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What's the (Romantic) Appeal of Zevran?


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Sannox wrote...
I don't know if I'd like it even more with a mouth to mouth kiss in there, but I do love it the way it is.  They look into each other's eyes, and it's maybe even more romantic because there have been kisses before but nothing like this.  
I meant to mention the thumb movement as well - I love that. 
I imagine the slow, later part of the scene is particularly wonderful if the warden is going for the ultimate sacrifice.  Zevran looks like he knows it might be the last kiss - he's overcome with emotion and trying to steel himself to prepare for the final battle. 
Can you imagine if this was in the game, and there for people on their first playthrough?   I'd have been bowled over. 


there are some problems with a full mouth kiss:
- PC's face is extremely variable... one head model's mouth height might be 100% and another may be 0%, and some jaws are going to be pushed out and some will be pushed in, so getting even a lightly occluded liplock would work only for some people, plus the nose can be horribly variable and cause extreme clipping
- if i did a full liplock, i'd have to conceal it via camera so that people with different mouth shapes/heights won't have nose clip, this is what they do in the standard kiss, which is why you don't see their lips meet (they don't, it's an illusion)
- also, no tongue model (though i am strongly considering importing one from 3DSmax)

but i hope to figure something out.. maybe i can make even a missed liplock look ok (cheek slurps are not bad) *hmm*

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#14952
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Well, in that conversation he both considers himself the other man AND the main interest. just two different lines, and they do contradict each other, which I think gives MORE reinforcement that it's about his feelings.

Zevran: I suspect Alistair, however, would not feel the same way. If there is to be something between you and I, to string him along would only hurt him deeply. Surely you know this is true.

Heh, in this line, he's the main interest and Alistair is the one being strung along. But then you have the very next line.

Zevran: And what would you have me do, then? I am many things: A murderer, a thief, a lover... but I am no cheat. If whatever is between us cannot be honest, let it not be at all.

He wants what's between them to be out in the open.

Edit: I think these two lines point to a very confused elf who has no clue what is going on with him!


I take this differently. To my mind, Zev doesn't care whether the relationship is in the open or not, what he wants is to be able to trust the Warden. He realises that he has feelings of some sort, they scare him, and he's not sure what to do about them. He knows that Alistair has feelings for the Warden. What he doesn't know is whether the Warden reciprocates those feelings or if (s)he has come to care for him or will, at least, give the relationship some time.
So, I don't read this, "be honest" as him wanting the relationship out in the open. I see it as him asking the Warden to be honest about his/her feelings. 

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Thanks everyone for the welcomes! But this is what I was talking about! I posted in the afternoon, and then in the evening the thread has grown by 4 more pages!! Hehe.

@Soignee, my box has a supply of cheesy crisps and I watch Spartacus: Blood and Sand here ;)

Oh, I'm so excited about this DLC news! Hopefully we will have more adventures with our favorite assassin!

Btw, what did you think about the prank for Zev in the Feastday DLC? I thought it was very cruel, but quite cute how your warden had the key, hehehe ;)

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Nonvita wrote...

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Gosh, I might have to buy Awakenings. . .


Haha, well wait and find out first if Zevran will be involved in anything. Unless you're so excited that Leliana is coming back...


And I think that's why they made it Awakening DLC--they want to entice people into buying Awakening, and a good way to do that is through DLCs with the Origins romances.


Personally what I think happened was they decided when making Awakening that there was going to be no romances in the main storyline so they could release romance DLC, because if you think about it what else could they release? I mean they wrapped the story up good (sort of).

I wont mention bug fixes or the database...Oh too late...:ph34r:

*sigh* The more I read these C++ tutrourial the more it starts to make a scary kind of sense...altough it help went the compiler doesnt say Error for no reason...and it was for no reason I closed the project and made a new one then pasted the code and it worked fine....:pinched:

*edit*

Modifié par MorGothic, 04 avril 2010 - 11:18 .


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Charsen wrote...
send all complaints about the female model c/o CZ :wub:


Oh no. You're not getting out of it that easily!


And I like it without their lips touching. No need to mess with a good thing. It almost makes it sadder, actually, as if they're both too emotional to manage it.

MorGothic wrote...

Personally what I think happened was
they decided when making Awakening that there was going to be no
romances in the main storyline so they could release romance DLC,
because if you think about it what else could they release? I mean they
wrapped the story up good (sort of).


Ah, very true. Also it freed them up not to have to worry about decisions people had made in Origins for the expansion. Likely, the DLC represents far more limited "consequences" from Origins, rather than having to deal with the plethora of variables that are possible.

Modifié par Nonvita, 04 avril 2010 - 11:22 .


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Charsen wrote...

WIP of HF+Zev
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send all complaints about the female model c/o CZ :wub:


Its lovely, but did you have to use Flemeth?:sick:

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Nonvita wrote...

MorGothic wrote...

Personally what I think happened was
they decided when making Awakening that there was going to be no
romances in the main storyline so they could release romance DLC,
because if you think about it what else could they release? I mean they
wrapped the story up good (sort of).


Ah, very true. Also it freed them up not to have to worry about decisions people had made in Origins for the expansion. Likely, the DLC represents far more limited "consequences" from Origins, rather than having to deal with the plethora of variables that are possible.


Hmm thinking about it maybe that is why the letters were cut from the game...

They could be looking at doing Ander's, Nathaniel, the Elf (can't remember her name) and Sigun (:wub:) as new romances and continue Zev and Leliana romances.

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TripLight wrote...

Charsen wrote...

WIP of HF+Zev
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send all complaints about the female model c/o CZ :wub:


Its lovely, but did you have to use Flemeth?:sick:


why yes he did~

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hahahah Flemeth needs love toooo :D

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LOL @ Flemeth + Zev kiss. Or maybe Eww. Not sure.

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Charsen wrote...

Sannox wrote...
I don't know if I'd like it even more with a mouth to mouth kiss in there, but I do love it the way it is.  They look into each other's eyes, and it's maybe even more romantic because there have been kisses before but nothing like this.  
I meant to mention the thumb movement as well - I love that. 
I imagine the slow, later part of the scene is particularly wonderful if the warden is going for the ultimate sacrifice.  Zevran looks like he knows it might be the last kiss - he's overcome with emotion and trying to steel himself to prepare for the final battle. 
Can you imagine if this was in the game, and there for people on their first playthrough?   I'd have been bowled over. 


there are some problems with a full mouth kiss:
- PC's face is extremely variable... one head model's mouth height might be 100% and another may be 0%, and some jaws are going to be pushed out and some will be pushed in, so getting even a lightly occluded liplock would work only for some people, plus the nose can be horribly variable and cause extreme clipping
- if i did a full liplock, i'd have to conceal it via camera so that people with different mouth shapes/heights won't have nose clip, this is what they do in the standard kiss, which is why you don't see their lips meet (they don't, it's an illusion)
- also, no tongue model (though i am strongly considering importing one from 3DSmax)

but i hope to figure something out.. maybe i can make even a missed liplock look ok (cheek slurps are not bad) *hmm*

WIP of HF+Zev
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send all complaints about the female model c/o CZ :wub:


Awww, at LEAST use my Elissa!~

Edit: CZ is so mean :crying:

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2010 - 11:52 .


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Yes, yes he is.:(

Edit: Only a few more posts till 600 pages guys! Who is gonna get first post?:devil:

Modifié par TripLight, 04 avril 2010 - 11:53 .


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He's just Flemeth's type. Elven, handsome and the sort that will never be missed...

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Sresla wrote...

He's just Flemeth's type. Elven, handsome and the sort that will never be missed...


Gah, just put in an order for that waterproof keyboard.  This new one doesn't have too much longer. MORE herbal tea on it!

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TripLight wrote...

Yes, yes he is.:(

Edit: Only a few more posts till 600 pages guys! Who is gonna get first post?:devil:


Probably me, and saying something really stupid!

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LOL, I think we all might have to invest in those. I did that with coffee earlier in the al/mo thread when someone compared sex to a burrito.

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heh im an evil genius arnt I for asking for flemeth to be the Human test kiss~

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Sresla wrote...

He's just Flemeth's type. Elven, handsome and the sort that will never be missed...


Lol, I knew there was a line or conversation that connected Zevran and Flemeth, but couldn't remember which one .. Thanks for reminding! ^_^

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Oh did anyone have Zevran's Approval's and Disapproval's listed from the DLC's? All of them?

*got a +4 for screwing over Kitty:devil:

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Cuddlezarro wrote...

heh im an evil genius arnt I for asking for flemeth to be the Human test kiss~


Oh I dunno, I think it just makes me more anxious to see the actual kiss in-game. :wub:

At least you can't use Cammen for the EF. *can't think of any hideously ugly FEs in game, and sincerely hopes there were none*

Sresla wrote...

He's just Flemeth's type. Elven, handsome
and the sort that will never be missed...


Hah! :o

Modifié par Nonvita, 05 avril 2010 - 12:06 .


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Lol, yes, CZ is evil.

Ok I'll switch out the flemeth model for this shot ---



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i have no idea who the model is, i just picked a random female human head morph (i can't use the ones in a saved game sadly it has to be a .mor file)

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Minaleth wrote...

I have to clarify a few things regarding the romances -
-Does everybody know about the relationship once the romance is turned on? From banter and dialogues I assume yes.
-Is the relationship regarded mutual once the romance is turned on? I assume it's up to roleplay a decidedly ambiguous.
-What unusual happens at 71+ that not sexually jealous people suddenly become possessive, or why is the other romance considered secret since then? Shouldn't this be associated with love state, or appear much earlyer? I assume it should trigger when the LI feels they are commited to the warden. 71adore is imho too late for Alistair and too early for Zevran.


They're not secret at all.  Everyone comments on them.  One correction I made in my most recent version of ZDF is you're supposed to be able to tell Alistair in his conversation about the other companions if Zev's romance is turned on that you and Zevran have a connection (vanilla game messed it up and that appears when Alistair is the love interest -- script note says otherwise) and Alistair answers, "Yes, I can see that."

I do not think that Zevran becomes sexually jealous at all.  The problem Zevran and Alistair both seem to have is they don't want the warden to be in a caring relationship with someone else.

Is Adore really such a low threshhold?  I think adore is the appropriate threshhold to be honest.  With Alistair, that is when he's willing to have sex with the warden.  With Zevran, that's when he's willing to talk about Rinna.  With Wynne, this is when she feels she needs to talk to the warden about being in a relationship.  And even Leliana will discuss the relationships at that point (for morrigan's talk and Wynne's apology, the approval is love).  Once the warden hits adore with someone, I think the assumption is that it really is an established and close relationship.  It hasn't matured, but it is extremely close.

The problem with Zevran is, if you push it, you can hit Adore very soon.  Especially if you are going to the tent.  It can seem too quick.  But it does not have to be.  

Edit: Still catching up on posts here.  I'm sure I'll have all sorts of irrelevant things to add.  But I like adding irrelevant things!~

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 avril 2010 - 12:08 .


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Charsen wrote...

Lol, yes, CZ is evil.
Ok I'll switch out the flemeth model for this shot ---

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i have no idea who the model is, i just picked a random female human head morph (i can't use the ones in a saved game sadly it has to be a .mor file)


*squee*  It's beautiful, Charsen.  OMG, so beautiful!

#14974
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Now that is truly lovely. Thank you for taking out Captain Janeway, she's all kinds of awesome, I just don't want her macking on our guy.

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Cuddlezarro wrote...

heh im an evil genius arnt I for asking for flemeth to be the Human test kiss~


Hahaha, you were the mastermind behind the Sandal, Loghain, Zevran threesome, weren't you...