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Ah, I think I misunderstood you then. I thought he snapped to 'friendly' later on. Which I wouldn't have seen because of reloading.
My PC is now ready for the landsmeet. When she gets to Denerim, I'll try that option again, but this time I'll pay close attention to his face when he kisses her.
And then I'll reload :)

I'm such a slow player, darnit. I already planned my next char, and you, Ejoslin are solely to blame. She'll be a warrior, even though I don't like that spec very much in other RP games. I guess I better go and get the lock-bashing mod. Those chests mock me, and need to be bashed, lol.
However, there's something quite interesting about a shield-bashing, sword-swinging, plate-wearing female warrior and the rogue who falls for her, heh.


I'm not sure his face is any different from the standard kiss -- the whole thing just struck me as very sad.  But that may just be because it seemed to me that the PC was stopping things from going further, and he could easily have fallen in love.  You lose so much when you go that route with him, but if that's all the PC wants, then it's good that that is an option.

There are definitely advantages to playing a warrior -- since everyone but Alistair is DPS, when you take the role of either tank or healer, you have a bit more flexibility of who's in your party.  This time around I have a rogue, and Zevran is with me always, but I had to respec Sten to be my tank.  And I can't bring along dog. 

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Well he wasnt hitting on me much because I killed him :)

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ejoslin wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Ah, I think I misunderstood you then. I thought he snapped to 'friendly' later on. Which I wouldn't have seen because of reloading.
My PC is now ready for the landsmeet. When she gets to Denerim, I'll try that option again, but this time I'll pay close attention to his face when he kisses her.
And then I'll reload :)

I'm such a slow player, darnit. I already planned my next char, and you, Ejoslin are solely to blame. She'll be a warrior, even though I don't like that spec very much in other RP games. I guess I better go and get the lock-bashing mod. Those chests mock me, and need to be bashed, lol.
However, there's something quite interesting about a shield-bashing, sword-swinging, plate-wearing female warrior and the rogue who falls for her, heh.


I'm not sure his face is any different from the standard kiss -- the whole thing just struck me as very sad.  But that may just be because it seemed to me that the PC was stopping things from going further, and he could easily have fallen in love.  You lose so much when you go that route with him, but if that's all the PC wants, then it's good that that is an option.

There are definitely advantages to playing a warrior -- since everyone but Alistair is DPS, when you take the role of either tank or healer, you have a bit more flexibility of who's in your party.  This time around I have a rogue, and Zevran is with me always, but I had to respec Sten to be my tank.  And I can't bring along dog. 


Yeah, it is sad. I think he already is as much as in love, but won't act on it because he promised the PC that it'll be her decision. But F9 is my friend now, and this time I did pick "I think of you as a friend too." I totally agree with you, that line should also be in "i think of you as more than a friend." I even think his answer is better suited to the 'more than a friend' line. I got the codex entry and everything.  Very nice.

I've no clue how to build a warrior, though. I don't use Alistair that much, and I don't want a 2h warrior a la Sten and Oghren. I checked several sites, but they excel in contradicting one another, so that didn't help much, and neither did the DA wiki. With Alilstair, I use strength, dex, and a bit of constitution, but I also want my warrior to have a bit more cunning. Sigh.

Oh, and why can't you use dog? I use him often early on. Later he's a bit underwhelming. I want dog as a free companion! (I just thought I throw that in ;))

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Yeah, it is sad. I think he already is as much as in love, but won't act on it because he promised the PC that it'll be her decision. But F9 is my friend now, and this time I did pick "I think of you as a friend too." I totally agree with you, that line should also be in "i think of you as more than a friend." I even think his answer is better suited to the 'more than a friend' line. I got the codex entry and everything.  Very nice.

I've no clue how to build a warrior, though. I don't use Alistair that much, and I don't want a 2h warrior a la Sten and Oghren. I checked several sites, but they excel in contradicting one another, so that didn't help much, and neither did the DA wiki. With Alilstair, I use strength, dex, and a bit of constitution, but I also want my warrior to have a bit more cunning. Sigh.

Oh, and why can't you use dog? I use him often early on. Later he's a bit underwhelming. I want dog as a free companion! (I just thought I throw that in ;))


It's amazing how many people don't ever see the "I'm with you until the end" dialog because of that -- it's too bad, because it's one of his best dialogs. I guess he is still confused over his feelings, but the friendship is something he isn't confused about.

When I play a warrior, I usually just do a DW as I think 2h is SLOW and sword and board pretty underwhelming.  As long as you have decent dex, it works out well for tanking or for DPS.  I normally have tank/mage (controller)/dps/dps -- so when playing a rogue, the two dps slots are PC and Zevran.  And I really like having dog helping control!

I've been thinking about the whole Zevran referring to Taliesen as a friend and then later telling the PC that in the crows they didn't have friends (/wave Creature 1).  The Taliesen encounter was very much a turning point, not only if he falls in love or not, but realizing what friendship really is.  As loyal as he is to the PC, the PC is to him as well.  That would be completely new to him.

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Oooh... finally talked to Ignacio yesterday (with Zevran along, of course ;D). What a fascinating exchange. XD (Although I wish there had been a "Don't talk to him like that!" dialog choice after Ignacio called Zevran "****son"! >:( )



More seriously, it would have been interesting to see some special dialog with Zevran after that about whether or not taking those jobs was a good idea, what Ignacio meant by "You're Taliesen's responsibility" (of course we find out LATER, but wouldn't you be kind of curious now?...), and so on.





Also got a bit of immersion-breaking... somehow, despite having that "we can only be friends" chat with Morrigan, her romance must have gotten turned on at some point, because Zevran gave my PC the "you have to choose" talk. :o I was so nervous! XD But anyway, after the PC picked him, he recited his horrible poem... which he'd already done once he hit Adore, quite a while ago. That prooobably shouldn't happen...

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jenovan wrote...

Oooh... finally talked to Ignacio yesterday (with Zevran along, of course ;D). What a fascinating exchange. XD (Although I wish there had been a "Don't talk to him like that!" dialog choice after Ignacio called Zevran "****son"! >:( )

More seriously, it would have been interesting to see some special dialog with Zevran after that about whether or not taking those jobs was a good idea, what Ignacio meant by "You're Taliesen's responsibility" (of course we find out LATER, but wouldn't you be kind of curious now?...), and so on.


Also got a bit of immersion-breaking... somehow, despite having that "we can only be friends" chat with Morrigan, her romance must have gotten turned on at some point, because Zevran gave my PC the "you have to choose" talk. :o I was so nervous! XD But anyway, after the PC picked him, he recited his horrible poem... which he'd already done once he hit Adore, quite a while ago. That prooobably shouldn't happen...


Oh, yes, I agree.  It happens with Alistair and his kiss too -- if you chose him, it's like he's kissing you for the first time.  Even if you've been having sex for months!  I also learned if you're going to dump someone, talk to the person whom you're going to stay with first.  They don't take it well, whomever it is, if they hear it from the PC first.

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jenovan wrote...

Oooh... finally talked to Ignacio yesterday (with Zevran along, of course ;D). What a fascinating exchange. XD (Although I wish there had been a "Don't talk to him like that!" dialog choice after Ignacio called Zevran "****son"! >:( )

Me too.  I was like, "Can I punch him??"  I guess Zevran wanted to let it slide, though.  

More seriously, it would have been interesting to see some special dialog with Zevran after that about whether or not taking those jobs was a good idea, what Ignacio meant by "You're Taliesen's responsibility" (of course we find out LATER, but wouldn't you be kind of curious now?...), and so on.

I agree.  There also should be a "maybe we should kill him in case he reports you're alive" conversation. 

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jenovan wrote...
Oooh... finally talked to Ignacio yesterday (with Zevran along, of course ;D). What a fascinating exchange.


Oh, and does this mean we can expect a fic update??  :D

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I agree.  There also should be a "maybe we should kill him in case he reports you're alive" conversation. 

Oh yeah, definitely!  Or an ultimatum to Ignacio from the PC about it -- that crossed my mind as well.  ... not that it would help... ;D

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Oh, and does this mean we can expect a fic update??  Posted Image 

Well... not about that... yet ;D
(Actually, Knot 7 will have virtually no game material at all, which is a nice change... XD;; )

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When I play a warrior, I usually just do a DW as I think 2h is SLOW and sword and board pretty underwhelming.  As long as you have decent dex, it works out well for tanking or for DPS.  I normally have tank/mage (controller)/dps/dps -- so when playing a rogue, the two dps slots are PC and Zevran.  And I really like having dog helping control!

I do this, as well- I'm pretty devoted to DW and think you can tank very adequately.   I actually think a rogue can even make a good tank by later in the game, if you are willing to invest in some Con points.  The defensive skills and dexterity mean you just don't get hit.  Then again, I prefer all my characters to be more generalists and scrappers than to play purely defined party roles.  And Dog FTW!

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Oh, more Zevran squee for today. Well, actually, it's about the way the Taliesen encounter ends (yet again). When he tells the PC he'll stay because he swore an oath of loyalty, and saving the world seems like a worthy goal, it seems like he is not staying because of the PC. However, a dumped Zevran says something completely different of that oath. He asks to leave if the PC has dumped him.

Zevran: There is a freedom awaiting me that I never have known. But I suppose the decision is yours. Will you let me go?
PC: You made an oath. I think you should keep it.
Zevran: Ahhh, yes, well . . . oaths are fine and well when you're facing death at the hands of someone you do not even know. Surely we have come further than that?

He still will stay after this dialog either with a persuade check or if you ask him to stay as a friend, but obviously, it's not his oath that is really keeping him there. That is, if you had any doubts to begin with!

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ejoslin wrote...

Oh, more Zevran squee for today. Well, actually, it's about the way the Taliesen encounter ends (yet again). When he tells the PC he'll stay because he swore an oath of loyalty, and saving the world seems like a worthy goal, it seems like he is not staying because of the PC. However, a dumped Zevran says something completely different of that oath. He asks to leave if the PC has dumped him.

Zevran: There is a freedom awaiting me that I never have known. But I suppose the decision is yours. Will you let me go?
PC: You made an oath. I think you should keep it.
Zevran: Ahhh, yes, well . . . oaths are fine and well when you're facing death at the hands of someone you do not even know. Surely we have come further than that?

He still will stay after this dialog either with a persuade check or if you ask him to stay as a friend, but obviously, it's not his oath that is really keeping him there. That is, if you had any doubts to begin with!


The Taliesen encounter is pretty rich no matter how you play it. But I can never bring myself to dump Zev or even have him at low approval by this point, so I've had to hear some of the other options through secondhand sources. It's interesting how the oath only matters if he's in love with you. But then, as you said, it was never really the oath that mattered. It just made a convienent excuse.

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The Taliesen encounter is pretty rich no matter how you play it. But I can never bring myself to dump Zev or even have him at low approval by this point, so I've had to hear some of the other options through secondhand sources. It's interesting how the oath only matters if he's in love with you. But then, as you said, it was never really the oath that mattered. It just made a convienent excuse.


I think I've dumped Zevran at about every point in the game (and then reloaded REALLY quickly).  The real depth of his feelings just shows through at every level, and his reaction is from slightly sad to absolutely destroyed.  That one was because I wanted to see what triggered him to leave during the taliesen fight -- only if you're romancing him and below 71 will he leave, and there is some very interesting dialog if he does.  The dumping came in to see if he would leave or stay during the fight -- he stays if at warm, no matter what.

Actually, that particular game I had to make an effort to keep him below 71 -- no gifts at all, no tent time, and still he was at 69 just from being decent to him (it helps that I take him everywhere I go and he approves of so many things).  It's actually touching that it takes so little to make him happy if you flirt with him; Alistair makes you work for his affection!

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The first time I had a character have a fling with Zevran, I was really surprised at how sad he looked when she dumped him for Alistair. It hadn't even gone very far. Especially if you tell Alistair first that you've chosen him over Zevran, the look on Zev's face and his line "I see you have found someone more compatible to your tastes" or something like that- I was gutted that he was so sad. Like many people I had assumed that his surface demeanor was all that there was.

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The first time I had a character have a fling with Zevran, I was really surprised at how sad he looked when she dumped him for Alistair. It hadn't even gone very far. Especially if you tell Alistair first that you've chosen him over Zevran, the look on Zev's face and his line "I see you have found someone more compatible to your tastes" or something like that- I was gutted that he was so sad. Like many people I had assumed that his surface demeanor was all that there was.


What I really like about choosing Zevran over Alistair is that afterwards, if he's the one who forces the confrontation, he does try to cheer you up -- and is ok with it if you really don't want to talk at that time (though of course, then you miss out on the poetry reading).  Zevran really does seem to be the one who is most focused on what the PC feels rather than what he feels.  I suppose that would fall under him not admitting to himself how he feels for the PC.  With Alistair, it's like he's looking to fall in love, and with Leliana, now that I did that romance, it's like being smothered with complete love and tenderness, but with both, it still feels like they're more into their own feelings than the PC's.  

I'm not sure if that made any sense at all.

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Ow, that's painful. I can hardly bring myself to choose "mean" options when talking to Zevran. I take some kind of weird pleasure out of doing it to every other character (especially during the city elf origin where you can insult your betrothed) but can't do it with Zev. only recently did  choose the "If only it was better than" one in regards to sex. His response is just so good-natured.

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As for Taliesin, I think I just stay with my first impression. That he is one of the few that Zevran trusts more or less, an admired guide and mentor. I take that as the reason Zevran never quesions Taliesin's involvement in Rinna's death. Zevran is neither naive nor stupid, if there was just something casual going on between the two, something 'more' than mere friendship, he'd be wondering just as much as my PC wondered when hearing about Taliesin and then meeting him in person. In my mind, there is already an emotional bond between the two, so casual sex can't be devoid of emotions. I don't think it has to do with my gender, I have no problem seeing Zevran bedding women/men contracts, or picking up women and/or men for fun between the sheets in his free time.

I'll also stick to the impression that Taliesin convinced an already frightened Zevran that Rinna was a traitor for his own selfish reasons. He was, in Zevran's mind, his mentor and as close to a family member as Zevran could get. However, Taliesin was also somewhat of a watcher, trying to keep his charges in line. Assassins live a dangerous life, and it is known that Zevran resisted the Crows early on. It's also feasible to me that his bragging, as well as the undercurrent of wanting to leave did not escape the higher-ups. After all, he did already bolt once to join the Dalish. Zevran knows too much to just let slip away. I don't think I'm explaining this right, but hopefully it's not all to hard to understand at least a little.

I agree with wanting to smash my fist into Ignacio's face when he throws that wh***son at Zevran. I can defend Leliana, why can't I defend Zevran?

I guess I don't want Zevran to be all about sex, all the time, it makes him too 2 dimensional. I see it this way: If Alistair was to say that Duncan meant so much to him, 99% of the people will automatically say "Of course, he was like a father to you." He was more than just a friend to Alistair, but most of the people will not stick the two into bed as an 'automatic'.

Zevran gets automatically put into bed, if he so much as likes another person beyond mere what he thinks is 'friendship'. Our beloved assassin has plenty of bed-partners, and why not. Some people like spinach, and some people like sex. Nothing wrong with that, as long as they're careful regarding diseases and pro-creation. But Taliesin will be Zevran's 'Duncan' as far as I'm concerned. I never believed that Duncan felt toward Alistair as Alistair felt toward Duncan. The same goes for the Zevran/Taliesin relationship in my mind and my RPing.

I build my warrior, and I think I have to respec her. I build her up as Sword and Shield, and it sucks. I'll give the DW a try. Gah, I suck at building warriors. But it is nice to be able to wear the heavy plate and throw my PC in the middle of the action.

I couldn't wait to get Jory's chainmail to and put it on her, even though it still always pains me that he has to die (*is ashamed*).

I was totally shocked to find that I had Alistair at around 93 in no time, my PC hadn't even met Zevran yet. I don't remember doing anything special, other than heavy flirting. Yeah, I admit, I wanted to see Alistair 'in love' before dumping him, but I was rather astounded that it went so fast. I didn't even check his line, and stared at the monitor in awe when Alistair gave my PC the 'let's go to bed' speech. I also finally got to hear Zevran's advice to Alistair. It never triggered the first time around, and subsequent play-throughs never had Alistair high enough by the time Zevran went into his 'me or him' speech. That was too funny, especially given the fact that Zevran was at around 65 and falling in love himself. Zevran, you sly dog. That certainly showed Alistair up as a bit immature (la la la la???).

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@Sabriana -- You've convinced me. Though I've never felt that the relationship between Taliesen and Zevran was casual. Zevran obviously cares deeply for him, but if he were Zevran's mentor, that would explain a lot. Including him saying, "We were friends, and more." I still am stuck a bit that the only way you can question him about their relationship is if you're romancing him, but below adore which implies, at least in my mind, that there was an intimacy there. But even if the sex was casual, it doesn't mean that the relationship was. Take Zevran and the PC, if you choose to go to the tent at the beginning. While the sex at that point can be argued to be casual, there is much more to the relationship going on -- a true friendship based on trust is also being formed.



I think DW warrior is fun. I could not stand either 2h or S&S.



As an aside, I actually just started a city elf warrior -- for the first time I found a dialog at Flemeth's hut telling Alistair that her fiance had died just before being recruited. We'll see if he remembers when they go back to the alienage or if that gives her any new responses. With as many city elves that I've had, I'm surprised I never saw that option before -- I guess I always just rush through.


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Yes, and that was what actually convinced me that there was nothing casual going on between Taliesin and our assassin. Zevran and the PC start out as strangers, develop friendship, fall in love, and Zevran tells my PC that 'ever since she invited him to her tent, he feels nothing but confused.'

My romantic side sees it as him starting to fall for her even before sex. His pushing her to tell him that he can stay on ("is there no one I should stay for?") tells me that Zevran is not all about sex. He loves it, he enjoys it, but as soon as he feels something, he wants reassurance. And when the tent stuff starts, he really gets thrown into an emotional turmoil.

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Re.: DW warrior. I respec'd her (thank goodness for that mod) and I love the DW far better than the S&S.
As far as Alistair remembering being told your elf was engaged, don't count on it. My HN can tell your Elf that Alistair 'forgot' that almost her whole family was brutally massacred ;)

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Sabriana wrote...

Yes, and that was what actually convinced me that there was nothing casual going on between Taliesin and our assassin. Zevran and the PC start out as strangers, develop friendship, fall in love, and Zevran tells my PC that 'ever since she invited him to her tent, he feels nothing but confused.'

My romantic side sees it as him starting to fall for her even before sex. His pushing her to tell him that he can stay on ("is there no one I should stay for?") tells me that Zevran is not all about sex. He loves it, he enjoys it, but as soon as he feels something, he wants reassurance. And when the tent stuff starts, he really gets thrown into an emotional turmoil.

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Re.: DW warrior. I respec'd her (thank goodness for that mod) and I love the DW far better than the S&S.
As far as Alistair remembering being told your elf was engaged, don't count on it. My HN can tell your Elf that Alistair 'forgot' that almost her whole family was brutally massacred ;)


Hah, yes, Ali already asked her if she lost someone close to her *sigh*.  I'm just hoping for a different dialog in the alienage with him other than, "You never told me you were betrothed" or if he does, I'm hoping there's an option to tell him, "yes I did!"

Hmmm, when Zevran says ever since she asked him into his tent he's been nothing about confused, do you think he's talking about from the beginning or talking about since the Taliesen encounter?  It's more romantic to think the former, but the latter actually makes sense because that's the time he started refusing to go.  Plus, he tells her he thought at first it was just a pleasant diversion, but that it's become more (paraphrased, obviously).

Of course, with the dialog choices you're given, you can play it many ways.  You can have the PC saying she loves Zevran as soon as both Zevran and Alistair hit 70 adore, or you can be trying to keep it casual after he falls in love.  But one thing that is clear is that there are definite feelings growing the entire time -- but they're growing whether romancing him or not.  If you take the time, a true and deep friendship forms, and this is aside from any physical relationship.

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I think he started to feel something different right away, but as with Rinna, manages to put it aside for a time. He is afraid of feeling too much, and quite adept at convincing himself that everything is "a pleasant diversion, etc."

Rofl @ the friendship thing. Oh that bad, bad assassin. You see, that goes both ways once again. He is showing himself capable of feeling deep friendship without ever going tenting with the PC. He should be horse-whipped for that..... Wait! What?


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Sabriana wrote...

I think he started to feel something different right away, but as with Rinna, manages to put it aside for a time. He is afraid of feeling too much, and quite adept at convincing himself that everything is "a pleasant diversion, etc."
Rofl @ the friendship thing. Oh that bad, bad assassin. You see, that goes both ways once again. He is showing himself capable of feeling deep friendship without ever going tenting with the PC. He should be horse-whipped for that..... Wait! What?


Ooooh, I think he had deep feelings for Taliesen. I assume that there's a physical element as well.  The physical part did not mean that Zevran was in love with him, though Taliesen may have been in love with Zevran.

As women, it's sometimes hard to understand that men can have sex with someone they care for and not love them.  And when you're taught to use seduction as a tool, it becomes even less of an expression of love and caring.  That actually is why I think that Zevran became incredibly confused about sex and his feelings once he fell in love rather than from the start -- the friendship turns to love, the sex becomes meaningful, and this is all wrong!

He obviously has strong feelings for the PC from the start, moreso if they're romancing.  But there's no possessiveness there until he hits adore, and even then, he only minds sharing if that someone returns the feelings.  Casual sex with others he has no issue with at all, and in fact approves of the PC engaging in it (though disapproves if he can't join when invited).  I hate to say this, but given his reaction to Cammen and Isabela, even if he adores the PC, he is not seeing sex as a expression of love at that point.  

But this is where RP'ing comes in, because of course your PC doesn't have to engage in casual sex; therefore, you don't have to see approval go up in those circumstances.  

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I finally got the dialogue to seduce Cammen the other day, and I got a chuckle when I saw that Zevran approved of my taking the poor boy's virginity (+4) and this was when Zev was "interested" in me LOL
I am still getting dialogue, etc...that I missed the first three times around.
Ejo - Ali is a self centered little boy - do not expect miracles in the Alienage.  In fact, that is one minor thing  I wish Bioware had done differently.  Our PCs probe, sympathize, tease, encourage our companions - but considering the tragic history our PCs have...you'd think we'd get more than a casual line or two of dialogue.
I remember being so angry at the line Ali gave my HN the first playthrough - when he asked if she had ever lost anyone close to her when he was whining about Duncan...She tells him her whole family was massacred by Howe and he says something like "Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot" Posted Image  I wish there was a /slap option Posted Image
I won't spoil City elf for you - but there's not much love/support spread around there either. 

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Rhinna wrote...

I finally got the dialogue to seduce Cammen the other day, and I got a chuckle when I saw that Zevran approved of my taking the poor boy's virginity (+4) and this was when Zev was "interested" in me LOL
I am still getting dialogue, etc...that I missed the first three times around.
Ejo - Ali is a self centered little boy - do not expect miracles in the Alienage.  In fact, that is one minor thing  I wish Bioware had done differently.  Our PCs probe, sympathize, tease, encourage our companions - but considering the tragic history our PCs have...you'd think we'd get more than a casual line or two of dialogue.
I remember being so angry at the line Ali gave my HN the first playthrough - when he asked if she had ever lost anyone close to her when he was whining about Duncan...She tells him her whole family was massacred by Howe and he says something like "Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot" Posted Image  I wish there was a /slap option Posted Image
I won't spoil City elf for you - but there's not much love/support spread around there either. 


I've played city elf -- I'm afraid I spoiled it here already (Zevran's reaction is best, I think).  What I HAVEN'T done is told Alistair at Flemmeth's hut that her fiance has died.  I'm hoping that changes Alistair's line in the alienage.  Because this time she did tell him she was betrothed.

Edit: And Alistair is very self-centered in many ways.  I like him, but not as a romance partner because of the inability to see the PC as anything but an idealized woman, until faced with cold, hard reality, and then . . . ugh.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 janvier 2010 - 01:55 .