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[Rhinna]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

also did the fade dream with zevran in the party today I find it odd how hes cowering in fear and shaking while my noble beats the tar out of those Demon elves for doing what looked like something out of an S&M movie to him also I loled at his wood nymph comment when the party reunites

I found that odd too - all other times he just wades in fearlessly leaving a trail of corpses behind him - the cowering and shaking was SO OOC for him IMO.

Oh...and I am on the "Tall dark and handsome" Zev bandwagon

[ejoslin]

Rhinna wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

also did the fade dream with zevran in the party today I find it odd how hes cowering in fear and shaking while my noble beats the tar out of those Demon elves for doing what looked like something out of an S&M movie to him also I loled at his wood nymph comment when the party reunites

I found that odd too - all other times he just wades in fearlessly leaving a trail of corpses behind him - the cowering and shaking was SO OOC for him IMO.

I found it, hmmm, more of an interesting insight into his character.  The wood nymphs comment obviously about how he uses the sexual comments to hide things that discomfort him, and how deep the scars really ran regarding his past. A lot of his stories that sound at first like boasting really are not -- at one point if you tell him he's been through a lot he just says that they're old scars, ignore them as he does and perhaps they'll go away.  But obviously, they have not.

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

Rhinna wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

also did the fade dream with zevran in the party today I find it odd how hes cowering in fear and shaking while my noble beats the tar out of those Demon elves for doing what looked like something out of an S&M movie to him also I loled at his wood nymph comment when the party reunites

I found that odd too - all other times he just wades in fearlessly leaving a trail of corpses behind him - the cowering and shaking was SO OOC for him IMO.

I found it, hmmm, more of an interesting insight into his character.  The wood nymphs comment obviously about how he uses the sexual comments to hide things that discomfort him, and how deep the scars really ran regarding his past. A lot of his stories that sound at first like boasting really are not -- at one point if you tell him he's been through a lot he just says that they're old scars, ignore them as he does and perhaps they'll go away.  But obviously, they have not.

I always love reading your insights, because they make me love Zevran so much more. I finally got around to taking him through the Fade with me, and got to see this, and I was a little disappointed with the execution. It seemed a little *sillier* than it should have, somehow. But I liked the idea behind it- that the proudest moment of his life was enduring torture just to become a Crow. I just wanted to give him a hug...

I wonder how old he was when he went through that joining process. If they acquired him at 7, he was probably only a teen/young adult when it actually took place. It's terrible to think about someone so young going through that.

[Creature 1]

So to migrate the topic from the Leliana thread, what do you guys think Zevran's take on bondage/S&M is??  I think that might just freak him out, no matter what he suggests in conversation.  Answers including "Give the man some privacy!" are acceptable. 

[caldur06]

There's zero romantic appeal. Zilch.

I found everything about him incredibly insulting. Everything about him was every single stereotype you could thrust onto a gay/bi character. He's an elf. He's sleazy, overly aggressive, sexual about every single thing in the world and can hardly hold is tongue about it for even have a second. He had only to open his mouth once, and when his purse fell out, my heart sank like a rock. I didn't expect a lot from an m/m romance in this game, but I didn't want to be slapped across the face with the most flamboyant character in the game. At least those two gay blacksmiths had the ability to leave you slightly uncertain about their relationship. I'm surprised Zevran didn't have a limp wrist and a lisp. 

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

So to migrate the topic from the Leliana thread, what do you guys think Zevran's take on bondage/S&M is??  I think that might just freak him out, no matter what he suggests in conversation.  Answers including "Give the man some privacy!" are acceptable. 

I think Zevran will do whatever pleases his partner, and if that includes S&M, he'd do it. and probably enjoys it.  But I also get the feeling if his partner was not into it, it wouldn't be a loss to him.

I've thought about the PC and Zevran in a casual sex relationship, even while their feelings towards each other are growing.  Even the way he approaches her.  I think this is one thing he knows he can give her, it's something that he knows he does well.  Even though he makes it pretty clear it's casual, or at least he's trying to keep it casual, it's still about and for the PC, not him.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 janvier 2010 - 01:48 .

[Nonvita]

Creature 1 wrote...

So to migrate the topic from the Leliana thread, what do you guys think Zevran's take on bondage/S&M is??  I think that might just freak him out, no matter what he suggests in conversation.  Answers including "Give the man some privacy!" are acceptable. 

I for one hope it wasn't just bluffing. :innocent:

caldur06 wrote...

There's zero romantic appeal. Zilch.

I found everything about him incredibly insulting.
Everything about him was every single stereotype you could thrust onto
a gay/bi character. He's an elf. He's sleazy, overly aggressive, sexual
about every single thing in the world and can hardly hold is tongue
about it for even have a second. He had only to open his mouth once,
and when his purse fell out, my heart sank like a rock. I didn't expect
a lot from an m/m romance in this game, but I didn't want to be
slapped across the face with the most flamboyant character in the game.
At least those two gay blacksmiths had the ability to leave you slightly uncertain about their relationship. I'm surprised Zevran didn't have a limp wrist and a lisp. 

Really? I'm perfectly comfortable playing the relationship the straight way, so I definitely don't think he's some gay stereotype. And his sleazy qualities certainly don't reflect it, either. (For one, he only ever flirts with the female NPCs.) Yeah, he has a wilder personality than the others, but he becomes a way deeper character the more time you spend talking to him, and there are plenty of people who have found both straight and gay relationships with him to be completely satisfying. So it's fine if you don't like him, but there's a lot more going on with him than you seem to think.

[jenovan]

Creature 1 wrote...

So to migrate the topic from the Leliana thread, what do you guys think Zevran's take on bondage/S&M is??  I think that might just freak him out, no matter what he suggests in conversation.  Answers including "Give the man some privacy!" are acceptable. 

Ooh, interesting. XD
I think he'd be willing to play along with some mild kink, whether he's in the position of dom or sub, and would probably enjoy it -- especially if his partner was enjoying it as well. I don't know that he would go for harder stuff, though... being forced into a submissive role or being  on the receiving end of a sadist's jollies might remind him way too much of the past, and it's hard to imagine him really relishing torturing someone, either.   Not someone he cared about anyway, and not in a sexual way.

My 2 coppers. ;D

[Namirsolo]

I find the "gay stereotype" argument kind of frustrating, honestly. For one thing, he acts more "masculine" than the straight romance option for girls. You don't see Zevran whining to Wynne that he can't even take care of himself. For another, sleeping around was just as big of a part of Zevran's job as it is of Leliana's and everyone seems to forgive HER for seducing people, but not him. Also, David Gaider has said that once Zevran is in a relationship with the PC, he is just as loyal as any other romance option is. So, he's not effeminate, he's not going to sleep around once he's in love, and sleeping around had been a vital part of his survival before. So, maybe we don't have the same idea of what a gay stereotype is?

Anyway, I'm doing my first mage playthrough (female mage) and I had a good laugh when we encountered Cullen in the tower the second time. He went on his rant about lusting after my PC, and Zevran responded with "Well, someone was quite the little heartbreaker when she was an apprentice, my my."

Oh and about bondage and s/m- sure, why not? I don't think Zevran is bluffing when he says he's open-minded.

And one more thing- I must be the only Zevran fan who hasn't modded his appearance. I don't really see the point in it. It seems like most of the mods make him look like a girl. lol

Modifié par Namirsolo, 28 janvier 2010 - 02:12 .

[ejoslin]

Namirsolo wrote...

I find the "gay stereotype" argument kind of frustrating, honestly. For one thing, he acts more "masculine" than the straight romance option for girls. You don't see Zevran whining to Wynne that he can't even take care of himself. For another, sleeping around was just as big of a part of Zevran's job as it is of Leliana's and everyone seems to forgive HER for seducing people, but not him. Also, David Gaider has said that once Zevran is in a relationship with the PC, he is just as loyal as any other romance option is. So, he's not effeminate, he's not going to sleep around once he's in love, and sleeping around had been a vital part of his survival before. So, maybe we don't have the same idea of what a gay stereotype is?

Anyway, I'm doing my first mage playthrough (female mage) and I had a good laugh when we encountered Cullen in the tower the second time. He went on his rant about lusting after my PC, and Zevran responded with "Well, someone was quite the little heartbreaker when she was an apprentice, my my."

Oh and about bondage and s/m- sure, why not? I don't think Zevran is bluffing when he says he's open-minded.

And one more thing- I must be the only Zevran fan who hasn't modded his appearance. I don't really see the point in it. It seems like most of the mods make him look like a girl. lol

In truth, I think Zevran is the most likely to be faithful to the PC, moreso than Alistair or Leliana.  He certainly takes a breakup the hardest, by far.

[Nonvita]

Namirsolo wrote...

I find the "gay stereotype" argument kind of frustrating, honestly. For one thing, he acts more "masculine" than the straight romance option for girls. You don't see Zevran whining to Wynne that he can't even take care of himself. For another, sleeping around was just as big of a part of Zevran's job as it is of Leliana's and everyone seems to forgive HER for seducing people, but not him. Also, David Gaider has said that once Zevran is in a relationship with the PC, he is just as loyal as any other romance option is. So, he's not effeminate, he's not going to sleep around once he's in love, and sleeping around had been a vital part of his survival before. So, maybe we don't have the same idea of what a gay stereotype is?

Anyway, I'm doing my first mage playthrough (female mage) and I had a good laugh when we encountered Cullen in the tower the second time. He went on his rant about lusting after my PC, and Zevran responded with "Well, someone was quite the little heartbreaker when she was an apprentice, my my."

Oh and about bondage and s/m- sure, why not? I don't think Zevran is bluffing when he says he's open-minded.

And one more thing- I must be the only Zevran fan who hasn't modded his appearance. I don't really see the point in it. It seems like most of the mods make him look like a girl. lol

I agree with you on all your points!

And I haven't modded his appearance, either. I've looked, and the dark haired ones are lovely (oh how I love dark hair!), but somehow I just can't imagine him any other way.

[caldur06]

Nonvita wrote...

Really? I'm perfectly comfortable playing the relationship the straight way, so I definitely don't think he's some gay stereotype. And his sleazy qualities certainly don't reflect it, either. (For one, he only ever flirts with the female NPCs.) Yeah, he has a wilder personality than the others, but he becomes a way deeper character the more time you spend talking to him, and there are plenty of people who have found both straight and gay relationships with him to be completely satisfying. So it's fine if you don't like him, but there's a lot more going on with him than you seem to think.

no, I played through his storyline. I know everything about him. doesn't make me like him any more- in fact, it makes me like him less. especially the way he expresses his interest in you (as a guy) and then immediately apologizes and "hopes that you don't mind." I mean, if he were confidant and secure in himself, like he's apparently supposed to be, then his attraction to men shouldn't matter at all, but it never rang to me as anything deeper. it just sounded like he's apologizing for his sexuality, and that's about the only thing I never, ever want hear a game tell me.

I'd have even been happier if he were outright, flamboyantly gay (sequins and feather boa optional). at least then it'd be like "woah, not something you see every day." as it is, though, he's just one of another lackluster character who was chosen to be bi because he's a) slight of build,  a shameless sexual omnivore, and c) not human. 

I have yet to see a game that has a "cute, shy" character like Allister, or "strong, silent" character like Sten, be gay/bi. Zevran was lying on the ground, trying to get me to spare him and "oh, by the way Caldur, he's gaaaaaaaay!" seriously, he just puts it out there that he thinks I'm handsome. hardly through the very first conversation I have with him, bam. just announces that he's gay. bi. whatever.

I was extremely unimpressed with him overall. he had no unique storyline, no effect on the plot, no unique model, armor, or even hair. everything about him felt carefully tailored to be utterly forgettable and completely nonthreatening to the straight guys playing (even down to Zevran trumpeting his sexuality for the world to see), because he confroms to every preconcieved notion available of what a gay/bi guy should be. I don't necessarily hate him because he's too sleazy, immature, or flamboyant. I hate him because of everything that he represents.

Modifié par caldur06, 28 janvier 2010 - 02:42 .

[Jayelet]

For Ejosli

I read in another post you say that the romance with Zevran ends at the end of the game, I do not think so, why?

1 .- Zevran stand still and wait for your loved one succumb to the infection, I do not think that will do everything possible to find a way to slow down or eliminate it.

2 .- The character to stay and wait for the crows decide Zevran attack, when up to you, doing nothing, I doubt much, my characters would not. One being that after an entire army to unite to defeat the arch-fiend. Do not try to finish before the threat of crows on Zevran?



I think that can only be done in a module, but it would be a good adventure.

[ejoslin]

caldur06 wrote...
no, I played through his storyline. I know everything about him. doesn't make me like him any more- in fact, it makes me like him less. especially the way he expresses his interest in you (as a guy) and then immediately apologizes and "hopes that you don't mind." I mean, if he were confidant and secure in himself, like he's apparently supposed to be, then his attraction to men shouldn't matter at all, but it never rang to me as anything deeper. it just sounded like he's apologizing for his sexuality, and that's about the only thing I never, ever want hear a game tell me.

I'd have even been happier if he were outright, flamboyantly gay (sequins and feather boa optional). at least then it'd be like "woah, not something you see every day." as it is, though, he's just one of another lackluster character who was chosen to be bi because he's a) slight of build,  a shameless sexual omnivore, and c) not human. 

I have yet to see a game that has a "cute, shy" character like Allister, or "strong, silent" character like Sten, be gay/bi. Zevran was lying on the ground, trying to get me to spare him and "oh, by the way Caldur, he's gaaaaaaaay!" seriously, he just puts it out there that he thinks I'm handsome. hardly through the very first conversation I have with him, bam. just announces that he's gay. bi. whatever.

I was extremely unimpressed with him overall. he had no unique storyline, no effect on the plot, no unique model, armor, or even hair. everything about him felt carefully tailored to be utterly forgettable and completely nonthreatening to the straight guys playing (even down to Zevran trumpeting his sexuality for the world to see), because he confroms to every preconcieved notion available of what a gay/bi guy should be. I don't necessarily hate him because he's too sleazy, immature, or flamboyant. I hate him because of everything that he represents.

I guess he works better as a female romance, because he doesn't come off as any of these things in a M/F romance.  He actually comes off as the most devoted, strongest, and caring romance partner.  I would think the male romance would not be that much different, especially after he falls in love, and definitely after he declares his feelings, but I suppose everyone sees him differently.

The thing I like about Zevran is he doesn't keep his mouth shut.  He has important things to say in just about every area, is not shy about speaking for the group, is proud and happy of his relationship with the PC, in which he is amazingly giving and sensitive.

But I suppose that would not work for everyone!

Edit: You can find out he hits on Morrigan as a bet (which he eventually wins), Leliana, at least in a female playthrough, is so obnoxious it doesn't come across as serious, Oghren, well, it's Oghren and just to mess with him, and Wynne, it is very obviously a deflection since she is so nasty and judgemental towards him.  But again, it may play very differently in a male playthrough.  But there are guys on here who seem just as devoted to him as the more vocal fangirls.  Are you sure you went through to the very end, after he fell in love?

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 janvier 2010 - 02:56 .

[Cuddlezarro]

the M/M part of the relationship with zevran if you tell him you arnt interested unlike a certain bard who will go unnamed he will back down



and unlike the F/M relationship he doesnt flirt with you right off the bat unless you pick that "what do you fancy" line and thats only back at camp

[Namirsolo]

no, I played through his storyline. I know everything about him.
doesn't make me like him any more- in fact, it makes me like him less.
especially the way he expresses his interest in you (as a guy) and then
immediately apologizes and "hopes that you don't mind." I mean, if he
were confidant and secure in himself, like he's apparently supposed to
be, then his attraction to men shouldn't matter at all, but it never
rang to me as anything deeper. it just sounded like he's apologizing
for his sexuality, and that's about the only thing I never, ever want
hear a game tell me.

I'd have even been happier if he were outright,
flamboyantly gay (sequins and feather boa optional). at least then it'd
be like "woah, not something you see every day." as it is, though, he's
just one of another lackluster character who was chosen to be bi
because he's a) slight of build,  a shameless sexual omnivore, and
c) not human.

Interesting, because being flamboyant would actually make him a stereotype. And as far as him "apologizing" for coming onto you, that's a safeguard that the writers put it for homophobic people who might feel pigeon-holed into his relationship. I don't really think you can read anything into that. It's just a side effect of the society we live in.

Also, his tattoo is unique to him. So there goes your "nothing unique about him" complaint. The only thing unique about Alistair is his hair, and as far as I know there is nothing at all unique about Leliana.

Some of us do find him endearing. I see that you don't, but that doesn't mean that he's a stereotype. And Zevran is no more a "shameless sexual omnivore" than Leliana is. Also, how can be shameless if you just said you thought he was apologizing for finding your pc attractive?

[ejoslin]

Jayelet wrote...

For Ejosli
I read in another post you say that the romance with Zevran ends at the end of the game, I do not think so, why?
1 .- Zevran stand still and wait for your loved one succumb to the infection, I do not think that will do everything possible to find a way to slow down or eliminate it.
2 .- The character to stay and wait for the crows decide Zevran attack, when up to you, doing nothing, I doubt much, my characters would not. One being that after an entire army to unite to defeat the arch-fiend. Do not try to finish before the threat of crows on Zevran?

I think that can only be done in a module, but it would be a good adventure.

OOOOOH, no, you misunderstand me.  It is COMPLETE, not over -- their romance definitely has built and what they have will last forever.  I think he and the PC can have many fantastic adventures; however, I am not holding my breath with the new expansion to cover any of that.

And I agree, those would be two amazing expansions.

Edit: The thing is, as devoted as so many of us are to Zevran, there are probably just as many devoted to Leliana and to Allistair and even Morrigan.  While the Zevran epilogue of rebuilding the grey wardens makes it sound like he will be a pivotal part of any expansion, I just don't think it will happen.  And as far as the actual romance goes, they've fallen in love, he has made it clear that he wants nothing but to be with her wherever she goes . . . I'm worried that they'll ruin that, because it doesn't get any more perfect.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 janvier 2010 - 03:13 .

[Namirsolo]

And I agree, those would be two amazing expansions.

Speaking of the expansion, it looks l ike the romances are carrying over in Mass Effect 2 (even if the character you are romancing isn't a full-fledged party member.) Hopefully they will take this same route with the Dragon Age expansion!

I'm hectically trying to recreate the games I had saved on my ps3 on the pc since I decided to switch. I have to hurry up and do it before March 17th. heh

[Cuddlezarro]

And as far as the actual romance goes, they've fallen in love, he has made it clear that he wants nothing but to be with her wherever she goes . . . I'm worried that they'll ruin that, because it doesn't get any more perfect.

im guessing they will use the "zevran is targeted by the crows" plot thread as an excuse for why Zevran is little more than a cameo but I doubt they will just outright ignore the romance options (unless you romance morrigan but she deserve a sequel or her very own expansion)

[ejoslin]

Namirsolo wrote...

And I agree, those would be two amazing expansions.

Speaking of the expansion, it looks l ike the romances are carrying over in Mass Effect 2 (even if the character you are romancing isn't a full-fledged party member.) Hopefully they will take this same route with the Dragon Age expansion!

I'm hectically trying to recreate the games I had saved on my ps3 on the pc since I decided to switch. I have to hurry up and do it before March 17th. heh

Ohoh, I can only hope.  I would be ok with the romance being acknowledged in a serious way, and not ended.  I would be delighted if I could continue the adventure with him, especially since he does in every single ending I see (hahahaha) become a recruiter/trainer for the Grey Wardens.  I think he'd be great at that.  Just as amoral as Duncan!

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

And as far as the actual romance goes, they've fallen in love, he has made it clear that he wants nothing but to be with her wherever she goes . . . I'm worried that they'll ruin that, because it doesn't get any more perfect.

im guessing they will use the "zevran is targeted by the crows" plot thread as an excuse for why Zevran is little more than a cameo but I doubt they will just outright ignore the romance options (unless you romance morrigan but she deserve a sequel or her very own expansion)

Yeh, unfortunately I can see them having him go back to Antiva and the Grey Wardens, no matter what, having an extremely powerful ally there in the new leader of the Crows.  That's why I'm not allowing myself to hope too much for anything else.  Especially since that is pretty much guaranteed to happen in a lot of cases.

[jenovan]

Namirsolo wrote...
I'm hectically trying to recreate the
games I had saved on my ps3 on the pc since I decided to switch. I have
to hurry up and do it before March 17th. heh

Good luck!  I had to do that earlier this month with just one game -- so glad to have switched, though!

ejoslin wrote...
Ohoh, I can only hope.  I would be ok with the romance being acknowledged in a serious way, and not ended.  I would be delighted if I could continue the adventure with him, especially since he does in every single ending I see (hahahaha) become a recruiter/trainer for the Grey Wardens.  I think he'd be great at that.  Just as amoral as Duncan!

Okay, that last bit made me lol. ;D

My ideal for the expansion was that Zevran makes a cameo as a trainer with the Wardens (as implied by that ending), but maaaybe he's so busy doing that that he can't come with you. ;( 

[Creature 1]

Namirsolo wrote...
Oh and about bondage and s/m- sure, why not? I don't think Zevran is bluffing when he says he's open-minded.

If I were ever tied up and tortured I think the prospect of being in that kind of situation again would cause total panic.  It's also not something I think the Crows would have to get accustomed to, since if you're planning on killing a person letting yourself get tied up by them seems inadvisable. 

[highcastle]

caldur06 wrote...

Nonvita wrote...

Really? I'm perfectly comfortable playing the relationship the straight way, so I definitely don't think he's some gay stereotype. And his sleazy qualities certainly don't reflect it, either. (For one, he only ever flirts with the female NPCs.) Yeah, he has a wilder personality than the others, but he becomes a way deeper character the more time you spend talking to him, and there are plenty of people who have found both straight and gay relationships with him to be completely satisfying. So it's fine if you don't like him, but there's a lot more going on with him than you seem to think.

no, I played through his storyline. I know everything about him. doesn't make me like him any more- in fact, it makes me like him less. especially the way he expresses his interest in you (as a guy) and then immediately apologizes and "hopes that you don't mind." I mean, if he were confidant and secure in himself, like he's apparently supposed to be, then his attraction to men shouldn't matter at all, but it never rang to me as anything deeper. it just sounded like he's apologizing for his sexuality, and that's about the only thing I never, ever want hear a game tell me.

I'd have even been happier if he were outright, flamboyantly gay (sequins and feather boa optional). at least then it'd be like "woah, not something you see every day." as it is, though, he's just one of another lackluster character who was chosen to be bi because he's a) slight of build,  a shameless sexual omnivore, and c) not human. 

I have yet to see a game that has a "cute, shy" character like Allister, or "strong, silent" character like Sten, be gay/bi. Zevran was lying on the ground, trying to get me to spare him and "oh, by the way Caldur, he's gaaaaaaaay!" seriously, he just puts it out there that he thinks I'm handsome. hardly through the very first conversation I have with him, bam. just announces that he's gay. bi. whatever.

I was extremely unimpressed with him overall. he had no unique storyline, no effect on the plot, no unique model, armor, or even hair. everything about him felt carefully tailored to be utterly forgettable and completely nonthreatening to the straight guys playing (even down to Zevran trumpeting his sexuality for the world to see), because he confroms to every preconcieved notion available of what a gay/bi guy should be. I don't necessarily hate him because he's too sleazy, immature, or flamboyant. I hate him because of everything that he represents.

I disagree completely. I understand that Zev's not to everyone's taste, but I found him to be a really positive character. Yes, he comes across as sleazy and sex-crazed. But if you do take the time to really get to know him, you find out there's so much more to his character. The bottom line: he's damaged goods. He's been hurt physically and emotionally, so he shuts people down with comments he knows they'll find offensive. But when you get him in love, he's easily the most faithful character in the game.

Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I know it's easy to look at what Zevran projects and take offense, but there really are many layers to him. I also think he's a much stronger character than Alistair, who I wouldn't want as an m/m option anyway. Alistair comes across as more flamboyant than Zevran, IMO. Between his love of fashion and the delivery of some of his lines, I honestly thought the game wanted my HMN to romance Al. I much preferred Zevran, who, while frank about his appreciation for sex, is also much stronger and more mature. I don't find him sterotypical at any but the most superficial levels. If you ask me, I think BioWare played with some of the usual stereotypes and twisted them into a much stronger character who really has very little in common with the man he portrays himself to be.

And Zev's personal quest was about the only one that really had a major impact on me. Maybe because of the deal with the ring afterward or the lines he can give depending on your reaction to Talisen. It was such a great surprise the first time I did it. No impact on the story? I don't think so.

[Jayelet]

Part of the expansion to end the Crows have it written, just need more data on Antivir and crows. It's just a question of time to mount the module and adventure.


Edit: I could tell that you mean Zevran search, after Taliasin I have not found any search ... If so I would like to know how to get there.

Modifié par Jayelet, 28 janvier 2010 - 03:44 .