35177 réponses à ce sujet

[MorGothic]

Sabriana wrote...

You're welcome, Soignee. If you hit a snag, MorGothic is a talented toolset installer profi. Unfortunately, his great advice is buried in this thread... somewhere.

Thankfully I know the program you need and the fact that the problem is normally MSXL 6.0. So fixing it would be no problem.

*Grumble* I reworked that Spike Morp for a reason you know...tell me what you think...<_< (it's in an ealier post...)

[Creature 1]

Ramante wrote...
My pc is freakin' me out. I just played DA:O for an hour and suddenly the game just stopped and Windows gave me the 'DA:O is no longer working.' image. And now everytime I try to restart the game he gives me a 'DA:O doesn't work, looking for a way to repair it.' (direct translation,so it might not make much sense). My game is dead apparently. *tries very hard not to cry*

Your saves are probably still fine, try backing those up before reinstalling.  Locations can be found here. 

[Creature 1]

dream_operator23 wrote...
I remember asking Zevran about love after sleeping with him for the first time and he got angry and said there was no room for love in his life. I know he has had a hard life, but this always makes my characters feel that he doesn't want them around anymore. I guess I just play my characters too vulnerable because that always tears them up inside to hear.

My most thought-out character would never ask Zevran about love because he knows mention of it would trigger a knee-jerk reaction like that.  He spends most of the story hiding how attached he is because he's afraid if he doesn't Zevran will bolt.  He has similar anxieties to your characters but figures they're probably all going to die soon so he'll take what he can get and hope for more. 

[jenovan]

dream_operator23 wrote...

Of course we the players know he is falling in love because we know the story now, but how can my characters tell? Besides that one time he asks what you plan to do with him when all of this business is finished, I can't tell at all that he is falling in love. And he asks you that even if you are just a friend, so that doesn't mean love anyway. 

Hmm... that makes me wonder what options you picked in that convo! 
My first character (not knowing how all the romances were set up) played through that conversation with kind of oblivious answers, thinking that Zevran was only around for his own safety -- "you could go if you wanted", "why would you want to stay?".. and it was when you ask him the latter that you get a glimpse of what he wants.  I thought that was really touching, actually, but of course, your mileage may vary.

On the other hand, if you tell him he's welcome as a friend, he immediately asks about being more than friends, if I recall correctly, and there are two chances to bring that up in that convo.  It's one of the things that may prompt someone to wonder if he IS hiding his feelings, that he brings this subject up so very early.

[Sabriana]

Oh wow. It's simply amazing. I've played through about 5 times now, and I just got a banter I've not heard before. Alistair and Shale. Alistair tells Shale about eating birds, and Shale says she's going to be sick. Alistair is all exited about seeing "Golem vomit".

My PC is intrigued. What does golem vomit look like? Is it little rocks, sand, and gravel?



I'll keep my fingers crossed Ramante.

[Sannox]

Yes, and remember that the last time he heard somebody talking about love he spat in their face as they bled to death. The warden doesn't know it at the time, but obviously mentioning love straight after the intimacy of sex (and the resulting 'confusion' of his feelings) is going to bring back that memory. I don't think he's angry at all, but he is uncomfortable, and makes it clear to the warden where he stands.



I know that the PC doesn't know all that at the time, and his reaction might seem a bit off. But I don't think he ever presents himself as offering love. He doesn't try to mislead the warden in order to sleep with him/her at all. Meanwhile, he's absolutely loyal and caring as a friend.

[jenovan]

dream_operator23 wrote...

How does Zevran make you feel adored? I want to feel that way, but to me it always feels like he is just flattering me. I don't know why, but I think it has to do with the more I find out about his past. I always hate when he tells me the story about the mage (especially if I am playing a human mage), because the whole thing is just so cold. And he gets angry if you tell him he is cold, but likes it if you approve of his actions. I just can't approve of stuff like that.

And I am not a Zev hater, I swear. I love him and I think that is why his actions hurt so much. I just can't see his romance the way some people do. I don't feel adored by him until the very end.

Heh, in pure numbers, it's easy to make up for Zevran getting angry at you.  It's perfectly realistic to disapprove of his actions, and sometimes one gets the impression that he tells you some of these stories pretty straightforwardly to get them out in the open, to tell you exactly what kind of person he has been, and what he's done.  He doesn't un-romance you for that (well, I suppose unless you get into actual negative numbers!)... maybe he even expects it.   But it's fair enough if his background is too much for a PC to take.  He's very up-front and unapologetic about it.

(The mage story, though?  Really? XD  She tried to outmaneuver him -- succeeded -- and then died by accident.  I always thought that and the story about the raid on the prince were meant to be comments on his luck more than anything.)

[Addai]

dream_operator23 wrote...

How does Zevran make you feel adored? I want to feel that way, but to me it always feels like he is just flattering me. I don't know why, but I think it has to do with the more I find out about his past. I always hate when he tells me the story about the mage (especially if I am playing a human mage), because the whole thing is just so cold. And he gets angry if you tell him he is cold, but likes it if you approve of his actions. I just can't approve of stuff like that.

And I am not a Zev hater, I swear. I love him and I think that is why his actions hurt so much. I just can't see his romance the way some people do. I don't feel adored by him until the very end.

I don't think you're wrong in feeling that way- if there even is "wrong" in perceiving these characters.  It is part of Zevran's story arc that he can't admit to or experience love until he is free from the Crows and can begin to picture a future again.  My current character took his pulling back from her as a sign that he wasn't going to be able to love her, and it did hurt her.  It's painful as a player to see him fighting it so much.  However, it just makes it that much sweeter (IMO) when there is a breakthrough.  The fact that it didn't come easy makes it feel more real.

To compare to the Alistair romance, it starts out very sweet, but there is a middle ground where reality intrudes, and there as well Alistair is not able to give the PC what a lover should.  He becomes kind of distant and business-like.  And unless there is metagame or extreme serendipity, that's how it will end, too.  If there is a breakthrough, it becomes touching again, at least to a degree (it never really gets back to the rose).

To me these are signs of the realness and depth of these stories, that they are not easy or predictable.

[Creature 1]

dream_operator23 wrote...
See, why would I want to hide that I love him? I want an honest open relationship. I don't want someone to bolt if they think I love them. How is that feeling adored?

Never said it was.  My character feels on tenterhooks for the longest time.  If your characters can't deal with that, don't romance him. 

[MorGothic]

@ejoslin

I tested your mod...had just Morri with me...blah wedding blah...then I said "The wedding never went ahead" and then you get a view sort of outside the level then the graphic's freak out big time and you have to completely close the game...

The grahpical mess seesm to being coming from around the three Elven women at the back of the crowd.

Can anyone else confirm this? I have used the console to get this far so I suppose that could be a problem...

*Edit*

Outside view happens no matter the option picked foe me...then the graphic's go to hell...

Also

Better? Yes or No? (do you need a compasion picture?)

Modifié par MorGothic, 29 mars 2010 - 03:15 .

[Sannox]

dream_operator23 wrote...

How does Zevran make you feel adored? I want to feel that way, but to me it always feels like he is just flattering me. I don't know why, but I think it has to do with the more I find out about his past. I always hate when he tells me the story about the mage (especially if I am playing a human mage), because the whole thing is just so cold. And he gets angry if you tell him he is cold, but likes it if you approve of his actions. I just can't approve of stuff like that.

And I am not a Zev hater, I swear. I love him and I think that is why his actions hurt so much. I just can't see his romance the way some people do. I don't feel adored by him until the very end.

I'm sorry, I keep being too slow with my typing, so this reply will probably be out of date!

I've thought a lot about the mage story.   It's not cold at all, not on his part.  I think he starts to fall for her.  He feels enough for her in that one night that he is going to risk leaving her alive and pleading her case to the Crows.   It turns out that she was using him, in the sense of seducing him  to get her own way (quite understandably, of course - he'd been sent to kill her).   If anyone was being cold it was her. It worked, because he felt too much to kill her. 

I think all the companions secretly enjoy the act of  killing.  If you listen to them in battle, they're having a great time.  They all want to be chosen to go out with you, and they don't fuss at all if they have to kill people rather than darkspawn.   Zevran is the only one who is honest about it.   It's what he was raised to do.  If he'd been a soldier nobody would care that he'd killed people.  I don't think you have to approve as such. 

I think his adoration is in his actions, rather than what he says (although the clues are there in what he says do) - he does things for you instead of asking you to do things for him.  Even the way he attacks enemies that were attacking my wardens makes them feel protected. 

[jenovan]

Eeeeek, good luck getting the game straightened out, Ramante! 

dream_operator23 wrote...

Yes, if you ask Zev why he would want to stay, then he stumbles and says something about maybe the two of you becoming fond of each other. If you tell him that you could always use a friend though, he just says he thinks he would be happy to be thought of as such by you. No indication of anything more there.

Now that's interesting -- that sounds like a different set of paths than what I've gotten, perhaps because the romance hasn't been initiated yet?  I know that in my game I'd already gotten the "I fancy you" dialogue from Zevran (which also comes up quite early -- it's one of the first things you can talk about, although getting there is sort of non-obvious) and responding positively to that starts the romance.

Pasting for posterity: 

Zevran: My question pertains to what you intend to do with me once this business is over with.  As a point of curiosity.

-one alternative:
PC: You could go, if you wanted.
Zevran: Could I? And what if I didn't wish to leave?
PC: Why wouldn't you go, if you had the chance?
Zevran: It is difficult to say.  Is there no one I might stay for?

-another alternative:
PC: I could always use a friend.
Zevran: Not... more than friends?

[Sabriana]

We're still in the Deep Roads. There were two chest real close to one another. I clicked on Zevran to open one chest, clicked on my PC, walked 2 steps and clicked on Zevran again. So I could... research his blurbs. Yes. That's it. Research



What? Who says I'm obsessed? You lie!

[Sabriana]

MC, is there any way to make him a tad younger? Although I'm sure he'll look different in-game. More Spike-like. Other than that, pretty good job, I say.

[Sannox]

dream_operator23 wrote...
See, why would I want to hide that I love him? I want an honest open relationship. I don't want someone to bolt if they think I love them. How is that feeling adored?

That is a problem.   My first character was pretty clueless about love - she was delighted to have a loyal friend 'with benefits'.  She obviously wouldn't have been talking about love after the first night together.   But by the time of the Landsmeet, she'd realised that she did feel something more and she wanted to tell him.  The trouble is that there is no way for your character to do that.   You are forced to play the character as holding out on him.   (Which is why I feel so uncomfortable about refusing the earring - your character is forcing him into admission but won't make an admission themselves at that point).  I don't know if my characters would necessarily say 'I love you', but given the chance, they would say something before he did.    It's he who has the problem with his concept of love, not your character, so your character should be able to admit it, if they recognise it.   It's frustrating that there's no way to do that.

So what that means is that his love has to play out against a character who is not admitting that they care deeply for him (so he doesn't know what you feel for him).  In that case, it's a big step for him to take the risk and admit it first. 

(But I do sympathise with your frustration there).

Modifié par Sannox, 29 mars 2010 - 03:30 .

[jenovan]

dream_operator23 wrote...

I just get disappointed when I actually try to talk to him about love.

It may be a liiiittle bit meta, or not, but it's interesting to note that when Zevran replies to you about love, he's pacing agitatedly as he does so -- it's one of the only examples I can think of where one of the companions is actively moving when you're talking to them.  Bringing up love obviously hit a nerve with him, whereas even calling him cold and uncaring to his face, while making him angry, certainly won't make him move around.  There's definitely something happening to him there...  but it may certainly still be off-putting!

[Ramante]

So I got my game working again... ever since I installed that new patch the game is just terrible, it shuts down at least twice an hour. (thanks everyone for mental support)



Just had Zev (and Oghren) for the first time in the Fade. Big squee (not for Oghren)! For some silly reason Sloth desided that Zev was the most dangerous and he went after him, my mage had to force field Zevran to keep him save. o.o'

And just when Zev makes a beautiful Sloth killing move... the game shuts down, again!

[Addai]

dream_operator23 wrote...
And I completely understand why he wouldn't want to love me, but it doesn't make it any easier to take.

But he does!  At least, the going interpretation around these parts is that he is falling in love with the Warden from the beginning.  He just isn't able to recognize/admit it until he is free from the Crows and able to get perspective on his life.  As he tells you eventually, everything in him says that to love another is wrong, to be that vulnerable is to die, and he has been steeped in an environment where love and the words/actions of love are used for manipulation.  Affection is either something that can get you killed or it is something that is twisted and used.  Living in that kind of milieu from day one has got to **** with your brain.

It depends on how you play your character whether your PC is able to see through him.  It seems that any PC could, however, recognize that such a terrible upbringing would leave a person scarred.  The thing my current mage PC didn't know is if he would ever be able to get beyond it.  And, happily, he does.  Even to the end, he doesn't expect that you really want him.  He thinks it reasonable that you would choose anything else other than to be with him.  When you can finally make him believe otherwise... 

The screenshot!



Even prior to this point, though, any PC ought to be able to see that Zevran at least has affection for them.  He is very protective, for one, and gives approval for going to the tent whereas Alistair and Morrigan only do so the first time (not sure about Leli).  He is hardly uncaring or cold.  More screenshot proof...

[Sabriana]

jenovan wrote...

dream_operator23 wrote...

I just get disappointed when I actually try to talk to him about love.

It may be a liiiittle bit meta, or not, but it's interesting to note that when Zevran replies to you about love, he's pacing agitatedly as he does so -- it's one of the only examples I can think of where one of the companions is actively moving when you're talking to them.  Bringing up love obviously hit a nerve with him, whereas even calling him cold and uncaring to his face, while making him angry, certainly won't make him move around.  There's definitely something happening to him there...  but it may certainly still be off-putting!

I think that's a defining moment, personally. He is very agitatet, and it feels like he is trying to convince not only the warden but also himself that nothing has changed. I believe that even before going to the tent he starts caring. Not love, or interest, or even adoring, but he gets an inkling that things are changing, and he wants to stave them off.

My PCs ask about love, not because they are in love with him, but they are curious. Most of them are quite surprised at his animated reaction. The only time he reacts so forcefully.

[MorGothic]

Sabriana wrote...

MC, is there any way to make him a tad younger? Although I'm sure he'll look different in-game. More Spike-like. Other than that, pretty good job, I say.

There an annoying lack of a middle ground between these to images.
file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/delete/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.png


I will have to think about it...and the lips need changing I think

Who should I do next? Suggestions?

*edit*
Ive got no idea what the file thing is about I can't eidt it because I can't see it...<_<

*edit 2*

To put the correct image in...

Modifié par MorGothic, 29 mars 2010 - 03:55 .

[soignee]

Thanks for the toolset help!

I come bearing Zev/F!Brosca fan arts also: http://pics.livejour...oe/pic/0006wxbf

Thanks again

*goes off to poke toolset again*<3

[Sabriana]

soignee wrote...

Thanks for the toolset help!

I come bearing Zev/F!Brosca fan arts also: http://pics.livejour...oe/pic/0006wxbf

Thanks again

*goes off to poke toolset again*<3

Sweet! I like it, Soignee.
We need some space for Zevran fan-art in the group as well. Pfft. Where is Sresla when you need him?

I'm so sorry Ramante. I never patched, and reading all of this, I think I'll wait.

Yeah, MG the lips need changing. Can you make his hair white? Other than that, it's looking nice. I need to find out how to do that. Of course, the advice Jenovan gave is buried now, and I'll have to search for it. *sigh*.