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[Creature 1]

Prolefeed wrote...
That part about his mother's gloves was so sad. Some games I don't put him in anything but Dalish armors head-to-toe the entire playthrough.

I swear every playthrough I'm lugging around a pair of Antivan boots and Dalish gloves for the entire game.  We hit the inventory cap and I destroy longswords and armor sooner than the boots and gloves. 

My mage had a kind of romance with Zevran and never bedded him.  It's not all about sex with him.  He asked to stick around while she rebuilt the Gray Wardens with Alistair because he was fond of her. 

[ejoslin]

One other contrast to the Zevran/Alistair romance that I really liked. With Alistair, they don't discuss the future and their relationship until AFTER they have sex. With Zevran, as soon as he moves out of neutral, he checks to make sure he and the PC have a future of some kind. It kind of makes it seem that he had more than an interest in casual sex to begin with, though he himself wasn't admitting it.



And yes, I agree with Sabrina. It was the storming the dark city comment that in all subsequent play throughs makes him not only the primary romantic partner, but a permanent member of my party.

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

Prolefeed wrote...
That part about his mother's gloves was so sad. Some games I don't put him in anything but Dalish armors head-to-toe the entire playthrough.

I swear every playthrough I'm lugging around a pair of Antivan boots and Dalish gloves for the entire game.  We hit the inventory cap and I destroy longswords and armor sooner than the boots and gloves. 

My mage had a kind of romance with Zevran and never bedded him.  It's not all about sex with him.  He asked to stick around while she rebuilt the Gray Wardens with Alistair because he was fond of her. 

I think it's really sweet how he actually equips them when you give them to him.  Not even Sten does that with his sword though Alistair does do that with his shield I suppose.

Modifié par ejoslin, 30 décembre 2009 - 01:55 .

[Aseya]

I was disapointd when Zevran apeared in DA. I was persistenly waiting for Bioware to release info on companions and all I could see was the outlay and I awlays imagined he would be darkhaired and dashing and then comes on that video with Loghian and I was like nooo noo no no no no he is BLOND with fake tan and OLD EWWWWW



still need ot get over it

[frostajulie]

I always RP my PC's and I thought my Dalish elf would be the best mate for Zev but I quickly discovered that my human mage was meant for him and he for her.



My human mage as we all know was discovered young and brought to the tower as a kid. We also learn that the templers won't open the doors to the tower for any old reason seeing as it takes 4 men to open this. Suddenly the life of a child mage becomes bitterly confined and lonely. Imagine stuck in study your entire childhood, no wonder mages are so pasty looking they rarely get to leave the tower, only on official business and upon completion must return to the tower. Templars watching their every move every hour of every day.



Well my mage vowed after being recruited new=ver to return to the circle tower now that she was finally free. For the first time she can feel the sun unobstructed by tower granite on her skin, she can feel the grass wet with morning dew beneath her feet. She will do anything to stay out of the tower. Is it any wonder that the very moment Zev tells her about being sold into slavery as a child that she sees in him a kindred spirit? Also being that my mage is a virgin she is somewhat intrigued and fascinated with all of Zev's talk of sex.



Then their is the "oh my past is pitiful" factor I mean Zev was first raised by prostitutes then trained as a crow to use his sexuality as a weapon, did anyone else get the idea that his training may have started when he was just a little boy, crows do have to have a certain open mindedness right?



And then there is of course the fact that when Zev propositions you with a massage promising you will enjoy all his skills, what virgin female wouldn't want to make use of those skills her first time, particularly when she was already in love with the guy.



Zev's take life as it comes and enjoy the moment mindset is a perfect match to my mage who does just that from the moment she leaves the tower and her frenetic catching up to life pace quickens even more after learning that being a Gray warden is a death sentence. My one regret in the whole Zev romance arc is the fact that there is not a scene with Zev and my character the night before the final battle. Goodbyes, I love yous and comforting arms and dialogue should have been had prior to what could be my PC's death.



From an RP perspective Zev is far more rewarding while Ali is just heartbreaking.

[ejoslin]

Aseya wrote...

I was disapointd when Zevran apeared in DA. I was persistenly waiting for Bioware to release info on companions and all I could see was the outlay and I awlays imagined he would be darkhaired and dashing and then comes on that video with Loghian and I was like nooo noo no no no no he is BLOND with fake tan and OLD EWWWWW

still need ot get over it

I have to admit I use a mod that makes Zevran dark haired and sexy and all wowza looking -- very nice.  I like his original look actually, but after a few play throughs, it's nice having the characters look different.  I have Alistair looking more . . . manly.  

 for the modding community.

[Namirsolo]

I don't usually like blonds, but for some reason I don't mind Zevran's hair color. HIs face/body are certainly attractive enough as far as the graphics in the game allow.

[Taritu]

Namirsolo nails it on the flirting with everyone. I never got the feeling he was actually serious most of the time. Sure if one of them took him up on it, he'd follow through, but it's mostly deflection and humor.



And besides, some of the comments you get make it clear he's far better in bed than Alistair. He's the only love interest where I get complaints about "all the noise." Experience isn't always a bad thing.



And when he falls, he falls hard.



He's also perhaps the bravest companion. Anyone who can joke the way he did when his target has him at her mercy is ok by me.

[Creature 1]

frostajulie wrote...
Then their is the "oh my past is pitiful" factor I mean Zev was first raised by prostitutes then trained as a crow to use his sexuality as a weapon, did anyone else get the idea that his training may have started when he was just a little boy, crows do have to have a certain open mindedness right?

Absolutely, he tells your character that he learned his massage techniques growing up in the ****house, and several people here have been surprised to find out what his definition of "massage" includes.  He was sold to the Crows when he was seven. 

It's really a miracle he's as well-adjusted as he is. 

[CBGB]

This is excellent reading: there are sides to Zevran I hadn't seen, and others I'd overlooked.

What I hear people saying about his appeal is:

• There's substance under all that bluster.

Tamyn wrote...
He is much deeper than he seems at first. He has layers like onions and ogres.

KariTR wrote...
Zevran is all bluff and swagger on the outside, but he is a total keeper underneath.

• He's playful.

There are several different ways of viewing this. Yes, he's sleazy, but he has a humorous self-awareness about his manner:

Seagloom wrote...
Zevran's commentary can be so crass it crosses the divide from shameless and sleazy to funny. Something only him and Oghren manage to accomplish with any frequency.

he's quick to find things worth appreciating:

Namirsolo wrote...espite all that he has been through he is not angry or bitter. He "rolls with the punches" and makes the best of what he is given.

and even if that wouldn't be enough in flesh-and-blood, this is perceptive:

Maria13 wrote...
Don't forget this is a game and it therefore allows people to take options they wouldn't touch with a barge pole (?!) in real life.

Does that add up to a complete character? Sure, far more complete than I had seen. I'll admit to liking Alistair as a (non-romantic) companion for my PC - he's both stronger and more vulnerable than suggested by the literal meaning of his words - and that's made it harder for me to understand the draw of Zevran. But I'm starting to get it, with this above all:

• Despite the ease with which he'll jump in bed, he keeps his heart close.

Tamyn wrote...
I really like that the PC can access his vulnerable side that probably no one else will get to see.

That's probably the most important thing I overlooked. In my original post, I wrote that I was baffled at how such a libidinous flirt could make anyone feel special, and above is the answer: he's been with many, but he's allowed only you to really know him.




Plus, of course, there's the accent.

[Celuwen]

It's funny that he does the very same thing that Alistair does when faced with something he doesn't want to talk about. Deflection with humour. The humour is obviously rather different due to their backgrounds, but they both do it.



I do think Zev is more loyal and more realistic. Plus, there would be very little fumbling

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...

One other contrast to the Zevran/Alistair romance that I really liked. With Alistair, they don't discuss the future and their relationship until AFTER they have sex. With Zevran, as soon as he moves out of neutral, he checks to make sure he and the PC have a future of some kind. It kind of makes it seem that he had more than an interest in casual sex to begin with, though he himself wasn't admitting it.

I'm on my first playthrough and metagaming a bit (I know, I know, bad me, but I'm one of those completionist sort of players, even if I do plan to play more than once .  I knew as soon as I found out a bit about Zevran that I wanted to try romancing him with my character, and (even after reading some of the comments here) I was expecting him to be more humorously sleazy...  (Which, on a personal level, I'm fairly comfortable with, my friends of both genders have filthy senses of humor XD)

But just in a few conversations, it becomes clear that he's definitely interested in more than sex.   I found some of the things he said surprisingly... I don't know if sweet is the right word, but they're surprisingly tentative for how brash he seems with others.  There's the "what about when this is over" conversation that ejoslin mentions above, and I also discovered this gem when asking him about being a Crow.  He talks about how  being a Crow can get you "whatever it is you might fancy", so my character says:

PC: So what is it you fancy, exactly?
Zevran: I fancy many things. I fancy things that are beautiful and things that are strong. I fancy things that are dangerous and exciting.  Would you be offended if I said I fancied you?

I saw where he was going with that as soon as he got to "strong", but I thought his tentativeness there was telling... He could have been more heavy-handed and cocky about that, but he is cautious, which I found very interesting indeed.

Definitely looking forward to seeing where this goes as the game goes on.

[AWizardsStaff]

B33ker wrote...

He also knows how awesome you all are.

rapidshare.com/files/323733004/We_are_ridiculously_awesome.mp3 

Thanks B33ker, new text tone!

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

One other contrast to the Zevran/Alistair romance that I really liked. With Alistair, they don't discuss the future and their relationship until AFTER they have sex. With Zevran, as soon as he moves out of neutral, he checks to make sure he and the PC have a future of some kind. It kind of makes it seem that he had more than an interest in casual sex to begin with, though he himself wasn't admitting it.

I'm on my first playthrough and metagaming a bit (I know, I know, bad me, but I'm one of those completionist sort of players, even if I do plan to play more than once .  I knew as soon as I found out a bit about Zevran that I wanted to try romancing him with my character, and (even after reading some of the comments here) I was expecting him to be more humorously sleazy...  (Which, on a personal level, I'm fairly comfortable with, my friends of both genders have filthy senses of humor XD)

But just in a few conversations, it becomes clear that he's definitely interested in more than sex.   I found some of the things he said surprisingly... I don't know if sweet is the right word, but they're surprisingly tentative for how brash he seems with others.  There's the "what about when this is over" conversation that ejoslin mentions above, and I also discovered this gem when asking him about being a Crow.  He talks about how  being a Crow can get you "whatever it is you might fancy", so my character says:

PC: So what is it you fancy, exactly?
Zevran: I fancy many things. I fancy things that are beautiful and things that are strong. I fancy things that are dangerous and exciting.  Would you be offended if I said I fancied you?

I saw where he was going with that as soon as he got to "strong", but I thought his tentativeness there was telling... He could have been more heavy-handed and cocky about that, but he is cautious, which I found very interesting indeed.

Definitely looking forward to seeing where this goes as the game goes on.

Zevran ends up with MUCH better dialog than that as well.  There's a reason why there are so many of us Zevran fangirls.  Only thing I've found that annoys me is the first time he asks for a kiss you don't have an option to give him one!  

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 janvier 2010 - 01:14 .

[Carliw]

ejoslin wrote...

Zevran ends up with MUCH better dialog than that as well.  There's a reason why there are so many of us Zevran fangirls.  Only thing I've found that annoys me is the first time he asks for a kiss you don't have an option to give him one!  

He asks you for a kiss? I can't believe I missed that. When does it happen? Which dialogue, which choices?

There's a mod that allows you to add the kiss scene.

As for why Zevran is attarctive as a romance option, I think ejoslin, Namirsolo, and others explained it well already.
It starts as a character that I wouldn't touch even with a long long pole, a stereotyped (and therefore negative) portrayal of a non-heterosexual man. Yuck.

At that point his virtues are his wit and the fact that he is capable of accepting a 'no' without drama.

But once you learn more about him, he reveals himself as a person capable of deep feelings.
While disillusioned, he's not without empathy and remorse, contrary to what he'd like you to believe.
Once you become close with him, he won't ever turn back on you (and for that you don't even have to romance him; it's enough if you offer him your friendship).
I didn't expect he'd be capable of such loyalty either. I dare say he's more loyal than Alistair.
Given his childhood, he's surprisinly sane and mature (I would sooner expect him to be a crossover between Morrrigan and Loghain, but luckily he's not).

If you compare him to Alistair, you can see that the develompent of the romance is practically inverted:
Alistair is a young and inexperienced man who unintentionally seeks support and a feeling of familiarity in the female PC (and as such he idolizes her). Trough the game he is slowly forced to grow, and in many cases he will go past that 'youthful romance' stage. Eventually he will leave the idealistic notions of romance (and more often than not, his romance interest) behind. In every case, his role in the world/society is more important to him than his romance interest.

In Zevran's case it's completely different. He has a good share of experience and disappointments, he knows the ugly side of people all too well, but the PC slowly creeps under his skin. In his eyes this is a weakness, a danger - it makes him vulnerable, too dependent on someone else. It confuses and frightens him, yet that fear is something he overcomes (contrary to Morrigan, for example).

And one more thing... You never have to harden him or soften him like you do with other characters. He is what he is already from the beggining, willing to try a different kind of life. The softer side is there already, but it's up to the PC to give him the chance. It's up to the player to see that there's a difference between his facade and his true feelings.

Modifié par Carliw, 01 janvier 2010 - 03:48 .

[ejoslin]

Carliw wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Zevran ends up with MUCH better dialog than that as well.  There's a reason why there are so many of us Zevran fangirls.  Only thing I've found that annoys me is the first time he asks for a kiss you don't have an option to give him one!  

He asks you for a kiss? I can't believe I missed that. When does it happen? Which dialogue, which choices?

There's a mod that allows you to add the kiss scene.

Oh, I have the mod where you can kiss him anywhere.

The dialog he asks for a kiss is the first time you ask him about his adventures and he asks if he's an old man just come from across the ocean.  If you choose, "You don't have to tell me if you don't want,": or whatever, he asks if he'll get a kiss afterwards.  You can offer to slap his face, or say maybe, but you can't actually kiss him!

I snipped the rest of your post for brevity, but you made excellent points.

Edit: Some of the best conversation with Zevran I think goes with harsher dialog choices.  One of my favorite exchanges is if you PC asks him immediately after they sleep together if the seduction was just part of his plan to kill her.  I won't write what he says because  it's much nicer to hear him say it than to read it here, but I will say it is very very moving.  Sure, with dialog choices like that you don't get nearly as high of approval ratings, but with Zevran, if you answer everything for highest approval, you'll be at 100 before you even give him his second gift.

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 janvier 2010 - 03:58 .

[Carliw]

ejoslin wrote...
The dialog he asks for a kiss is the first time you ask him about his adventures and he asks if he's an old man just come from across the ocean.  If you choose, "You don't have to tell me if you don't want,": or whatever, he asks if he'll get a kiss afterwards.  You can offer to slap his face, or say maybe, but you can't actually kiss him!

I'll have to replay that. And we're not given the option to give him that kiss? Now that's mean.

ejoslin wrote...
I snipped the rest of your post for brevity, but you made excellent points.

I'm glad you think so.

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: Some of the best conversation with Zevran I think goes with harsher dialog choices.  One of my favorite exchanges is if you PC asks him immediately after they sleep together if the seduction was just part of his plan to kill her.  I won't write what he says because  it's much nicer to hear him say it than to read it here, but I will say it is very very moving.  

I tried that route once, just to see how it plays out, but he seemed so disappointed
with my lack of trust that I reloaded already after his first line. Another
dialogue for me to replay, then.

(I always pester him about love in that specific dialogue, and that leaves me with a very small approval boost.)

ejoslin wrote...
Sure, with dialog choices like that you don't get nearly as high of approval ratings, but with Zevran, if you answer everything for highest approval, you'll be at 100 before you even give him his second gift.

I try to check every option out sooner or later, and I have to say that when my PC as the  'Goody Two-Shoes' disagrees with Zevran, often Zev comes up with better arguments than my PC.

Speaking of which, I love how he first says that one shouldn't feel a special attachment to strangers just because they are of the same race, but then when he faces a specific situation, that's exactly how he feels (Vaughan in the dungeons, the blood mage slaver).

Modifié par Carliw, 01 janvier 2010 - 04:32 .

[ejoslin]

Carliw wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
The dialog he asks for a kiss is the first time you ask him about his adventures and he asks if he's an old man just come from across the ocean.  If you choose, "You don't have to tell me if you don't want,": or whatever, he asks if he'll get a kiss afterwards.  You can offer to slap his face, or say maybe, but you can't actually kiss him!

I'll have to replay that. And we're not given the option to give him that kiss? Now that's mean.

ejoslin wrote...
I snipped the rest of your post for brevity, but you made excellent points.

I'm glad you think so.

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: Some of the best conversation with Zevran I think goes with harsher dialog choices.  One of my favorite exchanges is if you PC asks him immediately after they sleep together if the seduction was just part of his plan to kill her.  I won't write what he says because  it's much nicer to hear him say it than to read it here, but I will say it is very very moving.  

I tried that route once, just to see how it plays out, but he seemed so disappointed
with my lack of trust that I reloaded already after his first line. Another
dialogue for me to replay, then.

(I always pester him about love in that specific dialogue, and that leaves me with a very small approval boost.)

ejoslin wrote...
Sure, with dialog choices like that you don't get nearly as high of approval ratings, but with Zevran, if you answer everything for highest approval, you'll be at 100 before you even give him his second gift.

I try to check every option out sooner or later, and I have to say that when my PC as the  'Goody Two-Shoes' disagrees with Zevran, often Zev comes up with better arguments than my PC.

Speaking of which, I love how he first says that one shouldn't feel a special attachment to strangers just because they are of the same race, but then when he faces a specific situation, that's exactly how he feels (Vaughan in the dungeons, the blood mage slaver).

Interestingly, for the biggest approval boost if you ask him to your tent, you actually need to go down the "hmmm, maybe that's part of your plan" line.  You can get up to 22 points.  And he does seem hurt afterwards if you say that to him, but he also makes how he feels very clear.  I really like that -- it's where he obviously is putting the PC and how she feels above him.  

Zevran will never tell you he loves you.  Then again, he explains why not as well.  And he makes it completely clear that he loves you in every other way.  He values the PC's friendship, and another great dialog option is when you tell him that he's a good friend instead of telling him he's more than a friend.  My last play through I did a human noble who never romanced Alistair and who married him as an arrangemnt and kept Zevran as her lover.  It's actually the second time I did this (different options for the rest of the game though), and realized this time that while Zevran was ok with it, he did refer to it as a "problem," so I guess while he'll accept whatever the PC will give him, it still bothered him.  Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 janvier 2010 - 04:42 .

[EnchantedEyes1]

Aseya wrote...

I was disapointd when Zevran apeared in DA. I was persistenly waiting for Bioware to release info on companions and all I could see was the outlay and I awlays imagined he would be darkhaired and dashing and then comes on that video with Loghian and I was like nooo noo no no no no he is BLOND with fake tan and OLD EWWWWW

still need ot get over it

Interesting, for me, I only want him with blond hair and I love the tan. Reminds me of a long ago love

[Carliw]

ejoslin wrote...
Zevran will never tell you he loves you.

Hm, I don't know. He doesn't use literally that set of words, true, but he expresses his love with words too.

If you refuse the earring for the first time: 

"I... still have the earring. I would like to give it to you... as a token of affection. Will you take it?"

And at the gates of Denerim:
"In truth, for the chance to be by your side I would storm the Dark City itself. Never doubt it." or  "By your side I would willingly storm the gates of the Dark City itself. Do not doubt it."

I know you're familiar with those lines too, and I guess they are open to interpretation, but presonally I always took them as a confession.

ejoslin wrote...
He values the PC's friendship, and another great dialog option is when
you tell him that he's a good friend instead of telling him he's more
than a friend.

True, I didn't expect him to imply he'd be willing to die for my PC. Not to mention that if he likes you, he'll choose to come with you at at end of the game, as long as you agree with it.
Hm, I know there's a line (been rummaging trough va files) where he says he wishes to leave, since he can't bear to watch what can't be his, but I haven't found yet where in the game that dialogue is supposed to be. I'm guessing it might be after the encounter with Taliesen, but IDK under which circumstances.

ejoslin wrote...
It's actually the second time
I did this (different options for the rest of the game though), and
realized this time that while Zevran was ok with it, he did refer to it
as a "problem," so I guess while he'll accept whatever the PC will give
him, it still bothered him.  Or maybe I'm reading too much into
it.

Yeah, it might be because it's difficult to include an appropriate dialogue for a plot as branched out as this; to include all possible combinations.
IMO it happens either by bug (Alistair's conviction that he will have to be king, even if it's been decided otherwise at the Landsmeet,..) or in this case more likely by limitation of dialogue lines.
But it's interesting to interpret it as Zevran's trait. He does, after all say that he is fine with many things, and then you get a big disapproval hit. It's almost endearing the way he hides his feelings.

Modifié par Carliw, 01 janvier 2010 - 05:18 .

[ejoslin]

Carliw wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Zevran will never tell you he loves you.

Hm, I don't know. He doesn't use literally that set of words, true, but he expresses his love with words too.

If you refuse the earring for the first time: 

"I... still have the earring. I would like to give it to you... as a token of affection. Will you take it?"

And at the gates of Denerim:
"In truth, for the chance to be by your side I would storm the Dark City itself. Never doubt it." or  "By your side I would willingly storm the gates of the Dark City itself. Do not doubt it."

I know you're familiar with those lines too, and I guess they are open to interpretation, but presonally I always took them as a confession.

ejoslin wrote...
He values the PC's friendship, and another great dialog option is when
you tell him that he's a good friend instead of telling him he's more
than a friend.

True, I didn't expect him to imply he'd be willing to die for my PC. Not to mention that if he likes you, he'll choose to come with you at at end of the game, as long as you agree with it.
Hm, I know there's a line (been rummaging trough va files) where he says he wishes to leave, since he can't bear to watch what can't be his, but I haven't found yet where in the game that dialogue is supposed to be. I'm guessing it might be after the encounter with Taliesen, but IDK under which circumstances.

ejoslin wrote...
It's actually the second time
I did this (different options for the rest of the game though), and
realized this time that while Zevran was ok with it, he did refer to it
as a "problem," so I guess while he'll accept whatever the PC will give
him, it still bothered him.  Or maybe I'm reading too much into
it.

Yeah, it might be because it's difficult to include an appropriate dialogue for a plot as branched out as this; to include all possible combinations.
IMO it happens either by bug (Alistair's conviction that he will have to be king, even if it's been decided otherwise at the Landsmeet,..) or in this case more likely by limitation of dialogue lines.
But it's interesting to interpret it as Zevran's trait. He does, after all say that he is fine with many things, and then you get a big disapproval hit. It's almost endearing the way he hides his feelings.

Yep, neither of those say "I love you."  And if you tell him (if you leave him at the gates), no matter what happens, I love you, he says, Cruel to the end.  It's ok, I wasn't meaning to say he didn't love you because he never said, I love you, though he DOES call you Amora so if you want to get technical, maybe he does say it.  And yes, the proposal, if the PC wishes it, is amazing  I turned down the earring the first time I played because I was miffed at him, and I was so glad I did.  I didn't discover these forums until after my first play through, and that made the game such a joy.  Now I love discussing and dissecting it, but I'm glad I had all those surprises the first time.

Edit: The ONLY time you'll get the "royal scandal" talk is if you're marrying Alistair or Anora.  There are actually two talks I've seen but I don't think they have different triggers.  He offers to go away, and you can tell him you don't see why it has to end.  He tells you he loves a royal scandal, but chances are one of you will still die (he's already offered that if you followed some of the dialog trees) so problem solved.

Modifié par ejoslin, 01 janvier 2010 - 05:28 .

[jenovan]

I can see I'm going to be doing a lot of saving, checking dialogue options, then reloading...

Carliw wrote...

In Zevran's case it's completely different. He has a good share of experience and disappointments, he knows the ugly side of people all too well, but the PC slowly creeps under his skin. In his eyes this is a weakness, a danger - it makes him vulnerable, too dependent on someone else. It confuses and frightens him, yet that fear is something he overcomes (contrary to Morrigan, for example).

And one more thing... You never have to harden him or soften him like you do with other characters. He is what he is already from the beggining, willing to try a different kind of life. The softer side is there already, but it's up to the PC to give him the chance. It's up to the player to see that there's a difference between his facade and his true feelings.

I think this is part of what really draws me to the character.  I think watching someone trying to navigate through feelings this way is so captivating.  (It has an even stronger draw for me as a writer because I have an old D&D assassin character who was in a similar situation, so seeing it played out by a professional writing team is quite interesting.)

ejoslin wrote...
The dialog he asks for a kiss is the first time you ask him about his adventures and he asks if he's an old man
just come from across the ocean.  If you choose, "You don't have to tell me if you don't want,": or whatever, he asks if he'll get a kiss afterwards.  You can offer to slap his face, or say maybe, but you can't actually kiss him!

Huh... I'm pretty sure I selected "You don't have to tell me", since my PC is very polite and tends to give people space, and he didn't mention a kiss.  Perhaps because my PC is male?   

Speaking of which, I love how there seem to be different conversation options because of that.  Zevran seems  quite careful not to (seriously) push his affections where they are not wanted in this case (and as Carliw said, it's great that he takes a "no" with grace).  His little checks on the PC's preferences are charming -- it plays well into the fact that I'm trying to play the PC as, how shall I say it, bi-curious.

Modifié par jenovan, 01 janvier 2010 - 05:30 .

[BlastedLands]

Carliw wrote...



Hm, I know there's a line (been rummaging trough va files) where he says he wishes to leave, since he can't bear to watch what can't be his, but I haven't found yet where in the game that dialogue is supposed to be. I'm guessing it might be after the encounter with Taliesen, but IDK under which circumstances.

i think that happens when you tell him to go while he's in love and you already had that above mentioned conversation.
did that once out of curiousity, not cool. other choices there were great too.

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

I can see I'm going to be doing a lot of saving, checking dialogue options, then reloading...

Carliw wrote...

In Zevran's case it's completely different. He has a good share of experience and disappointments, he knows the ugly side of people all too well, but the PC slowly creeps under his skin. In his eyes this is a weakness, a danger - it makes him vulnerable, too dependent on someone else. It confuses and frightens him, yet that fear is something he overcomes (contrary to Morrigan, for example).

And one more thing... You never have to harden him or soften him like you do with other characters. He is what he is already from the beggining, willing to try a different kind of life. The softer side is there already, but it's up to the PC to give him the chance. It's up to the player to see that there's a difference between his facade and his true feelings.

I think this is part of what really draws me to the character.  I think watching someone trying to navigate through feelings this way is so captivating.  (It has an even stronger draw for me as a writer because I have an old D&D assassin character who was in a similar situation, so seeing it played out by a professional writing team is quite interesting.)

ejoslin wrote...
The dialog he asks for a kiss is the first
time you ask him about his adventures and he asks if he's an old man
just come from across the ocean.  If you choose, "You don't have to
tell me if you don't want,": or whatever, he asks if he'll get a kiss
afterwards.  You can offer to slap his face, or say maybe, but you
can't actually kiss him!

Huh... I'm pretty sure I selected "You don't have to tell me", since my PC is very polite and tends to give people space, and he didn't mention a kiss.  Perhaps because my PC is male?   

Speaking of which, I love how there seem to be different conversation options because of that.  Zevran seems  quite careful not to (seriously) push his affections where they are not wanted in this case (and as Carliw said, it's great that he takes a "no" with grace),.  His little checks on the PC's preferences are charming -- it plays well into the fact that I'm trying to play the PC as, how shall I say it, bi-curious.

Oh, if you have made it clear that there's NOTHING there and you don't want his attention, you probably won't get that.  I don't think it's a male/female thing, but it could be.  It is one of those dialog options that allows you to reject him for good.

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...
Oh, if you have made it clear that there's NOTHING there and you don't want his attention, you probably won't get that.  I don't think it's a male/female thing, but it could be.  It is one of those dialog options that allows you to reject him for good.

Hmm, I definitely wasn't trying to discourage him, although it's possible I selected some sort of neutral answer that prevented him from mentioning a kiss.   Might have to go back and check.