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[sami jo]

Sresla wrote...

Edit: Too, imagine if it hadn't broken him - I know we talk a lot about Zevran's... for lack of a better word, sensitive side, but I think he's also got a stone cold killer side to him, when the right buttons are pushed (and I think still can be, post-epilogue, I don't believe he would allow anyone to get away with anything regarding the Warden - and vice versa, if our conversation a week ago [with the whole, what if someone killed Zevran, what would you do conversation]). It was a gamble that the Master(s) had to take, sooner rather than later. Live too long as a Crow and it would have desensitized him completely, making him that much more deadly.

I'm already behind again!  So, I'm probably off topic already, but I agree with Sresla here.  Zev's line during the Taliesan attack if the PC selects "I would have to be dead first." is that he isn't about to allow that to happen.  He is hard there, and very, very protective of the Warden. 

Zev is practical.  He has a soft spot for those who cannot help themselves, but he has no patience with solving problems for those who can fix it on their own.  He is a survivor, and while he doesn't trust Morrigan, he does respect her and she respects him.  He wants everyone to underestimate him. 

He is never really in the group to save the world.  He's not sorry that they are saving the world, but that isn't why he is there.  He is there solely for the Warden, and if the Warden wanted to go slaughter kittens he would register a protest and then go along with it.  It is one of the biggest appeals for me about the romance--he is the only character other than your dog who is there solely for you.  He will only leave if you tell him to or if you do nothing at all to earn his loyalty.  Oghren is close, but he is following you out of desperation.  He has lost everything and fighting darkspawn is all he knows how to do right.  Zev is the one who notices when the Warden is stressed.  Zev cares about the Warden's happiness above all else. 

I think he took the mission to kill the Wardens knowing that he probably wouldn't succeed, but he is too much of a survivor to have totally given up.  I think some part of him hoped that if he did succeed he would be able to return and throw it in the face of the master who valued him so little.  I think he was seeing it as either proving that he was worth something and returning triumphant, or dying because the master was right. 

[Sabriana]

I don't really hate anyone, lol.

You're not evil, you're wicked, Cuddles. Delightfully so.

Okay, I'm leveling her up, giving her points in Magic, WIL and a few in DEX here and there. Am I doing it right?

There is never a reason not to be as thorough as possible, Ejoslin. That's the top rule of scientific research.

Sami Jo, he is in awe of the quest they're on. At on point he tells the warden that he's "never done anything so worthy" meaning fighting the blight.

Modifié par Sabriana, 14 mars 2010 - 06:42 .

[AndreaDraco]

Sabriana wrote...
Okay, I'm leveling her up, giving her points in Magic, WIL and a few in DEX here and there. Am I doing it right?

Why in DEX? Maybe I missed something in your earlier posts, Sabriana, but if you're going for a pure caster Mage (no Arcane Warrior), Dexterity is useless, since you'll find many a item that will boost your Defense regardless of your Dexterity and then again the whole point is to not draw the attention of the big bad guys and stay behind

[Ramante]

Sabriana wrote...

A little extra? Oh man, and my mage is wandering around Redcliffe. So far to go yet, so far to go...

I did Lothering again with my mage and after that I went to Orzammar... When I got there, I decided I wanted to do Redcliff first so I left... In Redcliff I decided I wanted to do the Dalish first... So I went back to my earlier camp save and left for the Dalish... I had to do the Zevran encounter again because of that. =3

Screenies~




Already a proposal?


One in Redcliff;


One question... wth is the difference between thumbnail and alt thumbnail? I get those as options with imageshack, but I don't know the difference. o.o'

[ejoslin]

@sami jo, I agree so much with most of what you say (hah, I DO love to argue, don't I) but you are absolutely right that the only reason he's there is for the Warden. *sigh* I'm still all warm and fuzzy over all my testing of Charsen's mods, and your post just made me smile so much more so I had to comment and just say, yes, beautifully put.



/envy all these very articulate people here!

[jenovan]

sami jo wrote...

I think he took the mission to kill the Wardens knowing that he probably wouldn't succeed, but he is too much of a survivor to have totally given up. I think some part of him hoped that if he did succeed he would be able to return and throw it in the face of the master who valued him so little. I think he was seeing it as either proving that he was worth something and returning triumphant, or dying because the master was right.

Oooh, I like how you put that. I mean, while it may have been a lousy ambush, we know Zevran isn't exactly throwing in the towel there when it comes down to the actual combat. He could beat you there, it isn't as if the game is scripted for you to win. Maybe he has just a bit too much pride in his skill to just give up -- and yes, he IS a survivor, and one could imagine all sorts of interesting results should he return to Antiva after successfully killing the Wardens...



A-ha! And that scenario reminds me of at least one question I had for everyone. I think it's at the ambush scene when Zevran is making his case for survival.. you can ask him, "You came all the way from Antiva?" and he says he was in the neighborhood already. What do you all make of that?



I wondered if that might mean, the mission with Rinna and the merchant and all that might have happened in Ferelden... THAT would make his comment about the boots make more sense -- he was going to buy the boots before *that* mission, but thought all would be well... etc. The big problem I see with that idea, though, is that Zevran and Taliesen did report back about that mission, leading to Zevran's crisis. I would assume that sort of reporting/debriefing would occur in Antiva... But I suppose that's not necessarily the case.



So... was Zevran really in Ferelden before his ambush? (Would make sense how he was available on relatively short notice...) And if so, why?

[sami jo]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

here are 2 teaser pics I took last night Ill take more once my parents leave no they arnt safe for work either

http://bayimg.com/mALHkaACD
http://bayimg.com/MALhlaAcD

ROFLMAO

That second pic.  My two cats, dog, evil teen and husband are all looking at me as if I just sprouted horns. 

[Eislyn]

Charsen wrote...

lol, CZ
Still, ... dwarves...

Ok so I just now uploaded ZevringDTPlus - this is a mod that changes the dialogue trees to be more intuitive, smooths out the default animation and also adds something a little extra. Use with dialogue tweaks and check the readme for installation. Install the two files to your packages/core/override folder and enjoy. =)

Please let me know if there are any suggestions! Otherwise I will be working on having the earring be a real item today. 

Charsen, quick question if you would.  I'm using the DT manual version.  Would I just extract your files to my DT folder, and allow them to overwrite the DT files?  I'm assuming this is correct, but let me know if it isn't!  :happy:

Thank you so much for the mods.  I'm really enjoying ZevranASAP, and am looking forward to playing with this new one. 

[Sabriana]

Hmm, Jenovan, that's entirely possible. However, there is the option to ask him if the mission he left Antiva for was to kill the PC. I've never picked that one, now I wish I had. This makes a lot of sense, the way you see it.

[Minaleth]

jenovan wrote...
A-ha! And that scenario reminds me of at least one question I had for everyone. I think it's at the ambush scene when Zevran is making his case for survival.. you can ask him, "You came all the way from Antiva?" and he says he was in the neighborhood already. What do you all make of that?

I wondered if that might mean, the mission with Rinna and the merchant and all that might have happened in Ferelden... THAT would make his comment about the boots make more sense -- he was going to buy the boots before *that* mission, but thought all would be well... etc. The big problem I see with that idea, though, is that Zevran and Taliesen did report back about that mission, leading to Zevran's crisis. I would assume that sort of reporting/debriefing would occur in Antiva... But I suppose that's not necessarily the case.

So... was Zevran really in Ferelden before his ambush? (Would make sense how he was available on relatively short notice...) And if so, why?

I think he was not. Maybe he really says bunch of lies in the recruitment dialogue. It's possible he lies about that his life is forfeit due to failed assassination, so he could lie also about the other thing.
But since I didn't know about Rinna when PC met him it just occurred to me that he was perhaps on some other mission in neighborhood - and this is not necessarily in Ferelden.

[sami jo]

Charsen wrote...

I always thought that's how such a conversation should end... ah, so i am somewhat of a romantic at heart, I suppose. 

:wub:

If you get that job in Maryland you will be just down the road from me.  I will bring you cookies on command. 

[ejoslin]

@jenovan, I think he was lying when he said he was in the neighborhood. If you ask him during his talk about the boots, he will say that the job was killing the warden if you ask him. It makes sense that he would lie, though; his reasons for taking the mission were his own, but he wasn't going to tell the warden at that point.

Edit: @ Sabriana, you know I've picked it.  He confirms that the job was killing the warden

@Minaleth I don't think he was on another job.  He says that the mission with Rinna was the one just before the Warden.

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 mars 2010 - 07:05 .

[sami jo]

Sabriana wrote...

Sami Jo, he is in awe of the quest they're on. At on point he tells the warden that he's "never done anything so worthy" meaning fighting the blight.

I don't mean to imply that he isn't very happy that they are doing something so worthwhile.  It may well be part of what makes him fall for the Warden.  At least at the beginning, I don't think it matters all that much what they are doing and by the end he would do anything the Warden asks.  Actually, that is basically what he says when he argues against one of your choices.  He will do whatever you ask, even if he doesn't approve.  It is like the extra bonus for him that in addition to being truly valued for the first time in his life, he is doing something truly worthwhile for the first time in his life as well.

[sami jo]

jenovan wrote...

A-ha! And that scenario reminds me of at least one question I had for everyone. I think it's at the ambush scene when Zevran is making his case for survival.. you can ask him, "You came all the way from Antiva?" and he says he was in the neighborhood already. What do you all make of that?

I wondered if that might mean, the mission with Rinna and the merchant and all that might have happened in Ferelden... THAT would make his comment about the boots make more sense -- he was going to buy the boots before *that* mission, but thought all would be well... etc. The big problem I see with that idea, though, is that Zevran and Taliesen did report back about that mission, leading to Zevran's crisis. I would assume that sort of reporting/debriefing would occur in Antiva... But I suppose that's not necessarily the case.

So... was Zevran really in Ferelden before his ambush? (Would make sense how he was available on relatively short notice...) And if so, why?

Well, Ignacio and his brother are in Denerim, so it isn't out of the question for there to be a master and other assassins in Fereldon.  Loghain had to contact them pretty quickly after Ostagar and as Oghren comments, there aren't exactly a lot of fast horses in Fereldon.

[ejoslin]

sami jo wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Sami Jo, he is in awe of the quest they're on. At on point he tells the warden that he's "never done anything so worthy" meaning fighting the blight.

I don't mean to imply that he isn't very happy that they are doing something so worthwhile.  It may well be part of what makes him fall for the Warden.  At least at the beginning, I don't think it matters all that much what they are doing and by the end he would do anything the Warden asks.  Actually, that is basically what he says when he argues against one of your choices.  He will do whatever you ask, even if he doesn't approve.  It is like the extra bonus for him that in addition to being truly valued for the first time in his life, he is doing something truly worthwhile for the first time in his life as well.

I agree with you on this.  If the warden were to say, forget it, Zevran would leave with her. I think he's amazed to be part of something so worthy, but his motivation is not fighting the blight.  Though he takes great pride that he is a part of that as well.    

[Sabriana]

Oh yes. You are so right, Sami Jo. HIs speech at the lair had me swoon and squee simultaneously. I always felt that the reason he falls so quickly is because he realizes that he is being valued, befriended for no reason other than being liked, and feeling gratitude toward the warden for giving him a chance at freedom.

His feelings build on these early emotions until he falls in love.

[ejoslin]

sami jo wrote...

Well, Ignacio and his brother are in Denerim, so it isn't out of the question for there to be a master and other assassins in Fereldon.  Loghain had to contact them pretty quickly after Ostagar and as Oghren comments, there aren't exactly a lot of fast horses in Fereldon.

No, I don't think so.  Just from what he was saying, he almost bought the boots before he left in one conversation, that there was a reason he took the job in Ferelden, far away from home in another.  He traveled I think, but Howe probably knew from almost the start that a couple of wardens had survived.  The treaty quest was just a time marker, I think, not a clue that they were still alive. After all, in Lothering, there were guards sent to arrest them.

Edit: But today's posts are all making me squee!  *sigh*

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 mars 2010 - 07:13 .

[Sabriana]

ejoslin wrote...

@jenovan, I think he was lying when he said he was in the neighborhood. If you ask him during his talk about the boots, he will say that the job was killing the warden if you ask him. It makes sense that he would lie, though; his reasons for taking the mission were his own, but he wasn't going to tell the warden at that point.

Edit: @ Sabriana, you know I've picked it.  He confirms that the job was killing the warden

@Minaleth I don't think he was on another job.  He says that the mission with Rinna was the one just before the Warden.

I didn't doubt it for a nano-second, Ejoslin.

[Sabriana]

AndreaDraco wrote...

Sabriana wrote...
Okay, I'm leveling her up, giving her points in Magic, WIL and a few in DEX here and there. Am I doing it right?

Why in DEX? Maybe I missed something in your earlier posts, Sabriana, but if you're going for a pure caster Mage (no Arcane Warrior), Dexterity is useless, since you'll find many a item that will boost your Defense regardless of your Dexterity and then again the whole point is to not draw the attention of the big bad guys and stay behind

I'm trying to build a BloodMage/ArcaneWarrior, Andrea. And I'm completely out of my depth.

[sami jo]

ejoslin wrote...

@sami jo, I agree so much with most of what you say (hah, I DO love to argue, don't I) but you are absolutely right that the only reason he's there is for the Warden. *sigh* I'm still all warm and fuzzy over all my testing of Charsen's mods, and your post just made me smile so much more so I had to comment and just say, yes, beautifully put.

/envy all these very articulate people here!

It hit me after my first mage playthrough- the one who had only romanced Allistair and got dumped publically on her little elven butt.  After everything they had been through, and all of them had sky high approval, the only one who was staying with her was Zevran-- the completely unromanced assassin who had never even flirted again after she told him that she wasn't offended but wasn't interested.  He stayed.  My first character had ended up with him after romancing everyone else he could, so it didn't seem odd that Zev would stay; but my mage was highly touched.  That was when I became a true fangirl. 

There is a post demon killing fic rattling around in my head for her in which she finally gets the guy she should have gone with (Zev, of course), but who knows if it will ever see paper.

[Ramante]

Sabriana wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote...

Sabriana wrote...
Okay, I'm leveling her up, giving her points in Magic, WIL and a few in DEX here and there. Am I doing it right?

Why in DEX? Maybe I missed something in your earlier posts, Sabriana, but if you're going for a pure caster Mage (no Arcane Warrior), Dexterity is useless, since you'll find many a item that will boost your Defense regardless of your Dexterity and then again the whole point is to not draw the attention of the big bad guys and stay behind

I'm trying to build a BloodMage/ArcaneWarrior, Andrea. And I'm completely out of my depth.

I'm the one who doesn't know what to do with her mage besides making her blood mage. =3
Right now she is a blood mage, so I have 7 levels to think about it. It feels really weird to pump points in constitution when building a mage... very weird. I never put points in constitution.

[Cuddlezarro]

I have a question about the Earring mod does it add the earring into your invantory even if you have already had the cutscene by the time you installed it?



I would test it out myself however I have a really bad headache coming on and really need to go lay down to get rid of it

[sami jo]

Sabriana wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote...

Sabriana wrote...
Okay, I'm leveling her up, giving her points in Magic, WIL and a few in DEX here and there. Am I doing it right?

Why in DEX? Maybe I missed something in your earlier posts, Sabriana, but if you're going for a pure caster Mage (no Arcane Warrior), Dexterity is useless, since you'll find many a item that will boost your Defense regardless of your Dexterity and then again the whole point is to not draw the attention of the big bad guys and stay behind

I'm trying to build a BloodMage/ArcaneWarrior, Andrea. And I'm completely out of my depth.

A bit of a dex boost isn't a bad idea.  My AW/SH pulled a crazy amount of aggro.  The top level AW ability makes the dex kind of a moot point (I can't remember the name) but you don't get it for a while.  I put a ton of points in willpower so that she could cast constantly without needing potions, but with the BM ability you might want to dump into con instead.

[Creature 1]

Regarding Taliesin's accent, Antiva City is on the coast, so I figure his parents were Ferelden and traveled there by ship for some reason, so he got the accent from them. As for why he still has it as an adult, maybe he cultivates it purposefully, either out of pride or for utility. I imagine it makes him useful for blending in on missions that take him to Ferelden. Considering travel by ship is the best way to travel long distances, and people hunted by Crows want to travel long distances, it isn't surprising that a coastal city like Denerim hosts Crows at times.

[Addai]

Hello lovelies.  Before I catch up on the night's posts, some screenies from Redcliffe.  Sereda has not yet been taken with the painted elf, but is starting to realize that a romance with a tall person might not be so bad.  Bann Teagan might have had something to do with that.  I've been waiting to actually catch Zevran staring, however, before I have her ask about him staring.

Speaking of staring, do you think Zevran is checking out her bum here?



The survival rate of ingrates is remarkably low. 




I like this shot a lot.  Even though they're not an item yet, it shows that the height difference is not really that great.