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[Cuddlezarro]

Addai67 wrote...

*Awakening spoiler*

Can I just say how utterly pissed (Sabriana: the German word "entsetzt" puts it best ) I was to have the ghoul in the Silverite Mine be wearing Zevran's earring? If I could have kicked her into some lava, I would have. Charsen's mod brings out the raging fangirl. LOL At least I got it back. I've been leery of getting the bug where you don't recover all your gear there.

hah atleast got got the earring poor xander had to go through awakenings without it

also im so glad I found out about that bug before I entered the mines otherwise i  would have killed the architect for stealing my loot >_>

[jenovan]

Addai67 wrote...

*Awakening spoiler*

Can I just say how utterly pissed (Sabriana: the German word "entsetzt" puts it best ) I was to have the ghoul in the Silverite Mine be wearing Zevran's earring? If I could have kicked her into some lava, I would have. Charsen's mod brings out the raging fangirl. LOL At least I got it back. I've been leery of getting the bug where you don't recover all your gear there.

LOL!  I bet!  I am in the midst of writing a bit of fic where this comes up ;D  (PC made sure that was the FIRST thing he got back.  Other party members:  "WTF?" )

[ejoslin]

Sannox wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Another thing, though. He and Taliesen were lovers. THAT is in the game. Nothing really says whether Rinna and Zevran or Rinna and Taliesen were lovers. They may have been, they may not have been. THAT falls under individual roleplaying.

That's true, but I think given that the Crows seemed to be encouraged to be 'open minded' and promiscuous, given that she loved him, and that he loved her (if the toolset is to be believed), and was definitely sexually attracted to her (judging from the way he talked about her), it seems unlikely to me that they weren't lovers.  

Me too, but I would not argue that they were just because it's not in the game either way!

[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...

What I mean, Sannox, is BOTH have to be at 71+.  If Alistair is at 71+ and but Zevran is not, then Zevran doesn't force a choice.  If it really WERE about Alistair, Zevran would be forcing a choice when Alistair was at 71+ no matter what Zevran's approval is (it is VERY easy to implement this).

Leliana does bring it up at lower approval.  If she's at 51+ and you've had sex with Zevran, she forces a choice, but you can lie to her.

also the lines for the gay version of the 51+ pick me or him for us gay guys are utterly horrible

then again i dont need to rant about that again

[Sannox]

ejoslin wrote...

What I mean, Sannox, is BOTH have to be at 71+.  If Alistair is at 71+ and but Zevran is not, then Zevran doesn't force a choice.  If it really WERE about Alistair, Zevran would be forcing a choice when Alistair was at 71+ no matter what Zevran's approval is (it is VERY easy to implement this).

Leliana does bring it up at lower approval.  If she's at 51+ and you've had sex with Zevran, she forces a choice, but you can lie to her.

Thanks .  If he is to be believed it's fairly simple - if Alistair is aobe 71 and Zevran is below, then the relationship can be open and honest.   

I don't know what's going on with Leliana.  Zevran doesn't seem to be aware of it, and so doesn't consider the possiblity of a 'dishonest' relationship.   Or it could be that because his approval is higher he knows there will be no contest (although that seems out of character).  I think I did lie to her.  I was roleplaying!  

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

What I mean, Sannox, is BOTH have to be at 71+.  If Alistair is at 71+ and but Zevran is not, then Zevran doesn't force a choice.  If it really WERE about Alistair, Zevran would be forcing a choice when Alistair was at 71+ no matter what Zevran's approval is (it is VERY easy to implement this).

Leliana does bring it up at lower approval.  If she's at 51+ and you've had sex with Zevran, she forces a choice, but you can lie to her.

also the lines for the gay version of the 51+ pick me or him for us gay guys are utterly horrible

then again i dont need to rant about that again

Heh, they are bad.  Femwardens get much better choices there.  But Zevran most certainly is not worried about Leliana's feelings in that case, even though Leliana has some strong feelings going on there.

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

Heh, they are bad.  Femwardens get much better choices there.  But Zevran most certainly is not worried about Leliana's feelings in that case, even though Leliana has some strong feelings going on there.

Maybe because he realizes she's clingy and over-emotional?

[Cuddlezarro]

Nonvita wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Heh, they are bad.  Femwardens get much better choices there.  But Zevran most certainly is not worried about Leliana's feelings in that case, even though Leliana has some strong feelings going on there.

Maybe because he realizes she's annnoying clingy and over-emotional and a hypocrit?

fixed

[ejoslin]

Sannox wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

What I mean, Sannox, is BOTH have to be at 71+.  If Alistair is at 71+ and but Zevran is not, then Zevran doesn't force a choice.  If it really WERE about Alistair, Zevran would be forcing a choice when Alistair was at 71+ no matter what Zevran's approval is (it is VERY easy to implement this).

Leliana does bring it up at lower approval.  If she's at 51+ and you've had sex with Zevran, she forces a choice, but you can lie to her.

Thanks .  If he is to be believed it's fairly simple - if Alistair is aobe 71 and Zevran is below, then the relationship can be open and honest.   

I don't know what's going on with Leliana.  Zevran doesn't seem to be aware of it, and so doesn't consider the possiblity of a 'dishonest' relationship.   Or it could be that because his approval is higher he knows there will be no contest (although that seems out of character).  I think I did lie to her.  I was roleplaying!  

His approval can be lower than hers.  And he's aware of it -- he is the one who tells her.

What is it exactly that changes when Zevran hits 71+ that he forces the choice?  I think it's because he now has much deeper feelings for the warden.  A breakup at that point causes extreme disapproval (up to -46).

Just an interesting note -- here is what he says about breakups at different levels of approval.

Interested (-25 - +50): End...? Ah. I think I understand what you mean. (he wouldn't have called it a relationship, per se -- so he didn't know what the player was referring to at first) SET: APP_ZEVRAN_DEC_VHIGH
Care (51 - 70): Oh. Already? Sigh And we were just starting to have fun with it, as well. (disappointed) SET: APP_ZEVRAN_DEC_VHIGH
Adore (71 - 90 or 71+ before personal quest is done): Ahh. I cannot say that I am not disappointed. (crestfallen) SET: APP_ZEVRAN_DEC_EXTREME
Love: I... I see. I am... tempted to ask why, but I suspect I already know the answer. (sad, crestfallen) SET: APP_ZEVRAN_STILL_IN_LOVE

The thing is, I've gotten the "love" breakup line when he's at "adore" and over 91+.  But some of the flags are messed up.  But "crestfallen" over an "adore" breakup also I think shows that there are very deep feelings involved here.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 08:05 .

[Addai]

I was going through my screen shots and thought I'd post a few.  Zevran being Zevran etc.

Hoping there's an orgy in Haven...



....and being disappointed to find out it's only more chanting.  Not even the damn cults in Ferelden are interesting. 





Heh, the romance between Zevran and DNF had not yet really heated up yet at this point- she had just caught him staring at her bum and asked him about it.  However, she went to unlock a chest (because her player forgets she's not a rogue LOL) and...  Zevran comes up and offers to help.  I didn't position her this way, it was serendipity.

*sizzle*





Needless to say, when he offered her a massage later on, she took him up on it.  Gorim, eat your heart out.




In the Gauntlet, DNF and Zevran fighting Shadow Zevran.  It was lolz.

Sorry about the circles, I finally got Circles Be Gone working but hadn't yet at this point.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 avril 2010 - 08:07 .

[TripLight]

Woo, ok the Zevran ASAP mod worked perfectly Charsen! Got him right as I left Lothering. Thank you so much!



Also just plowed through the Fade with Daiya in an hour and a half, a new record for me. And without a doubt, I have discovered something. Some NPC's are so based on real people, for example:



Niall





Justin Long





LOL They even sound alike. I have put for the evidence, now you decide if I am hallucinating or not.

[Sannox]

ejoslin wrote...

Sannox wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

What I mean, Sannox, is BOTH have to be at 71+.  If Alistair is at 71+ and but Zevran is not, then Zevran doesn't force a choice.  If it really WERE about Alistair, Zevran would be forcing a choice when Alistair was at 71+ no matter what Zevran's approval is (it is VERY easy to implement this).

Leliana does bring it up at lower approval.  If she's at 51+ and you've had sex with Zevran, she forces a choice, but you can lie to her.

Thanks .  If he is to be believed it's fairly simple - if Alistair is aobe 71 and Zevran is below, then the relationship can be open and honest.   

I don't know what's going on with Leliana.  Zevran doesn't seem to be aware of it, and so doesn't consider the possiblity of a 'dishonest' relationship.   Or it could be that because his approval is higher he knows there will be no contest (although that seems out of character).  I think I did lie to her.  I was roleplaying!  

His approval can be lower than hers.  And he's aware of it -- he is the one who tells her.

What is it exactly that changes when Zevran hits 71+ that he forces the choice?  I think it's because he now has much deeper feelings for the warden.  A breakup at that point causes extreme disapproval (up to -46).

Just an interesting note -- here is what he says about breakups at different levels of approval.

Interested (-25 - +50): End...? Ah. I think I understand what you mean. (he wouldn't have called it a relationship, per se -- so he didn't know what the player was referring to at first) SET: APP_ZEVRAN_DEC_VHIGH
Care (51 - 70): Oh. Already? Sigh And we were just starting to have fun with it, as well. (disappointed) SET: APP_ZEVRAN_DEC_VHIGH
Adore (71 - 90 or 71+ before personal quest is done): Ahh. I cannot say that I am not disappointed. (crestfallen) SET: APP_ZEVRAN_DEC_EXTREME
Love: I... I see. I am... tempted to ask why, but I suspect I already know the answer. (sad, crestfallen) SET: APP_ZEVRAN_STILL_IN_LOVE

The thing is, I've gotten the "love" breakup line when he's at "adore" and over 91+.  But some of the flags are messed up.  But "crestfallen" over an "adore" breakup also I think shows that there are very deep feelings involved here.

I meant that he doesn't seem to know about Leliana forcing a choice at that stage.  (Or does he also force a choice at that stage?).   He is happily telling her about the him and you, so he doesn't feel any need for it to be 'dishonest'.  

I think what changes when he hits 71 is that he does feel more, yes, but also that he knows the other companion won't accept it -  that if you are to continue seeing both at that point, then the relationship with him would have to be secret.  

Thank you for the information on the breakup dialogues.   I'd expect the big approval loss when he's at adore (I agree with you that it's probably really love or something near it by that point), but it's also interesting that there's a big approval loss very early on.   He is obviously hurt by the ending of the relationship, even if it has hardly started - even if there wasn't really a relationship there, but just a flirtation. 

[Sannox]

Addai67 wrote...



Heh, the romance between Zevran and DNF had not yet really heated up yet at this point- she had just caught him staring at her bum and asked him about it.  However, she went to unlock a chest (because her player forgets she's not a rogue LOL) and...  Zevran comes up and offers to help.  I didn't position her this way, it was serendipity.

*sizzle*





Needless to say, when he offered her a massage later on, she took him up on it.  Gorim, eat your heart out.

That's very cute.  I love the way in the second picture she looks like she's wondering if he's still staring, but doesn't want to look.

Modifié par Sannox, 04 avril 2010 - 08:21 .

[ejoslin]

Zevran does not force a choice until both he and another is at 71+. And everyone seems to know everyone's business there, which is why I say that both Alistair and Zevran have no sexual jealousy.

My point about bringing Leliana up is the choice being forced is NOT merely a game mechanic which is the same for all characters. It's not the same; different characters have different thresholds. If it were about the other person for Zevran, then as soon as the other person hit whatever, Zevran would force the choice. Does that make sense?

Just for instance. If Zevran were being 100% honest with himself when he said that Alistair would not feel the same, would feel cheated on, whatever, that would happen when Alistair hit 71+, not when both Zevran and Alistair hit 71+. The flirting or the sex that is going on doesn't suddenly change when Zevran hits 71+, but Zevran's feelings about his relationship with the warden DOES change.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 08:22 .

[jenovan]

TripLight wrote...

Woo, ok the Zevran ASAP mod worked perfectly Charsen! Got him right as I left Lothering. Thank you so much!

Also just plowed through the Fade with Daiya in an hour and a half, a new record for me. And without a doubt, I have discovered something. Some NPC's are so based on real people, for example:

Niall


Justin Long


LOL They even sound alike. I have put for the evidence, now you decide if I am hallucinating or not.

LOL!! Oh man, that's why Niall looked familiar!  Great catch!  XD

[Sannox]

Nonvita wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Heh, they are bad.  Femwardens get much better choices there.  But Zevran most certainly is not worried about Leliana's feelings in that case, even though Leliana has some strong feelings going on there.

Maybe because he realizes she's clingy and over-emotional?

I couldn't really get into that romance, and I felt there was something insincere about it.  She's a bit gushy, but I don't know how much feeling is there.   I know that when my character finally dumped her, she didn't seem too bothered.  She was still trying to flirt, or so it seemed.   Even when I desecrated the ashes and Wynne walked off she didn't say a word (I thought she was supposed to leave too, but apparently not).  By the end she still seemed to be giving me 'romantic' lines.   Maybe it was just glitched for me.   I felt that with her there's all these feelings on the surface, but it doesn't go very deep - it's the opposite of Zevran (and Morrigan). 

[Minaleth]

Sannox wrote...
I think what changes when he hits 71 is that he does feel more, yes, but also that he knows the other companion won't accept it -  that if you are to continue seeing both at that point, then the relationship with him would have to be secret.

Well, he says that. And there is no reason not to believe it might be one of motives.

ejoslin wrote...
If it were about the other person for Zevran, then as soon as the other person hit whatever, Zevran would force the choice.

Uhm, I think it should have been like this. To me it seems more in character. And it would reflect Zevrans feelings as well not only the other's stuff. He is very slowly falling for someone only to discover that they are developing strong relationship with another person, he might not like that at any point.

ejoslin wrote...
The flirting or the sex that is going on doesn't suddenly change when Zevran hits 71+, but Zevran's feelings about his relationship with the warden DOES change.

It is so, but I awaited this to happen later. I see other things pointing to this as the breakthrough moment. Though I would put it later personally.

The are apparently discrete points when things 'suddenly' change. I have a problem with that, see it unrealistic, but inevitable due to game design. Imho, in real feelings develop more 'smoothly', continuously - at least I imagine that.

Modifié par Minaleth, 04 avril 2010 - 08:45 .

[Charsen]

Sannox - watched the new Doctor who last night. Had my script run a 5-sec refresh on the bbc leech site (since i'm a horribly impatient american) til it was available... lol. i was skeptical at first, but after a few minutes, yes -- he is definitely still the Doctor. His companion is funny but... well hopefully there wont be a romance there, but it almost seems to be set up that way. imo the Doctor is much better not romancing his companions for many reasons. =P

and thanks for posting the video Sannox & for your review! i tried to get the warden to turn towards zev's hand after zevran stroked his ear (elves like that right?) so im glad that translated well. =D

i plan to tighten up the animations on the final few seconds (after all races/sexes have a cutscene) too. i also added the glove back for the newest .rar for that, i think.. i have NFI why his hand is a meatroll, but it was like that in the original kiss scene too, apparently, so it may be a game render bug

& yep -- working on the female kisses now! woke up sick, but am ready to get some work done now. i will post screens as the day goes on
thanks for your kind comments guys 

Modifié par Charsen, 04 avril 2010 - 09:09 .

[soignee]

New dr who= awesome. The thing with the apple was cute

[Charsen]

soignee wrote...

New dr who= awesome. The thing with the apple was cute

yes it was, hah (tho i miss the bananas).. but the fish sticks in custard was ... 

[ejoslin]

*grin* Minaleth, I do try to go by what's in the game. The romance was written a certain way, and there are many points in it that are open to interpretation. BUT there are things that are in there, and they're not just game mechanics.

It would be nice to think that everything Zevran says is really what is going on, and you certainly can roleplay it as such. But things DO change for Zevran once he hits "adore." I disagree that it's "sudden" (though I know I used that term).  I think when he gets to the point where he's forcing a choice, it's really beyond the reasons he's giving, and there is plenty to support that, including his reactions.

I believe he's forcing the choice because his feelings have deepened to a point where he does not want someone else caring for the warden the same way he does. He wants to be in a relationship with the warden, and won't share him or her with someone else who cares. He may SAY it's about Alistair or Leliana or Morrigan, but nothing else supports that. That line can be enough to roleplay it that way, but there are other lines and there is the fact that other people's feelings don't matter until his are deep as well to suggest that it can be interpreted completely differently -- not that it HAS to be, but that it can be, and both interpretations are completely valid.

I get that you would prefer that Zevran forces a choice based on the other person's feelings. I disagree because I see something different going on there. I think Zevran has feelings that are completely unknown to him, confusing, he's fighting falling in love, but there it is. Wanting someone to be exclusive to him? I think that is something that never even occurred to him. I do think that it's not a sudden deep respect for someone else's feelings that is what is really going on, though he may be telling himself that.

And actually, it wouldn't be the first time Zevran lied to the Warden about something that makes him really uncomfortable. And I can't imagine anything more uncomfortable to him than what he's feeling at that moment.

Edit: WAY late edit, which I'm sure won't be seen.  But... This is why, when I'm making the changes I am, I go by the scripting notes PERIOD.  If I were to put myself into it, I could totally change the way the romance was made to play out.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 09:44 .

[ejoslin]

OOOOOH! Charsen is giving an Easter present!!!! *grin* Now I'll be rushing my company out the door (having my parents and my uncle over for Easter dinner) tonight! *sigh* I'm terrible sometimes!

Edit: Feel better soon, Charsen 

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 09:36 .

[frostajulie]

Wow That male kiss at the gates was so romantically awesome. I bought the game for my pc but my pc is too pitiful to run the game without overheating so in 2 months I will be getting a new pc to play this game with all these Zev mods.



Thanks guys the excitement is rekindled.

[Sresla]

Charsen wrote...

Sannox - watched the new Doctor who last night. Had my script run a 5-sec refresh on the bbc leech site (since i'm a horribly impatient american) til it was available... lol. i was skeptical at first, but after a few minutes, yes -- he is definitely still the Doctor. His companion is funny but... well hopefully there wont be a romance there, but it almost seems to be set up that way. imo the Doctor is much better not romancing his companions for many reasons. =P

No spoilers please, some of us are patient and rely on Tivo/BBC America. I'm in the wait and see camp about Matt. I personally would have preferred they went a bit older instead of going younger still (although I understand why). I agree with you Charsen though, about the romances - I was thorougly glad to see Rose go and felt the Donna/Doctor dynamic was much better. Tennant might rank as my second favorite Doctor (I waffle a bit about this), Tom Baker is obviously first. About the only one I didn't care for was Sylvester McCoy (televised) but I've found a new appreciation for him via Big Finish. I think Tom Baker and Davison had the most going for them in terms of companions (SJS, Harry, Leela, Romana (1/2), K-9, Adric, Nyssa and Turlough. Oh Vislor, how I miss thee. Tegan... okay even Tegan). I feel bad that Davison/Colin Baker got burdened with Peri - she's like a screeching harpy (although again, Big Finish moderates her well and I like her more now than I did when she was on TV).

Those of you unfamiliar with Big Finish (I pity you) but besides the main adventures, I recommend the Companion Chronicles and the Gallifrey series. Frazer Hines does a dead on Patrick Troughton. And The Mahogany Murderers (with Jago and Litefoot - c'mon, you remember them, Talons of Weng-Chiang?) is brilliant.

Two paragraphs, no Zevran, I must be high on chocolate or lack thereof.

[soignee]

Oh god I can be smug about TV for once I GET DR WHO STRAAAAAAAAAAIGHT AWAY YOU GUIS.



You can all taunt me when the new series of True Blood comes out!



Hmm, Askers. And Zevran. I'll be in my bunk, brb,