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[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

your sister in law is antivan if your a HN? she never commented on being an antivan in any of my HN playthroughs but then again all my HN's are also male so that might be why

also that picture of zevran being sad makes me want to load up my game and shower him with more gifts to try make him happy

Sure she does.  At least in the HNF version, when you're talking to Fergus, if you tell him about your sex life.

She also comments "in Antiva, a woman fighting would be unthinkable" and then when Fergus replies that he thought she said Antivan women were dangerous, she says "with poison and kindness."  Funny thing is, she doesn't sound Antivan at all, however.

[ejoslin]

Hmmmm, as an aside, I found an interesting approval difference. When you seduce Cammen, if you have Zevran in your party, you get 4 approval. However, if you have both Zevran and Wynne in your party, you get 6 points.



I thought the approval thing was a dwarf vs elf thing. Turns out it's a funny thing vs a funny thing that pisses off Wynne thing! I really cannot stand Wynne. I took her to the gauntlet this time and she was SO judgemental of my PC. I say I don't feel responsible for Shianni's rape, and she tells says it's hard to tell how your actions have an effect on outcomes. I say I am, she says to accept your failings. VERY judgemental, especially since at that point I had already told her what had happened in Denerim. I know those are her standard answers, which is why she normally stays at camp during that quest. Somehow it seemed more obnoxious with that particular origin. What on earth COULD the city elf had done; she really was a complete victim there and did everything in her power to save her friend, even after seeing her fiance killed.

[Creature 1]

ejoslin wrote...
I really cannot stand Wynne. I took her to the gauntlet this time and she was SO judgemental of my PC. I say I don't feel responsible for Shianni's rape, and she tells says it's hard to tell how your actions have an effect on outcomes. I say I am, she says to accept your failings. VERY judgemental, especially since at that point I had already told her what had happened in Denerim. I know those are her standard answers, which is why she normally stays at camp during that quest. Somehow it seemed more obnoxious with that particular origin. What on earth COULD the city elf had done; she really was a complete victim there and did everything in her power to save her friend, even after seeing her fiance killed.

Sounds like we need a "slap Wynn" mod for that particular conversation.  I guess the dialogue writers there had a tin ear. 

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...


Sure she does.  At least in the HNF version, when you're talking to Fergus, if you tell him about your sex life.

then its HNF only then sadly... I should really try do a HNF playthrough just to see the differences

she also doesnt sound antivan at all... people still have trouble understanding my watered down english accent even though iv been living in america for almost 10 years now


EDIT: also wynn annoys the crap out me with her relationship talks having heard all the possible ones shes by far the meantest sounding atleast to me during the zevran one and acts like my 28 year old male who was raised to put duty above all else was some angsty teenager in lust who would drop everything at the drop off a hat because of some "fling"

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 26 janvier 2010 - 09:32 .

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

Sounds like we need a "slap Wynn" mod for that particular conversation.  I guess the dialogue writers there had a tin ear. 

YES!  I think I'm one of the very few "Wynne haters" out there though.

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Sounds like we need a "slap Wynn" mod for that particular conversation.  I guess the dialogue writers there had a tin ear. 

YES!  I think I'm one of the very few "Wynne haters" out there though.

oh your not alone in the wynn hate club, I cant stand her myself either and she tends to rott in camp or die in the tower

I wasnt to impressed with her when she ratted me out for being a blood mage either at the tower and ended up having to kill every one you would think fighting the blight is more important than trying to persecute a blood mage who just HELPED SAVE THE TOWER

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

EDIT: also wynn annoys the crap out me with her relationship talks having heard all the possible ones shes by far the meantest sounding atleast to me during the zevran one and acts like my 28 year old male who was raised to put duty above all else was some angsty teenager in lust who would drop everything at the drop off a hat because of some "fling"

Oh, you're not kidding.  I always pick a fight with her in that one and take a huge approval loss.  You're mature enough to save the world, but too childish for an intimate relationship?  And it's not enough that she says she's concerned, she has to insult him personally and cast the whole relationship in a dirty light.  Her apology is nice, but grrrrrr!  Then again, there are many reasons I don't like her.

When getting her personal quest, I always tell her, "And I thought you were perfect."  And she never sees the irony in that statement!  ROFL!  She really thinks she comes off as perfect i suppose.  It's actually a funny exchange.  Or I read it wrong.  One or the other!

What bugs me most about her is she tries to kill you and Alistair, even knowing you're the only hope to save the world.  Or she'll tell you, under the same circumstances but left at camp, that she hopes the darkspawn wins.  She's not nearly as noble as she tries to make everyone think she is.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 janvier 2010 - 09:42 .

[Cuddlezarro]

her apology came way to late for me to "forgive" her since you only get it after you kill talisan and Zevran admits his love and considering in game you have been traveling over a year.... to put it bluntly I wasnt to impressed that it took over a year to say "im sorry for being a preachy cow who thinks she knows everything"

[ejoslin]

It is a bit less than a year between picking up Zevran and the Taliesen encounter (you can find this out when he's telling the PC he's with her/him until the end), but I agree, it's too little, too late. She is just SO nasty about it, even if you are nice to her. But I do like reading about the tenderness of his gaze. So I usually let her live! But not always . . .

[Cuddlezarro]

ah I guess orzammar throws the time line off with me then since my dwarf games always go there second and every one comments how its been a year since I left and in that time my sister(if casteless) or the noble hunter(if im a noble) I slept with end up giving birth to my Son/Nephew in the year im a way

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ah I guess orzammar throws the time line off with me then since my dwarf games always go there second and every one comments how its been a year since I left and in that time my sister(if casteless) or the noble hunter(if im a noble) I slept with end up giving birth to my Son/Nephew in the year im a way

The passage of time is handled so badly in this game.  That is my only real criticism, though.  I think there are some ways they could have handled it better.  But really, since THAT is my major criticism, I have no real complaints.  Especially since the rest of the world is so rich.

I am so worried that Awakenings will ruin the romances.  My first character will probably be an Orlesian warden because I don't think I could handle the heartbreak of losing Zevran.  And that says a lot about how compelling the character is!

[BlastedLands]

ejoslin wrote...



I am so worried that Awakenings will ruin the romances.  My first character will probably be an Orlesian warden because I don't think I could handle the heartbreak of losing Zevran.  And that says a lot about how compelling the character is!

shhh.... don't let the cold reality inside this cuddly thread.

edit: is it just me or are the boards a little weird tonight?

Modifié par Haerja, 26 janvier 2010 - 11:01 .

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...


The passage of time is handled so badly in this game.  That is my only real criticism, though.  I think there are some ways they could have handled it better.  But really, since THAT is my major criticism, I have no real complaints.  Especially since the rest of the world is so rich.

I am so worried that Awakenings will ruin the romances.  My first character will probably be an Orlesian warden because I don't think I could handle the heartbreak of losing Zevran.  And that says a lot about how compelling the character is!

in Awakening Im actually more worried that they will kill off the dog or make it impossible for him to join the party yeah sue me even my most hardened evil ******* characters love the dog...

as for the orlesian warden that playthrough is saved for my self sacrifice playthrough that I can be bothered to complete since im romancing Leliana and I just cant stand her... and im not gonna put Zevran through that (funny how I have no problem with leliena commiting suicide because I died but cant stand the thought of making zevran close up all his emotions and joining the crows again)

[jenovan]

*snickering at the Wynne hate* XD

I do hate her condescension, I think it's a bit heavy-handed at times, but she has her moments. I think part of my problem with the relationship conversation in particular is that the PC's replies range from petulant to... well, petulant. XD;; My elf is a calm, rational, good-natured man with a silver tongue™, but he can't eloquently defend his very serious relationship to a "friend"?? (...yeah, hey, why aren't there any (Persuade) lines in that dialogue? ;P ) Bah.



(Ahahaha, then again, I just realized, maybe it's like trying to win approval from your mother... if your mother is anything like mine, ahahaha.)





On another romantic note, PC finally "broke up" with Morrigan (she was still at 100 Friendly! I wonder if it's a Dialog Tweaks bug..). I had to laugh when Morrigan seemed rather annoyed to be dumped for a man, but then she even admitted, with a smile, that "the assassin has his charms". ;D

[AnniLau]

I don't hate Wynne, but it does amuse me to annoy her during her story about the Grey Wardens by mentioning griffons at every opportunity.

Modifié par AnniLau, 26 janvier 2010 - 11:06 .

[Addai]

ejoslin, since you're the expert on these things (hehe): On current HNF, I am wondering what would happen if she dumped Alistair but still tried to marry him. Say, if she ends up with Zevran, can she still Persuade Alistair to marry her?  Because she is starting to think about the politics and is concerned. She likes Alistair, but every time he says Arl Eamon is in line for the throne she wants to slap him. The Couslands are 2nd in line for the throne behind the Theirins, so she keeps wanting to say, "if you're not going to take it, it's not Eamon's but MINE" (or Fergus', if he's alive). She is being patient right now because Alistair didn't have her upbringing, but is waiting for him to ball up and start acting like a Theirin or else she just might have to take it in hand. The Couslands are not going to go gentle into the night. I think this is the first character where I honestly "hardened" Alistair because she knew that's what he needed. Anyway, I would just like to know what my options are with Zevran and the end game.

Modifié par Addai67, 26 janvier 2010 - 11:40 .

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin, since you're the expert on these things (hehe): On current HNF, I am wondering what would happen if she dumped Alistair but still tried to marry him. Say, if she ends up with Zevran, can she still Persuade Alistair to marry her? Because she is starting to think about the politics and is concerned. She likes Alistair, but every time he says Arl Eamon is in line for the throne she wants to slap him. The Couslands are 2nd in line for the throne behind the Theirins, so she keeps wanting to say, "if you're not going to take it, it's not Eamon's but MINE" (or Fergus', if he's alive). She is being patient right now because Alistair didn't have her upbringing, but is waiting for him to ball up and start acting like a Theirin or else she just might have to take it in hand. The Couslands are not going to go gentle into the night. I think this is the first character where I honestly "hardened" Alistair because she knew that's what he needed. Anyway, I would just like to know what my options are with Zevran and the end game.

Yes, Alistair will marry her as long as they're friendly (the lowest I've tried was 97 friendly, but it's probably 91 friendly).  However, the ending slide is the same as if they were in full love.  The best ending slide for Elissa, I think, is if she never romanced him.  And Zevran can understand a political marriage.  You cannot love Alistair and keep Zevran, but you can marry Alistair and keep Zevran.  If the romance is complete and he's declared his intentions, he basically says he loves a royal scandal.  If it hasn't been finished, he's still happy that it's going to continue, but the dialog isn't quite as sweet.  (the royal scandal one starts with, Have you heard about the future queen?  She has this elven fellow on the side.  Handsome, naturally," and the non-complete romance one starts, "I heard this rumor about a beautiful woman.  They say she's going to marry a king!")  Both are actually worth seeing, though.

The major difference between dumped-Alistair and never-romanced Alistair is if Alistair was ever in love, he stays in love, so everyone delights at how much he adored his bride.  If he was never romanced, the people love Elissa as their savior and new ruler.

[Addai]

OK, thanks! We'll see. She is still trying to figure Zevran out. Can't wait to do the Antivan Crow quests with her.

[ejoslin]

I hope that wasn't TOO spoilerish I just love all the HNF endings, especially the Zevran ones!

[_Aine_]

ejoslin wrote...


Yes, Alistair will marry her as long as they're friendly (the lowest I've tried was 97 friendly, but it's probably 91 friendly).  However, the ending slide is the same as if they were in full love.  The best ending slide for Elissa, I think, is if she never romanced him.  And Zevran can understand a political marriage.  You cannot love Alistair and keep Zevran, but you can marry Alistair and keep Zevran.  If the romance is complete and he's declared his intentions, he basically says he loves a royal scandal.  If it hasn't been finished, he's still happy that it's going to continue, but the dialog isn't quite as sweet.  (the royal scandal one starts with, Have you heard about the future queen?  She has this elven fellow on the side.  Handsome, naturally," and the non-complete romance one starts, "I heard this rumor about a beautiful woman.  They say she's going to marry a king!")  Both are actually worth seeing, though.

The major difference between dumped-Alistair and never-romanced Alistair is if Alistair was ever in love, he stays in love, so everyone delights at how much he adored his bride.  If he was never romanced, the people love Elissa as their savior and new ruler.

I can attest to this as well.  On one playthrough i dumped Alistair so nicely he didn't even care *sniff* and romanced, very happily i may add,  Zevran.  Did the whole save before the end thing and played it several ways ( with more to go) but I ended up marrying Alistair, keeping Zev.  Even got a whole speech from Alistair about wondering if I still had feelings for him because his didn't change etc.  It didn't affect my relationship with Zev in the least after we chatted about it and he realized I still cared for him (Zev) He was quite accepting of the business of the crown and seemed to be able to separate duty action from actual love.  Pragmatic boy, he. 

[Sabriana]

I like Wynne. But I do agree, she is not very well written.regarding the Gray Wardens. She goes on and on about GWs being the absolute for saving the world, but she tries to kill the only hopes for Ferelden because she suddenly discovers a deep devotion to Andraste? Give me a break.

I'm sorry but the inconsistency in Wynne stands out like a sore thumb. I do like her, she's a brave woman to stand against the abominaions, but the GW business as she sees it dovetails with Alistair's pov. It's not about the GWs doing everything that counts toward defeating the Blight , it's simply hero-worship.

[Addai]

Huh. I might have to dump Alistair just to get that speech, whether or not she goes with Zevran. LOL, the things you do to change stuff up after multiple playthroughs.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

Huh. I might have to dump Alistair just to get that speech, whether or not she goes with Zevran. LOL, the things you do to change stuff up after multiple playthroughs.

You can dump him at the Landsmeet door and not lose approval if you tell him it's because you two don't have a future!  Just so you can see the answer of course.

Am I the only one who usually has Zevran as their champion at that thing?  Well, if I'm not playing a rogue at least.  He just destroys Loghain SO quickly.

[Cuddlezarro]

LOL at the royal scandal dialogue you females get...I wonder if theres a male variant if my guy marries Anora... I might test it out this playthrough and reload after I see it because maker forbid I actually marry Anora instead of throwing her ass in a tower for the rest of her life

[Rhinna]

I liked Wynne on my first playthrough - after that I found her incredibly annoying. She stays at camp now, and I don't even care if we never find the mage she bullied when she was younger. I spec Morrigan for healing, and take HER everyone...heck, lately i've been filling up on heal pots (99 of them) and taking Zevran, Sten, and Dog. At least my doggie doesn't whine like Alastair! However, Ali is only at hmm perhaps +15 approval? I have exhausted all my dialogue with him, haven't gotten his quest, guess I'll have to ply him with gifts or figure out a way to butter him up a bit LOL. I'd like to get his Goldanna quest to harden him, it's best for the elves, really...Guess I'll have to give him the stash I've been saving for Ohgren...Meanwhile, trying my best to keep Zev at bay :-)