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[Creature 1]

dream_operator23 wrote...
I know at the very end he really does love me and I can tell, but I just can't get to that point anymore, because everything leading up to it feels like he is using me...even the sex.

Depending on how you run the relationship, I think from his point of view he thinks you're using him at first. 

[Sabriana]

Creature 1 wrote...

dream_operator23 wrote...
I know at the very end he really does love me and I can tell, but I just can't get to that point anymore, because everything leading up to it feels like he is using me...even the sex.

Depending on how you run the relationship, I think from his point of view he thinks you're using him at first. 

Especially given the fact that the times he asks the PC to the tent comes to a grand total of one time. All the other times the PC has to initiate the schmexy-time.
Also, given what I read so far in the forums and elsewhere, it's usually Zevran who is used as a past-time, and as a filler until the 'real' romance gets going. He usually ends up being used and dumped.
That is also why I only read fanfic from specific people. I am so sick an tired of the standard
"Alistair dumps PC publicly.
PC rebounds to Zevran.
Alistair returns and wants PC again.
Silly, self-disrespecting PC promptly dumps Zevran to bounce happily into Alistair's arms.
Zevran? Zevran who?"

Edited, because it's Monday

Modifié par Sabriana, 29 mars 2010 - 01:12 .

[MorGothic]

Sabriana wrote...

Holy.... o_O
Well, g'day my lovlies. My goodness, my ribs hurt, thank you all so much. Luckily I was home when I read up on the pages. Cammen..., well, what can I say that hasn't been said. Those pictures are really something, Cammen and Bodhan, and Zevran? What did the poor guy ever do to you, Charsen? --->insert the desperately needed ROFL emotie
Those instruction for the morph should be made easily accessable. There is so much good info in this thread that no one will ever find again. Like CZ's Winterforge instructions, MorGothic's toolset install instructions, and so much more.
Can't we have a misc. goodie-bag in the group? Would that be possible?
I so hope that the 'kiss' can be put into the gate-mod, but if not, trust me, I'm perfectly happy with the way it is now. My mage is in Orzammar (still), so we're coming up on the Taliesen encounter. I'll get to see the newest Zevring (yay, squee), and then later on my mage will get her 'at the gates' speech. The proper one (yay, squee, rinse and repeat)

Ello Darlin *really pervy voice*

Charsen's NSFW links are far too scary for me...<_<

As for all the info the only way to find it would be to divide the thread up between all of us then go through page by page, although it might not be that bad if 10 or so of us do it, after all it's only scrolling pages and copying links.

I was bored (Read: I still can't make a HN I like...) so I though I'd muck about with the Morph Creator in the toolset. Just wondered what you guys and girls though of this:



It still needs work, I think...something just doen't sit right although I'm not sure what.

Thoughs, comment, suggestion?

Modifié par MorGothic, 29 mars 2010 - 01:15 .

[Creature 1]

The proportions are wrong, the jaw is too narrow and/or the face is too tall.



Hmm. . . Spike or Zevran. . . Hmm. . .

[Sabriana]

Spike! *Swoon*

But yes, the chin is too pointy, and the face too long. Other than that, go MG. You're onto something there.



Lol @ Creature

[Creature 1]

It's not funny! This is a terrible dilemma. I simply can't choose--I'll take both.

[Sabriana]

Creature 1 wrote...

It's not funny! This is a terrible dilemma. I simply can't choose--I'll take both.

Right! Excellent solution. I adore logical thinking. It just wouldn't do to turn away either, that would be mean.

[Sabriana]

Dream_operator, your PC doesn't have to go to the tent with him. He'll fall in love even without that. If you do wait until he hits 'love', then get the DT mod, otherwise you get the 'go to tent before falling in love' dialogue from him, and it sounds very wrong.

Probably something that messed up, just like the 'gate' conversation.

[ejoslin]

I have a favor to ask of everyone! Well, I made a "alienage" mod, but the only character I can test it on right now is the female elf romancing Zevran, and it works for her, but i have no clue about the others, or if it introduces new bugs. I'm going to post it in a few minutes, and if anyone has any elves, male or female, in a romance with anyone, including morrigan, alistair, and/or Leliana, would you mind beta testing?



I know Charsen is making a far improved one, but this one is for people who just want the dialog cleaned up!

[ejoslin]

dream_operator23 wrote...

Dream_operator, your PC doesn't have to go to the tent with him. He'll fall in love even without that. If you do wait until he hits 'love', then get the DT mod, otherwise you get the 'go to tent before falling in love' dialogue from him, and it sounds very wrong

So if you never say anything about being in love with him, but get him to 100% approval will he then fess up that he loves you all on his own?

Oh, what you say to him doesn't affect the romance.  It's only the Taliesen encounter that does so.  Zevran is never using the warden though.  Even at the beginning, he asks straight out if the relationship is going to be friendship, casual, or more than casual, and if they have a future together after the blight.

Edit: Zevran was never loved, never taught how to love -- at the end, the fact that he cannot remain casual is something.  If the warden doesn't love him as much as he loves the warden, he breaks up.  He cannot bear the thought of the relationship being "just sex."  As far as his comments, keep in mind that he is FUNNY.  He's teasing.

Modifié par ejoslin, 29 mars 2010 - 01:40 .

[Sabriana]

Hi Ejoslin. I'm so sorry, but my only elf is my DEM, who's falling for Morrigan. I hope you find testers, because if it works (which it naturally will) I need to make me a bad ass CE who sliced and dices her way through the estate.

[Creature 1]

dream_operator23 wrote...
So again, he thinks my character is using him for sex? She would never! Yet I have proof that Zevran does that all the time, so how can she trust him at first?

Actually while at work he usually uses sex to achieve another goal, and in his personal life it's for entertainment, and he'd prefer a partner who sees it similarly and isn't going to get all morose afterwards and feel exploited. 

If Zevran's on good terms with your PC he's not using her by having sex with her any more than I'm using my friends for company when I go out to get drinks with them.  IMO it's not that important to him, and if someone's adverse he's not going to waste his time trying to get in their pants, he'll just move on. 

Zevran has no interest in drama. 

[ejoslin]

It works for the CEF romancing Zevran for sure. It should work for everyone else as well -- I'm just not sure if there are other bugs, or if there was just the looping to Alistair problem and the inappropriate dialog choices for Zevran. I didn't see any others, though.

[Sabriana]

Creature 1 wrote...

dream_operator23 wrote...
So again, he thinks my character is using him for sex? She would never! Yet I have proof that Zevran does that all the time, so how can she trust him at first?

Actually while at work he usually uses sex to achieve another goal, and in his personal life it's for entertainment, and he'd prefer a partner who sees it similarly and isn't going to get all morose afterwards and feel exploited. 

If Zevran's on good terms with your PC he's not using her by having sex with her any more than I'm using my friends for company when I go out to get drinks with them.  IMO it's not that important to him, and if someone's adverse he's not going to waste his time trying to get in their pants, he'll just move on. 

Zevran has no interest in drama. 

True, true. He shrugs off being told that "we are not exactly alone" like a duck shrugs off water. I'm pretty sure he sincerely believes that the warden needs to relax. That's what sex is to him, an entertainment. Only when he hits the higher approval levels does it become important and he connects it with love.

[MorGothic]

Ok attempt 2:







@ejoslin - I can test it if you like, New Character + Console = Win.

[Sabriana]

Well, it's a good thing my mage is nearing the end. I'll just have to make a CE just to see this

I'm still a bit unsure with this BM stuff. I keep messing up, lol. It's entirely my ignorance, I keep messing up on the timing. I'm getting better though. Ahh, the pleasure of the learning curve.

Edited to swoon some more at Spike.
Not bad, MG. Not bad at all. It seems Spike's chin is a little shorter though. But I'm also aware that the CharCreators for DA are a bit limited. I've never though about using a picture as a reference. Good idea.

Modifié par Sabriana, 29 mars 2010 - 01:54 .

[ejoslin]

 Bah, I am interrupting an interesting conversation.  But I have my mod posted now.  Hmmmm, I guess i'll look at console commands for turning romances on and off, but I can't test males at all.

Edit: @morgothic YAY! Thank you!  But this is when you come back to the Alienage, so it can't be a new character.  I don't think?  I don't know the console well enough!

Second edit: Is it unethical of me to post an almost completely untested mod at DANexus as long as I say it's beta and ask for feedback on bugs?

Modifié par ejoslin, 29 mars 2010 - 01:53 .

[jenovan]

Wish I could test for ya, ejoslin... stuck at work for quite a while to come.

ejoslin wrote...

dream_operator23 wrote...

So if you never say anything about being in love with him, but get him to 100% approval will he then fess up that he loves you all on his own?

Oh, what you say to him doesn't affect the romance. It's only the Taliesen encounter that does so. Zevran is never using the warden though. Even at the beginning, he asks straight out if the relationship is going to be friendship, casual, or more than casual, and if they have a future together after the blight.

On a technical note, in order for Zevran (or *any* companion) to fall in love, you do have to initiate the romance with a reply somewhere that indicates some interest. Zevran has rather a lot of them. But yes, in theory, even if that one romantic comment is the only one you ever make, he'll fall in love with high enough approval after his (completely non-optional!) personal "quest".

dream_operator, I think your RP interpretation is as valid as any, but it's a shame that all of your characters see him the same way

dream_operator23 wrote..

I keep thinking back to how I met him with that apostate wrapped around his finger, obviously kept close because she was powerful. I'm not any different to him.

Hmm, we don't really know anything about his relationship with his ambush party, do we? She worked for him, and that's about all we know. (Unless there's some dialogue somewhere to be missed!)

Modifié par jenovan, 29 mars 2010 - 01:59 .

[Sannox]

I can test it on a male elf, but he's not a city elf - would that matter?

[Sabriana]

I've seen a lot of people do that, Ejoslin. People can hardly complain if it is stated that this is a beta put up for testing purposes.

Gawd, Ejoslin, I'm in awe. I haven't even gotten anywhere but the conversation files in the toolset.

[ejoslin]

Oh Jenovan, you're right. I was thinking AFTER the romance started. Some fool put out that if you ever tell Zevran that it's ok to be casual that he'll never fall in love. Another fool put out there that if you push him for love, he will never fall in love. Yes, in order to get him to fall in love, he needs to be romanced and his approval has to be above 91+. But whether you tell him it's casual or if you want more, that doesn't matter.

[ejoslin]

Sannox wrote...

I can test it on a male elf, but he's not a city elf - would that matter?

Yes, he needs to be a city elf.  Dalish and Mages don't get this dialog.  Thank you though for the offer!

[Creature 1]

jenovan wrote...
Hmm, we don't really know anything about his relationship with his ambush party, do we? She worked for him, and that's about all we know. (Unless there's some dialogue somewhere to be missed!)

There's not.  I always figured she's a Crow, although some of the muscle probably were local mercenaries.