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[ejoslin]

Mirthadrond wrote...

Likely bugged, since that character awaken epilogue said I was with a red head.

I definitely broke off relations with lelianna, to be with zevran.

He says he's staying with me in the end, but the origin epilogue says he eventually leaves.

But still, it's his sleezy nature that stops 'me' from actually liking him as a romance option.

After his story about rhina (sp?), I really found it hard to trust him romantically.

But I did honestly try.

I think in the end, other than being a cold blooded killer, he reminds me of past friends who were quite literally "dogs".
They'd sleep with anyone, even when in committed relationships.

It's hard to respect that.

He wouldn't bed anyone at the end.  You didn't get to the point where sex becomes an expression of love for him, I take it.  Because he does get to that point.  He won't even have sex with the warden until the warden promises at least some chance of a future together.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 02:32 .

[Minaleth]

Sannox wrote...

Male elf gate kiss video for anybody who is interested. I apologise for the crappy quality.  It looks much better in the game.   I think those yelllow blobs of smoke coming off them are Loghain's 'rally'.  If they're not, I don't know what they are.  It's more of an embrace than a kiss, but very sad and beautiful.   Thank you, Charsen and Ejoslin.

:wub:

[ejoslin]

Minaleth wrote...

I'm still under impression that the "choose someone" dialogue in Zevrans case is not about him being jealous but I actually believe when he says it's about the other person and they might mind the situation more than Zevran, and thus it needs to be resolved.
That is probably just one of those ambiguous things that could be interpreted in various ways according to Warden role play... I read "I am not against but don't lead on the other one" more than anything else. Different interpretations are valid as well.

The reason I don't think this, and it's odd, is he makes you choose even if you're not having sex with him.  But not only that -- he will have sex with the warden even if the warden is at 100 love with someone else; it's not until Zevran hits "adore" that he makes the warden choose.  The VO notes also say he's trying to sound like he doesn't care, but he is not quite succeeding.

But yes, it's very open to interpretation.

Edit: I have to say it again.  I've watched that ME kiss scene more times than I should have.  That has got to be the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.  Charsen, just wow.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 02:37 .

[TripLight]

Minaleth wrote...

Sannox wrote...

Male elf gate kiss video for anybody who is interested. I apologise for the crappy quality.  It looks much better in the game.   I think those yelllow blobs of smoke coming off them are Loghain's 'rally'.  If they're not, I don't know what they are.  It's more of an embrace than a kiss, but very sad and beautiful.   Thank you, Charsen and Ejoslin.

:wub:

Oh my god, I actually blushed and my heart did in fact flutter.<3

[Sannox]

Mirthadrond wrote...
But still, it's his sleezy nature that stops 'me' from actually liking him as a romance option.

After his story about rhina (sp?), I really found it hard to trust him romantically.

But I did honestly try.

I think in the end, other than being a cold blooded killer, he reminds me of past friends who were quite literally "dogs".
They'd sleep with anyone, even when in committed relationships.

It's hard to respect that.

I don't think he does sleep with anyone else during the game.  But there's no agreement that he shouldn't, is there?  There are no promises of sexual fidelity on either side, or any indication that either side would disapprove.   (Apart from his reaction to a public kiss early on, something which doesn't quite fit with the rest).  He even says that he won't cheat - that it needs to be honest.  I've always felt that if you were to tell him that you didn't want him to have sex with other people, he wouldn't dream of doing it. 

The Rinna story is really awful, but he does explain that he was a different person then, and he seems to deeply regret it. He doesn't make excuses for it, but knowing about his background, I think it's clear how he was led into acting that way.  But he trusts you enough to tell you, and to explain that you have changed his life completely.

I don't see him as sleazy.  I think that for him, sex was one of the bright, joyful things in a pretty awful life.  He gives it freely - you don't have to manipulate him with gifts. 

I think he's also the opposite of cold blooded.  He's naturally warm and giving.   He's been taught to be cold, but he can't be (and sees that as a failing) - he explains that in one of the conversations if you ask him about it.

Modifié par Sannox, 04 avril 2010 - 03:06 .

[soignee]

afternoon everyone. Spending my hours writing Zevran doin' my Brosca in Adraste's place of final rest, just because the image made me lulz.



...Anyway, how is everyone?



*goes back to fanfiction in special box*

[ejoslin]

I agree with Sannox. The only time he sleeps with anyone else in the game is when the Warden tells him to (Isabela with or without Leliana) and that is not a part of his romance. Zevran is just as faithful as the other romance partners.

Edit: Morning Soignee!

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 02:47 .

[Minaleth]

ejoslin wrote...

I agree with Sannox. The only time he sleeps with anyone else in the game is when the Warden tells him to (Isabela with or without Leliana) and that is not a part of his romance. Zevran is just as faithful as the other romance partners.

Edit: Morning Soignee!

That doesn't count if the Warden is there, does it?
...
Uh, it probably never occurred to me that three(four)some technically is sleeping with some other person ... and now I feel weird.

[ejoslin]

Minaleth wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I agree with Sannox. The only time he sleeps with anyone else in the game is when the Warden tells him to (Isabela with or without Leliana) and that is not a part of his romance. Zevran is just as faithful as the other romance partners.

Edit: Morning Soignee!

That doesn't count if the Warden is there, does it?
...
Uh, it probably never occurred to me that three(four)some technically is sleeping with some other person ... and now I feel weird.

Well, it's NOT cheating since you're TELLING him to do it.  It also is not a part of the romance.  Zevran does not have to be romanced.  And the game does not treat it as him having sex with the Warden, actually.  It has no bearing on the massage,  and you still get the alternate "haven't been to the tent" dialogs when he's forcing you to choose, when you're marrying Alistair/Anora, when you're inviting him to the tent, when he's refusing to go to the tent, etc. etc.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 03:03 .

[Minaleth]

ejoslin wrote...
Well, it's NOT cheating since you're TELLING him to do it.  It also is not a part of the romance.  Zevran does not have to be romanced.  And the game does not treat it as him having sex with the Warden, actually.  It has no bearing on the massage,  and you still get the alternate "haven't been to the tent" dialogs when he's forcing you to choose, when you're marrying Alistair/Anora, when you're inviting him to the tent, when he's refusing to go to the tent, etc. etc.

I'd prefer to say INVITING, but yeah, you are right

[soignee]

I've often wonders that if flirts with the other companions just because he knows he's not going to get anywhere... And especially because he loves the reactions. Alistair and his cluelessness, Morrigan and her fire, Leliana and her duplicity, Wynne and her indignation...Even Oghren's I'M NOT GAY EXCEPT WHEN DRUNK reactions are lulz.

I wonder though, if Leliana finally gets "desperate" enough to knock boots to take up his offer, if he would or not if he's in a romance/friend with benefits with the Warden, however...

Modifié par soignee, 04 avril 2010 - 03:07 .

[ejoslin]

soignee wrote...

I've often wonders that if flirts with the other companions just because he knows he's not going to get anywhere... And especially because he loves the reactions. Alistair and his cluelessness, Morrigan and her fire, Leliana and her duplicity, Wynne and her indignation...Even Oghren's I'M NOT GAY EXCEPT WHEN DRUNK reactions are lulz.

I wonder though, if Leliana finally gets "desperate" enough to knock boots to take up his offer, if he would or not if he's in a romance/friend with benefits with the Warden, however...

I don't think he would.  Even early in the relationship, he's pretty much all about the warden anyway.

Edit: The banters, while flirting, have far deeper meanings.  You can look at the surface of them, but that discounts a lot of what is actually there.

Besides, in a banter that was taken out of the game, Leliana calls his bluff and he backs down.  I'm going to figure out how to put that one back in!

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 03:09 .

[Minaleth]

Elps wrote...
Of all the romance options in this game, Zevran is the only one who loves unconditionally

I agree and I find it adorable. His romance has no catches, it has obstacles but no unpleasent discoveries later which is also a good thing imo.

[soignee]

gah that made no grammatical sense, goddamn it I need more tea! Heh, flirting is like breathing to Zev anyway, he can't help himself. I reckon he's still window shopping when he's in love with your Warden... He'll even flirt with crotchedy old men in a bar just because.It's Zevran, after all.

*ETA* and now I get more tea, as it appears I cannot type at all today

Modifié par soignee, 04 avril 2010 - 03:13 .

[soignee]

ejoslin wrote...

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Besides, in a banter that was taken out of the game, Leliana calls his bluff and he backs down.  I'm going to figure out how to put that one back in!

ooh please link!

[jenovan]

.... Okay, I wake up to *squeeee* Charsen's beta mod, but... I uninstalled ejoslin's original gates mod, plugged in Charsen's, and it doesn't seem to work. There's no other party_events* file in the overrides, either. What did I do? Was I too excited to install this properly? (entirely possible)

Or do you have to leave Zev at the gates to trigger the kiss? I had thought it worked either way, but I could well have missed that memo

Edit: Tried leaving him, too, didn't work... agh...   I'm working off the same save I sent to Charsen, so it should work... 

Modifié par jenovan, 04 avril 2010 - 03:23 .

[Mirthadrond]

See, as a man, I think you ladies are just reading too much between the lines.



Men are not that complicated. Really.

[Minaleth]

soignee wrote...
I've often wonders that if flirts with the other companions just because he knows he's not going to get anywhere... And especially because he loves the reactions. Alistair and his cluelessness, Morrigan and her fire, Leliana and her duplicity, Wynne and her indignation...Even Oghren's I'M NOT GAY EXCEPT WHEN DRUNK reactions are lulz.

I think he can't help it. Imo this is personality feature or something. He is witty, flirty and good with words. Why wouldn't one do something he is good at? Besides the banters are highly amusing - I think foremost for him, the reactions just add to that. And the humor deflection mechanism was mentioned in this thread many times. Combination of those things.

[Minaleth]

Mirthadrond wrote...

See, as a man, I think you ladies are just reading too much between the lines.

Men are not that complicated. Really.

We know (at least I do), but is this gonna stop us? No.  Too much fun.
Edit: Besides many things that happen in game are to be blamed on game design not at authors intentions But still ... to much fun.

Modifié par Minaleth, 04 avril 2010 - 03:18 .

[ejoslin]

Mirthadrond wrote...

See, as a man, I think you ladies are just reading too much between the lines.

Men are not that complicated. Really.

The thing is, we're not reading between the lines.  These are things that are in the game.

He actually DOES refuse to have sex with the warden until the warden promises him that they may have a future together.  If you don't make that promise, he breaks up with him/her.  This may be accompanied by a proposal of sorts.  The point is, for Zevran, sex becomes an expression of love.  This is not reading between the lines.  It's there.

The banters, again, if you listen to ALL of them, you will hear that he is actually NOT trying to bed everyone.  He is not trying to have sex with Wynne -- the talk about her magical bosom comes up when she starts trying to get him to talk about his past.  There's a banter where Leliana calls his bluff and Zevran backs down.  But also, three or four banters in with Leliana, you start to realize he's not fooled one second by the "goody two shoes" image she's portraying.  He compares her purity with his.  Alistair and Oghren, again, he's not seriously trying to get them into bed.  Voice over notes on them says he's teasing Alistair (those banters about the tattooes I think were taken out as well).

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 03:24 .

[soignee]

Elps wrote...

soignee wrote...

gah that made no grammatical sense, goddamn it I need more tea! Heh, flirting is like breathing to Zev anyway, he can't help himself. I reckon he's still window shop when he's in love with your Warden, even crotchedy old men in a bar just because.

I see it differently. Zev uses humour & flirting to deflect attention away from himself and to get information from others. He is good at flirting - he was trained to be, in the same way Leiliana uses her feminine wiles to make a mark comfortable in order to get what she wants. Zev uses this to avoid answering questions about himself and also to get the others guard down. It works - other companions think he has a one-track mind & stopped wondering when he was going to stab the Warden in the back.

I agree with this too... I still say it's like breathing to him, as he's used to the reactions they give and likes it, because it puts people where he wants.

[ejoslin]

What Elps said.

I actually have asked my husband if I was looking too much into things. HE'S the one who convinced me that by the time Zevran talks about Rinna, he was far more serious than he was letting on.

Edit: the fact that much of what we're saying is confirmed by the notes in the toolset says a lot as well.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 03:30 .