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[Charsen]

Ramante wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Ramante wrote...

Starting to get one problem... the name of new Wardens. I'm starting to run out of Egyptian names, named the dwarf Nechbet (patron of Upper-Egypt).

Heh, are you Egyptian?

I wish. (I'm Dutch)
Just totally obsessed with Egypt (I named my gerbils Anubis and Osiris, my fish Odion and Maat). If you check my account you'll notice that practically all my Wardens have Egyptian names (except my elven mage). And all my mabari's have an Egyptian name.
And my room is filled with statues and images from Egyptian things.

Only thing I need is going to Egypt. >_<

Ahh the only egyptian statue I keep in the bedroom is Min. =)
But you might be sad to see Egypt if you are an ancient Egyptian lover... it is a sad thing, the poverty and pollution. I spent more of my spare money giving to the little skinny children and old sickly women on the sides of the roads than i did on trinkets. it was heartbreaking. and you cannot even see the pyramids through the pollution on some days. oh well. it is still worth the trip one day, Ramante, it's more wonderful than not, but its extremes are more pronounced.

[Jaulen]

ejoslin wrote...

Jaulen wrote...

@ejoslin - Yes to all the Epi cards! Or just quote from the toolset.

I'm not thinking I like that epi card there.....I just can't see 90% of my GWs doing that.

I can see it -- my warden joining him Antiva, having a huge fight with the crows and giving them the message once and for all to stay away, then going and adventuring elsewhere.  I can't see a single one taking over the Crows, however.  I can't see Zevran taking them over with a living warden, either.

Hmm, I read that as the warden and Zev had a big fight.
But I agree, I just can't see a Warden taking over the Crows....or like you said, Zevran with a living Warden taking over the crows.
As long as adventuring meant killing darkspawn/finding Morrigan and the Old God Baby, my wardens would go for that.....

[TripLight]

Jaulen wrote...

My stupid warrior goes dancing around a target to position before striking, and by the time she dances around, and goes to hit, *boom* one of the others have killed who she was targeting.....silly girl is having to run off to go get the far away baddies to get any kills. Even then Zevran opr Alistair will swoop in and kill whomever she was going to go after and then run off to the next target.
I've been doing a lot of yelling at my laptop this game, cursing everyone stealing all my kills.

You and me both. I do excellent dmg but when my PC CE DW Warr trys to move around for the backstab...Alistiar, Morrigan, or Zev steal my kill:(. Also just got Punisher, am so loving it. The execution of it is badass.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

It's more annoying when Zevran kills it, saying either, "Too slow!" or "Ah, another point!"

LOL!  Love that.

@cz:  Yes, I'm sorry to wound your affection for Xander.    A rogue does not have crowd stun, it's true.  That's all I'll give you.

[Nonvita]

Addai67 wrote...

This is how I see it:  I never worry about positioning with a rogue, but with warrior I don't even have the option to do things like go for a backstab.  Warriors just seem like gimped rogues to me.  Unnaturally gimped.  I really wish the classes were merged, or something.  You can build a rogue to be high str/dex and there's no difference between them and a DW warrior, except the rogue has much better talents and skills.

Really the only good thing about my DW warrior is that it is Zevran who does the trap warning.  And of course, I could listen to him say "watch out, trap there" all day.  Not to mention all the gooey goodness you hear when you click on him to open a lock, which I could do anyway, but usually don't on my rogue just for convenience.  "Si amora." 

But as a rogue you don't have the option to taunt, have everyone come attack you, slaughter them all in two moves, then jump right in the face of the big baddy. Rogues have a lot going for them that warriors don't, but like I said I just find them enjoyable in different ways. I don't take whirlwind on my rogue since I don't want enemies on me, but on my warrior she was yelling "Bring it on!" to everyone and slicing them down like daisies. I also don't see the point in doing a high str/dex rogue since cunning is so important to them, so again it just played out differently to me. But meh, they're both fun, I'm just trying to help people have a more enjoyable experience with their warriors!

And CZ, I do have Advanced Tactics with the supposed backstab fix, but I still often find I have to move Zevran myself...

[ejoslin]

Jaulen wrote...

Hmm, I read that as the warden and Zev had a big fight.
But I agree, I just can't see a Warden taking over the Crows....or like you said, Zevran with a living Warden taking over the crows.
As long as adventuring meant killing darkspawn/finding Morrigan and the Old God Baby, my wardens would go for that.....

It can be read either way, really.  Since you get it if you ended the game with him in love, it seems more likely that the terrible showdown was something they engaged in together instead of against each other.  I thought it was odd that it said the warden went chasing after Zevran, actually.  Especially given the letter that was taken out of the game, where he still sounded just as devoted.

[Cuddlezarro]

, but on my warrior she was yelling "Bring it on!" to everyone and slicing them down like daisies.

iv been having quite a bit of fun with Xander in awakening



seriously all his new skills are pretty much what you just said



if he isnt shooting shockwaves at people, he spinning his sword around sending them flying in all directions, shooting pretty pink energy waves at people or raping mages from afar with holy smite

[Cuddlezarro]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

It's more annoying when Zevran kills it, saying either, "Too slow!" or "Ah, another point!"

LOL!  Love that.

@cz:  Yes, I'm sorry to wound your affection for Xander.    A rogue does not have crowd stun, it's true.  That's all I'll give you.

whats your max damage with your rogue BTW?

[Addai]

Well, I play my rogues more like warriors than most people do. They run into the fray just like anyone else, though I do often start out with a stealthed hit. Taunt never really works anyway, as far as I can see.



You can build rogues with little to no cunning, you just build them differently and you need to take more deft hands if you want to open locks yourself. Nathaniel and Sigrun are both excellent examples of a str/dex rogue. Zevran is high dex, and they probably left him that way so you could either go str/dex or cun/dex.

[jenovan]

Jaulen wrote...

@Jenovan - Love your avatar pic!

Thank ya! :3

Charsen wrote...

Ahh the only egyptian statue I keep in the bedroom is Min. =)

Had to LOL at that one.


*sits back and watches the warrior vs. rogue war continue*

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

It's more annoying when Zevran kills it, saying either, "Too slow!" or "Ah, another point!"

LOL!  Love that.

@cz:  Yes, I'm sorry to wound your affection for Xander.    A rogue does not have crowd stun, it's true.  That's all I'll give you.

whats your max damage with your rogue BTW?

Archer or DW?  My archers in Origins could get over 1k damage on occasion.  DW normally would be hitting for between 80 - 110 very fast, sometimes hitting in the 120s.  It's the speed of the hits that make the difference though.

[Charsen]

You're all mistaken. Engineer is the best class - throw out a combat drone, sabotage - get Tali to do the same thing... Two combat drones are enough ----



oh wait, wrong thread

[Cuddlezarro]

Addai67 wrote...

Well, I play my rogues more like warriors than most people do. They run into the fray just like anyone else, though I do often start out with a stealthed hit. Taunt never really works anyway, as far as I can see.

You can build rogues with little to no cunning, you just build them differently and you need to take more deft hands if you want to open locks yourself. Nathaniel and Sigrun are both excellent examples of a str/dex rogue. Zevran is high dex, and they probably left him that way so you could either go str/dex or cun/dex.

taunt never works? yes it does I pretty much rely on my tank to hold all the aggro away from *every* one else in my party and no Xander is not my tank because with bloodthirst activated that would be a death sentence

also Nathaniel in my games a cunning rogue since I wanted bard spec (and I dont have Sigrun)

[Jaulen]

@ejoslin, that's what I thought reading it too, weird that the Warden would go running after him (to drag him back? Maybe if you said the "You can go if you come back" line to him at the end, *sigh* Maybe my initial fears with the DAO epi cards where it's only *for a time* were true, and he DOES leave you...(but the epi cards NEVER say he leaves your side if you go back to the Wardens, so somethings up)) and that's what made me think the Warden and Zev were the ones in the fight, especially with the 'it kind of sounds like a make-up' sentences after that.



Nice to see he's alive though, when I first read the letter I though "Oh no, he's gone to Antiva and the Crows killed him. Nice Bioware, what a great way to kill off a LI and make it so you it's one less character to worry about for the next expac or any sort of sequel (if it's in a soon enough timeline for you to be able to use your GW from origins)"



I'm just not having any warm fuzzy feelings that the LI's will return in any additional expacs or sequels, even IF you could import an Origins/Awakenings Warden. Depending on timelines, and from what I've been seeing of Awakenings, I'd be suprised if we got any real additional chances to play our current GWs. But of course, that opinion may change after actually playing Awakenings.

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

It's more annoying when Zevran kills it, saying either, "Too slow!" or "Ah, another point!"

LOL!  Love that.

@cz:  Yes, I'm sorry to wound your affection for Xander.    A rogue does not have crowd stun, it's true.  That's all I'll give you.

whats your max damage with your rogue BTW?

Archer or DW?  My archers in Origins could get over 1k damage on occasion.  DW normally would be hitting for between 80 - 110 very fast, sometimes hitting in the 120s.  It's the speed of the hits that make the difference though.

I wasnt talking about Archers since Arrow of slaying is pure cheese (2HW with enough willpower can hit for over 1k to though that would probably mean gimping your character)

Xander hit over for 500 earlier and im still using the import gear from Origins he also has crazy attack speed now that he has the final Spirit warrior skill (it stacks with bloodthirst and haste weeee~)

[Cuddlezarro]

also speaking of Archery cheese

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 23 mars 2010 - 10:09 .

[Addai]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

whats your max damage with your rogue BTW?

You mean the Greatest Damage Dealt stat?  According to Eren's page here, in Origins it was 220 and in Awakening... 4815.  I'm not sure how that was possible, but that's what it says.  LOL  She had a 90 hit rate in Origins and a 99 hit rate in Awakening.  I play on Easy, though, if that makes any difference.

And no, I can't see that Taunt works at all.  My mage gets aggro all the time.  She is a damage-dealer, but they seem to go after her regardless.  I guess it's armor rating, since she wears medium armor.

[Nonvita]

Addai67 wrote...
@cz:  Yes, I'm sorry to wound your affection for Xander.    A rogue does not have crowd stun, it's true.  That's all I'll give you.

My rogue also could not have tanked Flemeth with 1 health potion and no mages.

ejoslin wrote...

Archer or DW?  My archers in Origins could get over 1k damage on occasion.  DW normally would be hitting for between 80 - 110 very fast, sometimes hitting in the 120s.  It's the speed of the hits that make the difference though.

Rogues hit faster, but my rogue couldn't kill 6 people in one move with her whirlwind like my warrior.

They're each capable of doing different things. Saying that a warrior is a gimped rogue means you're not using the warrior to the best of its abilities. Same thing if you say rogues are gimped warriors.

[Jaulen]

Wow, reading this, I am totally specing my characters wrong.



Ah well....just makes it more like RL I guess.....no one's a perfect warrior/ninja/whatever unless you are Chuck Norris packing Duncan's Beard.

[Cuddlezarro]

Addai67 wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

whats your max damage with your rogue BTW?

You mean the Greatest Damage Dealt stat?  According to Eren's page here, in Origins it was 220 and in Awakening... 4815.  I'm not sure how that was possible, but that's what it says.  LOL  She had a 90 hit rate in Origins and a 99 hit rate in Awakening.  I play on Easy, though, if that makes any difference.

And no, I can't see that Taunt works at all.  My mage gets aggro all the time.  She is a damage-dealer, but they seem to go after her regardless.  I guess it's armor rating, since she wears medium armor.

why dont you have your tank in Massive armor? and yes taunt works since my favorite tactic (taunt in the middle of the enemy mob and blow them up with virulent walking bomb)  would not work without

[Addai]

Nonvita wrote...

Rogues hit faster, but my rogue couldn't kill 6 people in one move with her whirlwind like my warrior.

She could if built to do that.  I usually don't take DW Mastery because dagger-dagger is faster and thus deals more damage, so I just don't bother, but there's no reason a rogue can't be a dual longsword or dual axe wielder and use whirlwind.

[Cuddlezarro]

Nonvita wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
@cz:  Yes, I'm sorry to wound your affection for Xander.    A rogue does not have crowd stun, it's true.  That's all I'll give you.

My rogue also could not have tanked Flemeth with 1 health potion and no mages.

ejoslin wrote...

Archer or DW?  My archers in Origins could get over 1k damage on occasion.  DW normally would be hitting for between 80 - 110 very fast, sometimes hitting in the 120s.  It's the speed of the hits that make the difference though.

Rogues hit faster, but my rogue couldn't kill 6 people in one move with her whirlwind like my warrior.

They're each capable of doing different things. Saying that a warrior is a gimped rogue means you're not using the warrior to the best of its abilities. Same thing if you say rogues are gimped warriors.

Rogues have the same attack speed as warriors if both have momentum and the same equipment

Warriors can actually attack *faster* than a rogue if they have bloodthirst, momentum and the final spirit warrior skill toggled at the same time

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 23 mars 2010 - 10:19 .

[ejoslin]

Rogues do get whirlwind. I like both DW warrior and rogues, though. They're different.

Edit: I would not run a rogue into the middle of a room, attract everything and do whirlwind, though.  However, two rogues in a party means that those two mage encounters are a piece of cake.

Modifié par ejoslin, 23 mars 2010 - 10:20 .

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...

Rogues do get whirlwind. I like both DW warrior and rogues, though. They're different.

agreed

Edit: I would not run a rogue into the middle of a room, attract
everything and do whirlwind, though.  However, two rogues in a party
means that those two mage encounters are a piece of cake.

normally in those encounters they tend to be packed together which means I can just holy smite them onto their asses (or use mana clash and laugh as they die)

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 23 mars 2010 - 10:22 .

[Addai]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

why dont you have your tank in Massive armor?

I do.  Well, Alistair is usually wearing Warden Commander armor or Cailan's armor, Sten wears Juggernaut when I get it.  Lately I've been using the GW Runic Armor from a mod.

It's really pointless to argue it... everyone has their gameplay styles they like.  As I said upthread, I don't even take a tank if I have good options.  All rogues and mages, baby.  Stuff gets dead before the warriors are even warmed up to hit anything.