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[Sannox]

I was so delighted to see a familiar face (not Oghren) in Awakening recently, that I could have hugged them. Or more, because I'm convinced they were flirting with me. I just wish we could have had even a tiny bit of Zevran. I don't see why not.

[Jayelet]

jenovan wrote...


Aww.. yes, I've seen several folks say the expansion is "lonely", and several hours in, I have to agree... I feel like my companions are afraid to talk to me or something, and it's just every so often they work up the nerve to say something. :/

I like the new characters so far, but yeah... ^^; I feel a bit distant from them.  Maybe that's what being the Commander is like.

I feel like the fool who has to fix all the dirty laundry ...
but no one asks if my character needs to talk.
Oghren of the expansion, not the Oghren of origins.
I have a character who had no affair with Zevran, but looking into every corner of the expansion.

And I do not agree, a commander always has his right hand, without that partner can not function well. In the expansion there is no such partner.

Change all the companions of the expansion by Zevran.

Modifié par Jayelet, 22 mars 2010 - 02:25 .

[soulsweeper87]

I finished Awakenings yesterday, took me about 17 hours without completing all the side quests. Despite having some 'WTF??" moments, I actually enjoyed it. I managed to succesfully avoid spoilers and I cared about the story and choices. Are you (people from this thread) discussing Awakenings somewhere? I'd like to exchange opinions.



I wish I got the letter from Zevran, though... I pretended I had.

[Unseen_Reaper]

Eh awakening is a great i was sad to see my lovely leliana wasnt in there i was kinda bummed to see she wasnt in the expanson pack since it said most likely what it says to zevran we venture off to amaranthine to discover new darkspawn secrets then im alone but i guess its ok at the end of awakening SPOILER ALTER it says that i leave the wardens and get back together with lelianna and travel around with her so that made me feel better! almost garantees shes in the next game! so awakening was worth it if your missing your DAO love partner just pretend there on king's business in denerim awaiting your return.

[Jayelet]

It is not lack of romance, but the lack of a companion who support you.

the companions of the expansion does not inspire me nothing, leave me cold.

[ejoslin]

Unseen_Reaper, no, the Zevran and Leliana epilogues were a bit different in that if you choose to rebuild the grey wardens with Leliana you do so for a time then go off to the deeproads with her to do whatever. Zevran just sticks around and helps recruit and train. And the epilogues for Awakenings with Leliana and Zevran are very different.

We're actually not discussing Awakenings here much because, well, Zevran is not in awakenings and not everyone who posts here regularly has played it yet. We have linked to things and posts and stuff outside the thread.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 mars 2010 - 02:53 .

[ejoslin]

Jayelet, that is my main problem with Awakenings -- I didn't feel any attachment to the new companions at all. I hated the new dialog system, hated having to click on things to talk to them, hated the way the banter repeated itself. The story itself was fine, though it needed some Zevran for sure (*grin*).

[Addai]

**Awakening spoilers**

jenovan wrote...

*possible spoilers, tried to keep it vague*

Hmm, didn't want to stir up the other thread ejoslin linked -- it's been quiet for 3 days -- but maybe I should. I'll stick this here for now, though. XD Perhaps the reason for the letter and the Awakenings epilogue are directly related to that "inconsistency"? Maybe Zevran got word of what was going down in the arling and went to investigate/bash some skulls/whatnot, since it was 1) the breaking of a promise, and 2) really stupid? XD I don't know... my brain tries to force it to make sense. T_T

This is the only way I can force some sense out of it, either, though it only works in certain RP situations.  Maybe the Crows get wind that you are protecting Zevran and that pisses off some of the masters, who agree to take a totally lame-brained contract.  Zevran would go back if he got wind that the Crows were not only coming after him, but coming after the PC because of him.  Personally it is all so hamfisted and logic-breaking that I prefer to think that these are not actually the Antivan Crows, but the Crimson Crows.  The Crimson Oars who get wind of this band of assassins in Antiva who get wenches falling all over them because of their fearsome reputation.  So they don Antivan leather boots and pretend.  I like that scenario much better. 

I didn't care much for Jowan at first, either -- I was like, why should my mage risk everything to help you? I had to think more about my PC's past (read: make one up) to find a good relationship for him and Jowan. That made meeting Jowan later quite a bit more poignant (thank goodness). *lonely Jowan fan* XD

Jowan did nothing for me, either, but I try to put this in perspective with those who say the same about Tamlen or Nelaros.  In brief on-screen time, it's hard to convey a long relationship without forcing a player into an RP bind they may not want to be in.

[soulsweeper87]

ejoslin wrote...

Jayelet, that is my main problem with Awakenings -- I didn't feel any attachment to the new companions at all. I hated the new dialog system, hated having to click on things to talk to them, hated the way the banter repeated itself. The story itself was fine, though it needed some Zevran for sure (*grin*).

I didn't mind the system, but the characters were repeating themselves, going on and on about the same subject almost all the time. By the end of the game I knew what they thought about their family, tower of Magi etc, but little more. I didn't even know them well enough to anticipate their reactions to my choices, which I was usually able to do by the end of Origins. I think the amount of dialog was fine and the system worked for non-romancable characters, but the quality od writing diminished, sadly.

[Sannox]

Yes, I'm starting to notice that now - whenever they start talking, I'm thinking 'Not that again!'.   So far, they are a bit ;'one note' - they each seem to have one thing that defines them, and that's it.  The Origins characters could talk about all sorts of things, and sometimes surprise you.

I don't know if it's just me - I've been playing without looking for spoilers, but some of my quests seem to be impossible to complete. I'm going to wait till the end and then look up answers in case I play again, but at the moment I don't know if the game is buggy or if I'm just doing it wrong.

Modifié par Sannox, 22 mars 2010 - 03:16 .

[Charsen]

aww. I liked jowan. i wish he could have been a companion, really. he's a troubled guy, and made some stupid choices, but who doesn't? my (chantry-loving, loyalist) mage would have loved to help him seek redemption



i must be weird, but i like the whole clicking on objects to activate conversation stuff. maybe a hybrid of the two systems would be good. i think it allows for some interesting additions in the toolset dept, because dialogue trees can become very cluttered, and it's nicer to have smaller dialogues attached to objects instead of one huge dialogue... but that has its problems too.



so far i like the new characters in awakening except for velanna, who seems too similar to morrigan... but i see them as just colleagues and not "good friends", and that's ok too



@ejoslin - i don't think i could do the US personally...

also, yes, the lighting in the room for CZ's awesome screenshots is really bad. in fact, lighting in this game is quite odd. the skin tone of my avatar here is darker than my character in-game, and often he looks very pale... it's uncool but i'm used to it. i guess they just never noticed since there are no dark skinned characters in the games at all

[MorGothic]

I think part of the reason poeple are feeling lonely or distant from the new charcter it's not the characters themselves but due to the way conversations are done in Awakening.The object dialogue is a good Idea but part from a few that are character activated thats all there is. When you are in the Throne Room you should have been able to have actual conversations with your companions (rather then one dialogue line...), and I hope that in the future they will strike a balance between the two methods

A few gripes I have with Awakenings are:

- The inability to make runes, potions etc in the Throne Room (it makes no sense you cant).

- Some of the item's are stupidily over the top in reguards to power: TheVelvet Blade (+100% crit damage) and Staff of the Lost+Soulbound (I was speechless...+150% Spirit damage and a load of other bonuses) come to mind...although it won't stop me using them lol.

BTW: The achivements you get with Awakening does anyone elses have no description on them? Also my Most Powerful Creature Slain is blank? Anyone?

*Edit because making sense is a good thing*

Another gripe I just though of , it doesn't seem you learn Specilizations from companions any more rather you just buy the Tomes. Is this actually the case or has the wiki just not been updated fully?

Modifié par MorGothic, 22 mars 2010 - 03:26 .

[Jaulen]

Still haven't purchased DA:A yet. And I was so excitedly awaiting it!

My hubby bought it for the PS3, I've watched him play, and the interesting thing is, when playing DA:O he'd pick it up nightly....he played a coupld of hours of DA:A on Friday, and hasn't picked it back up. I asked if he was going to tonight, and he said no, that he was more interested in another playthrough of DA:O than completing a first run through DA:A.



My HMF went and did RTO last night with Alistair, Wynne and Leliana. Icky Wynne and Alistair convos!



She's romancing Alistair this game, Zevran just flirting with/keeping firendly. But I decided to save and go through the tent scene....just to see it as a HNF. Gotta say. I really don't like the HNF Zevran tent scene (vanilla, no tent better-sex mods). It starts off with him kind of looking....well, unsure and businesslike.....*blech*

[highcastle]

I liked Awakenings and only had a few complaints with it. Yes, the dialogue structure was one of them. I actually think the idea of triggering dialogue at specific places could work, I just think it needs to be combined with the Origins method, which also makes me feel like I'm getting to know the people at my back much quicker.

And I definitely missed Zev. I knew he wouldn't be in it, but I was hoping for someone like Al or Oghren to at least walk up to me and say, "So, where's the elf?" But no one did. It made me feel like no one noticed or cared, particularly after Zevran pledged to remain by my side. The epilogue card definitely improved my mood a bit, and on my second playthrough I'll have my own ideas about why Zev left and what he's up to.

[AndreaDraco]

One thing I really liked in Awakening was how the game let me interpret my character and his relationship with Zevran, even if Zevran was absent from the expansion.

For example, when dealing with the brewing conspiracy, Alqua, my Elf Mage, felt acutely the separation from Zevran, because Zevran would have known precisely what to do in such a situation, being an Antivan Crow and, as such, skilled to deal with the nobility and its meddling. Without the wise counsel of his lover, Alqua decided to wait for the conspirators' first move - he couldn't trust a generic Dark Wolf to help him, and my mental story, he instead wrote a letter to Zevran and  then let the conspirators set a trap for him.

It's just a little role-playing touch, but it helps soothing the absence of our favorite painted elf :happy:

Modifié par AndreaDraco, 22 mars 2010 - 03:33 .

[Nonvita]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

currently stuck in the realm of artist block im afraid sorry I will get them done I promice (and if you want something to cheer you up check the batch of NSFW screenies I posted earlier)

Awww no problem. I just really really don't want to go back to school today. I'll take a look at your screenies when I get home tonight. At 10pm. =(



And are there any spoilers in Zevran's letter besides him going back to Antiva/the Crows? I really want to read it, but only if it doesn't talk about anything else with the game. Thankfully Zevran spoilers don't matter since, well, he's not actually in Awakening, and, well, there just aren't that many...

[ejoslin]

The HNF tent scene... I'm not sure what it is about it. She's smiling all the way through it, he's looking like he's servicing her maybe. He definitely looks submissive to her, and I'm NOT sure why. I like the femdwarf one best, with a very close second the elf one.

I may have liked awakenings more had there been a few mentions of Zevran. I'm not sure though. It felt weird clicking on objects. I just didn't bond with anyone. I actually finished the game with the felon's coat and rose thorn.

@Charsen, the US really is a horrible ending for your romance partner. As CZ probably told you, I didn't even recognize your character at first because he was SO pale in that!

Edit: And Nonvita, no, no spoilers at all.  The letter itself is wonderful.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 mars 2010 - 03:46 .

[jenovan]

Spoiler-markers, guys! 


Huh... I guess I haven't played enough Awakenings to get repeat banter yet, but that would get old, fast!  Why would they abandon whatever system they used in Origins to keep that from happening?!     I don't mind the click-on-objects-to-talk mechanism, except for having to find the right spot on the objects... BUT I do miss just being able to talk to folks when I want to, yes.    It seems that there's certainly a lot of interesting dialogue... it just always comes by surprise. XD

Charsen wrote...

aww. I liked jowan. i wish he could have been a companion, really. he's a troubled guy, and made some stupid choices, but who doesn't? my (chantry-loving, loyalist) mage would have loved to help him seek redemption

Yeah, even Morrigan points out that he shouldn't be punished for his choices (not that she isn't biased or anything XD).  He would have been a fun companion, I think (heh heh, and seeing how he'd interact with Alistair or Wynne would be interesting.. XD).  I actually wonder if he was cut because he'd be a party member with close ties to one of the origins...

also, yes, the lighting in the room for CZ's awesome screenshots is really bad. in fact, lighting in this game is quite odd. the skin tone of my avatar here is darker than my character in-game, and often he looks very pale... it's uncool but i'm used to it. i guess they just never noticed since there are no dark skinned characters in the games at all

SERIOUSLY.  When I first loaded up Mara (current avatar) in a game, she barely looked any darker than Tamlen.  I went back to the character creator wondering what I'd done wrong!   It's not as bad in some locations, but it's weird... 

[Nonvita]

Well, I have to admit that the letter doesn't bother me at all. My CE at least had decided to go traveling with Zevran, so I imagine that the Crows must have caught up to them at some point. Maybe they even went to Antiva to visit (seeing as the Crows couldn't do much with them together) but then the Crows followed them back to Ferelden so Zevran had to fight back? It's open enough, and similar enough to what I expected, that I can make up a scenario that works for me. But considering everyone's different endings, I'm sure it's a tricky thing to pull off in every case.

The only thing that sounds weird is the writing style, but that's just getting into personal taste.


And OK, CZ, I went ahead and snuck a peek at your screenies even though I should be working on other things. Thanks for the laughs (and making my dreams of seeing your and Charsen's characters go at it come true =P )!

[ejoslin]

Ok, out of curiosity, how much would anyone be willing to spend for a DLC that featured going to antiva and dealing with the crows with Zevran -- provided Zevran was true to character as a friend or and as a romance partner? Say it was only a little longer than RtO. I seriously would spend FAR too much for something like that. Maybe $15 - $20. YES, I'm stupid that way, but I would be able to rationalize it with good writing and the voice actor! *sigh*

Edit: Yes, did a slight word change.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 mars 2010 - 05:04 .

[soulsweeper87]

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, out of curiosity, how much would anyone be willing to spend for a DLC that featured going to antiva and dealing with the crows with Zevran -- provided Zevran was true to character as a friend or a romance partner? Say it was only a little longer than RtO. I seriously would spend FAR too much for something like that. Maybe $15 - $20. YES, I'm stupid that way, but I would be able to rationalize it with good writing and the voice actor! *sigh*

I'm pretty sure I would pay that much, but I certainly wouldn't admit it to anyone outside Zev-loving circle

[jenovan]

soulsweeper87 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, out of curiosity, how much would anyone be willing to spend for a DLC that featured going to antiva and dealing with the crows with Zevran -- provided Zevran was true to character as a friend or a romance partner? Say it was only a little longer than RtO. I seriously would spend FAR too much for something like that. Maybe $15 - $20. YES, I'm stupid that way, but I would be able to rationalize it with good writing and the voice actor! *sigh*

I'm pretty sure I would pay that much, but I certainly wouldn't admit it to anyone outside Zev-loving circle

LOL, same... XD  Well, I'd admit it, but I know it'd be you guys who could appreciate it.

[Addai]

I would pay a ridiculous sum, agreed.

[AndreaDraco]

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, out of curiosity, how much would anyone be willing to spend for a DLC that featured going to antiva and dealing with the crows with Zevran -- provided Zevran was true to character as a friend or a romance partner? Say it was only a little longer than RtO. I seriously would spend FAR too much for something like that. Maybe $15 - $20. YES, I'm stupid that way, but I would be able to rationalize it with good writing and the voice actor! *sigh*

Absolutely not...

... I'd pay even more than that! I can arrive at $25 - $30, if it's the only and last chance to see the Warden and Zevran.

[MorGothic]

AndreaDraco wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, out of curiosity, how much would anyone be willing to spend for a DLC that featured going to antiva and dealing with the crows with Zevran -- provided Zevran was true to character as a friend or a romance partner? Say it was only a little longer than RtO. I seriously would spend FAR too much for something like that. Maybe $15 - $20. YES, I'm stupid that way, but I would be able to rationalize it with good writing and the voice actor! *sigh*

Absolutely not...

... I'd pay even more than that! I can arrive at $25 - $30, if it's the only and last chance to see the Warden and Zevran.

Sssshhh...you will give EA idea's... next they will release something thats "pay as you play"...