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[Cuddlezarro]

I got that Alistair dialogue with my City Elf... she was pretty much female rambo and went psycho on any human at any given chance needless to say alistair hated her...ALOT (I lost like 40 approval when I punched Isolde in the face and murdered conner when I got back to camp)

she also spared loghain and had alistair marry anora... needless to say he was pissed and even if loghain sacrifices himself Alistair still isnt happy with you and prety much everything he says after the coronation is dripping with sarcasm and not the funny kind

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 31 janvier 2010 - 04:36 .

[Namirsolo]

I see the city elf and Zevran as the best possible couple in the game, but that might just be because city elf is far and away my favorite origin and Zevran is obviously my favorite romance option, too. I just can't see my city elf, who has been treated like trash by humans her entire life and doesn't know a thing about relationships (although that's not the case about sex) would stay in a long term relationship with Alistair.

So, since Alistair practically pushes himself onto a female warden who is nice to him, she finds herself in a relationship with him. But she's quite naive about what that actually means. Although she's always polite to him and treats him well, since she is kind of intrigued by a human male who actually views her as a person, it never gets serious on her end. Then Zevran shows up and she feels drawn to him immediately. She ends up having to break up with Alistair (which makes her feel terrible) because what she really wants is Zevran.

I love the city elf and Zevran so much I'm writing fanfiction about them. Okay, I admit it.

Thanks for posting the transcript and video of Alistair's freak out. I've never played a completely evil character, so I had no idea what he did if you hit -100. My mage is slightly evil- she wiped out the circle tower, killed Isolde to save Connor (but won the persuade check with Alistair about it) and defiled Andraste's Ashes. The ashes thing was funny because she just lied to Leiliana about it and she believed her. But, even all of that only lost about 20 approval with Alistair.

[Cuddlezarro]

killed Isolde to save Connor (but won the persuade check with Alistair about it)

I wouldent call that evil though... and even a good character can come up with reasons why to do it



now forcing Isolde to kill her own son thats evil

[Raphael diSanto]

Addai67 wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

Edit: Found it! And wow, this player was MEEEEEEAN. But his responses are basically the same.

Wow!  Ouch!!  I am, I think, physically incapable of clicking on things that would provoke such a reaction from that particular blob of pixels.  LOL

You're not the only one. I usually have a hard time being mean in cRPGs, even to NPCs, and especially to companions. I think it's because I tend to the Lethal Weapon buddy-buddy movie stereotype where the heroes might rib and poke fun at one another, but all in all they actually -like- each other.

[nyxocity]

Wow, so many great comments. I'm in the middle of playing through the final battles now or I'd respond (will come back in a while to do so), but in the meantime, I wanted to share this conversation that I heard in my head while playing this particular play through, before I forget:

Alistair: So you're not trying to kill us anymore?

Zevran: I have no wish to die. You have seen her fight, yes?

Alistair: Yes. And you've seen... more than that, judging by the way you watch her.

Zevran: She leads us, I follow. If I must be forced to stare at a woman's back, I may as well enjoy staring at the choicest parts, no? But this means nothing, I assure you, Alistair. I am simply... enjoying the scenery, as it were.

Alistair: Hmph. So it's FRIENDLY staring, then, is it?

Zevran: Yes. And I would never try to kill a friend. Especially one so formidable.

Alistair: So you'd still try to kill me, then?

Zevran: Perhaps... But only if she asked me to.

Alistair: ...I think that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me. Awww, are you going soft, Zevran?

Zevran: Make her angry enough to ask and you will see how 'soft' I am.

Alistair: *sarcastic* And here I thought we were having a 'moment'.

Modifié par thenyxie, 31 janvier 2010 - 07:47 .

[Addai]

Alistair is not one to talk when it comes to staring at the PC's backside. As Wynne helpfully points out. But that does sound like a conversation they could have.

[Addai]

Namirsolo wrote...

I see the city elf and Zevran as the best possible couple in the game, but that might just be because city elf is far and away my favorite origin and Zevran is obviously my favorite romance option, too. I just can't see my city elf, who has been treated like trash by humans her entire life and doesn't know a thing about relationships (although that's not the case about sex) would stay in a long term relationship with Alistair.

I have an elf mage who is currently enthralled.  They just picked up Zevran and then went to Broken Circle.  A character romancing Zevran really must, must, must take him to the Circle.  I also think mage is also a good fit with Zevran.  Mages are despised, and an elf mage is a double whammy.  She can certainly relate to Zevran's comment about living in a gilded cage.  She also is very wary of Alistair the former templar, despite the fact that he "seems" to be OK.  Seeing Cullen again reminded her how that sort of thing doesn't work out.

Modifié par Addai67, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:12 .

[Nonvita]

thenyxie wrote...

Wow, so many great comments. I'm in the middle of playing through the final battles now or I'd respond (will come back in a while to do so), but in the meantime, I wanted to share this conversation that I heard in my head while playing this particular play through, before I forget:
Alistair: So you're not trying to kill us anymore?
Zevran: I have no wish to die. You have seen her fight, yes?
Alistair: Yes. And you've seen... more than that, judging by the way you watch her.
Zevran: She leads us, I follow. If I must be forced to stare at a woman's back, I may as well enjoy staring at the choicest parts, no? But this means nothing, I assure you, Alistair. I am simply... enjoying the scenery, as it were.
Alistair: Hmph. So it's FRIENDLY staring, then, is it?
Zevran: Yes. And I would never try to kill a friend. Especially one so formidable.
Alistair: So you'd still try to kill me, then?
Zevran: Perhaps... But only if she asked me to.
Alistair: ...I think that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me. Awww, are you going soft, Zevran?
Zevran: Make her angry enough to ask and you will see how 'soft' I am.
Alistair: *sarcastic* And here I thought we were having a 'moment'.

Waaaa, this conversation is amazing! For some reason it's really easy to imagine conversations with Zevran- maybe that's why I like him so much. He's always so blunt, and it's as if he's always the "reality" factor in any situation.

And Alistair's not so hard to be mean to... I really do love him as a character--the real me could never be mean to him--but it's almost nice sometimes playing a character who is mean, just because he has so much more of a backbone when he's pissed at you than when he's smitten with you. Alistair's a character where being mean can almost bring out the best in him; Zevran's a character where being mean just makes you feel like the worst person in the world...


Anyway, my guy friend was saying tonight how he liked Zev a whole lot more playing as a male, because as a female Zev just hit on him a lot. Personally I like the flirting, but it's always fun to hear a guy's point of view.

[Namirsolo]

So I'm finally to the landsmeet in my mage playthrough and I'm going to turn down the earring for the first time. What options do I have to choose to make sure I hear him admit his feelings later?

[Sabriana]

Well, my PCs are all female and all human, and Zevran is the guy for them. All three had something going with Alistair, but couldn't resist Zevran.
My mage (first and unspoiled play-through) was as shocked as I was when she got publicly dumped for illogical and silly reasons (sounded that way to her, and to me as well). She was even more shocked when Zevran walked up to her, offered her his earring, and took it upon himself to mend her broken heart. She fell in love, realized what love truly is, and went off into the sunset with Zevran.

My HNF rogue felt a connection with him almost immediately. She was curious about him, and sought conversations with him. Unbeknownst to her, she drifted away from Alistair and toward Zevran slowly but surely. She and Zevran ended up building up the new GW together.

She never had a problem with potential Crow assassins coming after them. First of all, she was well connected, had allies all over the place, and attacking someone in their own HQ would be silly.

Secondly, even the Crows know when they're outmatched. It would be silly to go after someone under the protection of the nobility, crown, and GWs.

Metagamingly speaking, the Crows don't come after Zevran until he leaves Ferelden, if the PC sacrifices herself (none of mine will, they've done enough, thank you very much).

My HNF warrior (and most favorite) has issues at first. She thinks she's in love with Alistair, and has all these ideas about a proper life-mate. Sure, she has elven friends, and she disapproves of them being mistreated and exploited. She was rather rude to Nan, but only because the woman treated the elven servants so harshly. She also had a nice little chat with Iona when she went to invite Dairren for a roll and a tumble. And here's Zevran, who's not only an assassin, but an elven assassin. Surely that can't be happening (thinks Alissande).

However, she becomes more and more fond of Zevran, and discovers depths to him she didn't think possible. She realizes that she is falling for him, and fights it at first. It's not proper, darnit! But then she gives up the fight, and lets things fall into place how they will. Zevran fights longer and more determinedly, because his feelings for her go against everything he's been brainwashed into believing, but he too gives up and acknowledges his love for her as well.

Re.: Landsmeet and earring. I wish I could help you, but my mage accepted, my HN rogue got the earring earlier, and my HN warrior isn't there yet.

[AndreaDraco]

Namirsolo wrote...

So I'm finally to the landsmeet in my mage playthrough and I'm going to turn down the earring for the first time. What options do I have to choose to make sure I hear him admit his feelings later?

Press him about the earring being a token of affection, and refuse it because it's not a token of affection. Later on, he'll say something like "I've still have the earring" and you can work through the options from here, to the point of asking me if the earring his like a proposal.

Modifié par AndreaDraco, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:42 .

[UnDutchable]

Namirsolo wrote...

So I'm finally to the landsmeet in my mage playthrough and I'm going to turn down the earring for the first time. What options do I have to choose to make sure I hear him admit his feelings later?

After you've told him you don't want the earring unless it means something, invite him back to your tent and he'll refuse. You can try to push him to say why, which just makes him angry with you and makes you lose approval points (about 5 or so, I think). After that, talk to him again and tell him that he seems different and ask him what's changed. I'm pretty sure the best option during that conversation is  I don't know, but I know how I feel about you 
. He says that's enough for him and asks if you still want the earring, as a token of affection this time. Tell him that sounds like a proposal and... well, happily ever after.

[Sabriana]

Yeah, that's the normal game routine. Just tell him "I'm no wiser than you in that area", and he'll offer the earring again. This dialogue option is the only one that makes him do it though.

I don't know if it works at the Landsmeet though, because that's pretty late in the game, and I don't remember how many changes there are, but logically, it shouldn't make a difference unless your PC is at a point of no return.

Like I said, my mage accepted it right off after being dumped, my HN rogue had him propose and declare affection through the "I'm no wiser..." line, and my HN warrior isn't there yet.

I guess I misunderstood you. I read it as your PC being actually at the Landsmeet, not at the point where the Landsmeet is called.

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

killed Isolde to save Connor (but won the persuade check with Alistair about it)

I wouldent call that evil though... and even a good character can come up with reasons why to do it

now forcing Isolde to kill her own son thats evil

That's what my city elf did.  When Alistair confronted her, telling her she killed Connor, she answered, "Well, technically, ISOLDE killed Connor."  I have no idea what the actual approval loss on that conversation was -- she lost 32 points, but that took her to -100.

I thought one of the funniest lines was when she killed the soldier in Ostagar.  Alistair called her insane, and she answered, "I prefer the term, 'ruthless'".  But yes, she also went psycho on any human male -- she would have killed all of them given the opportunity.  Alistairs friendliness made her skin crawl, so she just rebuffed him at every move.  Plus, since she had just seen her fiance murdered, as well as a good friend murdered as well, PLUS her dearest friend and cousin raped, she had little patience for his pain.

I don't think I could do an Alistair hate character with any other origin, but this city elf was having her own issues, and feeling a freedom to do something for the first time ever.

She also let Redcliff die to the undead.  That didn't earn her nearly as much disapproval as it should have.

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Yeah, that's the normal game routine. Just tell him "I'm no wiser than you in that area", and he'll offer the earring again. This dialogue option is the only one that makes him do it though.
I don't know if it works at the Landsmeet though, because that's pretty late in the game, and I don't remember how many changes there are, but logically, it shouldn't make a difference unless your PC is at a point of no return.
Like I said, my mage accepted it right off after being dumped, my HN rogue had him propose and declare affection through the "I'm no wiser..." line, and my HN warrior isn't there yet.
I guess I misunderstood you. I read it as your PC being actually at the Landsmeet, not at the point where the Landsmeet is called.

If you ask him "Maybe it would be better for you if we broke it off," he gives a very sweet answer and also offers again.  Also, you can tell him "I hope so," and he'll offer it.  It's only if you give what appears to be the nicest answer (something like, I feel the same way) or the breakup option, and in the second one, the breakup option does he not offer it again.

Modifié par ejoslin, 31 janvier 2010 - 01:04 .

[AnniLau]

Zev and my Mage got (probably) engaged last night. 

I thought it would be nice to make sure Alistair wouldn't be alone either, but somehow he just doesn't seem that pleased. 

[ejoslin]

AnniLau wrote...

Zev and my Mage got (probably) engaged last night. 

I thought it would be nice to make sure Alistair wouldn't be alone either, but somehow he just doesn't seem that pleased. 

Hmmmm, you know, with his response being as it was, one time I was curious when we got to that point and I said, "No, that's too much."  Trust me on this one -- you and that elf are engaged!

[Sabriana]

ejoslin wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Yeah, that's the normal game routine. Just tell him "I'm no wiser than you in that area", and he'll offer the earring again. This dialogue option is the only one that makes him do it though.
I don't know if it works at the Landsmeet though, because that's pretty late in the game, and I don't remember how many changes there are, but logically, it shouldn't make a difference unless your PC is at a point of no return.
Like I said, my mage accepted it right off after being dumped, my HN rogue had him propose and declare affection through the "I'm no wiser..." line, and my HN warrior isn't there yet.
I guess I misunderstood you. I read it as your PC being actually at the Landsmeet, not at the point where the Landsmeet is called.

If you ask him "Maybe it would be better for you if we broke it off," he gives a very sweet answer and also offers again.  Also, you can tell him "I hope so," and he'll offer it.  It's only if you give what appears to be the nicest answer (something like, I feel the same way) or the breakup option, and in the second one, the breakup option does he not offer it again.

Really? My game must have glitched with my HN rogue. I tried the 'I hope so', because it's quite true. Given their situation, assuming a future is not with the odds. I do remember getting the "that's all I needed to know", and no earring.
Oh well, my warrior is about to get snubbed. She refused the earring and is now ready to ask him to her tent. Will she ever be surprised by his answer. Anyway, I'll keep the 'save and reload' finger at the ready :happy:

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Yeah, that's the normal game routine. Just tell him "I'm no wiser than you in that area", and he'll offer the earring again. This dialogue option is the only one that makes him do it though.
I don't know if it works at the Landsmeet though, because that's pretty late in the game, and I don't remember how many changes there are, but logically, it shouldn't make a difference unless your PC is at a point of no return.
Like I said, my mage accepted it right off after being dumped, my HN rogue had him propose and declare affection through the "I'm no wiser..." line, and my HN warrior isn't there yet.
I guess I misunderstood you. I read it as your PC being actually at the Landsmeet, not at the point where the Landsmeet is called.

If you ask him "Maybe it would be better for you if we broke it off," he gives a very sweet answer and also offers again.  Also, you can tell him "I hope so," and he'll offer it.  It's only if you give what appears to be the nicest answer (something like, I feel the same way) or the breakup option, and in the second one, the breakup option does he not offer it again.

Really? My game must have glitched with my HN rogue. I tried the 'I hope so', because it's quite true. Given their situation, assuming a future is not with the odds. I do remember getting the "that's all I needed to know", and no earring.
Oh well, my warrior is about to get snubbed. She refused the earring and is now ready to ask him to her tent. Will she ever be surprised by his answer. Anyway, I'll keep the 'save and reload' finger at the ready :happy:

Is it possible that on the dialog before you selected, "I feel the same way,"?  I do know that only the answers, "I am no wiser . . ." and "Maybe it would be better for you . . ." are the only two that lead to the earring being offered. 

[AnniLau]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmmm, you know, with his response being as it was, one time I was curious when we got to that point and I said, "No, that's too much."  Trust me on this one -- you and that elf are engaged!

Oddly, I started thinking of him as her husband directly after that. When my HNF was engaged to Alistair, I just thought "I'm going to be Queen!"

[Sabriana]

Oh no, don't even make me think about the "no that's too much" line. I can still see and hear him, and it still breaks my heart.



For all intents and purposes, they are joined at that moment. Especially if you had to reload (with tears in your eyes) from having picked the above line. After seeing and hearing him being torn to shreds inside, there is no doubt that he wants her to be his for the rest of her life.

[AWizardsStaff]

Addai67 wrote...

Wow!  Ouch!!  I am, I think, physically incapable of clicking on things that would provoke such a reaction from that particular blob of pixels.  LOL

I have to say me too. I can't bring myself to hurt people I care about and I DO care about these blobs of pixels.

This would have to be the first game I've ever invested so much emotionally into the characters I'm playing with and that has to be down to the dialogues.

Kudos to the writing team.

[highcastle]

I just wanted to point out that if a male character in a relationship with Zev turns down the ring at first and then accepts it later, you can still get the proposal lines from Zev, which I found rather amusing. Ferelden: officially more contemporary than the States.

[ejoslin]

I think what was the worst moment in this game, though, was not the Alistair hate speech, which in truth got my city elf thinking that romancing him wouldn't be so bad. It was Bann Teagan screaming at her after she let Redcliff fall. THAT is a horrible moment.

[Sabriana]

highcastle wrote...

I just wanted to point out that if a male character in a relationship with Zev turns down the ring at first and then accepts it later, you can still get the proposal lines from Zev, which I found rather amusing. Ferelden: officially more contemporary than the States.

Interesting. We need more men input here, I say.

However, the marriage between f/f and m/m has been acknowledged by my government for quite a few years now.


Edited to add

Ejoslin, I somehow thought that Teagan perishes too. How interesting. What does he say? Teagan is another of my favorites. Can't reach Zevran for many reasons, but still...

If it's too spoilerish, there's always the PM

Modifié par Sabriana, 31 janvier 2010 - 03:45 .