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[ejoslin]

Elps wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

See, that's why I'm so at odds with Awakening. I just don't see Zevran letting her go off alone. Especially when knowing that there might be trouble ahead. Or not come to her side when hearing of bad trouble brewing in Amarantine.
It works the other way around as well. No way in hell would my PC let him go face the crows alone. Never!
As for making sure she's protected from them, well, the writers made sure to throw a very odd (and to me, highly unbelievable and illogical) ambush via the Crows right into the middle of the xpac.
Sorry, but no. The end of Origins made it very clear that he would not leave her. I never read the "for a time" that he would split, I always, from my first unspoiled game on read it as "for a time, and then they both left - together".

I agree. Just look at how he acts if the Warden leaves him behind at the gates. Or what he says about following the Warden to the gates of the black city. No way would he abandon his Warden.

From a role-playing perspective, its unlikely that an elf, who is in love with Zevran, would ever leave his side - or he, hers. Elves are outcasts and stick with their own kind. 

What he says at the gates really cemented it for me, that he would never leave the warden.  He obviously considers himself the luckiest man in the world.

Hah, I actually see playing awakening with an Orlesean warden since the hero of Ferelden said, "screw it," and went to Antiva with Zevran.

[Nonvita]

Morning everyone! *wipes sleep from her eyes* It's far too early and I have a headache, but those shots are beautiful.

Ramante- I had the same problem. Try starting with #1.3 in this thread DLC Troubleshooting, and see if that helps fix the problem. I had to go through several steps to repair my DA Updater utility. Kind of a hassle, but fortunately I haven't had any problems since! If that's not it, the thread obviously has tons of other suggestions, as well. =)

ejoslin wrote...

Hah, I actually
see playing awakening with an Orlesean warden since the hero of Ferelden
said, "screw it," and went to Antiva with Zevran.

Lol! I would do that, too, if it weren't for the fact that Alistair coming back to life miraculously would really ruin the mood.

Modifié par Nonvita, 06 avril 2010 - 12:54 .

[Creature 1]

The only way I can see a split happening is if one of them forced it, like if Zevran thought the Crow trouble was serious enough that the Warden would be guaranteed to die if going to Antiva (perhaps a coordinated effort to wipe out the Warden on the part of the Crows?) and forbade the Warden to follow or if the Warden forbade Zevran to follow to Amaranthine (but how does that work, since the Warden let Zevran fight the Archdemon?) Either way would result in a big fight plus angst.

[Sabriana]

Hi Ramante. There are some people who had that problem too. I wish I could remember in which forum I read about that. It wasn't the tech-forum, that's the only thing I'm sure about.

Lol @ Fuzzy. Language barrier? Clever. Very clever indeed.

I have no elves that romance him, Elps, they are all humans. But they still fell hard for him, and wouldn't leave him. All, save for my (silly) mage and my blood mage are nobles. They had to go through quite a bit of bull shyte to make it clear that they'd never let Zevran go, elf or not.
Both mages (even the silly one) know what it's like to be shunned and mistreated because of how you were born.

I have one elf. A dalish male warrior, 2H berserker. I don't know what I was thinking, but CZ helped me a lot. He, however, decided to fall hard and fast for Morrigan. Which is convenient, because I wanted to see the Morrigan romance from beginning to end.

That be he: (yes, I know. I don't miss a chance to show him off. I need to look at him a lot to get inspired to play him more. I don't understand how I can love a character of mine this much and still play very sparsely with him)


Look at his eyes. That's when he saw Morrigan for the very first time.Well, I needed no further hints about where that one was heading.



My favorite moment. I ask you, would they split up? Never! Never, I say!



It still cracks me up that they stare into each other's eyes, totally oblivious that they are standing on a heap of corpses. , but yet, also

[ejoslin]

 I use this.  It comes with the natural bodies and realistic looks mods.

The bodies look weird after going through the fire though, at that point.  They're a different color.

Edit: Sabriana, that's a beautiful picture.

Modifié par ejoslin, 06 avril 2010 - 01:15 .

[jenovan]

Creature 1 wrote...

The only way I can see a split happening is if one of them forced it, like if Zevran thought the Crow trouble was serious enough that the Warden would be guaranteed to die if going to Antiva (perhaps a coordinated effort to wipe out the Warden on the part of the Crows?) and forbade the Warden to follow or if the Warden forbade Zevran to follow to Amaranthine (but how does that work, since the Warden let Zevran fight the Archdemon?) Either way would result in a big fight plus angst.

I can definitely picture things going the way of the former.  I can see Zevran trying to protect the Warden from the wiles of the Crows... it's one thing to fend them off in Ferelden (and the Warden  had little trouble doing so...) but in the center of their power in Antiva?  I imagine there would only be so much teaching/advising Zevran could give to prepare someone who didn't grow up in that environment.... so I could picture him running off alone, to deal with it alone.

(And... perhaps he wouldn't want the Warden to see him putting on old masks again...  Although he's so unapologetic about his past that I don't know if that's valid...)

Heh, fight and angst indeed. XD  With certain Wardens, I could imagine a slap to the face once they finally caught up with their Antivan. ;P


Edit: Oh yes, good morning, all. XD

Modifié par jenovan, 06 avril 2010 - 01:15 .

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

 I use this.  It comes with the natural bodies and realistic looks mods.

The bodies look weird after going through the fire though, at that point.  They're a different color.

Yeah, if you use those mods, the bodies will be a darker color than they should be during that scene. If you want them to appear correctly, you have to remove everyone's chest, glove, and boot slots before using the altar. It's a little awkward, but if you really want them naked during that part (and it is better that way) then it's the best you can do.

[Creature 1]

jenovan wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

The only way I can see a split happening is if one of them forced it, like if Zevran thought the Crow trouble was serious enough that the Warden would be guaranteed to die if going to Antiva (perhaps a coordinated effort to wipe out the Warden on the part of the Crows?) and forbade the Warden to follow or if the Warden forbade Zevran to follow to Amaranthine (but how does that work, since the Warden let Zevran fight the Archdemon?) Either way would result in a big fight plus angst.

I can definitely picture things going the way of the former.  I can see Zevran trying to protect the Warden from the wiles of the Crows... it's one thing to fend them off in Ferelden (and the Warden  had little trouble doing so...) but in the center of their power in Antiva?  I imagine there would only be so much teaching/advising Zevran could give to prepare someone who didn't grow up in that environment.... so I could picture him running off alone, to deal with it alone.

(And... perhaps he wouldn't want the Warden to see him putting on old masks again...  Although he's so unapologetic about his past that I don't know if that's valid...)

Heh, fight and angst indeed. XD  With certain Wardens, I could imagine a slap to the face once they finally caught up with their Antivan. ;P


Edit: Oh yes, good morning, all. XD

Some Wardens have greater survivability than others.  My Warden is clueless in many ways.  He grew up in the Tower, so he doesn't know where in a city is safe to go, where will result in people trying to kill him, and where he will get arrested for contaminating the streets with his elfness.  Fortunately he's a mage so the mage robes help him get away with his insolent bearing! 

[soignee]

See, my Warden understands he's got to go, and that she has some loose ends to tie up before they can be together again. I can handle the seperation, and it oddly suits her personality.



Also depending what decisions you make in Awakenings you can say FECK YOU to being a Grey Warden, which is what mine will be doing. She'll make sure her sister Rica is ok (she doesn't trust the slimey cave tick that is Bhelen one inch) then she'll head to Antiva. And in my head, it's a thing of beauty. She's Salma Hayek to Zevran's El Mariachi and they have a good time slaughtered Crows in vengeance and retribution... And work their way to the top.



Ah, good times.

[jenovan]

Creature 1 wrote...

Some Wardens have greater survivability than others.  My Warden is clueless in many ways.  He grew up in the Tower, so he doesn't know where in a city is safe to go, where will result in people trying to kill him, and where he will get arrested for contaminating the streets with his elfness.  Fortunately he's a mage so the mage robes help him get away with his insolent bearing! 

LOL, true enough.  I imagine there are plenty of Wardens (like Missa Brosca! XD) who could handle Antiva.  But plenty of others who miiiight... be a liability.   (Hmmm, I think Alessar is somewhere in the middle of that spectrum... XD  Denerim can be an icky place...)

[Tellervo]

Creature 1 wrote...

My Warden intends to live as long as possible through whatever means necessary, but if it came down to it he'd kill himself before going to the Dark Roads to die if it meant Zevran wouldn't be in danger.

This.  Since Cadryn doesn't intend to actually go to his Calling.

jenovan wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Some
Wardens have greater survivability than others.  My Warden is clueless
in many ways.  He grew up in the Tower, so he doesn't know where in a
city is safe to go, where will result in people trying to kill him, and
where he will get arrested for contaminating the streets with his
elfness.  Fortunately he's a mage so the mage robes help him get away
with his insolent bearing!  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png

LOL,
true enough.  I imagine there are plenty of Wardens (like Missa
Brosca! XD) who could handle Antiva.  But plenty of others who
miiiight... be a liability. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/blushing.png  (Hmmm, I think Alessar is somewhere in the middle of that
spectrum... XD  Denerim can be an icky place...)

I can't wait to write this scene out.

Modifié par Tellervo, 06 avril 2010 - 02:06 .

[soignee]

jenovan wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Some Wardens have greater survivability than others.  My Warden is clueless in many ways.  He grew up in the Tower, so he doesn't know where in a city is safe to go, where will result in people trying to kill him, and where he will get arrested for contaminating the streets with his elfness.  Fortunately he's a mage so the mage robes help him get away with his insolent bearing! 

LOL, true enough.  I imagine there are plenty of Wardens (like Missa Brosca! XD) who could handle Antiva.  But plenty of others who miiiight... be a liability.   (Hmmm, I think Alessar is somewhere in the middle of that spectrum... XD  Denerim can be an icky place...)

Yeahhhh. Antiva is not nice. Worse the Ferelden in terms of racism and sexism, and slavery is legal. right? Great. It's OK, Missa and Zevran going on a Master murdering spree and start playing politics... She's already done it for her people and shoved her best friend on the throne, might as well start on Antiva... Goda i cnanot wait to write it, but I need to finish Duster first D:

Also I am meant to be working and skiving on the internets. It's really obviously when I do it. I've become the master of *switching ASAP!* windows though when someone official comes by...

[Sabriana]

My silly mage, well, I don't know. She might be a bit queasy going to Antiva, but she would do it for him. I see her more as a human female Alessar.

My BM/AW would have no problems. She'd be an unstoppable force to be reckoned with, Antiva be damned, she doesn't care. How a bout a plate of nice, roasted Crow for dinner? Shale? Anyone?

My warriors and rogues would have none of that silly separations there. They already lost far too much to risk him getting killed too. So whenever I purchase Awakening my PC will be Orlesian too - with a language barrier.

Edited to add: I'm starting to really admire Missa.

Modifié par Sabriana, 06 avril 2010 - 02:12 .

[jenovan]

Tellervo wrote...

I can't wait to write this scene out.

Tease.

Sabriana wrote...

My silly mage, well, I don't know. She might be a bit queasy going to Antiva, but she would do it for him. I see her more as a human female Alessar.

Yeah, I don't think Alessar feels the least bit safe going to Antiva, but he'd be willing (well, determined) to try.

[Sannox]

I felt I had to come to terms with a separation to get through Awakening. I wanted to do it with one of my characters, and I wanted the reunion with Zevran at the end. This particular character had had a crappy epilogue card with Origins (Zevran stayed with his love for a time). I didn't believe it. I didn't believe they would separate after a time. But I made myself imagine a temporary separation - the warden has to rebuild the keep, Zevran has to sort something out in Antiva, because it was the only way to play it through for that character. I did feel more satisfied with the Awakening epilogue.

[Sabriana]

Jenovan, that is so much like my silly mage, it's uncanny .

That's exactly how she would feel. Scared, but willing to do it. For Zevran.

[Sabriana]

Sannox, maybe I'm weird, but I really never read that epilogue like this. It never even occured to me somehow. I never read "he stayed for a time and then left her" I always read it as "They stayed for a time and then left - together."

I only became aware that people took this in any other way after reading it on the boards. I'm not really weird, am I? *sniffle*

[Sannox]

I always wanted to get Zevran back to Antiva, at least for a while, because he was so homesick. I imagined getting enough money from Anora or Alistair to pay off the relevant people. I didn't want him to go back to the Crows, or to run the Crows, or be involved with the Crows.

[Sabriana]

The only way *my* Zevran will ever end up with the Crows again is if my PC does the us. And my PCs might be odd/snarky/naive/whatever, but they are not doing that.

I'm not brave enough to face that funeral and that epilogue again, so they'll stay alive.

Btw, TY, Ejoslin. I'm partial to those pictures myself. 

Modifié par Sabriana, 06 avril 2010 - 02:30 .

[Minaleth]

soignee wrote...
Ah, good times.

I see our wardens have similar ambitions and adventuring spirit :3 Antivan Crows for dinner, yes.

She's done the Amaranthine business because she feels obliged to Gray Wardens, but right after that she'd packed and headed straight to track down the only thing that makes her go on. The separation was inevitable so I imagine the reunion as quite passionate event. Then they take over the Crows for the heck of it and it's probably more a decomposition from inside than acknowledgement of their methods. Maybe they reassemble the Crows to something more according to their taste and leave afterwards for another quest.

Warden's calling - I don't know. I think she doesn't like the idea of Zev joining her, but she could be persuaded seeing there is no other way.

[Sannox]

Sabriana wrote...

Sannox, maybe I'm weird, but I really never read that epilogue like this. It never even occured to me somehow. I never read "he stayed for a time and then left her" I always read it as "They stayed for a time and then left - together."
I only became aware that people took this in any other way after reading it on the boards. I'm not really weird, am I? *sniffle*

No, not at all weird.  I don't think all the 'for a time' epilogues read the same way.   My dwarf got:

They continued their adventures together--at least for a time.

It's ambiguous, and I couldn't work out what had happened - had they separated, or one or both died?  Or did they just stop adventuring?  So I think that one reads the way that you read it.
My elf got:

Zevran, however, elected to remain at the side of his love--at least for a time.

What?  Grammatically speaking, surely that means that he elected to stay at least for a time - i.e. he didn't commit to staying?   Which makes a nonsense of what he said in the game, about being with my mage till death. 

I finished this game after patching, and I wonder if this was something that was changed in the patch.  I had read that male PCs were described as women in the epilogues, but mine got 'his love'.    I wonder if the epilogues were messed up by accident when that was fixed, or if this particular epilogue was always different.    I can't even remember now which option my PC picked, because there wasn't an Antiva one.  

I might play through the end again and see what epilogues come up, unless someone knows if there's a list of epilogues and their conditions somewhere?  (The wording, I mean).

Anyway, the temporary separation of Awakening seemed worth it to have them stay together forever at the end. 

Modifié par Sannox, 06 avril 2010 - 02:44 .

[soignee]

Yeah... There's bound to be unfinished business in Ferelden too. Missa worries about her sister... Bhelen really is an oily bastard. He may be the "right" ruler in the slide, but that doesn't mean he's exactly good. While the dwarves needed a violent restart and reformation, her sister is caught up in all that; Rica was made ambassador and not just
a concubine, so she's smack in the middle of all that nasty dwarven politics, and Rica is pretty clueless. Sweet and kind and hopeful she may be, but politician she is not.

She's stupidly in love with Bhelen too, which is just... "oh honey, no." So I imagine Missa returns 'home' every few years to annoy Alistair and call him an idiot as well as check up on family.

I need to work out if she stays in Antiva or not, I'm not sure. One thing is though is that she doesn't view herself as a Grey Warden anymore. Taint be damned!

Modifié par soignee, 06 avril 2010 - 02:42 .