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[Charsen]

MorGothic wrote...

Charsen wrote...

Yes, Silverite mine with the dragon tamer.
Also bring Oghren with you to the mine, he has a small dialogue about the anvil & Branka that's worth seeing, iirc

That's Kal'sharok (or however its spelled)

ah yes, you're right. i did those two things the same day and now it's something of a blur. 

[Cuddlezarro]

Charsen wrote...

Yes, Silverite mine with the dragon tamer.
Also bring Oghren with you to the mine, he has a small dialogue about the anvil & Branka that's worth seeing, iirc

edit: oh yeah, and <3 Justice.

I respecced Justiced and got an eyeful of nekkid zombie warden **** :E

[Charsen]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Charsen wrote...

Yes, Silverite mine with the dragon tamer.
Also bring Oghren with you to the mine, he has a small dialogue about the anvil & Branka that's worth seeing, iirc

edit: oh yeah, and <3 Justice.

I respecced Justiced and got an eyeful of nekkid zombie warden **** :E

Just you wait til Custom Bodies is out. Corpse dicks abound! 

[Cuddlezarro]

Charsen wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Charsen wrote...

Yes, Silverite mine with the dragon tamer.
Also bring Oghren with you to the mine, he has a small dialogue about the anvil & Branka that's worth seeing, iirc

edit: oh yeah, and <3 Justice.

I respecced Justiced and got an eyeful of nekkid zombie warden **** :E

Just you wait til Custom Bodies is out. Corpse dicks abound! 

also i tried runecrafting...why cant you rune craft in the main hall? and WHY is the freaking crafting window so damn cluttered and out of order

oh well I gave Nathaniels bow 3 paralyze runes(god I love combat tweaks) and he unleashed a scatter shot that stuns AND paralyzed the enemy...

[AnniLau]

Charsen wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

I respecced Justiced and got an eyeful of nekkid zombie warden **** :E

Just you wait til Custom Bodies is out. Corpse dicks abound! 

Bad time to look at the thread. Bad. Bad. *retreats*

[Charsen]

runecrafting made me furious actually

1. you have to go outside of the main hall to craft yet,
2. the runes don't stack properly (you have 32 notice flames and it's "one stack" but takes up 32 inventory slots), so that means
3. you have to dump everything you own in the personal chest, and STILL
4. you have to run back in for more tracings, runes, etc because your inventory is still only 125, not to mention
5. the cost of the paragons easily approaches probably 50-100g, meaning you have to depend on potion craft exploits to acquire many since there are limited non-exploitative money-making options, and...
6. the menu is ridiculously cluttered to the point of being almost useless
7. the random guy NPC sells paragon tracings when the Circle mage is right there... surely she would have access to paragon tracings before some random nobody would? what's the point?

in short..
rage

Man would i have liked to put those paragon paralyzes on Zevran

edit: sorry AnniLau 

Modifié par Charsen, 24 mars 2010 - 05:37 .

[Cuddlezarro]

Charsen wrote...

runecrafting made me furious actually

1. you have to go outside of the main hall to craft yet,
2. the runes don't stack properly (you have 32 notice flames and it's "one stack" but takes up 32 inventory slots), so that means
3. you have to dump everything you own in the personal chest, and STILL
4. you have to run back in for more tracings, runes, etc because your inventory is still only 125, not to mention
5. the cost of the paragons easily approaches probably 50-100g, meaning you have to depend on potion craft exploits to acquire many since there are limited non-exploitative money-making options, and...
6. the menu is ridiculously cluttered to the point of being almost useless
7. the random guy NPC sells paragon tracings when the Circle mage is right there... surely she would have access to paragon tracings before some random nobody would? what's the point?

in short..
rage

Man would i have liked to put those paragon paralyzes on Zevran

edit: sorry AnniLau 

when they *finally* release awakening mod tools fixing runecraft because damn its a pain but by god being able to spam paralyze runes is great

[jenovan]

(Oh god, Charsen, brain bleach now required  )

Okay, here's a build sort of question for you guys... if you're playing a DW rogue, but you want to bring Zevran around with ya, what do you do with him?  (Besides click on him to get him to say cute stuff, I mean. )

[ejoslin]

Paralyze runes ARE the best. Ok, you all have convinced me to give Awakenings another try. I am curious now to see if my HNF, political wife to Alistair ends up chasing Zevran or not.



I just finished Trial of the Crows and now I wonder -- Ignacio does ask you to go to Antiva after the blight, and makes it sound like the Crows may be interested in having you join them. That along with the Zevran epilogue makes me wonder if they are planning something of that nature.



I think my whining here has finally cleared up my nerd-angst over the direction of Zevran/the Crows story changing. I still will treat the Origins ending as what happened with them (I just don't see it any other way), but... hmmmmm.



The rest of this conversation has seriously distracted me...

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

(Oh god, Charsen, brain bleach now required  )

Okay, here's a build sort of question for you guys... if you're playing a DW rogue, but you want to bring Zevran around with ya, what do you do with him?  (Besides click on him to get him to say cute stuff, I mean. )

I keep him as a DW rogue.  I make sure his stealth is high.  You could change him to a ranger I suppose, though assassin skills are better for DW.  There are enough good daggers that that isn't a problem (Crow daggers are actually really good, 15% chance of crits on backstabs).  As long as you both have paralyze runes in your primary hand weapon, things still die very quickly.  It's fun on bosses, they keep flipping back and forth if not paralyzed so someone always has a back to stab.

In fact, this game, that's exactly what I'm doing and it works very well.  Encounters that have more than one mage are a cakewalk as well (stealth both rogues in, set them each up behind a mage with dirty fighting, then destroy them before anything else has a chance to react).  

[Addai]

jenovan wrote...

(Oh god, Charsen, brain bleach now required  )

Okay, here's a build sort of question for you guys... if you're playing a DW rogue, but you want to bring Zevran around with ya, what do you do with him?  (Besides click on him to get him to say cute stuff, I mean. )

Aye, let's keep the necrophilia discussions down to at least one a day, pretty please?  LOL

As for your question, by all means keep him a DW rogue.  This might ignite the rogue vs. warrior discussion yesterday, but there's no reason not to have two awesome fighters making mincemeat of everything in their path.  I might arrange specializations to be complementary.  I took Bard on my cunning rogue, even though I don't like it much (yes I know it's useful but... you're singing... it just seems dumb), to be complementary to Zevran.  But I also like the idea of being partners in crime and tag-teaming encounters.

[TheComfyCat]

ejoslin wrote...

Hehehehe, I had Alistair dump my city elf who was at -34 hostile once.  I think he found that hate speech he gave her when she hit -100 hostile as close to sex and *I* did!

LOL.

ejoslin wrote...

Paralyze runes ARE the best. Ok, you all have convinced me to give Awakenings another try. I am curious now to see if my HNF, political wife to Alistair ends up chasing Zevran or not.



I just finished Trial of the Crows and now I wonder -- Ignacio does ask you to go to Antiva after the blight, and makes it sound like the Crows may be interested in having you join them. That along with the Zevran epilogue makes me wonder if they are planning something of that nature.



I think my whining here has finally cleared up my nerd-angst over the direction of Zevran/the Crows story changing. I still will treat the Origins ending as what happened with them (I just don't see it any other way), but... hmmmmm.



The rest of this conversation has seriously distracted me...

Even if you don't plan to take over the Crows, the Warden and Zevran would have to do something about them at some point. I take the Awakening epilogue as "they went and cracked some Crow skulls until the Crows decided leaving them alone was the best plan, then Zevran and the Warden went on their merry way." I figure the taking over the Crows part would just be an exaggerated rumor for my PCs, since they'd rather not be tied to an organization like the Crows. They'd rather crush them then move on.

EDIT: you can play this game successfully with pretty much any party make-up, so I'd suggest playing with whatever spec you find the most fun, really.

Modifié par senorfuzzylips, 24 mars 2010 - 06:21 .

[jenovan]

Thanks ejoslin, Addai :3 Just wanted some opinions as to whether 2 DWR's was ..... "unbalanced". XD

But yeah, spec'cing them differently sounds like a plan Although it would be hard to pass up Assassin for both of them, tactically and RP-wise.. (he said it would be fun! maybe spec them differently after that...

[Nonvita]

I RP characters' specializations more than trying to complement them, so I ended up with two DW daggers Assassin/Duelist rogues on my CE. And you know what, when I replay it I'll do the same thing. I've never found a character I can willingly make Bard besides Leliana... =P



The epilogue card is a bit strange, and it definitely takes some reconsideration of how things play out. The Warden chasing after Zevran and confronting the Crows is fine- it could work (but darnit Bioware, give us a chance to actually go to Antiva if you do that! XD). Taking over the Crows is *not* fine. There's absolutely no reason for it, and it's completely OOC for both the Warden and Zevran.



ejoslin, interesting notes on the Ignacio talks, and I think it's possible. Then again, that's assuming they even do anything with the original companions later on and don't just throw them by the wayside... Meh, I won't hold my breath. =(

[Sannox]

Oghren .... was a good friend of the character I'd imported. At first it was great to see him again, but I didn't find him quite as likeable in Awakenings. It seemed to be really easy to lose approval with him (while trying to be nice to him), and even though I gave him all the alcohol in the world I never got him to 100. He was about the only one of the lot of us lucky enough to have any sort of family, yet he didn't appreciate it (yes, I know he did, really, but appreciating without showing it isn't good enough). I liked Felsi too.



Towards the end he kept losing little bits of approval and it was starting to wind me up, or wind my character up. He wanted to say 'How dare you disapprove of me?'. I was also upset that he didn't mention Zevran or recognise that I was missing him. And yet he was my only connection to Zevran. So ... mixed feelings.



However, I did end up taking him with me towards the end, instead of Justice. He did quite well. I gave him Champion, because I missed the Loghain warcry, and Guardian talents.

[ejoslin]

senorfuzzylips wrote...

Even if you don't plan to take over the Crows, the Warden and Zevran would have to do something about them at some point. I take the Awakening epilogue as "they went and cracked some Crow skulls until the Crows decided leaving them alone was the best plan, then Zevran and the Warden went on their merry way." I figure the taking over the Crows part would just be an exaggerated rumor for my PCs, since they'd rather not be tied to an organization like the Crows. They'd rather crush them then move on.

Hmmm, you know, since it is all just rumors, even the "chasing" part of the epilogue can be discounted.  Nerd angst even lower at this point.  And that card WOULD be perfect for a Queen-consort (or King-consort).  Ok, I'm curious enough that after I finish this DNF playthrough and do one more CEF playthrough (I'll probably ruin the one I have currently saved at the alienage turning romance flags on and off to test Charsen's mod once he has that in testing), I'll give one of my Queen Cousland's a run through Awakenings.  If she gets the Alistair epilogue, then I know I have to not have a royal scandal in future HNF playthroughs! Though I've already decided not to do that again.  It's a crappy thing to do to everyone!

[Addai]

jenovan wrote...

Thanks ejoslin, Addai :3 Just wanted some opinions as to whether 2 DWR's was ..... "unbalanced". XD

Only from your enemies' perspective!

But yeah, spec'cing them differently sounds like a plan Although it would be hard to pass up Assassin for both of them, tactically and RP-wise.. (he said it would be fun! maybe spec them differently after that...

Yeah, I do take RP considerations into account too.  I like Duelist, though.  People dis it, but I don't know why.  I re-loaded a Loghain duel save on my Dalish elf and she totally kicked his ass.  She had Duelist filled out, and also took Evasion, which is another talent that gets dissed but Loghain was completely cross-eyed in that fight.  Another good thing about Duelist is that it makes your attack so effective that if you combine a Duelist PC with Zevran's assassin abilities, you can take enemies head-on and leave the juicy backstabbing to Z.

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, you know, since it is all just rumors, even the "chasing" part of the epilogue can be discounted.  Nerd angst even lower at this point.  And that card WOULD be perfect for a Queen-consort (or King-consort).  Ok, I'm curious enough that after I finish this DNF playthrough and do one more CEF playthrough (I'll probably ruin the one I have currently saved at the alienage turning romance flags on and off to test Charsen's mod once he has that in testing), I'll give one of my Queen Cousland's a run through Awakenings.  If she gets the Alistair epilogue, then I know I have to not have a royal scandal in future HNF playthroughs! Though I've already decided not to do that again.  It's a crappy thing to do to everyone!

*laughing* How many times have we heard you say that already?

But yeah, here's hoping these "rumors" might get fleshed out more in the future, and that they stay away from the dumb idea of taking over the Crows.

And Charsen, your Shianni mod will work on preexisting characters, correct? If so, I can just load up my CE and test it out right away when it's ready. She's good for playing with romance flags, too. Can't wait!

[TheComfyCat]

...or at least make the decision to take over the Crows or not an RP decision, rather than a plot necessity! Because it would certainly be fun to have an expansion in Antiva with Zev.

[Sannox]

My first rogue ended up as bard/ranger archer, and I went mainly cunning for her and mainly dexterity for Zevran, so they were quite different, I suppose. I got bored with her though, and would end up playing Zevran quite a lot, or Wynne. My pets seemed to keep disappearing when I entered a new area, so if you entered a big fight and had just summoned a pet, it would be on cooldown. I don't know if that's a bug or intended, but it was irritating. I didn't like the look of the pink bard buffs, although I liked yelling, and I liked captivating song. I tend to make Zevran assassin/duellist. It didn't occur to me to make him a bard - I might try that sometime.

[jenovan]

senorfuzzylips wrote...

...or at least make the decision to take over the Crows or not an RP decision, rather than a plot necessity! Because it would certainly be fun to have an expansion in Antiva with Zev.

Yes!  It sounds like a good sort of decision to make DURING the game, not something to be decided for you.  If such a game were to happen, of course.


I specced Zevran as Assassin/Duelist in Origins, but I never got a chance to fill out the Duelist tree.   So, I'm not terribly familiar with the skills there ,but they seemed like they'd be fun.  My archer CE has Ranger and Bard right now -- he still hasn't taken his third, since I want to see what's IN the Shadow spec.  It doesn't sound like something he'd use, though.  I like the Bard skills all right, although having to stand in place to do Captivating Song... boo. XD   Especially if you're one of the main damage-dealers. 

LOL, speaking of Ranger... I know there's a mod to make your Mabari look like a wolf.. is there one to make your Ranger-wolf look like a Mabari?  At least I could pretend he was in Awakenings.

[Sannox]

It does help that it's all 'rumors'. I like to imagine that Zevran had to go to Antiva, and there WAS a letter, but my character never received it. Hence the 'chasing' and the 'showdown'. I have imagined the reunion in two ways, both very passionate - one in which they take over where they left off, and another in which they have that misunderstanding (Zevran staying in Antiva without sending word) to resolve, so their initial meeting is more bitter. I'm not sure about that because the whole Origin romance is so sweet, but then they are only still at the beginning of it when Origins ends, aren't they? And however understanding Zevran is, my character might not be, if he thought he might have left him, or hadn't even sent word that he was OK.

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, you know, since it is all just rumors, even the "chasing" part of the epilogue can be discounted.  Nerd angst even lower at this point.  And that card WOULD be perfect for a Queen-consort (or King-consort).  Ok, I'm curious enough that after I finish this DNF playthrough and do one more CEF playthrough (I'll probably ruin the one I have currently saved at the alienage turning romance flags on and off to test Charsen's mod once he has that in testing), I'll give one of my Queen Cousland's a run through Awakenings.  If she gets the Alistair epilogue, then I know I have to not have a royal scandal in future HNF playthroughs! Though I've already decided not to do that again.  It's a crappy thing to do to everyone!

*laughing* How many times have we heard you say that already?

But yeah, here's hoping these "rumors" might get fleshed out more in the future, and that they stay away from the dumb idea of taking over the Crows.

And Charsen, your Shianni mod will work on preexisting characters, correct? If so, I can just load up my CE and test it out right away when it's ready. She's good for playing with romance flags, too. Can't wait!

My last HNF there was no royal scandal!  Alistair refused to marry her, in fact (he said he hadn't taken THAT many blows to the head when she suggested it -- that's when I learned he has to be at least -25 neutral for a wedding to take place).  The best part about that playthrough, though, was he hit -100 hostile just after he begged her to help him be king and she laughed in his face (well, that's how I imagined it anyway) and saw the absolute meanest line in the game.  But as a general rule, the royal scandal IS mean.  To everyone.  

The elf I transfered into awakenings got a very chilly reception from Alistair, but she was from my other Alistair hate game so I thought that was it.  And he was most unhappy about being king.

Edit: And the showdown doesn't really make clear whether it's a showdown between the two of them, or with the two of them against someone else.  Just that they engaged in a showdown.  I like to think the two of them took on the crows in that showdown.  Again, this is the man who, if left at the gates, says, "In truth, for the chance to be by your side, I'd storm the dark city itself, never doubt it," and if taken with, may say (though you may not get it if you don't tell him you're happy he's there), "By your side I'd storm the gates of the dark city itself.  Do not doubt it."  He jokes about it at the coronation, but also makes it very clear that he's there for the long haul.  He's not just going to up and ditch the warden.  I just can't see THAT at all.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 mars 2010 - 06:47 .

[Charsen]

Nonvita wrote...
And Charsen, your Shianni mod will work on preexisting characters, correct? If so, I can just load up my CE and test it out right away when it's ready. She's good for playing with romance flags, too. Can't wait!

Yes ma'am, it's just a dialogue change and so as long as you have a CE origin it will still trigger. i have also expanded it to work with Alistair, Morrigan and Leliana as well, so all romances will have more engaging responses

Right now i am just tidying up the last of the Zevran responses, plus i want to add a few more random party interjections, but it has to take a slight backseat to classes for a day or so.

Looking at a beta for the weekend 

[Rheia]

Having finished a first Awakening play-through, just wanted to share a laugh:



Somewhere along the epilogue cards there is a mention that your Warden Commander's blade was boldly stolen by Antivan Crows. Had a thought: Zev getting impatient with her being stuck at Amaranthine, perchance?