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[Addai]

Your loss. LOL



My current elf mage is so conflicted- she likes Alistair and he keeps rejecting her (as she perceives his freak-out over her handling of Isolde and because he wouldn't go to the tent with her). He's driving her into Zevran's arms. Which is a safe place to fall, of course! As the game irony would have it...

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

Your loss. LOL

My current elf mage is so conflicted- she likes Alistair and he keeps rejecting her (as she perceives his freak-out over her handling of Isolde and because he wouldn't go to the tent with her). He's driving her into Zevran's arms. Which is a safe place to fall, of course! As the game irony would have it...

My current one is a city elf who hates all human males.  And the one human male at the camp returns her feelings -- I did have to see what he said at 100 hostile, and it is NOT pretty!  Ferelden is already a darker place because of her (Redcliff is nothing but a ghost town), but as time goes by, she's not feeling quite as vengeful.  

She started a flirtation with Leliana, which is now a full blown love affair as well as a fling with Zevran.  She did have the four way (FINALLY got around to that), but it's hard keeping Zevran's approval low enough to continue with both of them.  She may side with the dragon cult, which will solve that problem, I suppose.

I'm not sure I'll be able to finish this.  it is really depressing.  

[Creature 1]

ejoslin wrote...
I'm not sure I'll be able to finish this.  it is really depressing.  

  Maybe you should put that character on the back burner. 

My elf characters can't get involved with Leliana.  Her comments about elves are a turnoff. 

I haven't romanced her at all yet, poor Lel. 

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
I'm not sure I'll be able to finish this.  it is really depressing.  

  Maybe you should put that character on the back burner. 

My elf characters can't get involved with Leliana.  Her comments about elves are a turnoff. 

I haven't romanced her at all yet, poor Lel. 

Romancing her is actually just as easy as romancing Zevran, as far as getting her approval up.  And Alistair has nothing on her as far as the pretty words go.  I had her at 100 love at about the same time as I had Alistair at 100 hostile.  I'm not feeling it, though, so that may be a big part of why this character is feeling so flat.

Being yelled at by Bann Teagan has got to be the low point of this game for me.  Ugh.

[jenovan]

Creature 1 wrote...

My elf characters can't get involved with Leliana.  Her comments about elves are a turnoff. 

Seriously! I wanted to slap her after her questions/comments about living in the Alienage!   It was one of the few times my PC said some of the meaner things he can say. ;D


Zevran squee for the day: I just fought Flemeth and Zevran got the slo-mo kill!   It was amazing and I screencapped like mad. 

[ejoslin]

Heh, her racist comments just didn't bug my city elf. She [Leliana] realized what an idiot she was being which was more than most humans my PC encountered did. Even Daveth made a comment, but she still liked him. But yes, that character is on theback burner for now. I am curious how the epilogue will turn out, but I can't take playing that way in large doses.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 janvier 2010 - 02:38 .

[TheTaraNator]

I just can't bear to do more than have a quick toss in the hay with Zevron because it feels as though my character is cheating on Alistair. Isn't that silly? Also, I don't really see his appeal, myself. Give me tall, charming, and awkward over suave and smooth any day.



However, that leather fetish is pretty awesome.... ;-D

[ejoslin]

TheTaraNator wrote...

I just can't bear to do more than have a quick toss in the hay with Zevron because it feels as though my character is cheating on Alistair. Isn't that silly? Also, I don't really see his appeal, myself. Give me tall, charming, and awkward over suave and smooth any day.

However, that leather fetish is pretty awesome.... ;-D

You know, I always end up dumping Alistair for Zevran.  You should try the romance at least once.  It doesn't end until later in the game, but it is amazing.  Sure, you can keep it shallow . . . until, of course, you can't.  There are people who think the Zevran romance ends before it actually does, usually because they're romancing both Alistair and Zevran so they can't talk to either, making them miss the final few dialogs.

I myself kind of like faithful and devoted, especially if it comes with sex that keeps half the companions up all night -- the selfish kind of love that Wynne warns against!

But no, it's not silly feeling like you're not being faithful.  The game really is good at pulling people in and many people end up genuinely caring about whom they romance.  Alistair has broken many hearts -- there used to be a lot of posts of women complaining about just that.  I think it's amazing that a video game can evoke those types of emotions!

[Addai]

jenovan wrote...
Zevran squee for the day: I just fought Flemeth and Zevran got the slo-mo kill!   It was amazing and I screencapped like mad. 

*sigh*  I admit to doing this, i.e. letting my game romance get the slo-mo.  We need help, people!!

[Addai]

TheTaraNator wrote...

I just can't bear to do more than have a quick toss in the hay with Zevron because it feels as though my character is cheating on Alistair. Isn't that silly? Also, I don't really see his appeal, myself. Give me tall, charming, and awkward over suave and smooth any day.

All of my characters but the last one (city elf) have trouble keeping their hands off Alistair.  *shakes fist at David Gaider and Steve Valentine*

But really, the Zevran romance is so worth taking it to the end.  The two romance stories are in many ways the opposite of what they appear at first to be.  And Zevran certainly is awkward, too, (!!!) you just have to get him at the right moments.

As an aside, does any bright bulb know why my posts put so much space in for my line breaks?  I'm just typing normal paragraphs but it puts like three or four lines of space in between.  (Edit:  It seems not to do it in this post.)

Modifié par Addai67, 24 janvier 2010 - 03:45 .

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

TheTaraNator wrote...

I just can't bear to do more than have a quick toss in the hay with Zevron because it feels as though my character is cheating on Alistair. Isn't that silly? Also, I don't really see his appeal, myself. Give me tall, charming, and awkward over suave and smooth any day.

All of my characters but the last one (city elf) have trouble keeping their hands off Alistair.  *shakes fist at David Gaider and Steve Valentine*

But really, the Zevran romance is so worth taking it to the end.  The two romance stories are in many ways the opposite of what they appear at first to be.  And Zevran certainly is awkward, too, (!!!) you just have to get him at the right moments.

As an aside, does any bright bulb know why my posts put so much space in for my line breaks?  I'm just typing normal paragraphs but it puts like three or four lines of space in between.  (Edit:  It seems not to do it in this post.)

It's the emoticons that cause the spaces.

[TheTaraNator]

Addai67 wrote...

As an aside, does any bright bulb know why my posts put so much space in for my line breaks?  I'm just typing normal paragraphs but it puts like three or four lines of space in between.  (Edit:  It seems not to do it in this post.)

LOL, they had to prove you wrong, eh? 

I'll have to check out the complete romance with Zev. My city elf is pretty interested in him. So, it turns out differently than it would seem?

[ejoslin]

TheTaraNator wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

As an aside, does any bright bulb know why my posts put so much space in for my line breaks?  I'm just typing normal paragraphs but it puts like three or four lines of space in between.  (Edit:  It seems not to do it in this post.)

LOL, they had to prove you wrong, eh? 

I'll have to check out the complete romance with Zev. My city elf is pretty interested in him. So, it turns out differently than it would seem?

Way different.  There's a reason there are so many devoted Zevran fan girls.

[TheTaraNator]

ejoslin wrote...


But no, it's not silly feeling like you're not being faithful.  The game really is good at pulling people in and many people end up genuinely caring about whom they romance.  Alistair has broken many hearts -- there used to be a lot of posts of women complaining about just that.  I think it's amazing that a video game can evoke those types of emotions!

I've not been this into a game since KOTOR and my adoration for Carth Onassi....haha. ME was great, but none of the romancee's (is that a word?) were very interesting IMO. So, I'm really enjoying DA.

[jenovan]

Addai67 wrote...

jenovan wrote...
Zevran squee for the day: I just fought Flemeth and Zevran got the slo-mo kill!   It was amazing and I screencapped like mad. 

*sigh*  I admit to doing this, i.e. letting my game romance get the slo-mo.  We need help, people!!

*giggle* I didn't even think about doing it intentionally (tho I must remember that for other fights..)... Poor Alistair is on the ground like "WTF!" in some of the pictures XD


As for the line-breaks, it just seems like the WYSIWYG editor throws them in double-time every now and again.. more often then not, actually..  And every so often I'll have it not put any line breaks in at all!  (Even the ones I , y'know, meant to put in!)  Not sure what exactly triggers one or the other, but it's a bit tetchy.

[Addai]

TheTaraNator wrote...

I'll have to check out the complete romance with Zev. My city elf is pretty interested in him. So, it turns out differently than it would seem?

It's still not a Harlequin romance, but I say that in a complimentary way.  You could read the thread, though you'll get lots of spoilers if you do.  But these 47 pages are mostly about what people like about it, so take from that what you will.  I consider it a hidden gem in the game, because it seems that many people take Zevran at face value, miss the clues early on that hint at the depths to his character, and/or never stick with it long enough to see them develop.  I certainly did on my first few characters.

Those extra breaks seemed to come in posts even without emoticons, but oh well.  One of the mysteries.

Modifié par Addai67, 24 janvier 2010 - 04:03 .

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...
But no, it's not silly feeling like you're not being faithful.  The game really is good at pulling people in and many people end up genuinely caring about whom they romance.  Alistair has broken many hearts -- there used to be a lot of posts of women complaining about just that.  I think it's amazing that a video game can evoke those types of emotions!

It really is impressive...

My PC's spent most of the game so far not caring a whole lot about Morrigan, because he's been suspicious of her, but when he finished her personal quest, she talked about falling for him, and it seemed to be quite honest and rather touching.. she'd never had a friend before and all that.  And then she sort of brought up romance, and immediately stepped back saying "but there's someone else (that being Zevran, natch), I understand." She looked so sad!  That single conversation has totally changed my opinion of her.   ...for now. ;D

Modifié par jenovan, 24 janvier 2010 - 04:09 .

[Sabriana]

Zevran did that for my PC with the Broodmother. Jumped right on top of her head and delivered the killing blow. That was the first time I've seen that done, and it was rather fun watching him.

Morrigan is an interesting character, and also gets judged and labeled far too quickly, far too often. Her facial expression when my PC told her that she (PC) loves her mother was heart-breaking.

The spacing thing is from my observation that in the quick reply you get a single space in the post after hitting 'enter', but shows up as double space when you leave a single empty line.

Like this. Of course, you can't see the single space line while typing. For some reason.

When the post is quoted, then the spacing line disappears. Also for some reason not known to humankind.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Most of my characters are female, for the reason that I find Alistair far less tedious than Morrigan. That said, I am not sure how I feel about Zevran. I have never finished his quest, so I don't have the insights on him that I might--but I must say that I have always gotten the "sleaze" vibe from him. That may simply be because I'm a guy, I can't really say.



My favorite characters until now have been my human nobles, who have steadfastly refused all of his advances. My current character, the Tevinter mage pictured in my icon, has taken a different tack: she accepts Zevran for what he is, because the idea of an elven slave doing her bidding is not at all foreign.



Because of that, though, she's agreed to keep it completely casual and has treated Zevran as an inferior. It's what fits the character, but it's also prevented me from seeing if there's more to him or not.



I think it's fascinating that the personality of the PC can actually have a huge influence on how we perceive the party members.

[Sabriana]

If you are really interested about the depth that Zevran can go to if allowed, read the thread. It offers up great insight.

Take you time, I know it's a huge thread, but it's worth it if you are truly interested. My girls (except my poor first PC) romanced Zevran, and he's the most loyal companion there is, besides the dog.

I just had Zevran pull my PC over and give her the "it's him or me, and if we can't be in a monogamous relationship, I'm ending it here and now."

Well, those aren't the words, but it covers their meaning. The actual words are far more intense. Anyway, I must've picked all the right dialogue options, because my HN didn't lose any approval with Alistair right off the bat, although he changed from 'adore' (or was it 'care'? I don't remember, but Alistair was in the high 80's) to 'friendly.

Back at camp, I also must've picked all the right choices, informing Alistair that Zevran was my PCs chosen. Imagine my surprise when she actually got a +2 approval from Alistair for the break-up.

You won't get approval from Zevran for breaking up/him breaking it up. You get a huge disapproval, depending on your choices. It can go to -20.

[Emperor Iaius I]

I may consider it, though it is lengthy. He's the only character--aside from Oghren, I suppose--whose veil I haven't quite pierced. I might do it, if only to help with writing him for my fanfic.

[ejoslin]

I have a thought about why the "it would be hard to kiss you if you left" selection causes Zevran to never fall in love -- and I now believe it is completely not a bug.

At that point, it's the turning point. You can either have him stay or go, become a friend or fall in love completely. But until that point, it's been understood to be a casual, non-committed relationship. What if the PC only wants that? What if he or she hasn't fallen in love but has really enjoyed the sex and wants it to keep going? What if the PC really only wants him around for kissing (and more)?

If after that point you try to keep it casual but physical, you lose him. He also won't go to the tent if you're just friends.

I definitely think it's not a bug. Especially since it ends all dialog choices. If the PC is happy where they are in the relationship, then it does end there. A wonderful, intense, physical only one.

Edit: Especially since he did promise he'd only ask of her what she was willing to give.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 janvier 2010 - 01:07 .

[Sabriana]

I've never tried that, but doesn't he stay at 'adore' in perpetuity after the 'kiss' option? Meaning that he will go to the tent, but it will never be more than that, and love will not become an option?

I tried that option, but re-loaded, and it was so long ago that I don't remember if he turns to 'friend' or simply stays at 'adore'.

Btw, I never thought it a bug per se, but it could be a somewhat misleading option for the PC. Like with everything else, the 'kiss' option could also mean that the PC wouldn't have anyone to kiss because he's the one and only. Although I don't know how the writer could bring the 'physical only' point home in a better way.

Thank goodness for the 'reload'

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

I've never tried that, but doesn't he stay at 'adore' in perpetuity after the 'kiss' option? Meaning that he will go to the tent, but it will never be more than that, and love will not become an option?
I tried that option, but re-loaded, and it was so long ago that I don't remember if he turns to 'friend' or simply stays at 'adore'.
Btw, I never thought it a bug per se, but it could be a somewhat misleading option for the PC. Like with everything else, the 'kiss' option could also mean that the PC wouldn't have anyone to kiss because he's the one and only. Although I don't know how the writer could bring the 'physical only' point home in a better way.
Thank goodness for the 'reload'

That's the point, it stays at adore.  He won't go to the tent at friendly, and he won't accept a casual relationship at love.  You get no declaration of feelings, you get no commitment of friendship or more either.  He and the PC just go on as they were.

And while I agree it could be misleading, I actually took it as keeping it shallow, as did quite a few guys who commented on it.  All the rest of the choices were saying how she wanted him to stay with her or wanted him to go or wanted him to choose whether to stay or go (though he obviously wanted to be asked to stay).  And that kiss just struck me as sad for him; a what-might-have-been.

And I agree, reload is my friend in this game.  

Edit: And in fact, that dialog choice is buried deeply, with the PC telling Zevran twice that it was all his choice whether he stayed or went, which could be taken as, "I don't care if you stay or go."  

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 janvier 2010 - 01:34 .

[Sabriana]

Ah, I think I misunderstood you then. I thought he snapped to 'friendly' later on. Which I wouldn't have seen because of reloading.

My PC is now ready for the landsmeet. When she gets to Denerim, I'll try that option again, but this time I'll pay close attention to his face when he kisses her.

And then I'll reload



I'm such a slow player, darnit. I already planned my next char, and you, Ejoslin are solely to blame. She'll be a warrior, even though I don't like that spec very much in other RP games. I guess I better go and get the lock-bashing mod. Those chests mock me, and need to be bashed, lol.

However, there's something quite interesting about a shield-bashing, sword-swinging, plate-wearing female warrior and the rogue who falls for her, heh.