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[Darkannex]

Im too much a softie-I can't stand to have any character angry at me it nearly broke me to pieces to take Loghain into the party and even as childish as Alistair was...I felt bad :/

[Nonvita]

jenovan wrote...

And those 11 guards he killed!

I also get the impression that he's kind of protecting the Warden, in a way.  Things like how he brings up all of those horrible tortures in Crow training and says they didn't happen to him, or how he tries to brush off what happened to him in the Fade, or the "seven stages of lanthrax poisoning"... he seems loath to go into detail about these gruesome things, like he doesn't want the Warden to dwell on them.  I don't know, though, that's just my immediate response to those dialogues...

"Ignore them like I do and maybe they'll go away." Yeah, it seems like that's something of his intention. He just sees it as pretty pointless looking at the past, so why discuss things that might make the Warden upset when he himself obviously survived and moved on from them? And it's obvious he's still trying to quell the pain he feels from those events, so I'm sure discussing them would bring back up those old scars he tries to ignore.

[SurrealSadi]

That poem is ridiculously bad... I mean, wow.





So, I decided to at least start FFXIII last night(at 3 am)... Oh my god, I got to a boss fight(still early on the in game) and DIED in like 30 seconds. I have never had that much trouble with a boss fight. I've the distinct feeling that I will be restarting that game several times and doing multiple saves trying to NOT screw myself over. Is it supposed to be that...mind-numbingly confusing?



But at least I know I will need Zev-squee tonight to make up for that awful WTF moment.

[TheComfyCat]

ejoslin wrote...

senorfuzzylips wrote...

And yet he chooses to tell you self depreciating and somewhat silly stories when you pry about his past... is he protecting his secrets? Or does he just not want pity from the Warden?

He appreciates sympathy, though.  Maybe he's protecting the warden?

Edit: Probably he's not proud of what he's done in his life.  He's proud of surviving, and of his excellence but the individual jobs?  

But he does tell about a few jobs that were very successful, just doesn't go into details.  The women who told him the poem.  The man he got the earring from.

Second edit: Sometimes "amused" does not match the facial expression.  More often than not, in fact.  Which is interesting -- they're probably going for a different effect.

I think you're probably right in that he wants to protect the Warden. But he might be trying to protect himself a bit, too. He probably appreciates the sympathy because it's not something he expects or is used to...

But I also agree that the facial expressions are definitely not always as "amused" as the VO comments suggest.

And speaking of the facial expressions... the one where he mentions his mother as his "first victim" UGH.

Nonvita wrote...

My guess is both. On the one hand, they're the stories easiest to tell
without really getting into really bad territory. On the other hand he's
so matter-of-fact about them, and the toolset often comments that he's
not expecting sympathy.

It's also possible that for the most
part he doesn't see his jobs as "adventures," so he did his best to come
up with the only ones that would qualify. I mean, the story about the
prince he barely even took part in, so it does sound like he was
stretching for interesting stories.

I suppose it might also be that he'd rather tell you about tales where he wasn't sneaking around, double crossing people to get close to a target, building up lust or false affections, then killing them... but you're right, the ones he tells are more "adventures," whereas the other ones might be more in the "sordid past" category...

[ejoslin]

Darkannex, on a PC, there are two magic keys. f5 f9. Hit f5, get the mean responses. Find out that Zevran really DID just propose, whatever. Hit f9, and get even more squee because you know how it goes if you don't do that!



Zevran in love breakups... Something to be seen once. The most horrible one, for me, is if you break up with him when getting married to Alistair/Anora. He is so sweet there. His heart is broken, but his main concern is making the warden feel better about it. Just ugh. Well, I don't know. Maybe telling him a proposal is too much. And you can see his soul being torn to shreds.



It may be the differences in the breakups that makes it far easier for me to break up with Alistair in those games where I romance both. Because, really, I think a Zevran breakup while he's still at Adore is far more painful to see than an Alistair breakup at any stage. Though they are both sweet about it.



Leliana is so mean about it, it's easy for me! Though she does apologize for it later

[Nonvita]

From what my boyfriend was telling me, you have to grind *a lot* in FFXIII to make sure you're geared up or whatever for the bosses. And you have to try out different party configurations for the different enemies. I don't know myself how it all works, though.

[SurrealSadi]

Ugh. Well, I'm used to grinding in specific FF games. thankfully you can get by in one of them without leveling beyond like, lvl 10 or so(Thank you, FF8). And this fight was like, 20 minutes into chapter 3! I'd played for 4 1/2 hrs to get my ass kicked in 30 seconds??

[Darkannex]

Even with F9-it still haunts me! LOL.

To this day I won't ever fight Loghain, I make Ali do it-becaue I'd let him go and lose Alistair. And as much as I want to slap Alistair and hate on him for being a hypocritical child-I can't do it.



The same with Zev. I can't get him mad at me. I try, but I can't click the words. Hell, I can't even get Wynn properly angry at me-and I don't LIKE her.

[ejoslin]

senorfuzzylips wrote...

I think you're probably right in that he wants to protect the Warden. But he might be trying to protect himself a bit, too. He probably appreciates the sympathy because it's not something he expects or is used to...

But I also agree that the facial expressions are definitely not always as "amused" as the VO comments suggest.

And speaking of the facial expressions... the one where he mentions his mother as his "first victim" UGH.

I suppose it might also be that he'd rather tell you about tales where he wasn't sneaking around, double crossing people to get close to a target, building up lust or false affections, then killing them... but you're right, the ones he tells are more "adventures," whereas the other ones might be more in the "sordid past" category...

The Dalish story is a great example where his facial expressions do not match the VO comments, but it makes the story so much more effective.  It would be easy for that story to sound like a bunch of whining, but since the voice is matter of fact, it's the facial expressions that let the pain show WITHOUT it sounding like whining.

And you may be right -- he may not want to talk about that.  BUT those two stories, the poem and the earring, he most definitely let the warden know he used sex to get those.  Actually, it's kind of fitting that he gives them to the warden.  They obviously both had meaning to him.

The VO comments for the poetry reading kill me, they're so funny!

Zevran: "Songs of hot breath upon my neck / songs of soft sighs by my head / songs of nails upon my back / songs of thee come to my bed." (his best poetry recitation voice -- this is romantic stuff)

Edit: The poor man is so good at seduction, and so BAD at romancing, and he knows it!  That probably was the most romantic thing he could think of!

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 mars 2010 - 12:58 .

[Nonvita]

senorfuzzylips wrote...

I suppose it might also be that he'd rather tell you about tales where he wasn't sneaking around, double crossing people to get close to a target, building up lust or false affections, then killing them... but you're right, the ones he tells are more "adventures," whereas the other ones might be more in the "sordid past" category...

Yeah, I just think that since the Warden asked for "adventures" he's not going to go talking about the specifics of seduction and slicing people's throats, etc. He approaches those topics in other conversations, but his adventure stories seem of a different type than those.

It's strange, because he obviously remembers very specific details about all of his encounters, yet he'll only give hints to just how much he remembers. He's definitely hiding things, and it seems to be partly to spare himself the emotional pain and partly to spare the Warden from getting upset or worried.


And yeah, I agree that his facial expressions paint a different story than the notes. If anything, it's interesting to see the character progression- even just the way the lines are said can bring new depth to his character. I think they did an amazing job finding the balance between him being "amused" and when you can tell he's getting irritated, etc.

And definitely agreed on the poem! Ahhh it cracks me up. XD

Modifié par Nonvita, 25 mars 2010 - 01:02 .

[sami jo]

I'm not sure if Zev is protecting the Warden as much as he doesn't want the Warden to think poorly about him; or if the Warden disapproves, have it be about something like his sexual antics. He seems relatively inured to criticism on that subject, or at least is used to it. He seems extraordinarily sensitive to criticism from the Warden, while he shrugs off all the nastiness from the other companions; and the other companions are generally pretty rough on him.

[ejoslin]

I think Zevran sees a kindred in the Warden, though, which is why he would be more sensitive. The other companions, he can easily brush off; the warden, not so much so. And I'm sure you're right, he doesn't want the warden to think badly of him, for many reasons.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 mars 2010 - 01:12 .

[Raiynsong]

******* CAUTION EVERYONE!**********



I went to a website that was listed earlier in this forum to download a mod (wasn't nexus site) and ended up with a HUGE amount of porn trojans and malware which I am now TRYING to get rid of (thankfully I have a laptop to help me search for cleanup solutions).



I'm not accusing anyone here---but I clicked on SOMETHING on that page that brought me a lot of Grief!!! It's smart enough to turn off your firewall and scanner before it downloads all the crap onto your machine. Wish me luick getting it all off



I'm ANGRY AND PISSED AND FEEL ABSOLTELY VIOLATED!!!! I don't want this to happen to any of you good folks so BE CAREFUL!!!

[SurrealSadi]

Yikes! Oh no, Raiyn, I hope you can get them cleared off! Ad-Aware, Spybot, and we use AVG as our Anti-virus, are our best friends here at home.



This is also why I am wary of links sometimes.

[Darkannex]

Raiyn, I work tech support. For Malware removal I recommend Malwarebytes anti malware and Antispyware. They are both very good removal tools.

Malwarebytes : http://www.malwarebytes.org/

SuperAnti: http://www.superantispyware.com/

Modifié par Darkannex, 25 mars 2010 - 01:21 .

[ejoslin]

I put in another vote for Malwarebytes.org. Amazing products; freeware, but worth paying them for the commercial product because it owns hard. Hopefully you can download the most current data base (some trojans now block them).

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 mars 2010 - 01:20 .

[Charsen]

...Which link was it? =/

[Darkannex]

There are workarounds to that-and I know that Mbam has a manual updater. Worst case scenario you can kill the processes that are blocking the pc and run it that way.

you can go to start/run/ and type in msconfig. Then look and see what you have running. If there is anything that doesn't have a name in it-or has something odd - you might have found it. I'd do a search (google) on the process first so you don't kill something valid.
There's always safeboot too.

I recommended superanti as well merely because sometimes what mbam can miss, super will grab. We've had tons of virus issues in Fedex recently. 

Modifié par Darkannex, 25 mars 2010 - 01:23 .

[TheComfyCat]

That sucks, Raiynsong It's such a hassle to deal with that stuff.

ejoslin wrote...

The Dalish story is a great example where his facial expressions do not match the VO comments, but it makes the story so much more effective.  It would be easy for that story to sound like a bunch of whining, but since the voice is matter of fact, it's the facial expressions that let the pain show WITHOUT it sounding like whining.

And you may be right -- he may not want to talk about that.  BUT those two stories, the poem and the earring, he most definitely let the warden know he used sex to get those.  Actually, it's kind of fitting that he gives them to the warden.  They obviously both had meaning to him.

The VO comments for the poetry reading kill me, they're so funny!

Zevran: "Songs of hot breath upon my neck / songs of soft sighs by my head / songs of nails upon my back / songs of thee come to my bed." (his best poetry recitation voice -- this is romantic stuff)

Edit: The poor man is so good at seduction, and so BAD at romancing, and he knows it!  That probably was the most romantic thing he could think of!

It's definitely interesting that he chooses to share those two stories (earring and poem)... it seems like they're times when his strict line between sex and emotions were blurred a bit. Well, meaning at least that those were important moments in his past that involved sex and he feels worth sharing with a Warden he loves or cares about.

And LOL at his awkward poem... maybe him an Al should swap tips sometime. Actually, on second thought, maybe that would just make things worse...

Nonvita wrote...

*snip snip*

It's strange, because he obviously remembers very specific details about
all of his encounters, yet he'll only give hints to just how much he
remembers. He's definitely hiding things, and it seems to be partly to
spare himself the emotional pain and partly to spare the Warden from
getting upset or worried.

Yeah, and it's interesting that he seems inclined to hide things related to his own personal pain, while he seems so up front about things that might make the Warden dislike him... like when he talks about enjoying the act of killing... which, psychologically speaking, makes sense. People that have been controlled or abused can sometimes turn to violence in order to (finally) feel powerful and in control themselves. Of course, Zev doesn't really have a choice either way.

sami jo wrote...
I'm not sure if Zev is protecting the Warden as much as he doesn't want
the Warden to think poorly about him; or if the Warden disapproves, have
it be about something like his sexual antics. He seems relatively
inured to criticism on that subject, or at least is used to it. He
seems extraordinarily sensitive to criticism from the Warden, while he
shrugs off all the nastiness from the other companions; and the other
companions are generally pretty rough on him.

I'm not sure that Zevran would want to mince words to get more respect from the Warden... I think he's upfront a lot of the time because he doesn't want to misrepresent who he really is. He's always struck me as a "this is me, like me or hate me" kind of person. Though you're right, he is certainly hurt more by the Warden's criticism than anyone else's. But then, he's leaving himself more open with the Warden, and deflecting most everyone else.

I do think, like you say, that he might prefer criticism about his sexual antics, and tries to move things in that direction if he becomes uncomfortable, though.

Modifié par senorfuzzylips, 25 mars 2010 - 01:32 .

[Charsen]

In addition the what the others suggested, AVG is free and good.

Plus, just in case... use Firefox with NoScript, AdBlock, FlashBlock, etc.

Or Chrome with AdBlock.

Under no circumstances should anyone use IE. It's not safe. Period.

[sami jo]

:-( That's awful Rainsong. Good luck!

[Cuddlezarro]

the noscript addon for firefox is a godsend

[MorGothic]

Darkannex wrote...

Raiyn, I work tech support. For Malware removal I recommend Malwarebytes anti malware and Antispyware. They are both very good removal tools.

Got any accomendation for anti virus? I was using AVG but it causes problems by blocking ports and having components you can't disable even with kill processes in task manger...

I tried Avast but found its free version to be stupidly slow.

I'm usually good at this but everyone seems to recommend AVG or Avast.

I am currently using Windows Defender but I trust it to find viruses as about as much as I'd trust Windows Firewall to protect my system... 

Charsen wrote...

In addition the what the others
suggested, AVG is free and good.
Plus, just in case... use Firefox
with NoScript, AdBlock, FlashBlock, etc.
Or Chrome with AdBlock.
Under
no circumstances should anyone use IE. It's not safe. Period.

This.

(I liked AVG bar it's stupid port blocking:pinched:)

Modifié par MorGothic, 25 mars 2010 - 01:33 .

[Raiynsong]

thanks so far I have 23 files quarantined and it's only 23% done

I thought I had adequate protection use chrome. need better software I guess

[sami jo]

Raiynsong wrote...

thanks so far I have 23 files quarantined and it's only 23% done
I thought I had adequate protection use chrome. need better software I guess

A question, because I got nailed by this one last week... you didn't happen to get the warning about all of these infections from a program called Antivirus Vista or Win7Antispyware 2010, did you? If so, the supposed antispyware program is actually the virus.  I acquired it when I clicked on a photo share site linked through here.  It is a beast to get rid of and it looks like a valid part of the Windows firewall when it boots up.