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[Sabriana]

Yes, there are a few that even my mage liked, lol. Cullen wasn't one of them though, he seriously weirded her out with his "but I would have felt bad about it" answer.

Greagoir went off on her after the Jowan adventure, and the way he acted didn't endear him to her. I do agree though that Greagoir is one of the more humane templars. I (and my PC) absolutely hated the doorman templar after his 'second floor window' remark.

Ser Otto is nice, so is Ser Bryant. Actually, all of the remaining templars in Lothering are okay.

[SurrealSadi]

Jaenelle thought Cullen was cute, all bashful and such...



Yeah, Greagoir lost points with how harsh he was with Jowan and Lily. I think the Templars that work closest to the mages are the ones that end up being...creepy...

[Sabriana]

The whole tranquility thing is very creepy and really nasty. I mean me, not my PC. Well, her too, but personally I find the whole idea horrifying. Maybe that's why none of my magePCs ever turned Jowan in, I just can't get around the whole 'being forced to become empty' thing. I find it even weirder that apparently some mages prefer to be made tranquil. I think Owain is one of those. But then again, the mages are treated terribly, and they are constantly being told how bad and dangerous they are, so volunteering might have an appeal to some. Keili would be a good candidate, it might give her some peace at last.

I never fails to shock me how summarily Greagoir judges the would-be escapees. He sentences Jowan to death, and Lily to the Aeonar (which is a horrible, horrible place according to the codex). If Duncan hadn't come along, the PC would also be either made tranquil or executed. All without a proper trial.

[SurrealSadi]

Tranquility is scary, and yes, Owain voluntarily became Tranquil. He will discuss that with a Mage if asked. And Jae did talk Keili into speaking with her Mentor about becoming Tranquil.



Well, Blood Mages are subject to death anyway. Sending Lily to Aeonar I think was way too harsh. The PC, in some cases, was following orders. Greagoir couldn't touch them then. If the PC hadn't spoken to Irving(I've yet to do that, I've turned the lovers in with both mages I've started), then I'm unsure what Greagoir would have said.

[Tellervo]

Very interesting to see how people play their mages.... I ran mine as being very inexperienced, but guarded about it. So, if you're going to do something, do it. No room for indecision as a warden, and if it happens no one else should know. And ever so slightly on the angry side about how mages are dealt with, but pragmatic about it. Sort of how Anders is in Awakening.



As far as nookie in the Tower... it clearly happens, and quite frequently. I expect the apprentices behave a lot like high schoolers, and newly Harrowed mages behave a bit like college students with their ever-so-slightly increased freedoms.

[SurrealSadi]

okies. its 8:30am. I think I'm going to go find my bed before I pass out here. Good day!

[Sabriana]

Well, the blood mage who pleads for her life says she will seek penance in the Chantry. I know, Alistair says it's unthinkable, but Leliana begs to differ. Also, when Wynne rats the BM warden out, and she fails the persuade check,

Greagoir will only try to 'arrest' the warden, and assures her that he'll put in a good word for her. So instant death isn't always a given. I have no doubt that it most often comes to that, though.

Greagoir is really nasty toward the mage who hasn't turned Jowan in, but strangely enough, it's not *that* much of a difference between the two scenarios. I was really surprised to see and hear him act almost the same way to the mage who acts under Irving's order.

My mage is very angry about the way mages are dealt with, Tellervo. That is, this particular mage is. I have another one, who acted far different. Strangely enough, I like the current one better that my first very silly one

Edited to wish Surreal a good 'night'.

Modifié par Sabriana, 26 mars 2010 - 12:35 .

[jenovan]

SurrealSadi wrote...

Bow of the Golden Sun. Not that I plan to use it,  but I've never run into it.

Huh... Nope, never even heard of it.  Wonder if it's buried on some story track I've never taken...

SurrealSadi wrote...

 I think the Templars that work closest to the mages are the ones that end up being...creepy...

I think this is probably true...   Familiarity breeds contempt and all that... literally.

[Tellervo]

Sabriana wrote...

Well, the blood mage who pleads for her life says she will seek penance in the Chantry. I know, Alistair says it's unthinkable, but Leliana begs to differ. Also, when Wynne rats the BM warden out, and she fails the persuade check,

Greagoir will only try to 'arrest' the warden, and assures her that he'll put in a good word for her. So instant death isn't always a given. I have no doubt that it most often comes to that, though.

Greagoir is really nasty toward the mage who hasn't turned Jowan in, but strangely enough, it's not *that* much of a difference between the two scenarios. I was really surprised to see and hear him act almost the same way to the mage who acts under Irving's order.

My mage is very angry about the way mages are dealt with, Tellervo. That is, this particular mage is. I have another one, who acted far different. Strangely enough, I like the current one better that my first very silly one

Edited to wish Surreal a good 'night'.

Please, don't mistake my tone as saying that's how it ought to be done.  I get the impression it came off like that, and I apologize.

I haven't played a mage who turned Jowan in, so that's very interesting indeed.  I expect Greagoir is just a zero tolerance type.

[Tellervo]

jenovan wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Bow of the Golden Sun. Not that I plan to use it,  but I've never run into it.

Huh... Nope, never even heard of it.  Wonder if it's buried on some story track I've never taken...

I have it!  I'll have a look about where it came from when I get home tonight.

Edit: cus my tags were flapping in the breeze

Modifié par Tellervo, 26 mars 2010 - 12:46 .

[ejoslin]

That bow is dropped by the elf slaver -- Davana I think her name is.

[Creature 1]

Sabriana wrote...

The templars, their brainwashed attitude and lyrium addled brains are about the only reason I applaud that there are no doors to the individual rooms and that the apprentices live in dorms 'packed in like crates'.
Rape is fueled by a lust for power and showing disdain for the victim. I'm sure the templars would find it quite entertaining to force themselves on the unwilling, non-consenting, and oppressed mages - male and female alike.

Don't they have to take a vow of chastity?  Of course they could go the self-flagellating Cullen route and do it anyway, but I would think if any of the Templars were doing this they'd have to keep it quiet.  

It's also a bit risky, unless the mage in question knows only harmless magic.

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...

That bow is dropped by the elf slaver -- Davana I think her name is.

Huh... as nice as Alessar usually is, I'm preeetty sure he put an arrow in her face for being a traitorous b*tch, and no bow for me.  I could be wrong, though.

[Sabriana]

No, no, Tellervo, you most definitely didn't come off like that, not at all. I just find it fascinating that mages have such a RP range, from the resigned to the silly, to the angry, and more.

I've only turned Jowan in once, and then re-loaded. It just felt wrong to me, because of the whole phylactery (which I personally do consider a leash) and tranquility thing.

I have to kill that elven slaver then, I never have. My PCs all talked their way past her. By the way, Ejoslin, have you found the Zevran pleas in the toolset? I can't seem to locate them. Maybe I'm blind. Maybe I'm stupid. And maybe I'm both, lol.

[Darkannex]

The bow is dropped from the Tevinter slaver - you have a choice not to kill her though-which is why you may have missed it.

[Creature 1]

It never even occurred to me to not kill her!

[Darkannex]

well you can persuade/intimidate her - which I did on one playthrough ...and then kicked myself because the bow has a codex entry

[ejoslin]

 Ok, my last mod comment until I actually make more changes to it.  However, I released it yesterday in the wilds and it made it to youtube.  If anyone is interested, SaturnCeleste put up a video with all four responses plus one where you leave him behind.

[jenovan]

hehe, congrats, ejoslin! ;D

I hope you don't mind if I advertise it on LiveJournal? (if you don't want, I won't XD)

[Sabriana]

Creature 1 wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

The templars, their brainwashed attitude and lyrium addled brains are about the only reason I applaud that there are no doors to the individual rooms and that the apprentices live in dorms 'packed in like crates'.
Rape is fueled by a lust for power and showing disdain for the victim. I'm sure the templars would find it quite entertaining to force themselves on the unwilling, non-consenting, and oppressed mages - male and female alike.

Don't they have to take a vow of chastity?  Of course they could go the self-flagellating Cullen route and do it anyway, but I would think if any of the Templars were doing this they'd have to keep it quiet.  

It's also a bit risky, unless the mage in question knows only harmless magic.

I don't think it would be risky. The circle mages are so cowed that they would most likely not use any magic at all. As for the vow of chastity, that's for sex between lovers/friends/etc. Rape rarely is only about the sex at all, its a show of power, disdain and oppression. As the CE can tell a tale about. Vaughn and his minions could have easily found willing bed-mates, or even purchased sex, but they chose to take it by force within a population that is viewed as second-hand at best, and has almost no recourse to fight them off. They don't even respect the ceremony, but simply view the elven women as 'things' or toys, not sentient beings.
It is used to browbeat people and make them pliable and submissive. I'm sure the templars and even the chantry would find a marvelous excuse for such acts.

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

hehe, congrats, ejoslin! ;D
I hope you don't mind if I advertise it on LiveJournal? (if you don't want, I won't XD)

Yes, please do!  I want EVERYONE to see this!  The romance deserves that ending.  This is the dragon age nexus link -- http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=928 .  

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 mars 2010 - 01:05 .

[Sabriana]

Is the mod on the Nexus the same as the one in your project link, or have you made even more changes? I am so glad you found that dialogue and I'm even gladder that you modded it back to the way it should have been.

*bows*

[ejoslin]

The one on the nexus is version 1.2. There is no gameplay difference at all between 1.2 and 1.3 so I'm not bothering updating it there. The changes I've made, in addition to of course having the "in love" dialog trigger, are I fixed a bug where when Alistair was hostile and selected to be in the party, his dialog would end prematurely and then Zevran's dialog wouldn't trigger at all, and I took out the line, "Not this time, my friend," when leaving him at the gates which was a friendship, not love, line and led to him offering a handshake when all was done.

Edit: Once I'm sure that all the changes are in place I want, I should probably contact the author of Alistair Dialog Patch and see if I can incorporate their changes as well, or ask them to incorporate the Zevran Dialog Fix.  Or go through all that dialog myself I suppose...  There's just no way both can be run at the same time.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 mars 2010 - 01:14 .

[Creature 1]

Sabriana wrote...
I don't think it would be risky. The circle mages are so cowed that they would most likely not use any magic at all.

Maybe, maybe not.  Sometimes people do desperate things in spite of common sense (see:  Shianni).  I wouldn't be surprised if there have been one or two Templars found dead at the foot of the stairs after accidentally falling and breaking their neck--although really they died from getting slammed into a wall by a glyph of repulsion. 

As for the vow of chastity, that's for sex between lovers/friends/etc. Rape rarely is only about the sex at all, its a show of power, disdain and oppression. As the CE can tell a tale about. Vaughn and his minions could have easily found willing bed-mates, or even purchased sex, but they chose to take it by force within a population that is viewed as second-hand at best, and has almost no recourse to fight them off. They don't even respect the ceremony, but simply view the elven women as 'things' or toys, not sentient beings.
It is used to browbeat people and make them pliable and submissive. I'm sure the templars and even the chantry would find a marvelous excuse for such acts.

I guess it depends on the extent and exact wording of the vows.  For instance, if masturbation is also ruled out, I would think coercing mages would be forbidden, since then it's sexual gratification from any source that's forbidden.  But it could be more like the situation with plantation owners in the pre-Civil War south, where a man would be condemned for cheating on his wife with a white woman, but his having sex with slaves on the plantation, as long as discrete, would be ignored. 

[Tellervo]

Sabriana wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

The templars, their brainwashed attitude and lyrium addled brains are about the only reason I applaud that there are no doors to the individual rooms and that the apprentices live in dorms 'packed in like crates'.
Rape is fueled by a lust for power and showing disdain for the victim. I'm sure the templars would find it quite entertaining to force themselves on the unwilling, non-consenting, and oppressed mages - male and female alike.

Don't they have to take a vow of chastity?  Of course they could go the self-flagellating Cullen route and do it anyway, but I would think if any of the Templars were doing this they'd have to keep it quiet.  

It's also a bit risky, unless the mage in question knows only harmless magic.

I don't think it would be risky. The circle mages are so cowed that they would most likely not use any magic at all. As for the vow of chastity, that's for sex between lovers/friends/etc. Rape rarely is only about the sex at all, its a show of power, disdain and oppression. As the CE can tell a tale about. Vaughn and his minions could have easily found willing bed-mates, or even purchased sex, but they chose to take it by force within a population that is viewed as second-hand at best, and has almost no recourse to fight them off. They don't even respect the ceremony, but simply view the elven women as 'things' or toys, not sentient beings.
It is used to browbeat people and make them pliable and submissive. I'm sure the templars and even the chantry would find a marvelous excuse for such acts.

You also have to consider, though, the highly opinionated mages in the Circle who do have access to destructive magic.  If word ever reached them about such a thing, explosions might happen, or more subtle things.  I imagine that such violence is inevitable in that sort of situation, the prisoner/guard relationship of power and control, but not sanctioned.  So, not the sort of thing a man like Greagoir would simply look the other way over.  The easiest way to maintain order is, of course, to be certain nothing happens to disrupt it in the first place.  No "poking the bear" as it were.