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What's the (Romantic) Appeal of Zevran?


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#12976
TheComfyCat

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ejoslin wrote...

The conversation after in camp is a friendship dialog, not a romance dialog.  There's the romance starter line in it, like many of his dialogs, but that conversation goes the best if you don't take it.  You get it at 76+ friendly or 91+ love.

And the way the conversation goes, if you're turning down the earring because it's not a token of affection and you'll only take it if it means something...  he's already told you what the earring means to him, so it seems to mean you're saying you only want it if it's more than just a thank you gift.  And he takes it that way as well.

Edit: The conversation at the camp, if you tell him twice you consider him a friend, he gives one of the most powerful declarations in the game -- and it's one of friendship.  I never take the romance starter line because the friendship is SO powerful.


I started taking that route with the dialogue as well. At that point I think it's important that he knows you consider him a friend and not just a lover; an equal, really. He's certainly never had that type of relationship before. And his response is...<3

TripLight wrote...

Ok..Zev just told Daiya about Rinna and his last mission, would anyone
like screenshots?


Of course! :lol:

And LOL @ your sig

Modifié par senorfuzzylips, 29 mars 2010 - 10:23 .


#12977
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@Nonvita: True enough. :D

#12978
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Just a random thought: it would be great to have a banner for us Zev Team with the same style as ejoslin's one. It's much more stylish :D

#12979
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Kaioku wrote...

T__T *weeps a little*
thanks charsen, you're sweet. :wub: :>


alright... pff. truth be told I KNOW I won't sleep until I have this finished and at least one comment from one of you regarding the crack I'm apparently on to do this strip, so what the heck. :3


whoa, gurrl, crack is not gonna help you get to bed, however it is going to make you look like amy winehouse

and stripping isn't going to help you either... ok well that WILL help you get to the bed probably... but rest may be delayed

;)

#12980
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Sannox wrote...

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Oh, I don't know... depending on how you view the Taliesin fight and your dialogue choices there, you ARE coming out and saying how you feel (though it might depend on how much perceived passion goes into the choice 'Zevran belongs with me now' - for me, that's doing almost the same thing that Zevran is unable to do, saying that you love him). It's the "wear it, sell it" line that results in the turn down - it's not even that he can't say it's a token of affection (because I could overlook that, even) but that he's trying to pass it off as a thank you for helping him defeat the Crows rather than any emotional attachment he has to you. If anything, it's the conversation that comes afterwards that seems somewhat out of place - where he DOES say he's surprised you think of him as more than a friend. Really? REALLY Zevran? After all the verbal foreplay for months and months on the road... and that I might be madly, even passionately in love with you is a surprise? Now who's in denial! And you think I'm letting you off the hook with a 'wear it sell it?' :pinched:


But when did you say it?  I'm going to look out for it when I play through this time, but I don't think the PC every truly admits what they feel - they might call him a friend or say they want him to stay, but not  much more than that.  Look at that conversation just before the earring - about the strongest thing you can say is that you'd be put out if he left, or that you'd be glad if he stayed.   While he answers that he will stay until you tire of him, or one of you dies.  Who's holding out there?   I'm just saying.  :)

'Wear it, sell it' could also be seen as taking the pressure off you - he's not asking for it to mean something to you.  He just wants to give it.    I don't think he actually wants you to sell it.   He doesn't really try to pass it off as a reward for helping him (if you suggest it is, he doesn't agree - he just tells you to take it).  


Hmmm, he doesn't answer that if you choose, "You'd better not leave, I'd be sorely put out."  He laughs and says, "I'd better stay then, lest the consequences become unseemly."  And he obviously likes that answer.

Who is holding out?  It depends on which dialogs you take the entire relationship.  You can have it fairly committed from the beginning, or you can make it as two people who are falling in love despite how hard they try not to.  You have the option to tell him, right from the start, that you think you'd like it if he stayed on after the blight.  

Again, I take turning down the earring as telling him that you want more than just a gift -- you want a commitment.  And during the friendship dialog, of course, since it's not a romance dialog, and since friendship means everything to him, you're going to get a more powerful statement if you let him know you consider him a friend as well.

When he's turning you down for the tent, you can push it, ask him if he's having second thoughts about "us."  I mean, you DO have plenty of opportunities to let him know you care, but you're also not going to get all the "I love you"s that are in the Leliana and Alistair romances.  

Edit: And as we all know now (*grin*), what Zevran responds at the gate if you tell him you love him. He can't say it.  But he does feel it.  Helping him be able to admit it to himself is such a wonderful thing for him.  I think he was falling in love the entire time, and he had no clue what that really meant.

Modifié par ejoslin, 29 mars 2010 - 10:30 .


#12981
Kaioku

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Hurr hurr, yeah guys, just don't tell me I didn't warn you in the end. :P



A little teaser here:



http://i792.photobuc...II/CIMG2928.jpg

http://i792.photobuc...II/CIMG2930.jpg



Sorry, I currently don't have a scanner, but once this is finished I promise I'll find some way to make it look decent enough. :3

#12982
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AndreaDraco wrote...

Just a random thought: it would be great to have a banner for us Zev Team with the same style as ejoslin's one. It's much more stylish :D


Oh, anyone can use it.  A guy made it for me the other day when I asked him for something purple-y and Zevran-y.  Just right clicky on it to steal it!

#12983
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Kaioku wrote...

http://i792.photobuc...II/CIMG2930.jpg


Ohh, I like the way you draw him. Sexy! :wub:

Now go to bed, missy!

Modifié par Nonvita, 29 mars 2010 - 10:40 .


#12984
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I believe Nonvita lead me to that diamond in the rough last night on a woman's hysterical review of "Twilight" the book. My sides truly hurt from laughing so much, lol!

OK there are too many to link as thumbnails so I'll just post the links.

Here is Zev telling my PC, Daiya about his last mission.

http://img694.images...10032917030.jpg

http://img717.images...10032917034.jpg

http://img690.images...10032917035.jpg Best expression I ever caught.

http://img337.images...10032917041.jpg

http://img138.images...10032917044.jpg

http://img687.images...10032917045.jpg

http://img535.images...10032917052.jpg

http://img22.imagesh...10032917052.jpg Angry, very angry

http://img132.images...10032917054.jpg

http://img218.images...10032917055.jpg

http://img12.imagesh...10032917060.jpg

http://img25.imagesh...10032917061.jpg This is very telling.

http://img97.imagesh...10032917062.jpg I did not click the 4th option highlighted, I repeat, I didn't click that option, my mouse was just running away!

Modifié par TripLight, 29 mars 2010 - 10:41 .


#12985
Kaioku

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Why thank you *g*

Edit: And no. Don't wanna. :pinched:

Modifié par Kaioku, 29 mars 2010 - 10:42 .


#12986
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For those of you who wanted Mal (don't we all;)).

That hair is the closest thing I've got to his hair style, if anyone knows/has a better one let me know.

Other then that tell me what you think. Any comments, suggestion are always welcome.

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#12987
ejoslin

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Ooooh, he's beautiful, Kaioku! I really like the way you draw him!

#12988
TripLight

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MorGothic wrote...

For those of you who wanted Mal (don't we all;)).

That hair is the closest thing I've got to his hair style, if anyone knows/has a better one let me know.

Other then that tell me what you think. Any comments, suggestion are always welcome.

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:wub:<3:wub:  Captain Tight Pants!!
Take my love.
Take my land.
Take me where I cannot stand.
I
don't care,
I'm still free.
You can't take the sky from me.

Take
me out to the black.
Tell'em I ain't comin' back.
Burn the
land
And boil the sea.
You can't take the sky from me.

Have
no place I can be
Since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the
sky from me.

#12989
Kaioku

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MorGothic wrote...

For those of you who wanted Mal (don't we all;)).

That hair is the closest thing I've got to his hair style, if anyone knows/has a better one let me know.

Other then that tell me what you think. Any comments, suggestion are always welcome.

Posted Image



YES. THIS. :wub: I've had a crush on Mal since WOAH xD
Is it possible to maybe drop his jawline a little loser? other than that, I think you caught him quite well.

and thanks @ ejoslin <3

#12990
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Sannox wrote...

'Wear it, sell it' could also be seen as taking the pressure off you - he's not asking for it to mean something to you.  He just wants to give it.    I don't think he actually wants you to sell it.   He doesn't really try to pass it off as a reward for helping him (if you suggest it is, he doesn't agree - he just tells you to take it).  

But there is also the fact that he can't even bring himself to say "this earring has meant a lot to me, but so have you."  He corrects himself and says "so have... so has what you did for me," trying to put it back on the level of paying you off for helping him with Taliesen.  At that point, my PC is also hurt!  She's thinking "you can say this earring means a lot to you, but not that I do."  Yes, she can see that he's holding back, but if what they have is no more than what he had with a Crow, where they sleep with each other, parcel out treasure and pretend there's nothing deeper, then she doesn't want to play the game.

Modifié par Addai67, 29 mars 2010 - 10:48 .


#12991
Cuddlezarro

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TripLight wrote...

MorGothic wrote...

For those of you who wanted Mal (don't we all;)).

That hair is the closest thing I've got to his hair style, if anyone knows/has a better one let me know.

Other then that tell me what you think. Any comments, suggestion are always welcome.

Posted Image



:wub:<3:wub:  Captain Tight Pants!!
Take my love.
Take my land.
Take me where I cannot stand.
I
don't care,
I'm still free.
You can't take the sky from me.

Take
me out to the black.
Tell'em I ain't comin' back.
Burn the
land
And boil the sea.
You can't take the sky from me.

Have
no place I can be
Since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the
sky from me.





Heh I have a picture of captain tightpants without any pants on :devil:

#12992
TripLight

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Cuddlezarro wrote...

TripLight wrote...

MorGothic wrote...

For those of you who wanted Mal (don't we all;)).

That hair is the closest thing I've got to his hair style, if anyone knows/has a better one let me know.

Other then that tell me what you think. Any comments, suggestion are always welcome.

Posted Image



:wub:<3:wub:  Captain Tight Pants!!
Take my love.
Take my land.
Take me where I cannot stand.
I
don't care,
I'm still free.
You can't take the sky from me.

Take
me out to the black.
Tell'em I ain't comin' back.
Burn the
land
And boil the sea.
You can't take the sky from me.

Have
no place I can be
Since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the
sky from me.





Heh I have a picture of captain tightpants without any pants on :devil:


The YoSaffBrig episode right?<3 Thank god Jayne didn't trade Vera for her.

#12993
Cuddlezarro

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TripLight wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

TripLight wrote...

MorGothic wrote...

For those of you who wanted Mal (don't we all;)).

That hair is the closest thing I've got to his hair style, if anyone knows/has a better one let me know.

Other then that tell me what you think. Any comments, suggestion are always welcome.

Posted Image



:wub:<3:wub:  Captain Tight Pants!!
Take my love.
Take my land.
Take me where I cannot stand.
I
don't care,
I'm still free.
You can't take the sky from me.

Take
me out to the black.
Tell'em I ain't comin' back.
Burn the
land
And boil the sea.
You can't take the sky from me.

Have
no place I can be
Since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the
sky from me.





Heh I have a picture of captain tightpants without any pants on :devil:


The YoSaffBrig episode right?<3 Thank god Jayne didn't trade Vera for her.


yes its a screencap and its uncencored as well :wub:

#12994
MorGothic

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Kaioku wrote...

MorGothic wrote...

For those of you who wanted Mal (don't we all;)).

That hair is the closest thing I've got to his hair style, if anyone knows/has a better one let me know.

Other then that tell me what you think. Any comments, suggestion are always welcome.

Posted Image



YES. THIS. :wub: I've had a crush on Mal since WOAH xD
Is it possible to maybe drop his jawline a little loser? other than that, I think you caught him quite well.

and thanks @ ejoslin <3


Is that what you mean?

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#12995
AndreaDraco

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ejoslin wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote...

Just a random thought: it would be great to have a banner for us Zev Team with the same style as ejoslin's one. It's much more stylish :D


Oh, anyone can use it.  A guy made it for me the other day when I asked him for something purple-y and Zevran-y.  Just right clicky on it to steal it!


It's beautiful, ejoslin. But I'm fond of the 'Team Zevran' catch-phrase. If only I knew how to make one!

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MorGothic wrote...

For those of you who wanted Mal (don't we all;)).


I think the mouth/chin is done really well. The nose to me seems a smidge off - a little too pointed whereas Mal's looks a little flatter with wider nostrils. No way to tilt the eyes down a bit in the toolset? Or is it just a higher/lower bigger/smaller wider/closer? Eyebrows, perfect. Forehead, a bit too high/long/whatever, but I'm not sure that can be altered either (like overall the head is simply too big, not a design fault of what you're trying to capture). And the hair there works.

You should be posting these in the "make morphs of famous people thread" I saw a while back, although the post may have died an early death.

Edit: The first version - chin too wide now (imo!)

Modifié par Sresla, 29 mars 2010 - 11:13 .


#12997
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Kind of, but now that I see it, the chin naturally drops along with the jaw, which makes him look slightly less attractive. :/ Either leave it as it was or try to adjust the height of the chin, if that's even possible. I guess.

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Kaioku wrote...

Kind of, but now that I see it, the chin naturally drops along with the jaw, which makes him look slightly less attractive. :/ Either leave it as it was or try to adjust the height of the chin, if that's even possible. I guess.


That's what I hate most about the male model- the chin is just unnaturally long, and you have to raise it ridiculous amounts half the time. I don't think it would hurt to lift the whole face up- the proportions are good but that way the forehead would be shorter and the chin more rounded. And agreed on make the tip and bridge of the nose wider- you can also make the nose crooked like his.

Still, great morph!

#12999
Kaioku

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@Nonvita: Thanks for your input! I'm ashamed to say that I've never bothered to make a male character, so it's good to know what awaits me once the itch comes to shag Morrigan. *g*

Maybe those rather long faces are supposed to make the characters look more mature? Or simply "older", as from another time? Physiognomy changed over the centuries, after all...

#13000
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*never has trouble making male characters that dont look horrible...elves aside*