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[jenovan]

Mirthadrond wrote...

See, as a man, I think you ladies are just reading too much between the lines.

Men are not that complicated. Really.

But there are men here in the thread who are enjoying the nuances of the romance just as much.   I imagine most of them are still asleep at this hour, though. XD

Got the mod to work.... Edit: see my next post ;D

Anyway.... words fail.  
Charsen, that is a squeefully beautiful bit of directing; there's just so much emotion in it... agh. <3

I actually like the long sad!Zev at the end, it's as if he's finally realizing, or admitting, something... but I can see what you mean about it being a bit long.  I think the part I like best is when he opens his eyes slowly at the end -- maybe shorten the time before that, while he's looking down?  I dunno. XD;

I found the camera action a little fast, but nothing terrible. (I just wonder what sort of screenshots I can manage! XD) 

Absolutely wonderful work.

Modifié par jenovan, 04 avril 2010 - 03:55 .

[Minaleth]

Me thinks that admitting we overanalyze a bit sometimes is in place. *shrugs and has more fun in thread*

[ejoslin]

jenovan, zevran_main should NOT have interfered with the mod at all unless Charsen added something. THAT is worrisome to me -- could you double check that? Zevran_main would be from either DT or from Zevring.

Edit: I know my mod deliberately does not touch zevran_main.  Hmmmmmm.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 03:47 .

[soignee]

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: the fact that much of what we're saying is confirmed by the notes in the toolset says a lot as well.

could someone please teach me how I access this, I can only see the combat dialogue? Or link a step by step guide that's written in crayon, or something? Charsen linked one abnd I still failed at it so badly.

I'd love to peruse them at my leisure... Will draw a nice pic of Zevran not wearing much as a way of thanks. <3

[jenovan]

Ah, no, I found what it is, ejoslin -- I wasn't aware of this either, but the kiss won't trigger unless you pick the "I love you" line. ;D  Which makes sense, I suppose, but ... but... I like the other lines too! XD

(The zev dialogue files are probably from zevring.)

[ejoslin]

soignee, I could not explain it any better than Charsen does. But I'll try.



First:

File => manage modules

Select "new"

put a new name, for instance WorkingDirectory in both the "name" and the "UID" lines and hit "ok"

highlight your new module and pick "hierachy"

click the box next to "single player" and ensure it has a check and hit "ok"

now make sure that your new module is highlighted and pick "open"



You should now have access to everything. Hit the conversations icon in the palette window.

If you want to make changes to particular dialogs, you have to right click on the file and select "check out".

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

Ah, no, I found what it is, ejoslin -- I wasn't aware of this either, but the kiss won't trigger unless you pick the "I love you" line. ;D  Which makes sense, I suppose, but ... but... I like the other lines too! XD

(The zev dialogue files are probably from zevring.)

whew!  You just saved me a few hours of work tracking down the problem!  

According to the scripting notes, the kiss is supposed to trigger after every goodbye, but remember that this is alpha.  If it's too much of a hassle for Charsen because according to him it's a huge PITA to add this, I'll hound him to give me instructions so I can do the rest of them!

Edit: That is, if he'll let me...

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 04:02 .

[jenovan]

Ahh, I see, ejoslin :3 Hehe, now that I know how to trigger it, I don't mind -- I was just freaking out for a bit ;D /lame



Off to go do chores in a much better mood. XD

[TripLight]

And again I praise the Glory of ejoslin and Charsen for their fine, fine work!



Ugh, I think I accidentally got Al interested in Daiya. Please tell me the "the smell" line isn't a trigger. I think though that "I guess my home is with the Grey Wardens now. With you.", is but no other option would have worked for my PC.

[soignee]

ejoslin wrote...


click the box next to "single player" and ensure it has a check and hit "ok"

can't do this stage, everything is greyed out.

Hrrm.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

This calls for some late 90s Destiny's Child to fix for the lulz

It's OK, Destiny's Child fixed it! Works everytime. Or, you know, I just restart the toolset.

Modifié par soignee, 04 avril 2010 - 04:09 .

[ejoslin]

Hahahaha, would anyone be interested in a file that includes some of the banters cut from the game? Or at least testing to see if what I'm doing works?

Edit: I think I see why the one with Leliana calling Zevran doesn't work.  That would be an easy change!

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 04:10 .

[MorGothic]

Afternoon Everyone,

ejoslin wrote...

Hahahaha, would anyone be interested in a file that includes some of the banters cut from the game? Or at least testing to see if what I'm doing works?

Edit: I think I see why the one with Leliana calling Zevran doesn't work.  That would be an easy change!

Sure why not.

Aside from the fact I have some how manged to turn a basic program script into a .exe that I can't remove from my desktop because its "in use", everything is geat...

[ejoslin]

I'm not sure I can add all of these back in. I think I got the one with Leliana calling Zevran's bluff is back, and the one where Alistair asks Zevran for romance advice may be back in as well, but it will only fire when Alistair is interested. Hmmm, maybe I should raise that to "care" instead. I cannot find the triggers for the tattoo conversations, though. I'm sure it's obvious, but I'm not seeing why they're not in actually. I'm hoping I got Alistair asking Zevran's intentions in, but I'm not sure. That may have actually been put back in with a correction I made to the script in my latest version of the Zevran Dialog Fix. I guess I need to spend some time testing these!

Edit: Morgothic, did you turn off the .exe via the task manager?

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 04:37 .

[Inzhuna]

Oh I so wanna hear those banters that were taken out! Are you planning to release them as a mod or something or maybe just upload a video on?

I always feel like posting on this thread, since I love Zev so much, but with 594 (!) pages this thread seems like its own little closed-off community if you know what I mean I'm just a humble fangirl, hehe

[TripLight]

Inzhuna wrote...

Oh I so wanna hear those banters that were taken out! Are you planning to release them as a mod or something or maybe just upload a video on?
I always feel like posting on this thread, since I love Zev so much, but with 594 (!) pages this thread seems like its own little closed-off community if you know what I mean I'm just a humble fangirl, hehe

You are certainly welcome to join Inzhuna, the more the merrier!

[MorGothic]

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: Morgothic, did you turn off the .exe via the task manager?

I would if the .exe was there. The entire problewm is there is no reason why it should be "in use" at all...

// my first program in C++

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;

int main ()
{
  cout << "Hello World!";
  return 0;
}

I mean does that scream unremovable .exe file to you...<_<

The only thing I can think of was that I put the script into notepad then turned into an exe (.txt to .exe), but that doesn't explain why its in use. 
I'd like to add I just wanted to see if it worked (unsurprisingly it didn't).

[Ramante]

Sannox wrote...

Male elf gate kiss video for anybody who is interested. I apologise for the crappy quality.  It looks much better in the game.   I think those yelllow blobs of smoke coming off them are Loghain's 'rally'.  If they're not, I don't know what they are.  It's more of an embrace than a kiss, but very sad and beautiful.   Thank you, Charsen and Ejoslin.

omg... it is beautiful..
When my mage gets this, I'm so going to cry.

Ejoslin since you're messing with the toolset. Could you check something for me? It is not about Zevran but about Alistair's lamp post licking conversation. When you response with 'beautiful is it?', I sometimes get the 'did I say beautiful' line but once I got another line about that my warden would hurt him for all the other things he is not saying to her. Something like that... I was wondering, what response you get at what approval level. If it's too much trouble than you don't have to check it, only more reason for me to try it again. x3

[Addai]

Inzhuna wrote...

I always feel like posting on this thread, since I love Zev so much, but with 594 (!) pages this thread seems like its own little closed-off community if you know what I mean I'm just a humble fangirl, hehe

Welcome Inzhuna!
I need a shot that works as the opposite of the troll eyebrow, a Zevran happy-face for new de-lurkers. 

[Sannox]

Inzhuna wrote...

Oh I so wanna hear those banters that were taken out! Are you planning to release them as a mod or something or maybe just upload a video on?
I always feel like posting on this thread, since I love Zev so much, but with 594 (!) pages this thread seems like its own little closed-off community if you know what I mean I'm just a humble fangirl, hehe

I hope you do post away .   I can't read enough about Zevran.  

I'd like to hear the banters too.

[soignee]

Inzhuna wrote...

Oh I so wanna hear those banters that were taken out! Are you planning to release them as a mod or something or maybe just upload a video on?
I always feel like posting on this thread, since I love Zev so much, but with 594 (!) pages this thread seems like its own little closed-off community if you know what I mean I'm just a humble fangirl, hehe

ooooh just do what I do- pop in once every few days then crawl back in your box.

My box is great, it's lined with tinfoil and I got an endless supply of cookies and Doctor Who videos. I hobble out of it every so often to yell DWARF PORN and go back in.

[Sannox]

Mirthadrond wrote...

See, as a man, I think you ladies are just reading too much between the lines.

Men are not that complicated. Really.

In what way are we reading too much between the lines?   Are you saying that Zevran is a more straightforward character than he appears?  In what way?  (Genuine questions, because I don't understand).

[Mirthadrond]

Perhaps it's just my simple man brain that makes Zev less complicated.



Even in real life I waste little time trying to read between the lines, which frustates my wife to no end. I constantly miss her subtle clues and innuendos, regarding what she really wants from me.



I reloaded almost every conversation I had with Zev, because if I was real to my character, I always ended up with disapproval.

Reload, try another response...



He's like a woman!!! Too complex for me to understand!!



I got him to 100, and love; he even gave me the earing, but made it sound like no big deal.

So, my male mind immediately thought it was "no big deal"...



Go figure...



Anyway... I don't recall him ever rejecting me about sex, but I wasn't hounding him about sex all the time either.

In my mind, as a woman at the time, I was presuming the man would at least try to do the mommy daddy dance with me, at least once. (after romance had started)



then, there he was at love rating, still hitting on Wynn and Leilanna.



Unfortunately, game / conversation limitations don't allow us to "disapprove" and make them work for a change.



In contrast, my romance with Alister seems so natural, simple, and sweet.



Easier than Leilanna even, despite her ninja love. She starts talking about shoes and I just want to hit the escape key..



Argh, I'm not doing a good job at rping....

[ejoslin]

Ok, with testing, I'm not sure these banters are actually in the game at all. I'm not able to reenable them, even with having triggers in there that should allow for them. So it's probably not possible to have them in. Sorry!

@Ramante: The romance just has to be active.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 05:12 .

[ejoslin]

Mirthadrond wrote...

Perhaps it's just my simple man brain that makes Zev less complicated.

Even in real life I waste little time trying to read between the lines, which frustates my wife to no end. I constantly miss her subtle clues and innuendos, regarding what she really wants from me.

I reloaded almost every conversation I had with Zev, because if I was real to my character, I always ended up with disapproval.
Reload, try another response...

He's like a woman!!! Too complex for me to understand!!

I got him to 100, and love; he even gave me the earing, but made it sound like no big deal.
So, my male mind immediately thought it was "no big deal"...

Go figure...

Anyway... I don't recall him ever rejecting me about sex, but I wasn't hounding him about sex all the time either.
In my mind, as a woman at the time, I was presuming the man would at least try to do the mommy daddy dance with me, at least once. (after romance had started)

then, there he was at love rating, still hitting on Wynn and Leilanna.

Unfortunately, game / conversation limitations don't allow us to "disapprove" and make them work for a change.

In contrast, my romance with Alister seems so natural, simple, and sweet.

Easier than Leilanna even, despite her ninja love. She starts talking about shoes and I just want to hit the escape key..

Argh, I'm not doing a good job at rping....

Ok, you did NOT finish the romance.  Yeh, you can reject the earring there, but you don't have to.  But that point is a turning point.  To complete the romance you have to ask him to your tent (this is where he starts rejecting the warden).  if you reject the earring the first time, he offers it a second time WITH meaning added, and you can take it as a proposal.  

And again, the banters are NOT serious.  You have to get it out of your head that they are. They're teasing for the most part.  With Morrigan, it's a bet.  With Wynne, it's to make her uncomfortable as she is prying into things she shouldn't.  With Alistair, it's an obvious joke.  With Oghren, it's an obvious joke.  With Leliana, it's to pick at her chantry training.

Edit: Zevran was trained to use seduction as a tool.  Even your party members will comment on his feelings towards the warden, however, which he happily admits to.

Second edit: There is a lot more to the Zevran romance than is on the surface.  This really is confirmed by the toolset.  It's also comfirmed by various breakup dialogs if you don't have access to the toolset.  Zevran does consider a commitment there, but he calls it an unspoken promise (if you break up with him and try to get him to stay, you may get that dialog).

Zevran ends up being more faithful than Alistair (unless you don't make Alistair king of course).  

Third edit: Zevran will ask the warden to the tent if you don't ask him first.  You missed a lot in the romance, including the very end, when he declares his feelings and you two end up (maybe) engaged, but at the very least with a clear understanding of commitment.

He IS complex, and it is a complex romance.  He cannot speak his feelings.  He says, among other things, when declaring his feelings (I'm NOT putting the whole thing in here deliberately):

"Everything I have been taught that what I feel is wrong.  Yet I cannot help it."  

It doesn't help that there's a bug at the end where at the gates, if you take him with you, you get the "friendly" dialog instead of "love" dialog if your game isn't modded.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 05:22 .

[Sannox]

Oh, Doctor Who - did anybody see the new Doctor Who this weekend? What did you think? I thought Matt Smith was great fun, and rather attractive in a quirky sort of way.