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[Jaulen]

ejoslin, what got me interested in the Zevran romance, was based on my first character who had both Alistair and Zevran at love (unknown since she was on PC) and after I finished the game the first time, I reloaded right before the rooftop and broke-up with Alistair to see the Zevran ending, broke up with Zevran to see the Alisatir ending...and the funeral sceen with Zevran just got to me....and finding out that there was more to the Zevran romance than I had experienced in my first playthrough.



But I think from future on, any elf (especially female) I have will be a Zevran romance. IMHO the elf Zevran tent scene is the most....touching.

[MorGothic]

Darkannex wrote...
(which also leaves me a bad taste-my pc just 'vanishes' one day?)
 

Same here my Dwarf Noble is very about doing your duty even if you don't want to. He made Behlen king because he saw he would be a strong ruler despite his personal feelings about the man, Alister (hardened) married Anora and became king and Loghain killed the Archdemon (this wasn't don't out of revenge, but respect). As such he wouldn't just "vanish".

Another thing that annoyed me was Alister's camo because he treated my Warden like crap.

*Sigh* Has anyone else read "Oghren hate" thread..it's the usual  "I hate him because I never used him, taken him the Gunlet/Fade, and refuse to see he has depth because I don't like him..."

[Darkannex]

I liked Oghren (mostly) during origins, I can't stand him in my party during awakening though-although his personal quest made me a bit more mollified.

[ejoslin]

SurelyForth, it's possible, but I don't think so. Since Zevran is also a male love interest, I think there's a bit more to it, and the timing of when he can fall in love doesn't make any difference really. He won't fall in love unless the romance is turned on, and that, like with Alistair, can happen at any time. I think the timing of his falling in love is later because he fought it harder.



And truly, I did not view him as a "consolation prize." It helps that I got the best ending possible with Zevran, I suppose, because I was completely not going to be burned by another character in the game.



It was only my first playthrough that went that way. I won't put myself through another public breakup with Alistair. Plus I actually prefer the Zevran romance. Not only for the ending, which is incredible, but everything about it, while gritty, is sweet in an incredibly different way than most romances. Watching someone who knows how to seduce but doesn't know how to romance someone try to actually romance them is touching. Especially since he is so awkward about it. Alistair has the pretty words, hands down, but Zevran, he can and does put the Warden first. Alistair doesn't necessarily have that luxury.

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

You can downplay the Alistair/Queen interaction at the beginning with the right responses (either one where you say his name yield pretty neutral/friendly responses) and just pretend that he likes spending time with you because you're friends (and that he's whispering something about Mhairi's rack). It's a stretch, on account of the Sexy Voice, (and silly that the game doesn't account for a political marriage) but it could be done. Or maybe it's all about keeping up appearances!

LOL

I actually chose those responses on my 1st go at this scene- just don't think my PC would call him "dear husband" even in formal settings- and was disappointed at how cold it all seemed.  The forums here, as per usual, clued me in that he says more flirtatious things with the other responses, so naturally I had to reload.  Have to get your squee on where you can.

[ejoslin]

@Jaulen, have you seen the complete romance by now? The parts past the first offering of the earring? I'm sure you have, but THAT is what got me. That incredibly awkward and hopeful "not unless you wish it," when you ask him if he proposed.

[Addai]

MorGothic wrote...
Another thing that annoyed me was Alister's camo because he treated my Warden like crap.

??  It was pretty formal, but I saw it as him acting as your commander-in-chief.  The Alistair cameo is, I think, intended to show him as Alistair the King and to distinguish him from Alistair the goofy guy in Origins.  They only get 60 seconds to show that character development.

It's still 60 seconds that Zevran doesn't get, of course. 

[Jaulen]

I agree with MorGothic.

I just don't see a Warden, especially one who picked 'stick with the GW's', just up and vanishing.

Most of my (living) Wardens came around to seeing teh GW's as their ultimate duty....one EC as a reluctant duty (I could see her vanishing), but my DE now veiws the Wardens as her clan....(it was very hard to tell whatsherface afterwards "I'm not returning"), and my HN (although she's going after Alistair and at this point I *think* she'll be queen) daddy did say that there was no higher calling than being a GW...so I think she'd leave queenship to be a GW before she'd leave the GW's just to disappear (unless her disappearance was somehow related to the darkspawn and saving Thedas).



I liked Oghren in Origins, after I got to know him a bit. I really liked the "Here Warden, have a drink" bit. LMAO watching my CEM pass out.

[SurelyForth]

ejoslin wrote...

SurelyForth, it's possible, but I don't think so. Since Zevran is also a male love interest, I think there's a bit more to it, and the timing of when he can fall in love doesn't make any difference really. He won't fall in love unless the romance is turned on, and that, like with Alistair, can happen at any time. I think the timing of his falling in love is later because he fought it harder.

And truly, I did not view him as a "consolation prize." It helps that I got the best ending possible with Zevran, I suppose, because I was completely not going to be burned by another character in the game.

It was only my first playthrough that went that way. I won't put myself through another public breakup with Alistair. Plus I actually prefer the Zevran romance. Not only for the ending, which is incredible, but everything about it, while gritty, is sweet in an incredibly different way than most romances. Watching someone who knows how to seduce but doesn't know how to romance someone try to actually romance them is touching. Especially since he is so awkward about it. Alistair has the pretty words, hands down, but Zevran, he can and does put the Warden first. Alistair doesn't necessarily have that luxury.

Yeah, you can get his approval to 100, but you don't get the best part until after the Landsmeet. I just think it feels pointed to do it like that, since the other male LI can end your relationship at around the same time.

I don't find Zev to be a consolation prize either, but I think some players use him as such and it's unfair to him.

[Cuddlezarro]

Sabriana wrote...

That's good to know, Creature. Thanks. Sheesh! A 2H berserker elf. What is wrong with me?
I guess I'm an archdemon short of a Blight too

[Charsen]

I'm a bit surprised that Zevran doesn't have a reaction if he's clearly a second place prize (after the harshest Alistair breakup). Seems someone with that much cunning would notice this, and not feel that the secondary attraction was genuine.

[ejoslin]

SurelyForth wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

SurelyForth, it's possible, but I don't think so. Since Zevran is also a male love interest, I think there's a bit more to it, and the timing of when he can fall in love doesn't make any difference really. He won't fall in love unless the romance is turned on, and that, like with Alistair, can happen at any time. I think the timing of his falling in love is later because he fought it harder.

And truly, I did not view him as a "consolation prize." It helps that I got the best ending possible with Zevran, I suppose, because I was completely not going to be burned by another character in the game.

It was only my first playthrough that went that way. I won't put myself through another public breakup with Alistair. Plus I actually prefer the Zevran romance. Not only for the ending, which is incredible, but everything about it, while gritty, is sweet in an incredibly different way than most romances. Watching someone who knows how to seduce but doesn't know how to romance someone try to actually romance them is touching. Especially since he is so awkward about it. Alistair has the pretty words, hands down, but Zevran, he can and does put the Warden first. Alistair doesn't necessarily have that luxury.

Yeah, you can get his approval to 100, but you don't get the best part until after the Landsmeet. I just think it feels pointed to do it like that, since the other male LI can end your relationship at around the same time.

I don't find Zev to be a consolation prize either, but I think some players use him as such and it's unfair to him.

After the Landsmeet is called, that is, not after the Landsmeet.  There's still a bit to do after the Taliesen encounter.  The relationship flows better, like all of them do, if it's done slowly.

Edit: On my first playthrough, I did not have Zevran at 100 friendly, so I still had his approval to raise when I switched it on, and it worked ok.  It would be weird, though, if you had him at 100 friendly and turned it on.  Same thing with Alistair's romance.  I've turned it on just prior to the landsmeet, and with blood and guts got his rose, got his first kiss, etc.  Ran back to camp, got propositioned -- it was funny, but ummm, not good.  With Zevran's romance, it would be just as weird.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 mars 2010 - 04:16 .

[TheComfyCat]

ejoslin wrote...

SurelyForth, it's possible, but I don't think so. Since Zevran is also a male love interest, I think there's a bit more to it, and the timing of when he can fall in love doesn't make any difference really. He won't fall in love unless the romance is turned on, and that, like with Alistair, can happen at any time. I think the timing of his falling in love is later because he fought it harder.

And truly, I did not view him as a "consolation prize." It helps that I got the best ending possible with Zevran, I suppose, because I was completely not going to be burned by another character in the game.

It was only my first playthrough that went that way. I won't put myself through another public breakup with Alistair. Plus I actually prefer the Zevran romance. Not only for the ending, which is incredible, but everything about it, while gritty, is sweet in an incredibly different way than most romances. Watching someone who knows how to seduce but doesn't know how to romance someone try to actually romance them is touching. Especially since he is so awkward about it. Alistair has the pretty words, hands down, but Zevran, he can and does put the Warden first. Alistair doesn't necessarily have that luxury.

I agree. And I think it's more that returning to Denerim for the Landsmeet is a turning point in the plot, and a good way to prolong the romances through to the end of the game. Otherwise you'd dry up all the dialogue too soon...

But I'm in the "I always preferred Zevran" camp. I found Alistair's romance too... juvenile.

I do agree, SurelyForth, though, that it's unfair to poor Zev to be treated like a "consolation prize," since he falls so hard for the Warden when the romance is completed. (Uh, that's not intended to be a euphemism)

EDIT: Ha, nice screenshot, CZ . lol!

Charsen wrote...

I'm a bit surprised that Zevran doesn't have a reaction if he's clearly a
second place prize (after the harshest Alistair breakup). Seems someone
with that much cunning would notice this, and not feel that the
secondary attraction was genuine.

That's a good point. It would be very in-character for him to mention that... considering he's right there when the breakup happens... lol.

Modifié par senorfuzzylips, 24 mars 2010 - 04:19 .

[Jaulen]

ejoslin wrote...

@Jaulen, have you seen the complete romance by now? The parts past the first offering of the earring? I'm sure you have, but THAT is what got me. That incredibly awkward and hopeful "not unless you wish it," when you ask him if he proposed.

Oh yeah, once I realized there was an earring and a full blown romance for Zevran after the first play through (since first play through I never even got to the earring offer) I was all about trying out the Zev romance. DE is the only one where I've gone through the game ONLY romancing Zevran. It was fun keeping Alistair's approval down that game. Alistair's approval didn't get above positive with my DE until after the Tamlen encounter at camp and she finally realized what a jerk she'd been being toward Alistair re: his Duncan grief.
Never done Zevran as a rebound from Alistair though.
My last CE it was pretty funny, she didn't have Alistair at love (I think it was a moderate-high interested), but my CE was romancing Zevran and had him at 100% at that point (wasn't interested in pursuing an Alistair romance), and then the after we made Alistair king, Alistair goes into the whole "We have to end this speech" and she was like "I didn't realize there was an us." and his "Oh let's not kid ourselves, we both know where this was going" I really wish there had been a "Stare at Alistair with a puzzled look, not say anything" response.....or by the end of that conversation "Shake Alistair and yell at him "It was all in YOUR head, buddy!" Becuase my CE was totally confused with why Alistair was dumping her and talking about kids when they hadn't even kissed.

[ejoslin]

Charsen wrote...

I'm a bit surprised that Zevran doesn't have a reaction if he's clearly a second place prize (after the harshest Alistair breakup). Seems someone with that much cunning would notice this, and not feel that the secondary attraction was genuine.

It really does play out a lot better if the romance is done slowly.  Now, you can also, if you want, do an Alistair as a rebound from Zevran romance, IF you can stomach a late-game Zevran breakup.  Same mechanic.  Get dumped by Zevran, turn on the Alistair romance, and get all the goodies.  And if it's done post-landsmeet, it makes no difference, you won't get dumped or have to agree to be a mistress.

Edit: Of course, what gets me the most about Zevran breakups is how incredibly sweet he is.  In most of them, his main concern is that the warden is ok.  Heartbreaking!

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 mars 2010 - 04:23 .

[ejoslin]

Jaulen wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

@Jaulen, have you seen the complete romance by now? The parts past the first offering of the earring? I'm sure you have, but THAT is what got me. That incredibly awkward and hopeful "not unless you wish it," when you ask him if he proposed.

Oh yeah, once I realized there was an earring and a full blown romance for Zevran after the first play through (since first play through I never even got to the earring offer) I was all about trying out the Zev romance. DE is the only one where I've gone through the game ONLY romancing Zevran. It was fun keeping Alistair's approval down that game. Alistair's approval didn't get above positive with my DE until after the Tamlen encounter at camp and she finally realized what a jerk she'd been being toward Alistair re: his Duncan grief.
Never done Zevran as a rebound from Alistair though.
My last CE it was pretty funny, she didn't have Alistair at love (I think it was a moderate-high interested), but my CE was romancing Zevran and had him at 100% at that point (wasn't interested in pursuing an Alistair romance), and then the after we made Alistair king, Alistair goes into the whole "We have to end this speech" and she was like "I didn't realize there was an us." and his "Oh let's not kid ourselves, we both know where this was going" I really wish there had been a "Stare at Alistair with a puzzled look, not say anything" response.....or by the end of that conversation "Shake Alistair and yell at him "It was all in YOUR head, buddy!" Becuase my CE was totally confused with why Alistair was dumping her and talking about kids when they hadn't even kissed.

Hehehehe, I had Alistair dump my city elf who was at -34 hostile once.  I think he found that hate speech he gave her when she hit -100 hostile as close to sex and *I* did!

[Jaulen]

Hmmm, hate speech sex.

I'll have to try a playthrough with Alistair at Hostile.....maybe my DFN. I could see her being a 'stop whining, I did what I had to do" sort.

Edit: I had thought my DE would be a Alistair hostile game (since she played as not liking humans, and not wanting to be a GW, and not liking Duncan). But then after Tamlen and his 'always loved you'  and then you KILL HIM....I was shell shocked, especially after the icy-cold glass of water Alistair tossed in her face with his "Well that's what happens" line and then his abrupt walk-off. I was expecting a bit of Alistair "I'm sorry for you" niceness, but no.....he was responding to her re: Tamlen like she was toward him re: Duncan. So she started being a little kinder to him.
So far I have found the Dalish elf the most emotionally invested of the characters.

Modifié par Jaulen, 24 mars 2010 - 04:28 .

[JosieJ]

MorGothic wrote...


*Sigh* Has anyone else read "Oghren hate" thread..it's the usual  "I hate him because I never used him, taken him the Gunlet/Fade, and refuse to see he has depth because I don't like him..."

I have, and I actually posted there that I really disliked Oghren in Awakenings because he reminded me of an alcoholic uncle I had, and (in contrast) compared Oghren in Origins to a jolly uncle that sometimes had a bit too much at parties.  I've been thinking about it, and that really cut closer than I thought it did.  

Although I don't think I was one of the ones claiming that he has no depth, I have to give kudos to the writers for making him so real as to remind me of an uncle that I loved at heart, but totally hated at times because of what he put our family through.

I still dislike Oghren in Awakenings--once you live around someone like that, the pain they cause others is harder to excuse, even if it comes from a place of pain within themselves.  But I can't argue that Awakenings Oghren is shallow.

[Charsen]

Well, to some degree, most characters in Awakening are shallow. Honestly though, I quite nearly despise only Velanna, but I can see why you'd be uncomfortable with Oghren.



I personally think Oghren is pretty typical of dwarves, fairly amusing, and i like that he's got the baggage of Branka and Felsi(?) with him, it actually seems more rounded than, say, Velanna. =P

[Cuddlezarro]

Charsen wrote...

Well, to some degree, most characters in Awakening are shallow. Honestly though, I quite nearly despise only Velanna, but I can see why you'd be uncomfortable with Oghren.

I personally think Oghren is pretty typical of dwarves, fairly amusing, and i like that he's got the baggage of Branka and Felsi(?) with him, it actually seems more rounded than, say, Velanna. =P

this...though I dont have the Elf yet but iv been enjoying oghren for what he is... though i just dumped him for Justice

ps how much approval do I need with Oggy to get him to talk about his family after you know who shows up all pissed?

oh and where do I get a fresh dragon egg so i can replace starfang

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 24 mars 2010 - 04:38 .

[MorGothic]

JosieJ wrote...

MorGothic wrote...


*Sigh* Has anyone else read "Oghren hate" thread..it's the usual  "I hate him because I never used him, taken him the Gunlet/Fade, and refuse to see he has depth because I don't like him..."

I have, and I actually posted there that I really disliked Oghren in Awakenings because he reminded me of an alcoholic uncle I had, and (in contrast) compared Oghren in Origins to a jolly uncle that sometimes had a bit too much at parties.  I've been thinking about it, and that really cut closer than I thought it did.  

Although I don't think I was one of the ones claiming that he has no depth, I have to give kudos to the writers for making him so real as to remind me of an uncle that I loved at heart, but totally hated at times because of what he put our family through.

I still dislike Oghren in Awakenings--once you live around someone like that, the pain they cause others is harder to excuse, even if it comes from a place of pain within themselves.  But I can't argue that Awakenings Oghren is shallow.

Don't get me wrong I understand where your coming from with that, I have no problem with you or anyone else disliking/hating him because he reminds you of the pain of a real life stiuation (and I do apologise for the extreme generaliation on my part), but that is completely different then saying he shallow character which was what I ment to point out.

My problem is when people see a drunk dwarf and asume thats all he is. I'm going to stop there becuase this really isn't the place to go into it.

[JosieJ]

MorGothic wrote...

JosieJ wrote...

MorGothic wrote...


*Sigh* Has anyone else read "Oghren hate" thread..it's the usual  "I hate him because I never used him, taken him the Gunlet/Fade, and refuse to see he has depth because I don't like him..."

I have, and I actually posted there that I really disliked Oghren in Awakenings because he reminded me of an alcoholic uncle I had, and (in contrast) compared Oghren in Origins to a jolly uncle that sometimes had a bit too much at parties.  I've been thinking about it, and that really cut closer than I thought it did.  

Although I don't think I was one of the ones claiming that he has no depth, I have to give kudos to the writers for making him so real as to remind me of an uncle that I loved at heart, but totally hated at times because of what he put our family through.

I still dislike Oghren in Awakenings--once you live around someone like that, the pain they cause others is harder to excuse, even if it comes from a place of pain within themselves.  But I can't argue that Awakenings Oghren is shallow.

Don't get me wrong I understand where your coming from with that, I have no problem with you or anyone else disliking/hating him because he reminds you of the pain of a real life stiuation (and I do apologise for the extreme generaliation on my part), but that is completely different then saying he shallow character which was what I ment to point out.

No worries--I'm actually agreeing with you!  I don't think he's shallow (certainly no more shallow than any of the other Awakening characters), but he's certainly not likeable, either.

[MorGothic]

Cuddlezarro wrote...
ps how much approval do I need with Oggy to get him to talk about his family after you know who shows up all pissed?

oh and where do I get a fresh dragon egg so i can replace starfang

Somewhere between 75 and 81 (75 was no convo, but one +6 gift got me it).

Fresh Dragon egg was Silverite Mine I think.

Modifié par MorGothic, 24 mars 2010 - 04:49 .

[Charsen]

Yes, Silverite mine with the dragon tamer.
Also bring Oghren with you to the mine, he has a small dialogue about the anvil & Branka that's worth seeing, iirc

edit: oh yeah, and <3 Justice.

Modifié par Charsen, 24 mars 2010 - 04:53 .

[MorGothic]

Charsen wrote...

Yes, Silverite mine with the dragon tamer.
Also bring Oghren with you to the mine, he has a small dialogue about the anvil & Branka that's worth seeing, iirc

That's Kal'Hirol (or however its spelled)

*Edit* I knew what I ment...<_<

Modifié par MorGothic, 24 mars 2010 - 04:58 .