the first place? (man, this takes me back to like... Robert Aspirin's (RIP) Thieves World novels, not a direct parallel but close. Maybe I'm thinking of another series, because they're all thieves, not assassins in that, but Zevran does sort of remind me of a mix of Cappen Verra and Shadowspawn) You would, of course, have to kill your way up the ladder (which Zevran does actually do, in the Warden sacrifice/love interest epilogue, and I could have sworn that happens in the Thieves World books, but it's been too long since I've read them). So, for Master assassins, you would always need to be watching out for the next up and comer who might think one day to take your place. What better way to get rid of him than by breaking his spirit and then allowing him to go on a mission that might lead to his death.

If anything, you might argue that Taliesin's only motivation might not be romance in bringing him back. Every Master likely has a second. If Taliesin considers himself the current brains of the operation, having someone like Zevran at your side is a powerful move in terms of serving your own ends as well.

Edit: Too, imagine if it hadn't broken him - I know we talk a lot about Zevran's... for lack of a better word, sensitive side, but I think he's also got a stone cold killer side to him, when the right buttons are pushed (and I think still can be, post-epilogue, I don't believe he would allow anyone to get away with anything regarding the Warden - and vice versa, if our conversation a week ago [with the whole, what if someone killed Zevran, what would you do conversation]). It was a gamble that the Master(s) had to take, sooner rather than later. Live too long as a Crow and it would have desensitized him completely, making him that much more deadly.

Modifié par Sresla, 14 mars 2010 - 11:15 .

[SurrealSadi]

Epically good points.

[soulsweeper87]

Addai67 wrote...

soulsweeper87 wrote...

I like Zevran in Shadow Warden Coat. It would be even better if it revealed his thighs!

What's that??

I haven't cought up with new pages yet and someone may have already answered that question, but I guess it never hurts to post some more Zevran screenies

It's a hot, black armor that can be found on Nexus

Modifié par soulsweeper87, 14 mars 2010 - 11:22 .

[Minaleth]

soulsweeper87 wrote...
It's a hot, black armor that can be found on Nexus

I think it goes nice with his hair color 
Edit @ sresla: I have similar impressions. Zevran was among top assassins and he was aware of this. And for some reason someone have done something about this fact -> Rinna event. A lot is not revealed so this can be interpreted in various ways. Many of them are story plausible imo.

Modifié par Minaleth, 14 mars 2010 - 11:39 .

[Ramante]

I would love to yell goodmorning everyone, but it is already afternoon here. xD
Hello all new people.

soulsweeper87 wrote...

Very nice, very nice indeed. (I love Shale)
What armor is the person on the left wearing? I don't recognize it.