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[SurrealSadi]

Hehe. Amalia actually looks pretty, despite being Casteless. Didn't think I could make a dwarf I'd be happy to play, but I think she's it.

[Ramante]

Good morning everyone and sleep well everyone on the other side of the globe.

Very nice screenies CZ~



And now I have to hurry, my bus is leaving in 10 minutes and I need to pack my back, have breakfast and make food to take with me. I'm not going to make it.



@Sabriana, you let Isolde do the blood ritual? I'm going the same route I guess, I want that extra spell point.

[Sabriana]

Good luck, Ramante (catching the bus, I mean)

And yes, Isolde will be allowed to make amends for her deeds by sacrificing herself for her son and her people. There is just no way that any of PCs will take the risk of leaving Redcliffe to go traipsing over the country-side and leaving Redcliffe at the mercy of an abomination.

My dwarf is a caste-less too, Sadi. Her name is Lisse. Oh I so wish there was a mod to fix the dwarf female's arms.

[SurrealSadi]

Morning Ramante, and good luck with the bus!



Isolde always ends up quite dead with my runthroughs now



Ah. They aren't that bad in my eyes... I just wish the Duster Leather Armor skirt wasn't that short...

[Kryyptehk]

SurrealSadi wrote...


Ah. They aren't that bad in my eyes... I just wish the Duster Leather Armor skirt wasn't that short...

This. Holy crap, the first time I played a dwarf commoner I was shocked by how short her skirt was.

Are we sure Rica should be the one....errr... on the corner?

[SurrealSadi]

Kryyptehk wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...


Ah. They aren't that bad in my eyes... I just wish the Duster Leather Armor skirt wasn't that short...

This. Holy crap, the first time I played a dwarf commoner I was shocked by how short her skirt was.

Are we sure Rica should be the one....errr... on the corner?

Seriously.. When I first saw that I went, holy shyte, does it HAVE to be that short????

[Sannox]

Sabriana wrote...

I wish I would be able to just start my DC. She is so pretty (and so patient), but I don't seem to be able to get over the arms. Why, oh why do the female dwarfs have such Orang-Utan arms? The dwarf males don't. That is so not fair.

I think the female dwarves can have lovely faces, but the bodies are just strange.   The male dwarves look fine - they are just short and stocky.   But the female dwarves - it's not just the arms.   The waist is in the wrong place, the legs are a funny shape (wide from the side, but narrow from the front) and stuck on at the corners, the body is too short for the limbs.  It's such a shame.

[SurrealSadi]

Sannox wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

I wish I would be able to just start my DC. She is so pretty (and so patient), but I don't seem to be able to get over the arms. Why, oh why do the female dwarfs have such Orang-Utan arms? The dwarf males don't. That is so not fair.

I think the female dwarves can have lovely faces, but the bodies are just strange.   The male dwarves look fine - they are just short and stocky.   But the female dwarves - it's not just the arms.   The waist is in the wrong place, the legs are a funny shape (wide from the side, but narrow from the front) and stuck on at the corners, the body is too short for the limbs.  It's such a shame.

Yeah, the proportions are all wrong for the female dwarves.

[ejoslin]

Ok, I think I'm caught up! YAY (not so bad).

One thing I'm curious about, the VO comments for the "after tent" scene. (cursing my computer yet again) if anyone would mind looking those up! Aren't I terrible?

And Addai67, no, even with DT you don't get the proposal if you don't reject the earring the first time.

Edit: I suppose I'm mean, but I don't feel bad about rejecting the earring if Zevran is not willing to admit his feelings.  My wardens want him to face and accept and admit what's between the two of them 

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 mars 2010 - 11:01 .

[SurrealSadi]

*snicker* I can understand that, ejoslin. I feel the same.

Edit: Oh bugger... I wanted to use my dwarf rogue's image as my avatar, but the flarking site glitched and didn't upload her image!!!

Modifié par SurrealSadi, 15 mars 2010 - 11:08 .

[ejoslin]

Morning SurrealSadi! Do you feel the same about wanting Zevran to face his feelings, or about wanting to know the VO comments of the after tent sceen! *grin*

I'm also amazed that Fergus acknowledges his little brother marrying the queen, but not his little sister marrying the king! I guess I can understand it, really; it's far more impressive in that land for a woman to be leading the armies. It may have even been, in other circumstances, that that is a marriage that would have been arranged whereas a queen marrying a second son would be very unusual.

Edit: The other VO comments I'd like to see are the ones when he's forcing the warden to choose between him and someone else!

*sigh* I really REALLY need to figure out how to open the toolset.  I feel bad asking people to do this for me!

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 mars 2010 - 11:14 .

[SurrealSadi]

Morning! I agree with wanting Zev to face his feelings, cause it just makes for a better ending to the romance



He sort of does acknowledge it, but not as openly as he does his brother's impending marriage. It's weird.

[Minaleth]

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: I suppose I'm mean, but I don't feel bad about rejecting the earring if Zevran is not willing to admit his feelings.  My wardens want him to face and accept and admit what's between the two of them 

I view this situation bit differently. I do feel bad for rejecting first time, honestly I hate to do it.

If it was hypothetically a real situation:  I know what he means without saying it directly, and there is good chance that he knows that I know. Thus making him tell me something he is not comfortable with when it's not necessary makes me (imo) a not very nice person. Therefore I feel bad about doing it. It's about knowing where is the line you shouldn't cross not to screw things up. I just feel the line in this particular case is here or very close.

But roleplay wise this could be handled 100 different ways depending on what is PC's background and personality.

[Sannox]

ejoslin wrote..

Edit: I suppose I'm mean, but I don't feel bad about rejecting the earring if Zevran is not willing to admit his feelings.  My wardens want him to face and accept and admit what's between the two of them 

My female dwarf felt so bad that I had to reload.   The way I saw it, she was only just starting to understand it herself AND she hadn't admitted it to him.  (I don't think there's an option to come out with it first).    It seemed cruel.  

I made my male elf do it, because I wanted the dialogue at the end, but it still felt bad. 

I think both of my characters ended up feeling very protective of him (which is strange, because he can look after himself).    He is so caring, giving and considerate of the warden's feelings, that it seems mean to push him.   I can see why your wardens would want him to face it and admit it, but if it causes him pain at all, I think mine would be happy to wait.   The thing is, they already know from what he's told them about his past why he might find it difficult to talk about love.  But although he has difficulty talking about it, he has no difficulty at all in showing it.  

The earring is obviously a big deal for him, and to start putting conditions on accepting it - I struggle with that.  And he has nothing, as well.  That earring must have been the one precious thing he had been carrying around with him, like he did with his mother's gloves.  By giving it, he is showing you what he feels, and working his way towards telling you what he feels.   It's difficult for me to say that showing what he feels isn't good enough - that the gift isn't good enough unless there's a confession along with it.

I do think that something needs to be said before the Archdemon.  I do agree that you can't go off to the final battle without some acknowledgement that there's something between you.   But you do get that even if you accept the earring.   You just don't get the proposal.  

Getting the proposal means also getting your first argument, and the first time you hurt him (I know it all gets sorted out later, but I hate it).  My first character wanted to never argue and never hurt him.  Accepting the earring means having the chance to show him you care instead of insisting he spits it out first.    It's a difficult one.  I haven't decided what I'm going to do next time.

Modifié par Sannox, 15 mars 2010 - 11:40 .

[Sannox]

Minaleth wrote...

If it was hypothetically a real situation:  I know what he means without saying it directly, and there is good chance that he knows that I know. Thus making him tell me something he is not comfortable with when it's not necessary makes me (imo) a not very nice person. Therefore I feel bad about doing it. It's about knowing where is the line you shouldn't cross not to screw things up. I just feel the line in this particular case is here or very close.

But roleplay wise this could be handled 100 different ways depending on what is PC's background and personality.

You posted while I was typing.  I really agree with the above. 

[ejoslin]

I guess I go back to my first playthrough, where I rejected the earring with no metagaming. She had just gotten badly burned by Alistair (I should have seen it coming but didn't) and was not about to accept half-promises from someone else. She also had spent most of the game propping up Alistair, building him up, he wasn't hardened because I had no clue about any of that, but being supportive, understanding, and accepting and excusing when he started pulling away. I (yes *I* -- this was an emotional thing for ME as well) was not about to walk down that road again.

I think telling him that you will only accept it if it means something is actually very nice -- you're letting him know that you want it, but ONLY with strings. It's letting him know that you care about him, really. Just rejecting it outright is mean (and can earn you MAJOR disapproval), but telling him you want it as a token of affection -- is that so different from him telling you, "If there's to be something between us, let it be honest, or not at all"?

Maybe that's why it leads to a proposal. Because you have told him first you want it to be MORE between the two of you. Not just another no-strings-attached thing (whether as a gift or as a relationship).

Did that make sense it all?

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 mars 2010 - 11:53 .

[Minaleth]

Sannox, you read my mind. Exactly my thoughts.

[SurrealSadi]

okies. it's 8am. Something is telling me to sleep. See you all later!

[ejoslin]

Hmmmm, I have to address this. It's NOT saying that the gift isn't good enough -- it's telling him you want MORE than just another no-strings-attached thing from him. I mean, you can reject it outright, and that IS mean. I don't argue with that. But when you're telling him, "I will only accept it if it's a token of affection," you're not saying it's not good enough or that you need him to say something. You're telling him YOU need more from him, from the relationship.



You two have no commitment, and he made it painfully obvious in many ways that you are free to do what you want, he won't make a claim on you, that it is just something to do for fun. When you turn down the earring because it doesn't mean anything, you are letting him know that is no longer enough for you.



At least, that's how I see it. It's always been my reaction, though. I thought I was telling Zevran right there that my warden wanted more -- and since it may end up with a proposal, it could be he took it that way as well.



I hope that's clearer than my last post on it!



Night night (or morning, or whatever) SurrealSadi. Rest well!

[Sabriana]

Nite Sadi.

I agree with you Ejoslin. Perhaps because our first play-throughs were almost mirror images, so to speak. Zevran wants commitment quite often during the game. He forces a choice, he wants to be told to stay, and is happiest if told that she is glad to have him.

But he also keeps stating that the relationship is "no strings attached". Well, by that point my PC is attached, and she wants him to know it. And she wants him to embrace it. If he can't, then the relationship has just hit rocky waters. But I believe he knows exactly that this is her objective, and he knows that the "it's all fun under the sun" attitude doesn't work anymore.

She knows she can't just blurt out "I love you". But she can let him know in another way, by attaching significance to the earring.

[MutantSpleen]

Well I just finished my dwarf noble run this weekend and after Alistair dumped me I jumped into bed with Zevran, I guess as a rebound. However I noticed how sweet he gets as you get his approval really high, it was a new side of him. he gave me his ear ring. So I ended the game with Zevran as my love and we went off to Amaranthine. So I am dying to find out what happens in Awakenings.

[Minaleth]

ejoslin wrote...
I guess I go back to my first playthrough, where I rejected the earring with no metagaming. She had just gotten badly burned by Alistair (I should have seen it coming but didn't) and was not about to accept half-promises from someone else. She also had spent most of the game propping up Alistair, building him up, he wasn't hardened because I had no clue about any of that, but being supportive, understanding, and accepting and excusing when he started pulling away. I (yes *I* -- this was an emotional thing for ME as well) was not about to walk down that road again.

Your  no-metagame playthrough is one of most interesting take on DA:O romances I've read. Both from roleplay point of view and from player point of view. 

ejoslin wrote...
I think telling him that you will only accept it if it means something is actually very nice -- you're letting him know that you want it, but ONLY with strings. It's letting him know that you care about him, really. Just rejecting it outright is mean (and can earn you MAJOR disapproval), but telling him you want it as a token of affection -- is that so different from him telling you, "If there's to be something between us, let it be honest, or not at all"?

It could be nice, I see that. I can roleplay a character like this, but it would still make me feel bad. Please I do not imply here that anyone should feel bad too. No. We just differ and that's good thing.

The "either them or me" request is in my very humble opinion a little tiny bit out of Zevran's character. I believe there is gamplay decision somewhere behind this. I might be wrong, but this is my impression. In a way I like he says that, but I could imagine very zevranish Zevran without such harsh view on relationships before he falls in love. This sort of dialogue should happen only after hitting 100 Love imho.
 

ejoslin wrote...
Maybe that's why it leads to a proposal. Because you have told him first you want it to be MORE between the two of you. Not just another no-strings-attached thing (whether as a gift or as a relationship).
Did that make sense it all?

Yes it does.
My different view probably comes from my belief in absolutely committed relationships without strings attached (I am not married e.g. but in long-term relationship). Maybe I would not coincide on this matter with Zevran either, but thank maker my PCs date him and not me
I see that you like that PC hints she wants something more and eventually gets it (in a way), but I would prefer some other way. Refusing a gift when I know it's big deal for a guy is for me too much on the blackmail side of things. I could handle such situation more gently and would prefer it. The idea is good but execution is not my cup of tea.

[Sannox]

ejoslin wrote...
I think telling him that you will only accept it if it means something is actually very nice -- you're letting him know that you want it, but ONLY with strings. It's letting him know that you care about him, really. Just rejecting it outright is mean (and can earn you MAJOR disapproval), but telling him you want it as a token of affection -- is that so different from him telling you, "If there's to be something between us, let it be honest, or not at all"?

Maybe that's why it leads to a proposal. Because you have told him first you want it to be MORE between the two of you. Not just another no-strings-attached thing (whether as a gift or as a relationship).

Did that make sense it all?

It does make sense, and my warden (or me!) went through a similar thought process when she chose that option - that he was making a sort of confession with the gift, and she was making one in return.  But you don't have the option to say something like 'It means something to me'.   You can only push for him to say it.  After seeing his reaction, my dwarf would have ran after him and apologised and explained, but again there wasn't that option (it's difficult fitting your character around the dialogue options sometimes ).  

[ejoslin]

Yeh, it's kind of like the Alistair "hardening" comments. Where you can be loving and supportive, or you can be harsh and wake him up to the realities of life.

Heh, in some ways, maybe you can view the earring as that! Instead of a hardening, a softening!

Edit: With the limited dialog choices, you do need to roleplay some.  When my Warden is telling Zevran, "I'll only accept it if it means something," she's telling him that it will mean something to her and it would hurt too much if he didn't feel the same.

There are implied conversations that don't take place, though.  I do think those conversations happen, however.  Like, when a city elf after their visit to the alienage tells Zevran that they'll talk later, I think they really do talk about it.  Even Leliana says something about the warden and her talking late at night while standing guard together.  So you can fill in those blanks quite easily.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 mars 2010 - 12:23 .

[Sabriana]

Hmm, seeing as that the forcing of a choice doesn't come until he hits 71+, it's not too OOC, in my opinion (must tack that on, it's an single player RPG after all). That is also the point in the relationship where he stays and fights Talisen, and where he opens up about Rinna.

It seems that he hits a point there, where he himself feels that he somehow got in deeper than he ever expected to get. He is in territory he was never in before, and he doesn't know what to do or how to do it. My PC does want strings attached, and she wants him to know it.