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[Creature 1]

That's a bit contrived, IMO. If I were planning on taking over a country, I'd take care of my opponents in a more permanent way. Squeamishness about killing Eamon is inconsistent with his betrayal of Cailan.

[barkingM1]

Creature 1 wrote...

Swifty wrote...
Frankly if the mages aren't allowed to see their parents that would be sheer idiocy too because kids would be running for home all the time.

There's a giant door watched by Templars that keeping them from running off.  Plus they get shipped to the Tower from all over Ferelden, and some of these kids are going to be so young they might not even know their parents' names ("What's your mom's name?"  "Ma!"), much less what town they live in.  They certainly wouldn't be able to break out of the Tower and trek over hundreds of miles of unfamiliar terrain to reach home! 

Remember in the mage origin, if you ask the Templar guarding the front door if there's another way out what he says?  "Well, you could always jump out one of the upper windows, but you go splat & I don't recommend it."  Or words to that effect.   And your other questions are things like "What's out there?" as if you've never seen the light of day.  Sounds a lot like a prison to me. 

[Swifty]

Creature 1 wrote...

Swifty wrote...
Frankly if the mages aren't allowed to see their parents that would be sheer idiocy too because kids would be running for home all the time.

There's a giant door watched by Templars that keeping them from running off.  Plus they get shipped to the Tower from all over Ferelden, and some of these kids are going to be so young they might not even know their parents' names ("What's your mom's name?"  "Ma!"), much less what town they live in.  They certainly wouldn't be able to break out of the Tower and trek over hundreds of miles of unfamiliar terrain to reach home! 

I have only a few things to say to that about kids running away. Untrue. Charley Wenjack [10] and Rabbit Proof Fence [8 & 10] . Kids ran away from forced schooling and prisons all throughout history. Some of my relatives did it. Some kids will find a way, tower or no.

So what I'm saying is that the mages/templars are plain butt-stupid if they don't keep the kids in contact if their parents if the kids and parents wish it. It may be canon in the story, though.

I say we let Zevran run the Templars. Oops no, no options in the story:blink:

[Swifty]

Creature 1 wrote...

That's a bit contrived, IMO. If I were planning on taking over a country, I'd take care of my opponents in a more permanent way. Squeamishness about killing Eamon is inconsistent with his betrayal of Cailan.

Unless his "betrayal" wasn't as it appeared.

[Swifty]

barkingM1 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Swifty wrote...
Frankly if the mages aren't allowed to see their parents that would be sheer idiocy too because kids would be running for home all the time.

There's a giant door watched by Templars that keeping them from running off.  Plus they get shipped to the Tower from all over Ferelden, and some of these kids are going to be so young they might not even know their parents' names ("What's your mom's name?"  "Ma!"), much less what town they live in.  They certainly wouldn't be able to break out of the Tower and trek over hundreds of miles of unfamiliar terrain to reach home! 

Remember in the mage origin, if you ask the Templar guarding the front door if there's another way out what he says?  "Well, you could always jump out one of the upper windows, but you go splat & I don't recommend it."  Or words to that effect.   And your other questions are things like "What's out there?" as if you've never seen the light of day.  Sounds a lot like a prison to me. 

Agreed. However there's always some way out for some kids or there wouldn't be any apostates running loose. Remember that Aneirin gets out, as do Jowan and a number of other mages.

[jenovan]

Charsen wrote...

Dear Addai,



Love, 
Zevran's thighs

P.S. kneepads 

 (yes, even to the kneepads  )

Sabriana wrote...

Jenovan, David Gaider said that in the infamous "The complete defense of Loghain" thread. He said this:

D. Gaider's take on Eamon's poisoning:

Yes, but this wasn't done in preparation for Ostagar. This was done in anticipation that Loghain and Cailan would have a showdown, and Arl Eamon would always solidly be in Cailan's camp. Like I said, Loghain is the sort of man that will ensure his enemies are defeated before they're engaged.

I know this isn't spelled out, but Eamon was never supposed to actually die from the poison. It would keep him sick for a long time -- certainly long enough for Isolde to try all their options and send out knights looking for remedies -- and then, once the confrontation with Cailan was done, Eamon could be given the cure.

Innnteresting... thanks! 

Although that makes me wonder what Loghain's explanation for the "miracle cure" would be.

[Sabriana]

Oh my, it's getting close to the day that the Americans will get the xpack. Lucky Swiss got it two days ago. Anyway, I expect to be totally spoiled about how the romances get handled. As a matter of fact, I insist on it.

[Addai]

Charsen wrote...
Love, 
Zevran's thighs

Love back at you, you sexy gams! 

Edit:  Oh my, I can picture some of my husband's RL friends reading this board, recognizing his login and saying WTF?!  because they don't know his wife has co-opted it *dies*

Modifié par Addai67, 15 mars 2010 - 07:28 .

[Creature 1]

Swifty wrote...
I have only a few things to say to that about kids running away. Untrue. Charley Wenjack [10] and Rabbit Proof Fence [8 & 10] . Kids ran away from forced schooling and prisons all throughout history. Some of my relatives did it. Some kids will find a way, tower or no.

There are five criminals who attempted to escape from Alcatraz and were not recaptured.  But the disclaimer is "Results are not typical".  Most people who've attempted to escape Alcatraz were either caught or killed (and these five probably drowned).  Same for people escaping the Tower.  Assuming they did get off Tower grounds, the Templars would simply use their phylacteries to track them down and then either return them to the Tower or kill them.  Knowing the Templars, any kid returned to the Tower would get a beating they'd never forget to knock the rebellious spirit out of them. 

[Creature 1]

Swifty wrote...

barkingM1 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Swifty wrote...
Frankly if the mages aren't allowed to see their parents that would be sheer idiocy too because kids would be running for home all the time.

There's a giant door watched by Templars that keeping them from running off.  Plus they get shipped to the Tower from all over Ferelden, and some of these kids are going to be so young they might not even know their parents' names ("What's your mom's name?"  "Ma!"), much less what town they live in.  They certainly wouldn't be able to break out of the Tower and trek over hundreds of miles of unfamiliar terrain to reach home! 

Remember in the mage origin, if you ask the Templar guarding the front door if there's another way out what he says?  "Well, you could always jump out one of the upper windows, but you go splat & I don't recommend it."  Or words to that effect.   And your other questions are things like "What's out there?" as if you've never seen the light of day.  Sounds a lot like a prison to me. 

Agreed. However there's always some way out for some kids or there wouldn't be any apostates running loose. Remember that Aneirin gets out, as do Jowan and a number of other mages.

Most apostates never were taken to the Circle in the first place. 

[Swifty]

@Jenovan



Wouldn't need much of an explanation--after all isn't there some sort of plague in the Alienage? It could be palmed off on one of the elven servants making him sick, could it not?

[Swifty]

Creature 1 wrote...

Swifty wrote...

barkingM1 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Swifty wrote...
Frankly if the mages aren't allowed to see their parents that would be sheer idiocy too because kids would be running for home all the time.

There's a giant door watched by Templars that keeping them from running off.  Plus they get shipped to the Tower from all over Ferelden, and some of these kids are going to be so young they might not even know their parents' names ("What's your mom's name?"  "Ma!"), much less what town they live in.  They certainly wouldn't be able to break out of the Tower and trek over hundreds of miles of unfamiliar terrain to reach home! 

Remember in the mage origin, if you ask the Templar guarding the front door if there's another way out what he says?  "Well, you could always jump out one of the upper windows, but you go splat & I don't recommend it."  Or words to that effect.   And your other questions are things like "What's out there?" as if you've never seen the light of day.  Sounds a lot like a prison to me. 

Agreed. However there's always some way out for some kids or there wouldn't be any apostates running loose. Remember that Aneirin gets out, as do Jowan and a number of other mages.

Most apostates never were taken to the Circle in the first place. 

I just named two right there and you're still debating they can't ever get out?

[MorGothic]

Addai67 wrote...

MorGothic wrote...

I am not saying Loghain's actions were right, I just don't belive he should be branded a traitor.         

Ok one more reply on this subject and then I'm ending hijack.  Because Zevsquee is a lot more fun than Loghain hate!

The novels underscore Loghain's treachery to me because it makes it that much more inconceivable that he could betray Maric and Rowan's son.  The background of Loghain's experiences make him a more tragic figure in my mind, but not less culpable.  You mentioned Loghain's father.  He would have every reason to be as paranoid and vengeful as his son, but considering his reaction to Maric, what do you think he would say about Loghain's actions?
Ok, can someone put up a screen of Zevran's thighs please?  Priorities, priorities. 

Last comment from me too.

Yes Loghian's Father was loyal to the true bloodline, Loghain on the other hand is loyal to Maric ("he is Maric's son and king of our beloved Ferelden"), he sees Cailan as endangering everything He, Maric and Rowen fought for. I do belive his father would have been appaled at what Loghain did, so we agree there.

*Ending Hijack....*

*Insert Zevsquee here*

[barkingM1]

Swifty wrote...

barkingM1 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Swifty wrote...
Frankly if the mages aren't allowed to see their parents that would be sheer idiocy too because kids would be running for home all the time.

There's a giant door watched by Templars that keeping them from running off.  Plus they get shipped to the Tower from all over Ferelden, and some of these kids are going to be so young they might not even know their parents' names ("What's your mom's name?"  "Ma!"), much less what town they live in.  They certainly wouldn't be able to break out of the Tower and trek over hundreds of miles of unfamiliar terrain to reach home! 

Remember in the mage origin, if you ask the Templar guarding the front door if there's another way out what he says?  "Well, you could always jump out one of the upper windows, but you go splat & I don't recommend it."  Or words to that effect.   And your other questions are things like "What's out there?" as if you've never seen the light of day.  Sounds a lot like a prison to me. 

Agreed. However there's always some way out for some kids or there wouldn't be any apostates running loose. Remember that Aneirin gets out, as do Jowan and a number of other mages.

True for you.  My own take is that the Tower wouldn't allow parental visitations in order to thoroughly indoctrinate their little Wynne-to-be's.  Also, seems like in Ferelden most people are so afraid of mages that most of the parents who give up their kids wouldn't want to see them any more.  Which isn't to say many of the inmates wouldn't hate their life & jump at the chance to get away - my pc included. 

[Sabriana]

Well, I'm going to play a little.
I shall leave you with this, my all-time favorite.




Romance happens. Even on a pile of corpses.

[Minaleth]

Charsen wrote...
Dear Addai,

Love, 
Zevran's thighs

P.S. kneepads 

ROFL 
This thread is a lovefest indeed 

[AndreaDraco]

I'll be once again vague...



... the last companion of the expansion was revealed. Am I the only one who got a decise Zevran vibe from the trailer? The two of them are not comparable, of course, but this new companion seems to share at least Zev's premise

[Swifty]

barkingM1 wrote...

Swifty wrote...

barkingM1 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Swifty wrote...
Frankly if the mages aren't allowed to see their parents that would be sheer idiocy too because kids would be running for home all the time.

There's a giant door watched by Templars that keeping them from running off.  Plus they get shipped to the Tower from all over Ferelden, and some of these kids are going to be so young they might not even know their parents' names ("What's your mom's name?"  "Ma!"), much less what town they live in.  They certainly wouldn't be able to break out of the Tower and trek over hundreds of miles of unfamiliar terrain to reach home! 

Remember in the mage origin, if you ask the Templar guarding the front door if there's another way out what he says?  "Well, you could always jump out one of the upper windows, but you go splat & I don't recommend it."  Or words to that effect.   And your other questions are things like "What's out there?" as if you've never seen the light of day.  Sounds a lot like a prison to me. 

Agreed. However there's always some way out for some kids or there wouldn't be any apostates running loose. Remember that Aneirin gets out, as do Jowan and a number of other mages.

True for you.  My own take is that the Tower wouldn't allow parental visitations in order to thoroughly indoctrinate their little Wynne-to-be's.  Also, seems like in Ferelden most people are so afraid of mages that most of the parents who give up their kids wouldn't want to see them any more.  Which isn't to say many of the inmates wouldn't hate their life & jump at the chance to get away - my pc included. 

Mine too *lol* One of the hoots is the intimidation you get as a mage. "And I'll turn you into a frog or make your head burst into flames" stuff!

And yeah, the indoctrination I get--it happens in RL as well. Just sayin' some would escape and the policy is stupid and would cause more running away.

Which actually relates to Zevran and his forcible indoctrination into the Crows. Same story--different organization.

[Addai]

AndreaDraco wrote...

... the last companion of the expansion was revealed. Am I the only one who got a decise Zevran vibe from the trailer? The two of them are not comparable, of course, but this new companion seems to share at least Zev's premise

That doesn't sound promising.  I want Zevran, not Zevran's premise. 

[Creature 1]

Swifty wrote...
I just named two right there and you're still debating they can't ever get out?

Please read above post.  Results are not typical.  You're not going to end up with the problem of hordes of children rappelling down the walls of the Tower and swimming across the lake to hike 500 miles home to see Mom and Dad. 

[jenovan]

Swifty wrote...

@Jenovan

Wouldn't need much of an explanation--after all isn't there some sort of plague in the Alienage? It could be palmed off on one of the elven servants making him sick, could it not?

Hmm, I think for the comment you're referring to, I meant an explanation would be needed for "Loghain would send an antidote if Eamon got worse".  I mean, the obvious thing to say would be something like, "oh, well, this IS the capital and we have physicians/mages/etc. that you don't in Redcliffe", but.... still would seem highly suspicious, I would think.

[Cuddlezarro]

AndreaDraco wrote...

I'll be once again vague...

... the last companion of the expansion was revealed. Am I the only one who got a decise Zevran vibe from the trailer? The two of them are not comparable, of course, but this new companion seems to share at least Zev's premise

Nathaniel is hot... im so going to have fun destroying his perception of his father however

[Cuddlezarro]

Addai67 wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote...

... the last companion of the expansion was revealed. Am I the only one who got a decise Zevran vibe from the trailer? The two of them are not comparable, of course, but this new companion seems to share at least Zev's premise

That doesn't sound promising.  I want Zevran, not Zevran's premise. 

its not the same premise as Zevran, the character isnt trying to commit suicide(though he might as well be taking on the main character) and really really doesnt like you

[Sabriana]

Thanks, Andrea. I agree, he even has Zevran's hair (in dark). Aaannd people are already calling for his blood. Without even knowing anything about him. Sounds hauntingly familiar

[MorGothic]

Sabriana wrote...

Oh my, it's getting close to the day that the Americans will get the xpack. Lucky Swiss got it two days ago. Anyway, I expect to be totally spoiled about how the romances get handled. As a matter of fact, I insist on it.

I was going to make a post about this as Awakening isn't released here until the 19th (and I've pre-ordered mine so I'm sure when its going turn up).

I want to know how Romances are handled, but I was going to beg people not to post Awakening storyline spoiler's, I've exiled myself from the Awakening Forum to avoid them and don't want to have to exile myself from this thread too...

Charsen wrote...

MorGothic i would recommend checking out
hmm... aha: SilentCid for
his video tutorials and also dragonage22
but those are sometimes a little vague imo, that will at least get you
eased into the basics! from that point it depends on what part of the
toolset piques your interest - i agree though, the toolset wiki is
frustrating and the toolset forum is basically dead so if you have a
question, good luck getting an answer *thumbs in eyes*

Thanks