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[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ah, then you had the romance turned on already.  Just like when you can get him to ask for a kiss, if the romance isn't on yet, you can ask, "You want to kiss me?"  And he'll answer, "Well, you are a lovely lady.  I am a lovely man.  Sound familiar?"  It's hard keeping it at just warm to get a few of these, though.

Hmmm, I wonder if I can mess with that a bit. I'd given him one of the metal bars right before that conversation -- otherwise the conversation wasn't coming up.  Maybe I can try a small gift rather than one of the big ones to see if I can inch the approval up a bit?


Hmm, you know.. part of Zevran's concern for the future may be that he feels that he truly has nowhere else to go. (I'm not going to get in to whether or not Alistair really does... but he has more options, I think.)  The PC freed him from the Crows (and will do a more thorough job later), and has opened up a new path for him.   Even if only friends, I could see where he would want to stay with someone who made him feel like something more than a killing tool.

Giving gifts doesn't turn on the romance.  Your best bet for avoiding turning it on is keep extremely platonic on the other dialogs.  There always are two positive answers it seems, one leading to a romance, one staying at friendship, in the early dialogs. " What is it you fancy" definitely turns on the romance, while, "why didn't you just leave," does not, yet both lead to positive approval.  If you're below 25 and have turned on the romance, instead of saying "neutral" it will have nothing there at all.  But some of the later flirty dialogs are good -- but it's also the reason why I can't resist starting the romance.

And you're right -- I never really looked at it that way before.  It certainly explains why Zevran will stay with the PC to rebuild the gray wardens as a friend or as a lover.  And it very well could be the reason he wants to know from the start whether there's a chance of it being more than friendship.  He says it himself, he is nothing if not a gentleman!  Which is funny, but really is true.

I think it's pretty heartbreaking when you give him the gloves.  Though you can get three different feeling reactions depending on the initial dialog choices, in all three there is that total disbelief and complete appreciation. "No one's ever simply given me a gift before.  Thank you."  He accepts kindness, though there obviously has been precious little of it in his life (unlike Morrigan, whose initial reaction to the mirror was suspicion).

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...
Giving gifts doesn't turn on the romance.  Your best bet for avoiding turning it on is keep extremely platonic on the other dialogs.  There always are two positive answers it seems, one leading to a romance, one staying at friendship, in the early dialogs. " What is it you fancy" definitely turns on the romance, while, "why didn't you just leave," does not, yet both lead to positive approval.  If you're below 25 and have turned on the romance, instead of saying "neutral" it will have nothing there at all.  But some of the later flirty dialogs are good -- but it's also the reason why I can't resist starting the romance.

And you're right -- I never really looked at it that way before.  It certainly explains why Zevran will stay with the PC to rebuild the gray wardens as a friend or as a lover.  And it very well could be the reason he wants to know from the start whether there's a chance of it being more than friendship.  He says it himself, he is nothing if not a gentleman!  Which is funny, but really is true.

I think it's pretty heartbreaking when you give him the gloves.  Though you can get three different feeling reactions depending on the initial dialog choices, in all three there is that total disbelief and complete appreciation. "No one's ever simply given me a gift before.  Thank you."  He accepts kindness, though there obviously has been precious little of it in his life (unlike Morrigan, whose initial reaction to the mirror was suspicion).

Oooh, I wondered why the approval "nickname" was  blank!   I was like "so and so can't possibly still be neutral at that level??" Talk about weird and misleading...   Anyway, I'm doomed, then -- I can never resist choosing the "What do you fancy" option, because I love Zevran's answer.  Maybe on some separate playthrough. XD

Yes, I found the gloves dialogue really touching :3   (Although the first time I heard it, I was a little unnerved by Zevran's "Gloves? Why are you giving me gloves?"  He sounds so suspicious, or impatient!)   Actually, giving him the gloves was what pushed him into reciting the poem for the PC on that playthrough, so that was interesting... From a storytelling point of view, I saw him getting the gloves, and then thinking about that for a while, kind of realizing/analyzing how much he felt for the PC... and bringing up the poem in their next private moment.  It made for a sweet little arc. 

[ejoslin]

jenovan, you know, I think you managed to somewhat clear up for me what was going on with Zevran in the beginning. Actually, if you're already romancing him when you ask him what he fancies, he answers, "For the moment I fancy you. Which is convenient, seeing as I'm following you around the countryside. At least until you grow tired of me and kill me, which tends to spoil the mood."

He probably had no clue why the PC spared him, but knows why most seem to want him around. That also explains why, if in that first conversation he initiates, if you tell him you can always think of a use for a handsome elf, he doesn't mind, but if you say or imply anything like that in later conversations, you do lose approval. It's obvious his feelings deepened before the Taliesin encounter, but being forced to choose between his old and new life forced him to confront his feelings.

Thank you! Even more depth to this amazingly deep story.

Edit: I don't mean to say that he was using the PC -- I still think his feelings were from the start, but only because of a couple of comments you can make to other party members. I think more he was expecting to be used and thought it was a fair exchange for his life.  By the time you get to later conversations, asking him about his adventures and such, a lot of the suspicion is gone, but in some of the earlier conversations, there are some pretty bad dialog responses (like when he asks if the PC is planning on peddling him out to wealthy noble women) if you go down that route.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 janvier 2010 - 08:10 .

[ejoslin]

thenyxie wrote...

Not a romance question, but maybe you all can help me. I'm not romancing Zevran, so is it possible to get his approval rating to 100%? I've given him the boots, the gloves, and I think one silver bar, exhausted all conversations, and he still isn't allowing an opening for telling me about his last kill. I have an option to end things, though, even though I'm not romancing him, so I expect I will also have to choose that option sometime in the future since I'm romancing someone else. Is giving him the other three bars the only way? Even then I'm going to take a hit for having to end things, which I want to do before Ali asks me to, so the hit I take from Zev is less. But given all this, I can't see a way to hit 100% with him as a friend.

ETA: Are there decisions I can make on the road to bring him up? I've been keeping him with me constantly, but mostly he seems neutral about everything.

If you have an option to end it, you are romancing him, and if you get the approval high enough to get the last dialog, you will first have to break up with either him or whomever you're romancing.  But you will take a huge approval hit for the breakup -- best way to do it, though it will end it permanently so make sure you want to, is go ot his tent (yes), and be very nice, pick the "hmmmm, I had forgotten about that" dialog option, make sure you tell him, "about damn time" but afterwards, when you talk to him, tell him that it can never happen again.  Romance over, and you don't get the -26 approval hit.  You may get about 3 approval, but that's only if you answer the first part the way I just told you to.  Because breaking up with Zevran is major disapproval.

[Walina]

It's a bit late but still : thanks for the reply, I would've hoped to get him earlier so I could "discover" more of his character.

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...

jenovan, you know, I think you managed to somewhat clear up for me what was going on with Zevran in the beginning. Actually, if you're already romancing him when you ask him what he fancies, he answers, "For the moment I fancy you. Which is convenient, seeing as I'm following you around the countryside. At least until you grow tired of me and kill me, which tends to spoil the mood."

Wow, what is his tone like when he says that?  If it's not joking, that sounds so very jaded!  Ouch!

ejoslin wrote...
He probably had no clue why the PC spared him, but knows why most seem to want him around. That also explains why, if in that first conversation he initiates, if you tell him you can always think of a use for a handsome elf, he doesn't mind, but if you say or imply anything like that in later conversations, you do lose approval. It's obvious his feelings deepened before the Taliesin encounter, but being forced to choose between his old and new life forced him to confront his feelings.

Thank you! Even more depth to this amazingly deep story.

Edit: I don't mean to say that he was using the PC -- I still think his feelings were from the start, but only because of a couple of comments you can make to other party members. I think more he was expecting to be used and thought it was a fair exchange for his life.  By the time you get to later conversations, asking him about his adventures and such, a lot of the suspicion is gone, but in some of the earlier conversations, there are some pretty bad dialog responses (like when he asks if the PC is planning on peddling him out to wealthy noble women) if you go down that route.

Yes, I remember getting a few of those rather unpleasant responses just playing around with the options -- though I seem to have quickly put them out of mind!  Shows how unpleasant they were, I guess!   I hadn't thought of it that way, I guess looking through my PC's eyes, he (the PC) is trying to help Zevran be free, but Zevran doesnt' really know that yet, and he did swear to serve the PC.  Perhaps he's still thinking of himself as a commodity rather than a person.. or rather, that the PC is yet another who sees him that way

[remylass]

ugh. Zevran is so sleazy and icky. He is fun to talk to, but the actual thought of romance....blech.

[AnniLau]

remylass wrote...

ugh. Zevran is so sleazy and icky. He is fun to talk to, but the actual thought of romance....blech.

You obviously have not read this whole thread and/or spent enough time in-game actually getting to know him.

[Addai]

remylass wrote...

ugh. Zevran is so sleazy and icky. He is fun to talk to, but the actual thought of romance....blech.

Uh... read the thread.  Or not, since you seem to have made up your mind.

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...



Yes, I remember getting a few of those rather unpleasant responses just playing around with the options -- though I seem to have quickly put them out of mind!  Shows how unpleasant they were, I guess!   I hadn't thought of it that way, I guess looking through my PC's eyes, he (the PC) is trying to help Zevran be free, but Zevran doesnt' really know that yet, and he did swear to serve the PC.  Perhaps he's still thinking of himself as a commodity rather than a person.. or rather, that the PC is yet another who sees him that way

hmmm, I had to relisten the first one -- I got it a bit wrong.  What he says is ". . . providing you don't decide to kill me along the way.  It spoils the mood, so I'm told."  Nothing about getting tired of him.  Still, yes, it doesn't come across as light, though it could be joking.  It's actually a bit jarring compared to what he says if he's not romancing you yet, but that makes sense since the perspective of the question is very different.  

There really is some very disturbing dialog when he lets more personal things slip.  I love his answer if you tell him you're not a murderer, he'll ask you if the people you've killed would share the same opinion.  And if you ask him if he ever killed an innocent, you can tell that it bothers him that he has.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 janvier 2010 - 10:18 .

[Herr Uhl]

ejoslin wrote...
There really is some very disturbing dialog when he lets more personal things slip.  I love his answer if you tell him you're not a murderer, he'll ask you if the people you've killed would share the same opinion.  And if you ask him if he ever killed an innocent, you can tell that it bothers him that he has.

Yes, the "death happens" dialog. He is trying to justify it to himself, rather than you.

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...
hmmm, I had to relisten the first one -- I got it a bit wrong.  What he says is ". . . providing you don't decide to kill me along the way.  It spoils the mood, so I'm told."  Nothing about getting tired of him.  Still, yes, it doesn't come across as light, though it could be joking.  It's actually a bit jarring compared to what he says if he's not romancing you yet, but that makes sense since the perspective of the question is very different. 

Hmmm, yes   I suppose from his point of view at that time, the PC should know he fancies her/him!  So it sounds like an disingeneous question from the PC.  Or something.

ejoslin wrote...
There really is some very disturbing dialog when he lets more personal things slip.  I love his answer if you tell him you're not a murderer, he'll ask you if the people you've killed would share the same opinion.  And if you ask him if he ever killed an innocent, you can tell that it bothers him that he has.

Oh, definitely.   Talking about more personal things, I found this when asking him about his adventures for the first time:

PC: I meant your time as a Crow.
Zevran: You mean you want to hear about the grueling training? Being locked in an oubliette for weeks at a time? The slavery?  The festering injuries? Or are we seeking something more glamorous?
PC: Was it really so terrible?
Zevran: Oh, those things never happened to me.

Ouch!  I was afraid I would take an approval hit for that, but it doesn't seem to come out as any less than some other options, so if there was a hit, it wasn't much.

Modifié par jenovan, 15 janvier 2010 - 11:04 .

[ejoslin]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
There really is some very disturbing dialog when he lets more personal things slip.  I love his answer if you tell him you're not a murderer, he'll ask you if the people you've killed would share the same opinion.  And if you ask him if he ever killed an innocent, you can tell that it bothers him that he has.

Yes, the "death happens" dialog. He is trying to justify it to himself, rather than you.

Perhaps, I don't know.  That particular conversation is pretty sick -- I think that's the one where he'll ask you if you plan to peddle him off to rich noble women.  It's almost like he's trying to present himself in the worst possible light to the PC.  In a later conversation he'll express regrets that being cold does not come naturally to him (if you don't worry about the approval hit, that is), but that one in particular struck me as him just trying to make himself sound as despicable as possible.

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...


PC: I meant your time as a Crow.
Zevran: You mean you want to hear about the grueling training? Being locked in an oubliette for weeks at a time? The slavery?  The festering injuries? Or are we seeking something more glamorous?
PC: Was it really so terrible?
Zevran: Oh, those things never happened to me.

Ouch!  I was afraid I would take an approval hit for that, but it doesn't seem to come out as any less than some other options, so if there was a hit, it wasn't much.

Heh, yet, in the fade, he refers to his dream as a bad memory, so he most likely was tortured as part of his initiation.  Though his asking what happened to the wood nymphs really I thought was one of the best insights into his character in the game. I wonder if you could make a parellel to that conversation.  I have a feeling he would never reveal the full horror of his life, and the fact that he is grateful as it could have been much worse says so much about him as well.

Edit: I've noticed the best way to get approval with Zevran is to let him know you want him there.  There are huge jumps when you choose things like, "I'm happy to have you here," and "I'm glad to have you along." I mean, you can go the total suck up route for max approval, but as long as you make him feel wanted, the approval will still go up.  And max approval is too easy for him, anyway.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 janvier 2010 - 11:31 .

[Bootsykk]

ejoslin wrote...

Juneya wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Juneya wrote...

QUESTION:

In the epilogue, is there a way to have a happier ending with Zevran? if so, tell me how, because every time my PC is forced to stay in court (lord knows why) and Zevran ends up blowing that popsicle joint. I've heard there's an option where you can run off to live on a boat with Sten and Zevran, and those two being my favorite characters I would love to find out how to get that in my epilogue

Hahahaha, no, you can't live on a boat with those two (there needs to be that option, I'd take it too), but you can rebuild the gray wardens with Zevran -- best ending there is.  Sten may invite you to go home with him, but even though my PC has accepted, it never shows up on an epilogue card.

Ohhh... I'd like that  do you remember the dialogue sequence to get this option?

At the end, just choose that you're going to rebuild the gray wardens and then when you talk to Zevran you have a few choices which are pretty obvious.  You can rebuild the gray wardens even if you are chancellor or queen.

Thanks, by the way.  I guess I know why I never got that option now. i always replied that I was unsure of what I was going to do at the moment.

[nyxocity]

ejoslin wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

Not a romance question, but maybe you all can help me. I'm not romancing Zevran, so is it possible to get his approval rating to 100%? I've given him the boots, the gloves, and I think one silver bar, exhausted all conversations, and he still isn't allowing an opening for telling me about his last kill. I have an option to end things, though, even though I'm not romancing him, so I expect I will also have to choose that option sometime in the future since I'm romancing someone else. Is giving him the other three bars the only way? Even then I'm going to take a hit for having to end things, which I want to do before Ali asks me to, so the hit I take from Zev is less. But given all this, I can't see a way to hit 100% with him as a friend.

ETA: Are there decisions I can make on the road to bring him up? I've been keeping him with me constantly, but mostly he seems neutral about everything.

If you have an option to end it, you are romancing him, and if you get the approval high enough to get the last dialog, you will first have to break up with either him or whomever you're romancing.  But you will take a huge approval hit for the breakup -- best way to do it, though it will end it permanently so make sure you want to, is go ot his tent (yes), and be very nice, pick the "hmmmm, I had forgotten about that" dialog option, make sure you tell him, "about damn time" but afterwards, when you talk to him, tell him that it can never happen again.  Romance over, and you don't get the -26 approval hit.  You may get about 3 approval, but that's only if you answer the first part the way I just told you to.  Because breaking up with Zevran is major disapproval.

Oh, that is excellent, thank you so much! As for conversation ending things, I've only ever gotten a -11 for ending it before--wow, -26?

You know, it's funny, but I always saw that in Zevran; the fact that he wanted to know he was wanted around, right from the very beginning. That he doesn't know why you've saved him and is hoping it's a 'home' of sorts, but isn't sure.

I am playing two games at once currently, switching back and forth. The older one wanting to be friends is with my female elf theif. In my most recent one I made a male elf mage who I'm intending will romance Zevran when he comes along, which should be right after the Brecilian Forest (where I went first to get the AM specialization). I'm really looking forward to it. Every time before I've played a female and I cannot stay away from Alistair because he's very there and very charming and I really do adore his character. I know you hate him, but, to each their own.

Also, with regard to Morrigan, that's strange! The last two times I gave her the mirror she reacted with nothing but surprise and being touched. Maybe my approval rating was higher?

[Creature 1]

thenyxie wrote...
Also, with regard to Morrigan, that's strange! The last two times I gave her the mirror she reacted with nothing but surprise and being touched. Maybe my approval rating was higher?

She doesn't ask something like "I suppose you want something in return?"  You can pick the option "Don't be stupid, it's a gift" or ask her to be nicer in future.  The first gets you the most approval points. 

[nyxocity]

Creature 1 wrote...

thenyxie wrote...
Also, with regard to Morrigan, that's strange! The last two times I gave her the mirror she reacted with nothing but surprise and being touched. Maybe my approval rating was higher?

She doesn't ask something like "I suppose you want something in return?"  You can pick the option "Don't be stupid, it's a gift" or ask her to be nicer in future.  The first gets you the most approval points. 

Ah, okay, yeah, she did. I didn't see that as suspicious so much as she just expects the world to be that way; ****** for tat. It seemed matter of fact to me. I always pick the "it's a gift" option.

[ejoslin]

thenyxie wrote...


Oh, that is excellent, thank you so much! As for conversation ending things, I've only ever gotten a -11 for ending it before--wow, -26?

You know, it's funny, but I always saw that in Zevran; the fact that he wanted to know he was wanted around, right from the very beginning. That he doesn't know why you've saved him and is hoping it's a 'home' of sorts, but isn't sure.

I am playing two games at once currently, switching back and forth. The older one wanting to be friends is with my female elf theif. In my most recent one I made a male elf mage who I'm intending will romance Zevran when he comes along, which should be right after the Brecilian Forest (where I went first to get the AM specialization). I'm really looking forward to it. Every time before I've played a female and I cannot stay away from Alistair because he's very there and very charming and I really do adore his character. I know you hate him, but, to each their own.

Also, with regard to Morrigan, that's strange! The last two times I gave her the mirror she reacted with nothing but surprise and being touched. Maybe my approval rating was higher?

I don't hate Alistair!  And i understand the Alistair charm.  I do like the contrast of the two romances, and how they seem, and how they play out, are pretty much reversed.  I also had a lot of fun with play throughs "getting even" with Ali, and I find a lot of the dialog choices given to enable the player to do that very funny.  I have found it's impossible to mock the Zevran romance the same way because the options are just not there. You can pick dialogs to meant to wound or to be righteous, but there's just no equivalent to the Alistair engagement heir response, "At least, not YOUR heir!"  Or the gift, "Feeling thorny?"  

The Alistair romance, at least between the PC and Ali, is definitely more playful, a younger love so to speak.  All about first-love feelings and the moment, and no thoughts about consequences or the future.  It reminds me of an infatuation, and there are some selfish moments that are unbearable for me to play through again.  So I don't!  The Zevran romance is much more serious, much more based in a cold, hard reality, and in many ways harsher and more intense. Alistair starts deep and grows more distant as things progress, and Zevran starts shallow and becomes far deeper than even the most intense moments of the Alistair romance.  The one you'd expect to be faithful usually finds himself in a situation where he will have to have a mistress if he wants to keep his love, and the one who you'd expect to never really care ends up so deeply in love that the only way he'll stay with the PC is if she loves him back just as fully.  

And no, Morrigan always asks, first, "What do you want in return?" You're right, though, she is touched, but she always struck me as very suspicious at first.

Edit: Party banter often tells a different story of the romances, however, and earlier.  You have an unsure Ali asking Leliana and Wynne how to woo the PC.  Then you have a very embarrassed Alistair not wanting to acknowledge the intimate relationship.  Or you have whenever someone tries to rib Zevran him just admitting his feelings happily, complementing the PC, and even acknowledging that he'd like to have children with the PC, as well as deflecting all suspicions about his motives with good humor and grace.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 janvier 2010 - 02:28 .

[Jayelet]

ATTENTION .... this is interesting ... Zevran to kiss ^ ^



http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=336



I still can not use, language problems, but of you it will come good.

[Rhinna]

How do you get Zev to offer you a kiss? I haven't been able to figure that out - he is stingy with those (unless you have the mod LOL)

[Jayelet]

You need to have the module installed, it is easy to do, so I encourage you.

[ejoslin]

Rhinna wrote...

How do you get Zev to offer you a kiss? I haven't been able to figure that out - he is stingy with those (unless you have the mod LOL)

There's only one time in the game where he asks for a kiss, and the most you can offer him back is a slap in the face (which he considers hot).  Otherwise, you need to mod your game to get a (kiss him) dialog.  The kiss is the same as the one he gives when you invite him to your tent after the first time in an unmodded game.

Edit: This is the best reason of all to play the game on a PC.  The mods.

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 janvier 2010 - 03:54 .

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...

Rhinna wrote...

How do you get Zev to offer you a kiss? I haven't been able to figure that out - he is stingy with those (unless you have the mod LOL)

There's only one time in the game where he asks for a kiss, and the most you can offer him back is a slap in the face (which he considers hot).  Otherwise, you need to mod your game to get a (kiss him) dialog.  The kiss is the same as the one he gives when you invite him to your tent after the first time in an unmodded game.

Edit: This is the best reason of all to play the game on a PC.  The mods.

*laughs* the male PC offers a punch in the mouth. ;D  I never tried that answer, though..

And re: mods, so very true!  Although I think the very best reason for me is, you're only limited to 30 save slots on PS3.

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Rhinna wrote...

How do you get Zev to offer you a kiss? I haven't been able to figure that out - he is stingy with those (unless you have the mod LOL)

There's only one time in the game where he asks for a kiss, and the most you can offer him back is a slap in the face (which he considers hot).  Otherwise, you need to mod your game to get a (kiss him) dialog.  The kiss is the same as the one he gives when you invite him to your tent after the first time in an unmodded game.

Edit: This is the best reason of all to play the game on a PC.  The mods.

*laughs* the male PC offers a punch in the mouth. ;D  I never tried that answer, though..

And re: mods, so very true!  Although I think the very best reason for me is, you're only limited to 30 save slots on PS3.

I have got to try to romance him on a male PC.  I'd love to see how that conversation goes. It's like this for the female:

PC: If you don't want to talk, that's fine
Zev: Old men love to talk. Do I get a kiss afterwards?
PC: How about a slap in the face instead
Zev: Oooh, hot! Do I still have to tell the story?
PC: You're a cad, do you know that?
Zev: Is that Ferelden for virile and sexy? If so, I like it!

I'm sure I got that a bit wrong, but it's funny nonetheless.