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[Sabriana]

Help!!

Goodness, this play-through is something, I tell you. Now I've put my HN Rogue on ice, even though she was almost at the end. I just can't leave my Amazon, she keeps throwing me for loops and keeps me awestruck.

First she gets Alistair to fall completely and utterly and very early on. Without even trying. Sure she beds him when he asks her, she's no stranger to the pleasures of the bed, and she had fun 'deflowering' him. She even thought she was in love. That is, until Zevran moved in for the kill (pun intended ).

So, she talks to the handsome elf, flirts with him, but is very careful to keep the fires low. Apparently, she made her calculations without the leading factor, because suddenly Zevran pulls her over for the "it's him or me" talk.

I swear, I didn't have her do anything special. I have all his gifts in my camp chest. She didn't even talk to him during the mage tower. He started it at 62, I swear.

So, while my beloved Amazon stared in disbelief, her benign maker, guide, and goddess (Me. Delusions of Grandeur? Who? Me? Why, I never...!) decided to check Zevran's insides. Darn if the man wasn't at 100 and LOVE. She didn't press him on the "my task before this one", and Zevran told her he might tell her later. The "massage" talk never happened, they weren't even at camp. Mage Tower, remember?

So now what? I don't want to lose the "Love" thingie on his line, it's too, too cute. He fell for her head-first, and as hard as a Granite building. I like to imagine that he is in love, but doesn't want to admit it. Of course, I, as the all-seeing deity of all (stop it with that delusion thing, will you?) know better, but he doesn't, and my Amazon doesn't either.

I want her to use the "what about love?" line after sex, and that will drop his approval, I think it's a -5. Will that switch the "Love" back to "Adore"? I hope not, that would mean she is condemned to a cold, lonely tent for a long time, or I have to start thinking about how I could RP that switch-back best. But I do want to use the "what about love" line. I love that line, and the way he paces back and forth, trying to convince himself most of all that love is not an option for him.

My Amazon likes Alistair a lot, even though she now knows that she's not in love with him. However, what she feels for Zevran is far different than anything she's felt before. She was, after all, a somewhat indulged HN, and had the luck to have parents that let her go the warrior path, and actively supported her choice. She's not averse to a simple pleasure seeking roll in the hay (i.e. Dairren), but Zevran is different. She wants to know, darnit!

She's a coward, I tell you. Despite my benevolent guidance. Despite her throwing herself head-first into enemy lines, cutting a bloody swath. Where, oh where did I go wrong? I read what Ejoslin wrote about the "love" thingie, but I want to make absolutely sure. After all, it happened quite by accident, and I want to keep it. Help!! Someone!!! Anyone!! Ejoslin? Are ye there?

[ejoslin]

Sabriana, you will be fine -- you won't necessarily lose approval BUT if you do, you will most likely go back to Adore. However, you don't have to lose approval if you ask him about love -- you can still gain approval in that circumstance, just don't ask him if it was all a part of his plan. And when he asks, don't ask him if he was joking (even though that gives a FANTASTIC response). I take it back, ask him if he's joking but then reload. *grin*

*grin* It's fun. If you're ever below 100 and it reads Love early, the way to keep it is to raise it with gifts or conversation. Going to the tent drops it back to adore.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 janvier 2010 - 11:55 .

[AnniLau]

I put my Arcane Warrior into Heavy Dragonscale armor last night and I guess she really liked it, because she refused to remove it when she and Zev hit the tent. Apparently he really is as talented as he claims, because they both appeared to have a good time anyway.

Modifié par AnniLau, 27 janvier 2010 - 02:18 .

[Kilyra]

Sooo, last night I was in a bit of a "I wanna play but nothing serious" mood so I just kept playing around with conversations at camp. I'm just with Zevran (Alistair all but hates me actually), and we just got him free of the crows. So I tried dumping him just to see. Heart breaking. Not only does he sound crushed, but he will leave if your persuade isn't high enough. I tried the old, "what about your oath to me", and he pulled out the trusty, "What are promises anyhow? We all make promises, some spoken...some UNspoken and we break them all the same." Ouch! That crushed me, he sounded so broken and hurt that I broke my unspoken promise. Yeah. Obviously couldn't save that one!! Makes me appreciate the depth of dear Zevran though, wow

[ejoslin]

Kilyra wrote...

Sooo, last night I was in a bit of a "I wanna play but nothing serious" mood so I just kept playing around with conversations at camp. I'm just with Zevran (Alistair all but hates me actually), and we just got him free of the crows. So I tried dumping him just to see. Heart breaking. Not only does he sound crushed, but he will leave if your persuade isn't high enough. I tried the old, "what about your oath to me", and he pulled out the trusty, "What are promises anyhow? We all make promises, some spoken...some UNspoken and we break them all the same." Ouch! That crushed me, he sounded so broken and hurt that I broke my unspoken promise. Yeah. Obviously couldn't save that one!! Makes me appreciate the depth of dear Zevran though, wow

Yeh, all the Zevran breakups are bad, but the ones after he's in love . . . I also have done the "let's see what happens if" and ugh.  It's probably a big part of the reason I'm such a Zevran fangirl though.  His feelings at the end are so deep.  Alistair says "I love you" easily but the words don't mean much.  Leliana also will say it easily, and falls in love EXTREMELY easily, yet when it comes down to it, she's fine as well if it ends.  Zevran never says those words, but in every other way expresses it so much and feels it so deeply, you don't need him to say it.  His love for the warden is really all that he is at that point -- nothing else matters.

[Addai]

I've been thinking about the Alistair vs. Zevran romances and I think they are more similar than they appear at first. Zevran will not allow himself to fall in love, or admit that he is falling in love, before his personal crisis is resolved, and thus he keeps the PC at a distance until then. With Alistair, he believes his life is settled ("and now I'm a proud Grey Warden") and so he naturally falls in love with his fellow Warden, but as the game progresses his life is up-ended again. The distance he starts to put between herself and him is similar to Zevran's pre-Taliesin. I also have to disagree that the Alistair romance is not deep. In the end, he will sacrifice himself for you even if you have dumped him. You could say that he is trying to be the hero but if that were the case, he would insist on killing the archdemon whether or not he was ever in love with you or not.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

I've been thinking about the Alistair vs. Zevran romances and I think they are more similar than they appear at first. Zevran will not allow himself to fall in love, or admit that he is falling in love, before his personal crisis is resolved, and thus he keeps the PC at a distance until then. With Alistair, he believes his life is settled ("and now I'm a proud Grey Warden") and so he naturally falls in love with his fellow Warden, but as the game progresses his life is up-ended again. The distance he starts to put between herself and him is similar to Zevran's pre-Taliesin. I also have to disagree that the Alistair romance is not deep. In the end, he will sacrifice himself for you even if you have dumped him. You could say that he is trying to be the hero but if that were the case, he would insist on killing the archdemon whether or not he was ever in love with you or not.

He does want to kill the archdemon, actually.  The difference is, of course, is if he was never romanced, he can be talked into letting you take the blow.  But at friendly, he stops and tells you he wants to take it because you have been the best friend to him ever, that you have saved his life over and over and he wants to, just once, return the favor.

And he knows that songs will be sung about him, and that he will go down in legend.  I don't think that's his motivation though.  I think, really, dying to end the blight is the definition of his gray warden duty.  And for him, duty is more important than anything.

But also, my guess is any of the companions aside from Morrigan would take that blow for the Warden.  The only difference is Alistair really is the only one who CAN take that blow.

With Alistair, the wonderful romance and beautiful words, presents, loving gestures, happen before he falls in love.  He wants to be in love,  but he is not.  With both Zevran and Leliana, the closeness comes after they fall in love.  I will have to double check this, but I believe that if the romance with Alistair ends before he falls in love, even after you get the wonderful talks and even after you bed him, you get the buddy ending.  I know one of my characters got him to 96 love and still got the buddy ending, but that could have been a romance glitch.

Edit: Also, even if dumped, you still have to have high approval for him to take that blow.  How high, I'm not sure.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 janvier 2010 - 06:04 .

[ejoslin]

Heh, I loaded up that character, the one who was at 96 love before breaking up, did the buddy ending and took the blow. I'm using jenovan's Zevran right now (blond version) and I didn't realize it was possible, but that Zevran looks even more lost and pained than the original one. Ugh, poor Zev

And jenovan, that Zevran is SO amazing! Most modded Zevs have problems with the eyes being too squinty, but his are just perfect. And he's beautiful.

Edit: And double checking, the rose is definitely in that character's inventory.  It was a bit of a fast forward romance, turning it on at friendly, but I had messed it up and didn't have quite the approval to get to 100 love so it stopped at 96.  Alistair still asked her to the tent, BUT since she was involved with Zevran, she was unable to ask Alistair where he thought it was going.  That shouldn't make a difference, though, since I've done that with royal wedding endings, and even having to break up with Alistair for Zevran before that final dialog, I get the beloved bride epilogue instead of the ruler and savior one.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 janvier 2010 - 07:28 .

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Heh, I loaded up that character, the one who was at 96 love before breaking up, did the buddy ending and took the blow. I'm using jenovan's Zevran right now (blond version) and I didn't realize it was possible, but that Zevran looks even more lost and pained than the original one. Ugh, poor Zev

And jenovan, that Zevran is SO amazing! Most modded Zevs have problems with the eyes being too squinty, but his are just perfect. And he's beautiful.

Ah well, imperfect example then.    And let's see this mod!  Pictures, people, pictures!  LOL

[jenovan]

Awww... I've seen mod-Zev look annoyed/angry, but I've not made him sad yet. (I can't do it! I fail at dialogue testing!   )  But thanks!  I'm really glad to hear other people like him too :3

Addai, screenshot of one of my favorite Zevran quotes ;D  Click for full-size... 



(Edit: Oh yeah... mod is here.  )

Modifié par jenovan, 27 janvier 2010 - 06:41 .

[Sialater]

LMAO, where does that scene take place?

[jenovan]

It's the Chantry in Haven ;D When you walk in for the first time and interrupt the service.  He actually has a line before that, something about small towns...
Ahh, Zevran and his priorities. 

[ejoslin]

 

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 janvier 2010 - 06:58 .

[Kilyra]

Okay, strange question but...when Taliesin first approaches the crew in Denerim, what does he say exactly? Is it something like, "Oh, and look who we have here!" Or am I way off?

[Addai]

Quoting from memory he says, "What have we here, the mighty Grey Warden at last."

It's interesting that if you encounter Taliesin without Zevran in your party, you can try to play dumb when he mentions Zevran ("Zevran who?") Not that it works, of course, and Zevran will walk up shortly thereafter.

Modifié par Addai67, 27 janvier 2010 - 07:06 .

[Addai]

Ah, interesting mod, thanks guys. Pretty eyes, if a little creepy... I have to say that the dark-haired Zevran mods have worked their way into my consciousness and I tend to mentally edit him to look that way.   An Italian elf in every way, rawr! LOL  For my elf mage, however, I think I'll mentally un-edit. She's dark-haired and dark-eyed herself, and very young looking, so I think I like the aesthetic contrast of her with an older, blonde Zevran.

Modifié par Addai67, 27 janvier 2010 - 07:05 .

[ejoslin]

You're a bit off. If he's NOT in the party, you get a line kind of like that.



Taliesen: And so here is the mighty Grey Warden at long last. The Crows send their greetings, once again.

Taliesen: And where is Zevran? I don't see him with you. How very disappointing.

GW: Zevran is dead.

Taliesen: Don't bother. I know very well he travels with you.

Zevran: Here I am, Taliesen. Tell me, were you sent? Or did you volunteer for the job?

Taliesen: Oh ho! And he makes an appearance.



If Zevran is in the party, it's the same except of course, you don't get anything here after the first line, it just skips to Zevran asking if Taliesen was sent or volunteered.

[Addai]

Thanks for the actual text (I did say you get a line like that without Zevran in your party). But you get the "might Grey Warden" line regardless, no? I also clearly remember answering "Zevran who?", or am I totally hallucinating? It would make sense that your PC would not have known the name of the assassin who tried to kill her, if he died in the attempt.

[Namirsolo]

Am I the only one who usually has Zevran as their champion at that
thing?  Well, if I'm not playing a rogue at least.  He just destroys
Loghain SO quickly.

I do this too. I love playing rogues, first of all, so I'm usually playing Zevran no matter what class my character is. And, I just love the irony of sending the person who Loghain tried to get to kill you to fight him. It's kind of a perverse "Thank you for sending me my love". haha

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

Thanks for the actual text (I did say you get a line like that without Zevran in your party). But you get the "might Grey Warden" line regardless, no? I also clearly remember answering "Zevran who?", or am I totally hallucinating? It would make sense that your PC would not have known the name of the assassin who tried to kill her, if he died in the attempt.

You sure do.  And you can choose "Zevran who?"  and a few others.  Including, "let's just get this over with."  I just quote what I have screen shots of.

Edit: I was transcribing my screen shots and didn't read your reply before posting that.  Ugh, I cannot believe how many screen shots I have of conversations and battles.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 janvier 2010 - 07:33 .

[ejoslin]

Namirsolo wrote...

Am I the only one who usually has Zevran as their champion at that
thing?  Well, if I'm not playing a rogue at least.  He just destroys
Loghain SO quickly.

I do this too. I love playing rogues, first of all, so I'm usually playing Zevran no matter what class my character is. And, I just love the irony of sending the person who Loghain tried to get to kill you to fight him. It's kind of a perverse "Thank you for sending me my love". haha

Hahahaha, yes!  "Am I the only one who sees the irony in this?  Ah well, I do so love working in front of an audience!"  classic line!

Edit: I have to admit, most games Zevran is in the felon's coat and carrying the rose thorn.  Unless I'm playing a melee rogue as well, but in truth, I like hearing Zevran say, "Look out, trap there!" over whatever my PC says, so normally she's not a rogue.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 janvier 2010 - 07:20 .

[ejoslin]

woops, didn't mean to post this.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 janvier 2010 - 07:32 .

[frostajulie]

Is the Loghain dialogue different if you use a champion, I always fought him myself thinking I had to as the leader.

[Sylrien]

There is a bit of dialogue for every character. Sometimes Loghain will say something (Most notably if you pick Alistair as champion, or shale), or the characters will say something about being picked. (I love Morrigan's line, in particular.)



Or Eamon will say something if you pick the dog

[Cuddlezarro]

its a shame Loghain doesnt recognize Zevran until he points it out during a party banter (assuming you recruit him)



also did the fade dream with zevran in the party today I find it odd how hes cowering in fear and shaking while my noble beats the tar out of those Demon elves for doing what looked like something out of an S&M movie to him also I loled at his wood nymph comment when the party reunites