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[Mimsypeach]

SurrealSadi wrote...

@Mimsy:
I think when I get to a DN(prolly male, just so I can make a beardless male dwarf and have people WTF-ing at me), I'll likely make him really ****** off people.
*snicker* Oh, Titian wasted no time in it. A few conversations and she "threatened" him into her tent.
The humanxZev scenes are a little... peculiar, in my mind. But then, I'm something of a submissive sort so I like the elfxZev scenes, since he takes the lead. And with dwarves, it's more a sharing of roles.
Oh, that was something... Have you ever done the "threaten to wipe out the Dalish"? That's heart-wrenching. For some reason I decided to do it again today. No idea why... It tore at my heart the first time... the second time just made me feel even worse...
Yup, he's a staple in that party for me. I go to Redcliffe, kill Isolde/Connor, then pick my next paths to get Zev.

I am breaking the @SoandSo due to not wanting to scroll to read and reply. Yay sloth!

Is so fun. I shouldn't have laughed as much as I did when people got offended. I laugh everytime i say to Ser Jory, "...You're not all that smart, are you?".

Tyr was very mrow XDXD. Due to characterization reasons, Rayna's a bit more "Can we just leave it to the last possible moment?" about sex. It is very difficult to stay in character and still get approval when you're playing a woman who refuses tent time (I reloaded the massage save and instead picked the "We aren't exactly alone" option. It was OOC for her to accept, sadly.) and who's just overall rude...-sighs-

I get the same vibes from the tent times, as well. I honestly started a Zevran romancing dwarf because of the dwarf comments I saw on here. And I definitely noticed the sharing of roles when I saw the scene tonight :-) role sharing makes me happy. XD Though the elf/zev scenes make me grin, too

I can't bring myself to do it, personally...I see it and go "....No." I try to find the most peaceful solution...sooo...my personality overtakes my character in that quest XD Plus, this time around, I did the Dalish first because I hadn't seen Zev in Redcliffe yet.(-snort-...flaming undead...wow) I did, however, run a "kill the mages" playthrough and had to reload....

I did, however, kill Connor for the first time. Watching a pretty faced dwarven lady punch Isolde in the face was...Oh so satisfying...-smirk- But I felt bad killing Connor...

And this is random, but I remember you guys discussing the approval in Honnleath and how it was weird for Zev to approve of making a deal with the demon. Does he approve if you just in general make a deal? I know he approves if you betray her, and I'm still not sure if that's in character, but I've not done a playthrough where I let the demon take the girl. I always suffer the fire puzzle of doom...stupid puzzle.

[SurrealSadi]

ejoslin wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Yeah, it's gotta be some of the positions they end up in that scream "she's a domme" to me... but that's me. Yea, I kinda prefer the elf scenes, but yes, the dwarf scenes are nice.

Ugh, I'd love it if Zev had a "kiss anywhere" option like Morrigan and Al do... just not fair that he doesn't(of course, Leli fans are prolly b*tching over that too...)

Oh, Amalia started the romance with Zev early, never went to the tent with him till after killing Taliesen(she didn't choose the remark to make him stay for the fight), then talked a while, gave him the Gloves, then poof, massage offer. She was a little hesitant, but caved.  Gah, the way he says, "Then why are we still talking?" is...is... *squee!*

I really wonder why they DON'T have the "kiss anywhere" option for Zev and Lel in the vanilla game.  It makes the romances more intense.  It may be that the writers were hoping you'd grow more attached to Alistair/Morrigan since both of those have the potential for much more pain (Morrigan moreso I suppose, since that one can't end up well) whereas since neither Zev nor Lel have outside agendas, they can devote themselves fully, which doesn't lead to the heartache of the other two.

I absolutely love Zevran's voice.  I really like the accent, but I also love how dynamic it is.  When his voice is low and husky, he can sound either so seductive or so deadly; maybe a bit of both.  If you ever take him to Redcliff (I know, that's the fastest quest, but...), when he talks to Murdock, wowza.  I LOVE his voice there!

I wonder that too.. *sigh* Ah well...

Zev's voice is amazing... The accent combined with how he intones things...  I think the fact that his words can be so deadly and seductive is half the reason people love his voice. I mean, if I heard my significant other(if I had one) say some of Zev more...intimate.. lines in a similar tone, I think I'd just melt...

[SurrealSadi]

Mimsypeach wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

@Mimsy:
I think when I get to a DN(prolly male, just so I can make a beardless male dwarf and have people WTF-ing at me), I'll likely make him really ****** off people.
*snicker* Oh, Titian wasted no time in it. A few conversations and she "threatened" him into her tent.
The humanxZev scenes are a little... peculiar, in my mind. But then, I'm something of a submissive sort so I like the elfxZev scenes, since he takes the lead. And with dwarves, it's more a sharing of roles.
Oh, that was something... Have you ever done the "threaten to wipe out the Dalish"? That's heart-wrenching. For some reason I decided to do it again today. No idea why... It tore at my heart the first time... the second time just made me feel even worse...
Yup, he's a staple in that party for me. I go to Redcliffe, kill Isolde/Connor, then pick my next paths to get Zev.

I am breaking the @SoandSo due to not wanting to scroll to read and reply. Yay sloth!

Is so fun. I shouldn't have laughed as much as I did when people got offended. I laugh everytime i say to Ser Jory, "...You're not all that smart, are you?".

Tyr was very mrow XDXD. Due to characterization reasons, Rayna's a bit more "Can we just leave it to the last possible moment?" about sex. It is very difficult to stay in character and still get approval when you're playing a woman who refuses tent time (I reloaded the massage save and instead picked the "We aren't exactly alone" option. It was OOC for her to accept, sadly.) and who's just overall rude...-sighs-

I get the same vibes from the tent times, as well. I honestly started a Zevran romancing dwarf because of the dwarf comments I saw on here. And I definitely noticed the sharing of roles when I saw the scene tonight :-) role sharing makes me happy. XD Though the elf/zev scenes make me grin, too

I can't bring myself to do it, personally...I see it and go "....No." I try to find the most peaceful solution...sooo...my personality overtakes my character in that quest XD Plus, this time around, I did the Dalish first because I hadn't seen Zev in Redcliffe yet.(-snort-...flaming undead...wow) I did, however, run a "kill the mages" playthrough and had to reload....

I did, however, kill Connor for the first time. Watching a pretty faced dwarven lady punch Isolde in the face was...Oh so satisfying...-smirk- But I felt bad killing Connor...

And this is random, but I remember you guys discussing the approval in Honnleath and how it was weird for Zev to approve of making a deal with the demon. Does he approve if you just in general make a deal? I know he approves if you betray her, and I'm still not sure if that's in character, but I've not done a playthrough where I let the demon take the girl. I always suffer the fire puzzle of doom...stupid puzzle.

Quite alright

Oh, I LOVE saying that to Jory! It's just... It makes me fizzy-laugh.

Hehe. I am so tempted to save in the Alienage with Amalia, and go make a City Elf, just for shytes and giggles... That and DN are the only Origins I've yet to play. But it's almost 8 am, and I've been up since 3:45 yesterday afternoon... 

I suggest suggesting to kill the Dalish at least once. It's a dialogue from Zev you will WANT to hear.

I tried to do a "side with Cullen" run with Amalia, but somehow I could not bring myself to do it... I really should, but somehow, I can't. I dislike Wynne, a lot, but I cannot being myself to side with Cullen. Sucks to be me...

Oh, killing Isolde is all well and good, but forcing her to live with all the deaths her pious fear caused is a better punishment, in my eyes. Oh, and Amalia enjoyed decking her.

The fire-puzzle is a pain in the arse, but the Wiki solution works well enough. You get approval there and in the Keep for dealing with demons. If you make the deal with Sophia-demon, you get some there. Sophia-demon's response to Zev's comments is wonderful. "Your Crow is wise."

[Mimsypeach]

On Zev's voice, I have to make sure there aren't people looking over my shoulder or directly at my face when he's speaking. I have friends who would tease me mercilessly if they could see how red and smiley my face gets whenever he's saying something awesome (soo..most of the time? Haha)



@Surreal, since I can't figure out how to make multiquotes go away o_o blah



Ohhh! City Elf is fun. Very entertaining for both genders, but I find it makes more of an impact if you're a female I didn't get very far with my male City Elf before...well...ignoring him and deleting his saves >_>;



Mrrrr. Fine! I'll do so with Tyr, just to be OOC. And because she's already in the forest anyway. I see the screens of his pleading and whine. I know I'll have to keep myself from going incoherent, but I will...



Oh, I might do it once to get the achievement, but then I'll reload. I'll just kill off Wynne or make her go away when I get Reaver :3



I just wanted to do something different. I usually avoided the ritual and killing Connor, but I was adventurous. I agree completely though. She caused a ton of destruction and should live with it. I'm still irritated that there wasn't a repercussion of, y'know...leaving for like...a week to get the mages then coming back and no massacre or anything...just..."Oh, we're just standing here, waiting for you " Blah.



Meh, I've done it so many times over that I just know which piece goes where XD I just hate having to do it over and over again. With the girl talking about kitty in the background. Aughhhgh...



So he just approves in general? Hrm...



I don't have Warden's Keep...or RTO......sadness.....But I heard of that quote and want to actually HEAR and SEE it desperately -pouts-

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, you actually can side with Cullen and not kill Wynne. You can just swap her out when you leave the fade.



And yes, it's making a deal with the demon in Honnleath that causes the approval, not which particular deal you make. I really find it out of character in the DLCs, though. I make deals with demons in the main game as well. I let the desire demon keep the templar in the mage circle (first bit of happiness he's ever known). I let the demon in the deeproads live (25 gold). Zevran doesn't approve or disapprove either time.



I think the difference is different writing teams. Zevran just seems different, his approval is different, in the main game than in the DLCs.

[SurrealSadi]

Oh, I caved and made one. Katsin is gonna be.. fun.



It's worth it. Trust us who've done it.



Ah. Yeah, Isolde totally deserves to live with that pain.



S'why I don't always get Shale.. Damned talking brat...



Ahh. The keep is useful. Easy tier-upping on gear.

[Mimsypeach]

Hrmm....I'll just ignore the demon approval then and keep betraying the demon cat. XD Angry demon cat with bright pink eyes makes me giggle.



@Surreal:



I hope you enjoy Katsin and...get sleep at some point? hehe



I'll see what I can do before spring break ends...in...three days...-sighs-



I would get the Keep, but alas it is not in my budget at the moment. Maybe I can beg for it for my birthday...or just get the PC version of DA and go from there...



Anyway, it's 5 AM where I am and I've a bit to do today, so I think I might head to sleep for a few hours XD



G'night/morning

[SurrealSadi]

Sleep well!

Edit: *snicker*

Katsin(CEF): I killed an arl's son for raping my cousin.
Cailan: You...what?

Awesome. Awesome.

Modifié par SurrealSadi, 19 mars 2010 - 12:43 .

[TheComfyCat]

And LOL at talking to Cailan as a CEF, too.

[SurrealSadi]

I saw that line in the options and I just HAD to pick it!

[Sabriana]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, you actually can side with Cullen and not kill Wynne. You can just swap her out when you leave the fade.

And yes, it's making a deal with the demon in Honnleath that causes the approval, not which particular deal you make. I really find it out of character in the DLCs, though. I make deals with demons in the main game as well. I let the desire demon keep the templar in the mage circle (first bit of happiness he's ever known). I let the demon in the deeproads live (25 gold). Zevran doesn't approve or disapprove either time.

I think the difference is different writing teams. Zevran just seems different, his approval is different, in the main game than in the DLCs.

Well, at least I can pretend he approves of my PC lying to demon-Sophia. Because that's what she does, actually. I'm not  having her kill Avernus, my PCs reason that he might be able to come up with something for the GWs. Through humane research, of course.

[Creature 1]

ejoslin wrote...
And yes, it's making a deal with the demon in Honnleath that causes the approval, not which particular deal you make. I really find it out of character in the DLCs, though. I make deals with demons in the main game as well. I let the desire demon keep the templar in the mage circle (first bit of happiness he's ever known). I let the demon in the deeproads live (25 gold). Zevran doesn't approve or disapprove either time.

I think the difference is different writing teams. Zevran just seems different, his approval is different, in the main game than in the DLCs.

I thought you got more approval for backstabbing Kitty? 

I can't figure why you might get approval for making nice with demons.  Generally it's a bad idea.  Maybe in some cases you get a big enough reward that someone might approve, but there's not much reward in letting Kitty go. 

[MorGothic]

My copy of Awakening's has just arrived, going to leave it installing while I go to the shop down the road, then it's Orlision Warden time.



I was hoping to do the final battle with my Dwarf Noble, but oh well...



On a side note I heard Oghren's gate speech for the first time last night (fist playthrough I got him last so he was only at warm) and by the Stone it was awesome...

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
And yes, it's making a deal with the demon in Honnleath that causes the approval, not which particular deal you make. I really find it out of character in the DLCs, though. I make deals with demons in the main game as well. I let the desire demon keep the templar in the mage circle (first bit of happiness he's ever known). I let the demon in the deeproads live (25 gold). Zevran doesn't approve or disapprove either time.

I think the difference is different writing teams. Zevran just seems different, his approval is different, in the main game than in the DLCs.

I thought you got more approval for backstabbing Kitty? 

I can't figure why you might get approval for making nice with demons.  Generally it's a bad idea.  Maybe in some cases you get a big enough reward that someone might approve, but there's not much reward in letting Kitty go. 

It's the same approval for either, +4.  And I'm with you.  It doesn't make sense.  But some writer has it in his head that Zevran likes making deals with demons, so he makes deals with demons.  Nothing supports it in the main game, but what does that matter?  Most people I get the feeling don't spend much time with Zevran so no one notices.  Or maybe what I perceive in the main game is wrong and him not approving of the deals there is what's inconsistent.

You don't get him approving in the main game of making deals with demons, nor disapproving.  Whoever writes the DLC makes me *sigh*.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 mars 2010 - 02:37 .

[Sabriana]

Yeah, I agree about the "Zevran" thing and the DLC writer. It's as if he/she just glanced at the character, got it in her/his head that he is teh evulz, and simply tacked on approval/disapproval at what she/he thought were the "evil assassin" choices. The writer fell for a stereotype, and no one can tell me that these writers bothered to go in-depth into the many layers of Zevran and the Warden/Zevran relationship.

[Creature 1]

ejoslin wrote...
It's the same approval for either, +4.  And I'm with you.  It doesn't make sense.  But some writer has it in his head that Zevran likes making deals with demons, so he makes deals with demons.  Nothing supports it in the main game, but what does that matter?  Most people I get the feeling don't spend much time with Zevran so no one notices.  Or maybe what I perceive in the main game is wrong and him not approving of the deals there is what's inconsistent.

You don't get him approving in the main game of making deals with demons, nor disapproving.  Whoever writes the DLC makes me *sigh*.

Zevran is teh ebul, so he must like dealing with demons!  <_<

[Creature 1]

It's stupid because I don't care how evil you are, you don't go around doing things just because they're evil. Unless you're evil stupid, but that tends to be more of a problem for lawful stupid people. Dealing with demons is dangerous and unpopular, so I can definitely see an evil person objecting to it.

[Addai]

Wow, we actually ticked over to 400 pages and I didn't know it!  That's what I get for doing mundane things like sleeping!

ejoslin wrote...

Charsen wrote...

That's.. an odd epilogue card..

I don't like it. At all.  I had seen it before, in text format (the text table gilded age posted), but I didn't get the full meaning of it until I saw it in game.  And I was . . . ugh.  

I have more to say, but I won't!

Can we all just pretend that everything stopped as it was with Origins?  That's my plan.

[Creature 1]

Addai67 wrote...

Wow, we actually ticked over to 400 pages and I didn't know it!  That's what I get for doing mundane things like sleeping!

ejoslin wrote...

Charsen wrote...

That's.. an odd epilogue card..

I don't like it. At all.  I had seen it before, in text format (the text table gilded age posted), but I didn't get the full meaning of it until I saw it in game.  And I was . . . ugh.  

I have more to say, but I won't!

Can we all just pretend that everything stopped as it was with Origins?  That's my plan.

Yes we can! 

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
It's the same approval for either, +4.  And I'm with you.  It doesn't make sense.  But some writer has it in his head that Zevran likes making deals with demons, so he makes deals with demons.  Nothing supports it in the main game, but what does that matter?  Most people I get the feeling don't spend much time with Zevran so no one notices.  Or maybe what I perceive in the main game is wrong and him not approving of the deals there is what's inconsistent.

You don't get him approving in the main game of making deals with demons, nor disapproving.  Whoever writes the DLC makes me *sigh*.

Zevran is teh ebul, so he must like dealing with demons!  <_<

/nod /nod.  Because, well, you know, it's the practical thing to do.  Any pragmatist would do it!

Oh wait.

[soulsweeper87]

Creature 1 wrote...
I can't figure why you might get approval for making nice with demons.  Generally it's a bad idea.  Maybe in some cases you get a big enough reward that someone might approve, but there's not much reward in letting Kitty go. 

It is very OOC, but I think I could understand approving of making deal with Sophia. One could argue that some intelligent demons just want to experience the "real" world, which isn't an evil thing by itself . They wouldn't necessary wreck havoc, at least no more than humans or elfs/dwarfs, whose flaws they represent. Sophia could potentially be such a demon, after all she only posessed a dead body. Kitty, however, would have to possess the girl first, and I just can't see Zevran being happy about it to the point of giving you approval.

[ejoslin]

I actually think the number, +4, comes from his approval of keeping the Anvil which is also +4 (quite high). But his reasons for keeping the anvil are quite solid -- he makes a case for the good it can do. But someone who approves that much of course would approve of making deals with demons. In DLCs, that is. Not that demons are out there saving the world, like the Anvil has the potential to do.



I think I'm one of the few people who complains about getting an approval bump from their favorite character! NONO! Don't give me that approval! Ignore it like you do my other demon deals!

[Sabriana]

Sabriana wrote...

Yeah, I agree about the "Zevran" thing and the DLC writer. It's as if he/she just glanced at the character, got it in her/his head that he is teh evulz, and simply tacked on approval/disapproval at what she/he thought were the "evil assassin" choices.
The writer fell for a stereotype, and no one can tell me that these writers bothered to go in-depth into the many layers of Zevran and the Warden/Zevran relationship.

Yeah, I know I'm quoting myself, but I have something to add. I will, from now on, see DA:O as the one and only. I've been watching the Awakening chapter, and I'm sorely disappointed, it's as shallow as the DLC so far.

At least in Honnleth and in WK I can role-play that Zevran agrees because my PC is pulling the wool over the demon's head. In the SP DLC, he actually also approves when my PC uses the "[lie] sure you can keep the girl" line. So she obviously lies. I also just imagine that he either knows her well enough by then, or she gives him a small sign that she is lying. However, such a thing is impossible to imagine in RtO. Good thing I don't have it.

[Addai]

I will keep- and squee over- the DLC approvals if they seem to fit the situation. For instance, if my PC has played it cunningly with a demon and won in the end, then Zevran approves of how she handled it. If it doesn't seem appropriate, it gets tossed in my mind.  He's either approving of her because he saw his first desire demon and realized the PC is so damn beautiful that even a desire demon can't compare... or if he disapproves inappropriately, he's having a bad day and just needs a massage later that night in camp. DLC problems solved!

Modifié par Addai67, 19 mars 2010 - 03:35 .

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

I will keep- and squee over- the DLC approvals if they seem to fit the situation. For instance, if my PC has played it cunningly with a demon and won in the end, then Zevran approves of how she handled it. If it doesn't seem appropriate, it gets tossed in my mind, and he's either approving of her because he just looked at a desire demon and realized she's so damn beautiful the demon can't compare... or if he disapproves inappropriately, he's having a bad day and just needs a massage later that night in camp. DLC problems solved!

Perfect!  You're a very smart woman!