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[TheComfyCat]

Yeah, I don't find Morrigan particularly appealing either, but it would be sad to leave out the Morri fans if they're appeasing the fans of the other romances.

And Nathaniel is not the same person as Thomas, as Jenovan mentioned. I also agree that we can assume he's probably not mentioned because he's been away doing other things.

Modifié par senorfuzzylips, 22 mars 2010 - 06:47 .

[Addai]

Nonvita wrote...

The Morrigan hunt is pretty creepy to me, actually. I mean, she tells you not to go looking for her very clearly, and I really think she means it. I can't imagine breaking up with a boyfriend (even one you care about a lot), and having him show up a couple years later telling you he's been searching for you the whole time. That's not romantic, that's stalkerish.

The Morrigan romance is complicated, however.  She gives you a ring and hints that it can be used so that she can find you and vice versa (edit:  she tells you that she can use it to find you, but hints that it can also be used to find her).  I could see Morrigan saying "don't follow me," all the while secretly hoping that you will.  I haven't finished Aedan yet, however, so I'll have to report back once I do the DR stuff with him.


*Awakening stuff*

Edit 2: So wait, is it possible to explain to me the whole Nathaniel/Thomas thing without spoilers? I don't understand why Nathaniel was never mentioned in Origins but then suddenly pops up out of nowhere... They're not the same person, right?

He (Nathaniel) was squiring in the Free Marches.  Another Howe brother is mentioned, though it doesn't seem to fit with him being Thomas, either.  It's said that he died in the war and that he was a big drinker, which doesn't seem to square with him being quite a bit younger than a Cousland PC.

Modifié par Addai67, 22 mars 2010 - 06:48 .

[AndreaDraco]

senorfuzzylips wrote...

Yeah, I don't find Morrigan particularly appealing either, but it would be sad to leave out the Morri fans if they're appeasing the fans of the other romances.

And Nathaniel is not the same person as Thomas, as Jenovan mentioned. I also agree that we can assume he's probably not mentioned because he's been away doing other things.

I can't remember: is Nathaniel's sister's name consistent with the one Arl Howe gives the HN in the beginning? I'm too lazy to replay the Origin right now

[JosieJ]

Addai67 wrote...

He (Nathaniel) was squiring in the Free Marches.  Another Howe brother is mentioned, though it doesn't seem to fit with him being Thomas, either.  It's said that he died in the war and that he was a big drinker, which doesn't seem to square with him being quite a bit younger than a Cousland PC.

Considering the amount of drunken teens I've come across in my day, I think it's perfectly plausible that Thomas would be quite the hard-partyer. I always imagined him 3 or 4 years younger than my Cousland (who's around 21 or 22), so 17 or 18 doesn't seem too young to be a hard-partying teen.

Modifié par JosieJ, 22 mars 2010 - 06:54 .

[Addai]

AndreaDraco wrote...

I can't remember: is Nathaniel's sister's name consistent with the one Arl Howe gives the HN in the beginning? I'm too lazy to replay the Origin right now

Yes, it's Delilah in both Origins and Awakening.

[Nonvita]

jenovan wrote...

Sresla has been the only one I've seen to comment that Nate is bi, but I'm not sure where he got that idea.  (I would not object. )  Anders does seem to be hetero, from what I've seen so far...

Ooo Nate becoming a bi romance in a future expansion would be sweet! (Again, please don't spoil me if he dies, gruesomely or otherwise, or somehow becomes incapable of romancing.) I don't even play male characters and I like the idea...
And Anders is more straight than Alistair, it seems, considering even his description mentioned his love of women (why he can't love women in Awakening is beyond me <_<).

They definitely aren't, I get the impression Nathaniel is the oldest of the children, but I'm not sure that's true... and he talks about "his brother" (Thomas, I would assume).  Nathaniel's been away from home for years, which may be why he was never mentioned in Origins.

OK, that's what I thought. I just didn't understand why he was never mentioned before, and also why Howe was trying to marry off Thomas first of all (when he'd have to be younger than Nate, or else it makes the HN 30-something). But I can accept it. =P

Edit:

Addai67 wrote...

The Morrigan romance is complicated,
however.  She gives you a ring and hints that it can be used so that
she can find you and vice versa (edit:  she tells you that she can use
it to find you, but hints that it can also be used to find her).  I
could see Morrigan saying "don't follow me," all the while secretly
hoping that you will.  I haven't finished Aedan yet, however, so I'll
have to report back once I do the DR stuff with him.

Eh, I guess so. It's still pretty creepy to me, though. I mean, she just (in most cases) used your sperm to make a God Baby, then ran off to Orlais or elsewhere to raise the baby to do who knows what... It just doesn't sound like the type of relationship people should want to run back to, regardless of having feelings for the person. And the idea of spending years of one's life searching for her just doesn't seem romantic to me in the slightest. But I know a lot of people would disagree, and of all the possible 'romance packs' it would definitely be the highest selling. =P

Modifié par Nonvita, 22 mars 2010 - 07:02 .

[Cuddlezarro]

Addai67 wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote...

I can't remember: is Nathaniel's sister's name consistent with the one Arl Howe gives the HN in the beginning? I'm too lazy to replay the Origin right now

Yes, it's Delilah in both Origins and Awakening.

Speaking of Delilah *mild very early game spoilers for Awakening*

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the cow didnt even apologize!

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 22 mars 2010 - 07:31 .

[Cuddlezarro]

oh and on the Morrigan romance topic it says you can feel Morrigans emotions from the ring from time to time and that you can feel regret from it in the ending slide

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 22 mars 2010 - 07:35 .

[ejoslin]

OMG CZ, that is just too funny.

[Nonvita]

Cuddlezarro wrote...
Speaking of Delilah *mild very early game spoilers for Awakening*
...

the cow didnt even apologize!

That ****!


And I don't think regret changes the situation. I regretted breaking up with my long-term boyfriend, and I still cared about him afterward, but that doesn't mean I want him showing up at my doorstep trying to get back with me. Simply wanting to know what happened with the baby I can understand, but wanting to continue the relationship just has "FAIL" written all over it to me.

[EccentricSage]

Minaleth wrote...

Sannox wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

 Hmmmm, since I didn't see the spoiler, this MAY not be what it was about.  But it was something that bugged the hell out of me, and some of the responses made me think that I play a different version of DAO than a lot of other people!

Yes, that was it!  It made no sense.  I even had a go at imagining that Zevran was lying in DA:O, but that didn't work when I reasoned it out.  I think some of those people must have missed some of the game, and they also seem to miss your main point. 

I was also thinking that in addition to that, if Zevran was in Antiva he would likely have some inside knowledge (depending on what he was doing there)..

Actually, there is slight possibility that those two things are related. Imagine you are crow masters and you manage to pull apart the warden and you former run away employee. You could assume that they would be less deadly apart than together. And it would be nice to fulfill the old contract (++reputation) even more if you get paid for the same person once again (the noblewoman). It's still in your best interest to kill off Zevran for many reasons (or just to demonstrate that you DO NOT leave the crown), and look he doesn't have the Warden now to secure hiss cute ass, oh he came to Antiva, how lovely. Wouldn't you try to push your luck even if that might be impolitical? 
Enough speculations, I stick with my first explanation - the awakening attempt is mistake, and we don't know what Zev is really up to. *shrugs*

This scenario makes perfect sence to me.  It also would be a good basis for the writers to build a storyline in which you journy to Antiva.  Perhaps there is a faction in the Crows who are too greedy and power hungry and are ever stepping their bounds.  Perhaps they are becoming so confident in their power and influence that they are testing the waters of international politics... Seeing how far they can push the limits before kingdoms start pushing back.  If they COULD take out comander of the Grey Wardens, that would send a powerful message.

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...

OMG CZ, that is just too funny.

its bad enough to be married to anora with his favorite boy toy off in Antiva...but he has to put up with annoying younger women insulting him to his face without realising he was standing right there...

I should be able to decapitate her with starfang... or atleast punch her in the face isolde style :3

edit: also arnt companions suppossed to be able to get 3 specializations? mine are only getting 2 (Xander has 3 however)

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 22 mars 2010 - 07:48 .

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

OMG CZ, that is just too funny.

its bad enough to be married to anora with his favorite boy toy off in Antiva...but he has to put up with annoying younger women insulting him to his face without realising he was standing right there...

I should be able to decapitate her with starfang... or atleast punch her in the face isolde style :3

There ought to be a mod!  *grin*

On a bit of an unrelated note (completely unrelated), I noticed in the toolset that there's a Zevran "still in love" flag under a couple of circumstances (much like the Alistair "still in love" flag that will get him to insist on taking the final blow even if your'e in friendly).  I wonder if that's just for consistency or if that is there with an expansion in mind.

One can only hope...

[Cuddlezarro]

oh and I met Wynne... Gardening... :giggles: Im guessing Shale got sick of the old cow and told her to get lost

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 22 mars 2010 - 07:50 .

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

On a bit of an unrelated note (completely unrelated), I noticed in the toolset that there's a Zevran "still in love" flag under a couple of circumstances (much like the Alistair "still in love" flag that will get him to insist on taking the final blow even if your'e in friendly).  I wonder if that's just for consistency or if that is there with an expansion in mind.

One can only hope...

Oo does it affect anything in Origins? Any idea when/how it triggers? That's very interesting, I mean I love the idea but I really thought Alistair was the only one who it applied to. *hopes for future expansions to have Zevran re-love*

[Sresla]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

the cow didnt even apologize!

To be fair, CZ, Xander is a bit stuck up! Don't deny it, he has ego written all over his... face.

Lucky me, the DA wiki had the conversation that I drew the inference from regarding Nate's... preferences:

Oghren: The whole "quiet and stoic" thing must get you a lot of action, huh?
Nathaniel: I take you are an admirer, Oghren?
Oghren: What? No! No, well not unless--no!
Nathaniel: Good. Then I needn't worry about getting too drunk at camp.
Oghren: Heh. Okay, I like you. Just not in that way.

Nathaniel's character just doesn't strike me as being the "I'm just having a bit of fun with you" type, so yes, that's where I got that from (or was it wishful thinking... not for me though, this is just for Alessar's sake, really. Jenovan is so crushing on Nate.) I should add that he turns on the flirt with Velanna as well, so.

Modifié par Sresla, 22 mars 2010 - 08:04 .

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

On a bit of an unrelated note (completely unrelated), I noticed in the toolset that there's a Zevran "still in love" flag under a couple of circumstances (much like the Alistair "still in love" flag that will get him to insist on taking the final blow even if your'e in friendly).  I wonder if that's just for consistency or if that is there with an expansion in mind.

One can only hope...

Oo does it affect anything in Origins? Any idea when/how it triggers? That's very interesting, I mean I love the idea but I really thought Alistair was the only one who it applied to. *hopes for future expansions to have Zevran re-love*

It triggers if you tell Zevran you don't feel the same and he breaks up with you after he's in love you want to end it after he falls in love .  Checking on a few other instances to see if they trigger it as well -- for a future edit!

Edit: Only found the one instance of that flag.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 mars 2010 - 08:06 .

[Creature 1]

Sresla wrote...
Lucky me, the DA wiki had the conversation that I drew the inference from regarding Nate's... preferences:

Oghren: The whole "quiet and stoic" thing must get you a lot of action, huh?
Nathaniel: I take you are an admirer, Oghren?
Oghren: What? No! No, well not unless--no!
Nathaniel: Good. Then I needn't worry about getting too drunk at camp.
Oghren: Heh. Okay, I like you. Just not in that way.

Nathaniel's character just doesn't strike me as being the "I'm just having a bit of fun with you" type, so yes, that's where I got that from (or was it wishful thinking... not for me though, this is just for Alessar's sake, really. Jenovan is so crushing on Nate.)

I can see a straight guy saying that though.  

Alessar??  But he's with Zevran! 

[Sresla]

Creature 1 wrote...

I can see a straight guy saying that though.

Eh, ambigious enough it could be meant either way, imo.

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

It triggers if you tell Zevran you don't feel the same and he breaks up with you after he's in love.  Checking on a few other instances to see if they trigger it as well -- for a future edit!

I now have hope for my Dalish! Haven't started her yet (she got pushed back behind my Mage play and CE replay...), but I always imagined she'd be in such a bad place after Tamlen's reappearance that she wouldn't know what to do when Zevran offers the ring, and, well, muck it up. If it's possible they could get back together later on (as I'd always hoped it would be) then it would make me a happy camper!

*note to self: dig around in the toolset more*

Edit: Wait, wha-? You edited! Grrr... So it doesn't trigger from the "This is too much" line?

Modifié par Nonvita, 22 mars 2010 - 08:08 .

[AnniLau]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

oh and I met Wynne... Gardening... :giggles: Im guessing Shale got sick of the old cow and told her to get lost

I like Wynne, but Ines' conversation about her had me laughing.

[EccentricSage]

jenovan wrote...

*possible spoilers, tried to keep it vague*

Hmm, didn't want to stir up the other thread ejoslin linked -- it's been quiet for 3 days -- but maybe I should. I'll stick this here for now, though. XD Perhaps the reason for the letter and the Awakenings epilogue are directly related to that "inconsistency"? Maybe Zevran got word of what was going down in the arling and went to investigate/bash some skulls/whatnot, since it was 1) the breaking of a promise, and 2) really stupid? XD I don't know... my brain tries to force it to make sense. T_T


re: the mage origin, I agree that the horror of being in the Tower isn't really well-conveyed at first... especially if you help Jowan. If you turn him in... good lord, that turned me against Irving forever. oO;; But yeah... you find out much worse things about the Tower later in the game. Kinda makes sense, in that most of the apprentices would be sheltered from that kind of thing, but ES is right -- the Templars don't seem particularly threatening, and the Harrowing was a laugh. (Well, the latter is supposedly because you're just that awesome, but still. XD)

I didn't care much for Jowan at first, either -- I was like, why should my mage risk everything to help you? I had to think more about my PC's past (read: make one up) to find a good relationship for him and Jowan. That made meeting Jowan later quite a bit more poignant (thank goodness). *lonely Jowan fan* XD

That's the thing... I LIKED Jowan when I met him as a non mage in Redcliff.  He was tragic and he understood that he made mistakes and fealt responsible for them.  He was more than willing to stay and help, and when helping was over, he accepted his fate with quiet dignity that broke my heart and made me want to save him all the more.  It makes me think Jowan in the mage's tower and Jowan in Redcliff were written by two different people or something.

I think all they needed to do was have thee be a LOT more templars... two in every room at least, constantly watching the mages.  When you try to talk to them, maybe some would be decent but others would obviously be hostile or cold.  THAT would have given me that feeling of clausterfobia and constant unease in the tower.

When Jowan needs to talk in private, THAT should be when you do the quest to cleanse the store room tunnels of spiders.  They could have made the fact that Jowan is suspected of blood magic be a driving factor in allowing him to go with you.  They could have made a deal with Lilly to see if Jowan would use blood magic when in a fight, and to see if he has spread this forbiden knowledge to their newest mage who they think got through the harrowing far too easily.  But then Lilly turns out to be on Jowans side in the end.  THIS scenarion would have fleshed out the story and would have added to the atmosphere.  Talking in the frickn' temple with no one guarding it was such a freekn' joke.  I didn't feal frightened or nervouse at all!  They should have made it so that simply talking alone would be a really harrowing experience.  Here you'd be, so desperate just for a moment alone that you are releaved to get to fight a cave full of terifying giant and poisonous spiders.  That would have had more impact.

As for relationships with the NPCs... first off, the voice actors sucked at conveying emotion.  If the VA for Jowan sounded trully anxious and terrified... panicked, thinking theat he could be dragged off and made tranquil at any moment, then I wouldn't have thought he was anoying... I would have reacted more strongly.  Lilly also should have been pleading and speeking passionetly.  She's his forbbiden lover.  Where's the passion?  The VA for those two sounded like something from a kids show.  Instead of having to ask Jowan what a tranquil is, yadda yadda, we could have learned all that from him when he starts pannicking and ranting at you about how horrible this is, how terrified he is.  That would have been a lot more powerful and a lot less boaring.

Also, when I first met Jowan after the harrowing we should have had personal conversation refering to things in our past instead of the really forced dialogue about the harrowing and tranquil.  That's all I would have needed.  Just some warm fuzzies between him and my character.  As for Cullen, he didn't have much to say to my male mage besides that he was verry glad that I survived.  He sounded sincerely sympathetic.  Then there was a bit about him knowing as long as he follows the teachings blah blah blah, but that part was impersonal and just him reasuring himself.  So I didn't get any strong feelings from him that others seem to get.  What does he say to a female mage?

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

It triggers if you tell Zevran you don't feel the same and he breaks up with you after he's in love.  Checking on a few other instances to see if they trigger it as well -- for a future edit!

I now have hope for my Dalish! Haven't started her yet (she got pushed back behind my Mage play and CE replay...), but I always imagined she'd be in such a bad place after Tamlen's reappearance that she wouldn't know what to do when Zevran offers the ring, and, well, muck it up. If it's possible they could get back together later on (as I'd always hoped it would be) then it would make me a happy camper!

*note to self: dig around in the toolset more*

Edit: Wait, wha-? You edited! Grrr... So it doesn't trigger from the "This is too much" line?

No, sorry   But you don't get the earring until quite a bit after Tamlen!  Hmmmmm.  Just muck it up on the first offer maybe?  *grin*

Edit: Crossed out the line.  You ONLY get it if you tell him you need to end it AFTER he falls in love (request that you cross it out in your post as well -- I would hate for someone to mess up their game with that).

Second edit: An interesting thing I found in here as well, though, if the line you get when he's at adore as opposed to when he's in love when you break up with him.  I'll have to test this, but the love "glitch" may have a real effect on that.  I've seen the line that is supposed to trigger when he's in love before Taliesen.  Now, it could be toolset screwiness as well.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 mars 2010 - 08:15 .

[Charsen]

Sresla wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...
I can see a straight guy saying that though.

Eh, ambigious enough it could be meant either way, imo.

agreed, and i like that ambiguity too.
but then again... what is it with rogues? 

[Cuddlezarro]

Charsen wrote...

Sresla wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...
I can see a straight guy saying that though.

Eh, ambigious enough it could be meant either way, imo.

agreed, and i like that ambiguity too.
but then again... what is it with rogues? 

they like to strike from behind