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[Charsen]

Nonvita wrote...
But will it be compatible with transsexuals? Sandor has something (s)he needs to tell everyone...

ENCHANTMENT!? 

[sami jo]

Nonvita wrote...

Charsen wrote...

edit: and yes, dwarves will be included, and to some degree females will be included too. i won't do too much with females...i'll leave that to more experienced hands. but i will convert the m/m scenes that work with females.
 

But will it be compatible with transsexuals? Sandor has something (s)he needs to tell everyone...

ROFLMAO  Well, if you are going to change gender, look good while doing it.

[MorGothic]

Sresla wrote...

Do Malcolm Reynolds next, Mor. I might
even be able to be convinced to play a girl if you do a Kaylee (Zev sexy
time won't be near as fun though).

senorfuzzylips wrote...

Ooh, that one looks good. Maybe his nose needs a bit of tweaking (little wider bridge, tip turned down a touch or widened maybe...), otherwise very nice!

And I second a Captain Mal one next

I forgot about his nose to be honest, but thats an easy fix when I get around to it.

Hmm I suppose I could give Mal a go...

@ Nonvita - I see this...

[soignee]

naughty zev pics I can do! huzzah. I will be your "straight girl judge" Charsen... Can I use scorecards? Oh man I got an image of your mage as Johnny Weir now...



*goes off to draw some Zev sexings*

*will be sorry to the no vag crowd if I end up drawing my Brosca with Zev as I cannot quit that*

[Nonvita]

MorGothic wrote...

@ Nonvita - I see this...

So it is just me... Well now I want to know why I'm seeing Sandor in my profile! (Not that it's bad having such a sexy guy show up in there, just unexpected...) This site is weird.

[TheComfyCat]

Charsen wrote...

ohh soignee's gonna draw us some dirty zev pics!
yes, i would need some advice for the female sexing, ...lol. i am just adjusting the male hips..downward and the rest should be basically the same.. but a female oh-face?  i'll just throw some face animations on it & wait for some feedback... lol.

lol. And feedback sounds like fun

[Sannox]

dream_operator23 wrote...
Yeah, I accepted it when he first gave it to me. Again, I am not going to play games with him and I don't want to hurt his feelings.

Yes, I felt exactly the same the first time round, and I'm still torn over it.   There isn't any option to say what you feel - only the option to try to force him into saying what he feels.    If you're refusing his gift just to force a confession, but you aren't prepared to give one yourself, then yes, It feels like gameplaying to me too.   I really hate that there is no option to just take the earring and tell him what you feel. 

But if you do accept the earring (and I did with my first character.  I couldn't bear to hurt him), he still will confess what he feels back at camp.  He can't offer the earring again, but I think the conclusion is just as satisfying.   But I know that's not a popular view :

ETA: And when you give him gifts, you don't give them as a token of affection, so why should you expect him to?   It's a case of not having the right dialogue options - like it or not, your character holds out on him, which makes it difficult to expect more from him. 

Modifié par Sannox, 29 mars 2010 - 09:19 .

[ejoslin]

I think telling him that you only want it if it means something IS telling him you feel more for him. If you didn't love him, why wouldn't you take the gift as a reward for helping him? I think it's one of the few times you're actually telling him you really care for him.

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

I think telling him that you only want it if it means something IS telling him you feel more for him. If you didn't love him, why wouldn't you take the gift as a reward for helping him? I think it's one of the few times you're actually telling him you really care for him.

Yeah, considering he doesn't actually get angry (besides a little grumbling and a few lost approval points) and he still offers it again, I don't think he takes it in a bad way. Especially if the Warden asked about love after the first tent scene, I think the ball has already been put in Zevran's hands. He's the one who turned down the possibility of love there, so he's the one who has to finally allow things to move to that level. He knows when you turn down the ring that it's because he's the one who's been unwilling to really allow things to move forward.

[TheComfyCat]

Up until that point neither of you have made it clear that you're looking for any type of commitment. Having sex does not mean you're in a real relationship, after all, not to mention the fact that prior to the Taliesen encounter Zevran isn't ready for one anyway. So I think it's fair to ask him for more at that point.. since he's so uncomfortable bringing up his feelings still, he makes it very unclear whether the earring means something or not (which it does, regardless of whether or not the gifts you've given him before mean something similar).

My characters are afraid that if Zevran doesn't realize that they want it to mean something, he'll be happy to keep things as they are, or will at least keep skirting the issue. Give an inch they'll take a mile, ya know?

Edit: why does the formatting always fail for me... sigh.

Modifié par senorfuzzylips, 29 mars 2010 - 09:35 .

[Addai]

Sannox wrote...

ETA: And when you give him gifts, you don't give them as a token of affection, so why should you expect him to?   It's a case of not having the right dialogue options - like it or not, your character holds out on him, which makes it difficult to expect more from him. 

The earring is different for me.  If he just said "here, I want to give you something meaningful to me" and left it at that, my PC would probably take it no questions asked.  But he starts out saying it means something to him, then he says "sell it, give it away, whatever you want to do with it..."  That's when my PC does a double-take and says "uh, what?"  Even the most naive among them can see at that point what he's doing and don't want to let him get away with it.  If you take it on that basis, you're allowing the facade to stand, even saying that you prefer the facade.

[Sresla]

Nonvita wrote...

But will it be compatible with transsexuals? Sandor has something (s)he needs to tell everyone...

(image removed because it's too bizarre for me to copy/paste ~Sresla)

That is... something. I actually think I might have been rendered speechless. Maybe this does imply that I am indeed too pretty.

Edit:

Sannox wrote...

Yes, I felt exactly the same the first time round, and I'm still torn over it.   There isn't any option to say what you feel - only the option to try to force him into saying what he feels. If you're refusing his gift just to force a confession, but you aren't prepared to give one yourself, then yes, It feels like gameplaying to me too. I really hate that there is no option to just take the earring and tell him what you feel.

Oh, I don't know... depending on how you view the Taliesin fight and your dialogue choices there, you ARE coming out and saying how you feel (though it might depend on how much perceived passion goes into the choice 'Zevran belongs with me now' - for me, that's doing almost the same thing that Zevran is unable to do, saying that you love him). It's the "wear it, sell it" line that results in the turn down - it's not even that he can't say it's a token of affection (because I could overlook that, even) but that he's trying to pass it off as a thank you for helping him defeat the Crows rather than any emotional attachment he has to you. If anything, it's the conversation that comes afterwards that seems somewhat out of place - where he DOES say he's surprised you think of him as more than a friend. Really? REALLY Zevran? After all the verbal foreplay for months and months on the road... and that I might be madly, even passionately in love with you is a surprise? Now who's in denial! And you think I'm letting you off the hook with a 'wear it sell it?'

Modifié par Sresla, 29 mars 2010 - 10:08 .

[Sannox]

But you don't have the option of telling him it means something to you. You can only say that you'll refuse it unless it means something to him. Back at camp, he's still unsure about what you feel. It seemed to be the same conversation regardless of whether you refused. So he doesn't take your refusal as a confession of love.



The way the conversations go, you never really do confess what you feel before then. He's the one who says he'll be with you till death, if you want him. You never say that to him. So I think there is a gap between what you feel as a player and what your character actually says (and therefore, what he knows about what your character feels).



Senorfuzzylips, I can see why your characters would be afraid that he would keep things as they are - going on past experience with him, that's what they'd expect. But he doesn't - if you accept the earring, he still refuses to go to the tent, and admits what he feels.

@Nonvita, I don't see him as angry either, but I do see him as hurt which feels worse. I hate it! I don't want to cause him pain (in the non-fun way), when he has been so completely devoted. I still haven't decided what I'm going to do next time he offers.

[TripLight]

To me, when he first offered the earring it seemed as it was just a present, simple gift for freeing him of the Crows. When you question "so it's not a token of affection", I think it really hits him right there, throughout all the months of travel with you, what you mean to him. And of course because he hasn't felt something like that so strongly, he becomes scared and nervous, and lashes a bit. But the PC calling him on that really gets him to open his eyes and mind.

[Kaioku]

Somebody stop me =___= I need to stop drawing and go to bed NOW, I need sleep damn it, just knock me out with I frying pan I beg you!

[Sannox]

Addai67 wrote...

Sannox wrote...

ETA: And when you give him gifts, you don't give them as a token of affection, so why should you expect him to?   It's a case of not having the right dialogue options - like it or not, your character holds out on him, which makes it difficult to expect more from him. 

The earring is different for me.  If he just said "here, I want to give you something meaningful to me" and left it at that, my PC would probably take it no questions asked.  But he starts out saying it means something to him, then he says "sell it, give it away, whatever you want to do with it..."  That's when my PC does a double-take and says "uh, what?"  Even the most naive among them can see at that point what he's doing and don't want to let him get away with it.  If you take it on that basis, you're allowing the facade to stand, even saying that you prefer the facade.

But the facade doesn't stand.  He just needs a bit of time, but he will admit what he feels whether or not you accept the earring. 

He does give an explanation for his reticence, but even without that there have been plenty of clues along the way.  All the stories about the Crows, the mage story, the Rinna story, explain why he might hold back on admitting the feelings to himself, even though he shows them.   When he does admit them to himself, he admits them to you, whether or not you've accepted the earring.    But when he offers it, I don't think he's quite admitted it to himself, so he can't explain properly at that point. 

If it was anyone else, not admitting it might be a fear of commitment, maybe.  That's not the case for him - he has no trouble at all with making a commitment.  But love doesn't have good associations for him.

[Raiynsong]

Hi guys!



Not going to even TRY to read everything right now. I'm just going to be "missing time" as it were.

The desktop is still fried but apparently it's got a boot sector virus still on it (other stuff has been cleared) so a friend is going to be working to clear that off sometime this week. In the meantime I can play pretty much a vanilla game on my laptop but can't download all the DLC's due to disk space issues (it's a windows sector on my Macbook Pro so it's not too big). At least I can play the game itself with some dialog tweaks AND at least my geekfriend tells me that ALL my files are recoverable Even IF he has to reinstall everything rather than just curing the bootvirus, so things ARE looking up.



I must say I'm a bit underwhelmed by the "announcement" . Winning prizes is ok, I guess, but I would have been happier with some CONTENT

[Nonvita]

Sresla wrote...

That is... something. I actually think I might have been rendered speechless. Maybe this does imply that I am indeed too pretty.

Er, I was about to make a comment like that, but seeing the teary eyes suggests otherwise... At least he looked manlier than all my girls! Well, maybe tied with my HN... I mean, uh, er, well... *not sure how to respond to this* I do think he's sexy, and I appreciate you letting me borrow(?) him for awhile, and I really have no idea what happened, and I promise to never imply things about his gender again!

Sannox wrote...

@Nonvita, I don't see him as angry
either, but I do see him as hurt which feels worse. I hate it! I don't
want to cause him pain (in the non-fun way), when he has been so
completely devoted. I still haven't decided what I'm going to do next
time he offers.

Hm, I don't see him as hurt so much as indignant. He really was hoping he could get away with not admitting things, and when you call him out on it he gets huffy. Like other people said, if you let him get away with not saying things then he'll probably take it for granted. It's what comes easily. Maybe the Warden hasn't had the chance to say "I love you" up until that point, but there have been plenty of ways to admit having feelings. Asking about love, choosing Zevran over someone else, things you can say to Taliesin- all of them scream "Hey I care about you!" The fact that Zevran is still trying to play things off as casual, despite every indication that they aren't, means he does need a little prodding to actually admit things.

That said, I do think the ending is still beautiful if you don't turn down the earring. It really just depends on how you play your character. The way I handled his relationship on my first character was so ****** poor that I certainly can't critique other people for little things like this.

[TheComfyCat]

Sannox wrote...

Senorfuzzylips, I can see why your characters would be afraid that he would keep things as they are - going on past experience with him, that's what they'd expect. But he doesn't - if you accept the earring, he still refuses to go to the tent, and admits what he feels.
 

He does admit how he feels (in his own way), but I don't think you get the same level commitment unless you actually get the proposal. But in that extra bit of dialogue, both the Warden and Zev really end up with their hearts on their sleeve, making it the more satisfying ending for me.

When Zevran says (very hopefully, which is cute), "not unless you wish it," I translate that as "I wish it if you wish it," which pretty much makes it one of the clearest declarations of his feelings that you can get, lol.

[ejoslin]

Sannox wrote...

But you don't have the option of telling him it means something to you. You can only say that you'll refuse it unless it means something to him. Back at camp, he's still unsure about what you feel. It seemed to be the same conversation regardless of whether you refused. So he doesn't take your refusal as a confession of love.

The way the conversations go, you never really do confess what you feel before then. He's the one who says he'll be with you till death, if you want him. You never say that to him. So I think there is a gap between what you feel as a player and what your character actually says (and therefore, what he knows about what your character feels).

Senorfuzzylips, I can see why your characters would be afraid that he would keep things as they are - going on past experience with him, that's what they'd expect. But he doesn't - if you accept the earring, he still refuses to go to the tent, and admits what he feels.
@Nonvita, I don't see him as angry either, but I do see him as hurt which feels worse. I hate it! I don't want to cause him pain (in the non-fun way), when he has been so completely devoted. I still haven't decided what I'm going to do next time he offers.

The conversation after in camp is a friendship dialog, not a romance dialog.  There's the romance starter line in it, like many of his dialogs, but that conversation goes the best if you don't take it.  You get it at 76+ friendly or 91+ love.

And the way the conversation goes, if you're turning down the earring because it's not a token of affection and you'll only take it if it means something...  he's already told you what the earring means to him, so it seems to mean you're saying you only want it if it's more than just a thank you gift.  And he takes it that way as well.

Edit: The conversation at the camp, if you tell him twice you consider him a friend, he gives one of the most powerful declarations in the game -- and it's one of friendship.  I never take the romance starter line because the friendship is SO powerful.

Modifié par ejoslin, 29 mars 2010 - 10:14 .

[Charsen]

Kaioku wrote...
Somebody stop me =___= I need to stop drawing and go to bed NOW, I need sleep damn it, just knock me out with I frying pan I beg you!

no violence but here's a much nicer way to fall asleep.


edit: stupid bbcode

Modifié par Charsen, 29 mars 2010 - 10:18 .

[Kaioku]

T__T *weeps a little*
thanks charsen, you're sweet. :>


alright... pff. truth be told I KNOW I won't sleep until I have this finished and at least one comment from one of you regarding the crack I'm apparently on to do this strip, so what the heck. :3

Modifié par Kaioku, 29 mars 2010 - 10:19 .

[Nonvita]

Charsen wrote...

no violence but here's a much nicer way to fall asleep.


edit: stupid bbcode

Eyes... feeling... droopy....

Darn it, Charsen, I'm at work!

@Kaioku: Crack is Whack. Or didn't you know?

Modifié par Nonvita, 29 mars 2010 - 10:20 .

[Sannox]

Sresla wrote...

Oh, I don't know... depending on how you view the Taliesin fight and your dialogue choices there, you ARE coming out and saying how you feel (though it might depend on how much perceived passion goes into the choice 'Zevran belongs with me now' - for me, that's doing almost the same thing that Zevran is unable to do, saying that you love him). It's the "wear it, sell it" line that results in the turn down - it's not even that he can't say it's a token of affection (because I could overlook that, even) but that he's trying to pass it off as a thank you for helping him defeat the Crows rather than any emotional attachment he has to you. If anything, it's the conversation that comes afterwards that seems somewhat out of place - where he DOES say he's surprised you think of him as more than a friend. Really? REALLY Zevran? After all the verbal foreplay for months and months on the road... and that I might be madly, even passionately in love with you is a surprise? Now who's in denial! And you think I'm letting you off the hook with a 'wear it sell it?'

But when did you say it?  I'm going to look out for it when I play through this time, but I don't think the PC every truly admits what they feel - they might call him a friend or say they want him to stay, but not  much more than that.  Look at that conversation just before the earring - about the strongest thing you can say is that you'd be put out if he left, or that you'd be glad if he stayed.   While he answers that he will stay until you tire of him, or one of you dies.  Who's holding out there?   I'm just saying. 

'Wear it, sell it' could also be seen as taking the pressure off you - he's not asking for it to mean something to you.  He just wants to give it.    I don't think he actually wants you to sell it.   He doesn't really try to pass it off as a reward for helping him (if you suggest it is, he doesn't agree - he just tells you to take it).  

[TripLight]

Ok..Zev just told Daiya about Rinna and his last mission, would anyone like screenshots?