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[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

I've seen a lot of people do that, Ejoslin. People can hardly complain if it is stated that this is a beta put up for testing purposes.
Gawd, Ejoslin, I'm in awe. I haven't even gotten anywhere but the conversation files in the toolset.

Ok, I'll put it up on DANexus then.  YAY!  It's actually pretty fun to do this.

[soulsweeper87]

@Ejoslin, would it help if I tested it with CEF romancing Alistair? From the description of the mod I gather the dialogue should just remain unchanged in this case?

[Sabriana]

There is no dialogue. She never came off as something other than another Crow operative. She's in it for the job, nothing else.

As for the others, well, could be assassins, but with a mix of local riff-raff mixed in, just as Creature says.

[soignee]

Zevranites, please help me. I'm trying to write my fanfic, and got to the part where Zevran shows up. The romance is quite important to my brusque duster (Brosca/Zevran OTP!) and I really do not want to mess it up.



I'm stuck writing him, and since I am rubbish at save games I can't go back and redo dialogues to play them through. Is there a way of replaying dialogue or reading it somewhere? I'd prefer the first, as the VA is very good at saying one thing and sounding another.



(fanfic for curious here: http://www.fanfictio..._Duster_Walking ...Zev shows up in the last 2 chapters. The rest is Dust Town violence and my Brosca being the duster that she is...)

[Sabriana]

You can only read them in the toolset afaik, Soignee. I'm guessing you don't have it? If you do I'll gladly tell you how to access the Zevran convo files.

[Creature 1]

dream_operator23 wrote...
then it gets ruined when it is clear that Zevran doesn't feel the same, not for a long time anyway.

He's just in denial! 

[Sresla]

All the dialogue can be viewed and copied from the toolset. Including the meet Zevran on the Long Road portion.

Edit: I was usurped!

Modifié par Sresla, 29 mars 2010 - 02:13 .

[soignee]

Sabriana wrote...

You can only read them in the toolset afaik, Soignee. I'm guessing you don't have it? If you do I'll gladly tell you how to access the Zevran convo files.

yes please!<3

[highcastle]

dream_operator23 wrote...

Well maybe I should just hold off on the sex with Zevran then, if it is only a casual thing to him. To my character sex with Zev means so much more than that, and I guess that is where some of the hurt feelings come in. I don't hate Zevran, in fact my characters tend to go head over heals for him, but then it gets ruined when it is clear that Zevran doesn't feel the same, not for a long time anyway.

I think you can make a case that he feels that way right from the beginning. He's just not comfortable with those feelings and tries to deflect with humor. Remember that before you even get the massage offer, Zevran asks what you plan for him in the future. He also asks if he'd be permitted to stay with you, and he's clearly uncomfortable through the whole conversation. I always took this to mean that he was falling in love even back then, but didn't realize/accept it.

[MorGothic]

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: @morgothic YAY! Thank you!  But this is when you come back to the Alienage, so it can't be a new character.  I don't think?  I don't know the console well enough!

Course it can,  It's possible to beat the game with a level 1 character using the console.

Right so you want a male CE in relationship with either Morri () or Li...

Better?



Also the MorpGen isn't limited, its got alot of options (FAR more then the ingame Gen) and it's easy to use, thats the first Morph I've made other then just mucking about about. The lack of Hairstyle's is annoying, I have the More Hairstyles mod but most those are female or anime style rubbish...

[Sabriana]

dream_operator23 wrote...

Well maybe I should just hold off on the sex with Zevran then, if it is only a casual thing to him. To my character sex with Zev means so much more than that, and I guess that is where some of the hurt feelings come in. I don't hate Zevran, in fact my characters tend to go head over heals for him, but then it gets ruined when it is clear that Zevran doesn't feel the same, not for a long time anyway.

Zevran is a recently liberated slave, who worked for an assassin guild so powerful, they run Antiva. It would be very out of character for him to change immediately. Remember, all he knows is the ways of the Crows. (heh, it rhymes).
Leliana was also a murderer, a thief, a spy, and a seducer. But when your PC meets her, she already has had 2 years to change her way of thinking.

Zevran is only just starting. It is logical that he needs time, patience, and understanding. He has to learn everything. Not re-learn, but start from scratch.

I have no doubt that he starts falling in love with the warden quite early on. However being brainwashed since the age of 7 that deeper feelings are reckless and dangerous, makes him fight falling in love every step of the way.

[ejoslin]

soulsweeper87 wrote...

@Ejoslin, would it help if I tested it with CEF romancing Alistair? From the description of the mod I gather the dialogue should just remain unchanged in this case?

soulsweeper87, that would be AMAZING of you to do that for me.  It's my one concern -- that the Alistair romance will not quite go as it should.  I had make a change to his dialog (I added a flag where his comment would only trigger if he were in a romance).  Thank you so much!  

Edit: Yes, his romance dialog should remain completely unchanged.

Modifié par ejoslin, 29 mars 2010 - 02:15 .

[Sabriana]

soignee wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

You can only read them in the toolset afaik, Soignee. I'm guessing you don't have it? If you do I'll gladly tell you how to access the Zevran convo files.

yes please!<3

Firing up the toolset now. Hang on. It takes a while on my machine. I just want to make sure I don't give you any wrong advice.

[Sabriana]

Okay, here we go, Soignee



Fire up the toolset

Go to the "Palette Window"

Click the little speech-bubble called "Conversations"

In the field below the icons (search field) type Zevran

Click on the arrow beside the search field (where you just typed into)

Click a checkmark nexht to "Hide Folders"

Double-click zevran_main



Voila. No worries, it opens up "read only". You won't be messing anything up unintentionally.

[Ramante]

Sabriana wrote...

I'm still a bit unsure with this BM stuff. I keep messing up, lol. It's entirely my ignorance, I keep messing up on the timing. I'm getting better though. Ahh, the pleasure of the learning curve.

I keep using it on things that don't have blood, I even used 'Blood sacrifice' on Shale and was wondering why it didn't work. The thing I also forget is the fact that I use life force to cast spells, so sometimes my mage is almost dead before I realize it. o.o'



My pc is freakin' me out. I just played DA:O for an hour and suddenly the game just stopped and Windows gave me the 'DA:O is no longer working.' image. And now everytime I try to restart the game he gives me a 'DA:O doesn't work, looking for a way to repair it.' (direct translation,so it might not make much sense). My game is dead apparently. *tries very hard not to cry*

[MorGothic]

Sabriana wrote...

dream_operator23 wrote...

Well maybe I should just hold off on the sex with Zevran then, if it is only a casual thing to him. To my character sex with Zev means so much more than that, and I guess that is where some of the hurt feelings come in. I don't hate Zevran, in fact my characters tend to go head over heals for him, but then it gets ruined when it is clear that Zevran doesn't feel the same, not for a long time anyway.

Zevran is a recently liberated slave, who worked for an assassin guild so powerful, they run Antiva. It would be very out of character for him to change immediately. Remember, all he knows is the ways of the Crows. (heh, it rhymes).
Leliana was also a murderer, a thief, a spy, and a seducer. But when your PC meets her, she already has had 2 years to change her way of thinking.

Zevran is only just starting. It is logical that he needs time, patience, and understanding. He has to learn everything. Not re-learn, but start from scratch.

I have no doubt that he starts falling in love with the warden quite early on. However being brainwashed since the age of 7 that deeper feelings are reckless and dangerous, makes him fight falling in love every step of the way.

I know this has been said before:

Leliana may have had a 2 year head start on Zev, but she lies to you about her past and her enjoyment of killing, sonetihn that Zev never does. This to me makes the whole relationship/friendship seem cheap and she doesn't tell you she is a bard until you ask/suss it out and even then she hides why she left from you.

I belive thats because the Warden give him he one thing he's never had: A Choice...

[soignee]

Sabriana wrote...

Okay, here we go, Soignee

Fire up the toolset
Go to the "Palette Window"
Click the little speech-bubble called "Conversations"
In the field below the icons (search field) type Zevran
Click on the arrow beside the search field (where you just typed into)
Click a checkmark nexht to "Hide Folders"
Double-click zevran_main

Voila. No worries, it opens up "read only". You won't be messing anything up unintentionally.

thankkkk you! I gots to download the toolset first, lulz

[ejoslin]

dream_operator23 wrote...

Of course we the players know he is falling in love because we know the story now, but how can my characters tell? Besides that one time he asks what you plan to do with him when all of this business is finished, I can't tell at all that he is falling in love. And he asks you that even if you are just a friend, so that doesn't mean love anyway. I remember asking Zevran about love after sleeping with him for the first time and he got angry and said there was no room for love in his life. I know he has had a hard life, but this always makes my characters feel that he doesn't want them around anymore. I guess I just play my characters too vulnerable because that always tears them up inside to hear.

He wasn't angry in that dialog...  he was pretty agitated, but it certainly wasn't angry, nor did he back off.  In fact, if you get him to "adore" or wait for him to offer, you'll find that a dialog choice opens with him that normally doesn't until he's at friendly.  Little things like that shows that he trusts the warden.  Also, even at 100 adore, when you click on him, you get comments like "I am yours," and "Si amora."

[Sabriana]

True enough, MG. A lot of players don't seem to care that Leliana lies to the PC quite shamelessly, and keeps up the lie until much later in the game. Zevran not only never lies, he also keeps asking for reassurance in about every turn of the relationship.

[Sabriana]

You're welcome, Soignee. If you hit a snag, MorGothic is a talented toolset installer profi. Unfortunately, his great advice is buried in this thread... somewhere.

[Sannox]

dream_operator23 wrote...

When I first got DA:O, one of the things I was most excited about was romancing Zevran. I didn't know much about the game or Zevran at all (I was remaining spoiler-free until after my first play-through). It wasn't what I was expecting though. Ever after my first playthrough, I have had a hard time ever romancing Zevran again. I just can't do it. To me it just seems that he is trying to seduce the Warden so that she (or he, but I have never romanced him as a guy character so I can't comment on that romance) will keep him close. When he calls me beautiful, it just rings false to my ears. I know he has called every other woman that he wants to use the same thing. I keep thinking back to how I met him with that apostate wrapped around his finger, obviously kept close because she was powerful. I'm not any different to him.

I know at the very end he really does love me and I can tell, but I just can't get to that point anymore, because everything leading up to it feels like he is using me...even the sex. I remember that in my very first play-through one time I went to him and he was like, "Work, work, work..." I know it is supposed to be funny, but my character didn't find it funny at all. So having sex with her was work, huh? And I still have a hard time with all of the people he used then killed, even if he didn't have a choice in it...it still bothers me.

I want to like Zevran romantically, but I just can't get past that feeling of being lied to and used.

I got quite a different feeling from him first time.  What really struck me was that he seemed to be the only companion who was really caring about how my character felt, rather than himself.   He doesn't ask you to go on any quests for him.   He doesn't even need any gifts at all.   (My first character still had his gifts in her bag, because she didn't know how things would play out and kept them in case his approval went down.  They were never needed).

I agree that his flirty lines are bad, but I found that funny and charming.  'Work, work, work' came across as the opposite to me - the PC had asked him to have sex, and he's pretending it's a boring duty when it's so obviously not (his approval goes up every time you have sex).   It's a bit of a dismal job, being a Grey Warden, and he tries to cheer you up and make you laugh.   When he recites poetry it's not to seduce you, but because he's seen that you look unhappy and wants to make you happier. 

I don't think he really used people for sex before killing them.  I think sex was one of the few really good things in his life, and one way he could connect to people for a short time.  He also seems to be giving and sex is one of the things (about the only thing) that he can give.  I don't get the impression that he would want to have sex with somebody who didn't want to have sex with him.   I didn't feel that he was trying to seduce my wardens for his own safety.  I think it's genuinely about shared pleasure - he's attracted to you, and he wants to do something for you. 

I felt less used by him than the other companions.   He's the most selfless, and the most focused on the warden, I think. 

ETA: and that seemed apparent to my first character from the beginning, but I can see how possibly a different character might see his actions differently though.   By the end, though, I think it's clear that he's been falling in love since the first tent time.

Modifié par Sannox, 29 mars 2010 - 02:33 .

[ejoslin]

Hmmmm, maybe it's just me, but my characters always feel absolutely adored by Zevran. I think it's the first conversation he has about the future, where he makes it clear that, if you go that route, he thinks he'd like something lasting with the warden as well.

[Sabriana]

Ramante wrote...

Sabriana wrote...
I'm still a bit unsure with this BM stuff. I keep messing up, lol. It's entirely my ignorance, I keep messing up on the timing. I'm getting better though. Ahh, the pleasure of the learning curve.

I keep using it on things that don't have blood, I even used 'Blood sacrifice' on Shale and was wondering why it didn't work. The thing I also forget is the fact that I use life force to cast spells, so sometimes my mage is almost dead before I realize it. o.o'

My pc is freakin' me out. I just played DA:O for an hour and suddenly the game just stopped and Windows gave me the 'DA:O is no longer working.' image. And now everytime I try to restart the game he gives me a 'DA:O doesn't work, looking for a way to repair it.' (direct translation,so it might not make much sense). My game is dead apparently. *tries very hard not to cry*

Oh ugh! :crying:I am so very sorry, Ramante, I really hope there is a solution to this. *pat-pats Ramante on the shoulder*

I do the same thing with my BM, by the way.