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[Maddyanne]

I got the impression that she disapproved more of Zevran than Alistair because she disapproves of Zevran so much, as if you're letting down the Gray Wardens by being involved with him. She never initiated a conversation about being wrong about it either. My PC had to ask her if she changed her mind.
My city elf was furious at her.

Modifié par Maddyanne, 18 janvier 2010 - 06:46 .

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

jenovan wrote...

Heh, I don't think this is in any way Zevran-specific, but I just got the stern talking-to from Wynne about love vs. responsibility.  I hate that talk!   Most of the PC's answer choices seem petulant and/or confrontational.  Sooo  not my PC :/

The conversation with Wynne always struck me more as Wynne resenting the PC as when faced with a similar choice when she was younger, she had to give up whomever it was (this is just hinted at if you ask her what she could possibly know of love).    

Yes and with her party conversation with Alistair, you can find out that she had a baby boy which was taken away at birth by the chantry.  So when romancing Alistair, there is the added element that she says you're going to hurt him, and it seems apparent to me she is looking at Alistair as a figure of her son and is trying to be (over)protective of him.

But with Zevran the whole Wynne dialogue is SO worth it for the bit about the tenderness in his gaze towards the PC.  *nice sigh*

[ejoslin]

Maddyanne wrote...

I got the impression that she disapproved more of Zevran than Alistair because she disapproves of Zevran so much, as if you're letting down the Gray Wardens by being involved with him. She never initiated a conversation about being wrong about it either. My PC had to ask her if she changed her mind.
My city elf was furious at her.

Same happens with Alistair, though.  She disapproves because he's a king's son and so inexperienced and then goes into her duty speech.  Then after Ali goes from Adore to Love you also have to initiate that conversation asking her if she changed her mind.  It really does seem that Wynne is resentful of the PC's relationship, not upset over whom she's in the relationship with.

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Addai67 wrote...

But with Zevran the whole Wynne dialogue is SO worth it for the bit about the tenderness in his gaze towards the PC.  *nice sigh*

Agreed!  Just . . . *sigh*

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 janvier 2010 - 06:51 .

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

Yes and with her party conversation with Alistair, you can find out that she had a baby boy which was taken away at birth by the chantry.  So when romancing Alistair, there is the added element that she says you're going to hurt him, and it seems apparent to me she is looking at Alistair as a figure of her son and is trying to be (over)protective of him.

But with Zevran the whole Wynne dialogue is SO worth it for the bit about the tenderness in his gaze towards the PC.  *nice sigh*

Good catch -- you're right, Wynne does seem to look on Alistair as a son.  Wynne got bitten hard by love I guess in her past.  It takes some time for her to start accepting the PC as a person as opposed to a gray warden -- it's nice that she does change, though.

[Jayelet]

I created this blog, I hope you are interested in some, the thought to post alternative stories about adventures with Zevran, possible post-game adventures.



The address is: http://zevran.crearblog.com/

[Sialater]

ejoslin wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Yes and with her party conversation with Alistair, you can find out that she had a baby boy which was taken away at birth by the chantry.  So when romancing Alistair, there is the added element that she says you're going to hurt him, and it seems apparent to me she is looking at Alistair as a figure of her son and is trying to be (over)protective of him.

But with Zevran the whole Wynne dialogue is SO worth it for the bit about the tenderness in his gaze towards the PC.  *nice sigh*

Good catch -- you're right, Wynne does seem to look on Alistair as a son.  Wynne got bitten hard by love I guess in her past.  It takes some time for her to start accepting the PC as a person as opposed to a gray warden -- it's nice that she does change, though.

I blame Greagoir. 

[Addai]

BTW I finished my Zevran-romance game this weekend and played a couple different scenarios at the gate. Leaving him there... aagh, no, will never do that. Especially if you tell him "I love you." Gah!



I was really happy that at the final battle bit where I was slaying the archdemon, that it was Zevran and Alistair they showed. In all my previous games it was Alistair + Wynne or Morrigan. I take it that the game picks Alistair (as warden watching his fellow warden do their duty) plus the party member with whom the PC has highest approval?



Are there any mods to add in more Italian words? Because that would be one I might try. I kept waiting for him to call my PC "cara." I also started visualizing with him dark hair thanks to you fine folks and your mods. It is sexier, I have to admit.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

BTW I finished my Zevran-romance game this weekend and played a couple different scenarios at the gate. Leaving him there... aagh, no, will never do that. Especially if you tell him "I love you." Gah!

I was really happy that at the final battle bit where I was slaying the archdemon, that it was Zevran and Alistair they showed. In all my previous games it was Alistair + Wynne or Morrigan. I take it that the game picks Alistair (as warden watching his fellow warden do their duty) plus the party member with whom the PC has highest approval?

Are there any mods to add in more Italian words? Because that would be one I might try. I kept waiting for him to call my PC "cara." I also started visualizing with him dark hair thanks to you fine folks and your mods. It is sexier, I have to admit.

I'd be afraid of voice mods -- they never sound right!  Zevran is always in the frame if you're romancing him; I'm not sure how the other person is chosen, but it's not always Alistair.  I actually like how they have the romance partner there -- just like I like it if you're romancing Zevran and a "still in love" Alistair sacrifices himself, Zevran's in the kiss scene.  I think they neglected the Zevran and Leliana romances in small details (needing a mod to be able to kiss them in Redcliff castle at the end, for instance, and not having them in the same room at Arl Eamon's estate).  But having them very visible at the arch demon slaying is a nice touch.

And yes, my first play through I tried to leave Zevran at the gates, and got that variant of the dark city speech, which caused me to do my only reload of that game.  But it's amazing that a game can evoke that much emotion.  The voice acting . . . the love and the pain in his voice at that moment . . . just wow.

[UnDutchable]

Addai67 wrote...

BTW I finished my Zevran-romance game this weekend and played a couple different scenarios at the gate. Leaving him there... aagh, no, will never do that. Especially if you tell him "I love you." Gah!

I just went back to one of my previous saves to try out all the different conversation options. I always leave Zevran at the gates, but I usually pick the  I'll be back, I promise" option. This time I let my PC tell him that she loved him... Oh my god, I am SO glad I never picked that option before! I didn't mean it like that, Zev! I'm so sorry! D:

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

I'd be afraid of voice mods -- they never sound right!  

Right, I could see that.  I'm just dreaming. 

[Addai]

Oh, I also played the bit where I went back to Ruck's cave with Zevran and Oghren, and between the two of them they force a mercy killing. I find Ruck to be possibly the saddest of the NPC stories you encounter, so it was wrenching. I imagine she and Zevran had a talk later on in camp about how the taint is in her, too, how she felt some kinship with Ruck.  And about the fact that, supposing the Crows don't get them first, he might have to help her end it someday, too.

Modifié par Addai67, 18 janvier 2010 - 08:57 .

[AnniLau]

I'm finding this incredibly entertaining:

www.fanfiction.net/s/5584522/1/A_Comedy_Of_Errors

[Sabriana]

Addai67 wrote...

Oh, I also played the bit where I went back to Ruck's cave with Zevran and Oghren, and between the two of them they force a mercy killing. I find Ruck to be possibly the saddest of the NPC stories you encounter, so it was wrenching. I imagine she and Zevran had a talk later on in camp about how the taint is in her, too, how she felt some kinship with Ruck.  And about the fact that, supposing the Crows don't get them first, he might have to help her end it someday, too.

Agreed. I felt so bad for Ruck and his mother. When Ruck tells my PC that he can see the darkness in her, I felt really weirded out and had her say that 'this is a scary thought.' Which is true, in her mind she was looking at her future, and if she didn't die fighting during the next 30 years, that's what she'll become unless she goes to the Deep Roads, heeding the Calling.

Zevran taking over and my PC having no choice but to let it happen was a great touch. He was right, she knows it in her heart, but it hurt, oh how it hurt to see Ruck die. Ruck's path lead nowhere but down into a horrible death, and she was staring in the face of her future. It would indeed have been a great touch to let her talk to Zevran about it later.

Ruck is one of the saddest NPC's in the game (I'm counting in the Dalish Origin, where another NPC makes me feel really sad). Speaking of that NPC, my dalish origin is still to be played, but I saw the scene with that NPC somewhere (YouTube, or somesuch), and it made me feel very, very sad.

I do wonder how Zevran would react when told that the same fate awaits the PC.

*BOOK SPOILERS FOLLOW******


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I know that there is a way to lose the taint to the point that there will be no Calling. Fiona did, iirc.

[Kilyra]

I got to the point last night where Zevran asked to come to my tent...his "Do you see me laughing" and "Then why are we still talking" make me so weak at the knees.

I also got to hear about his final mission, and at the start of it, when I say something about, "You were MORE cocky and arrogant?" he just has this weak/defeated laugh that I never noticed before. Like he knows he needs to crack a joke, but that you're past the wall now and things are much more tender/much less funny. I stayed away from any lighthearted comments after that. Just the complexity that is conveyed in the tone of voice is incredible. Kudos to the voice acting it kind of caught me off guard. Love this game!

[Addai]

Sabriana wrote...

Agreed. I felt so bad for Ruck and his mother. When Ruck tells my PC that he can see the darkness in her, I felt really weirded out and had her say that 'this is a scary thought.' Which is true, in her mind she was looking at her future, and if she didn't die fighting during the next 30 years, that's what she'll become unless she goes to the Deep Roads, heeding the Calling.

Zevran taking over and my PC having no choice but to let it happen was a great touch. He was right, she knows it in her heart, but it hurt, oh how it hurt to see Ruck die. Ruck's path lead nowhere but down into a horrible death, and she was staring in the face of her future. It would indeed have been a great touch to let her talk to Zevran about it later.

Ruck is one of the saddest NPC's in the game (I'm counting in the Dalish Origin, where another NPC makes me feel really sad). Speaking of that NPC, my dalish origin is still to be played, but I saw the scene with that NPC somewhere (YouTube, or somesuch), and it made me feel very, very sad.

About the Dalish:  Yes, I cried actual tears at that part!!  And with Ruck, the fact that he calls her "pretty lady" and "good friend" and then screams at her for being treacherous made it all the more terrible.

There are a few other times where you learn that others can sense the taint in your PC.  Early on, in Lothering, the Doomsayer says it, and Isabela tells you that she can tell you are a Grey Warden because she has seen them in her travels and there is always "something" about them.  I think it's thus possible that Zevran can sense the darkness in the PC, too, which may be one reason he trusts her- ironically so, but I mean because he has seen so much darkness himself and outsiders have a kinship with each other.

[Creature 1]

AnniLau wrote...

I'm finding this incredibly entertaining:

www.fanfiction.net/s/5584522/1/A_Comedy_Of_Errors

I thought Zevran seemed out of character, so I quit reading it. 

[AnniLau]

Creature 1 wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

I'm finding this incredibly entertaining:

www.fanfiction.net/s/5584522/1/A_Comedy_Of_Errors

I thought Zevran seemed out of character, so I quit reading it. 

The author took some liberties, I suppose, but I didn't find them all that farfetched...and the PC character is just funny.

[Creature 1]

AnniLau wrote...
The author took some liberties, I suppose, but I didn't find them all that farfetched...and the PC character is just funny.

I actually found myself wondering if she was capable of giving informed consent. 

I guess it's just not my cup of tea.  Some people love Earl Grey, I don't like it.  Orange pekoe FTW.  

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

AnniLau wrote...
The author took some liberties, I suppose, but I didn't find them all that farfetched...and the PC character is just funny.

I actually found myself wondering if she was capable of giving informed consent. 

I guess it's just not my cup of tea.  Some people love Earl Grey, I don't like it.  Orange pekoe FTW.  

This is a big part of the reason I don't like fan fiction -- I just see all the characters, especially the PC, so differently.  In this particular case, I think it's amusing and well written, but the characters are taken from 3 dimensional to 2 dimensional.  The hero and heroine are directly from a romance novel -- Zevran doing bodice ripping?  That's when it lost me (though I was already pretty lost at that point).  Though since I didn't finish it, maybe it gets better.

it's not like I could do better, though, so I'll keep my thoughts about Zevran to the boards!

[ejoslin]

Kilyra wrote...

I got to the point last night where Zevran asked to come to my tent...his "Do you see me laughing" and "Then why are we still talking" make me so weak at the knees.
I also got to hear about his final mission, and at the start of it, when I say something about, "You were MORE cocky and arrogant?" he just has this weak/defeated laugh that I never noticed before. Like he knows he needs to crack a joke, but that you're past the wall now and things are much more tender/much less funny. I stayed away from any lighthearted comments after that. Just the complexity that is conveyed in the tone of voice is incredible. Kudos to the voice acting it kind of caught me off guard. Love this game!

Jon Curry I happen to think does the best voice acting -- he really brings to life those moments that should be completely unbelievable.  There are times you can hear an undercurrent of pain to the most repugnant or humorous words.  And other times the raw emotion just comes through, good or bad.  If he breaks up with you after you fall in love, he sounds like his soul is being torn to shreds.

Steven Valentine as well, though, even in the greetings he does, wow.  From a smoky, infatuated, "Your desire is my command," to a cold and admiring, "Anything you need, my dear?"  And the genuine warmth if you two break up or never romance of, "Ask away!"  But since it's Zevran squee here, the guarded "What say you," as opposed to the amusement of, "You call," and the pure love in, "I am yours."

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 janvier 2010 - 06:03 .

[Creature 1]

ejoslin wrote...
Jon Curry I happen to think does the best voice acting

I went to his web page and I've probably heard him many times on TV in ads and not realized it.  He seems very flexible too, which I guess is required for a voice actor even more than for a TV actor.  He does both but seems to be primarily a voice actor. 

[Addai]

Creature 1 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Jon Curry I happen to think does the best voice acting

I went to his web page and I've probably heard him many times on TV in ads and not realized it.  He seems very flexible too, which I guess is required for a voice actor even more than for a TV actor.  He does both but seems to be primarily a voice actor. 

Ha, yes, realizing "Zevran" was doing all those Dodge truck ads is quite hilarious.  Doesn't seem like the same person, eh?  Which is credit to the voice actor.

[Rrend]

I'm playing a male, evil (okay, as evil as the game will let me be), ugly, dwarf commoner, berzerker/reaver and Zevran took it like the **** he is after I did nothing more than hand him a pair of boots.  I didn't even adventure with him until level 13-14 after I had to put Leliana out of her mystery in front of the Urn of Sacred Ashes (bagged her too which is probably a bit unrealistic).

Since there is no benefit to not romancing him, I had my character do it just to get the increased favor and associated dexterity benfits.  Were I really willing to sacrifice combat potential for RP, I would kick him out of the tent and camp right after finishing up with him, but the game doesn't give you that option.  Nor does it allow me to kill him while he sleeps.

While I love this game, I think Bioware could do some simple things to make the game feel a bit more free by leveraging some of the methods that Bethesda used in Fallout 3.  Basically, give the ability to a lot more things, but have consequences... in Fallout 3, only the main quest line was preserved so that noobs couldn't do something to prevent themselves from "completing" the game.  Everything else was wide open... finish a quest and then execute the quest-giver?  No problem...   Nuke an entire city and lose the ability to use the shops and finish the quests given there?  No problem...   Bed someone and then shoot them in the face?  Well, there was no sex in the game, but had there been, one certainly would have been able to end the relationship, the hardest way, immediately after.

Anyway, Zevran is a bisexual ****.  If you are into that, then I guess he is appealing.  My character bed him for a combat bonus and the only other rogue alternative was dead or Zevran would be sleeping with the fishes.

;-)

[ejoslin]

Rrend wrote...

I'm playing a male, evil (okay, as evil as the game will let me be), ugly, dwarf commoner, berzerker/reaver and Zevran took it like the **** he is after I did nothing more than hand him a pair of boots.  I didn't even adventure with him until level 13-14 after I had to put Leliana out of her mystery in front of the Urn of Sacred Ashes (bagged her too which is probably a bit unrealistic).

Since there is no benefit to not romancing him, I had my character do it just to get the increased favor and associated dexterity benfits.  Were I really willing to sacrifice combat potential for RP, I would kick him out of the tent and camp right after finishing up with him, but the game doesn't give you that option.  Nor does it allow me to kill him while he sleeps.

While I love this game, I think Bioware could do some simple things to make the game feel a bit more free by leveraging some of the methods that Bethesda used in Fallout 3.  Basically, give the ability to a lot more things, but have consequences... in Fallout 3, only the main quest line was preserved so that noobs couldn't do something to prevent themselves from "completing" the game.  Everything else was wide open... finish a quest and then execute the quest-giver?  No problem...   Nuke an entire city and lose the ability to use the shops and finish the quests given there?  No problem...   Bed someone and then shoot them in the face?  Well, there was no sex in the game, but had there been, one certainly would have been able to end the relationship, the hardest way, immediately after.

Anyway, Zevran is a bisexual ****.  If you are into that, then I guess he is appealing.  My character bed him for a combat bonus and the only other rogue alternative was dead or Zevran would be sleeping with the fishes.

;-)

You realize you don't have to romance him to get to max approval with him, right?  It's the easiest way, but not the only way.   I'm glad your dwarf had a meaningful experience though 

And while I enjoyed Fallout 3 and will play New Vegas, you really can't compare the two games.  Sandbox games are great, but DAO isn't one of them. 

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 janvier 2010 - 06:49 .

[Addai]

Yeah, it's a crying shame you couldn't sleep with Charon for a meaningless skill bonus and then either leave him at camp or kill him... that makes so much "sense"...