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[Minaleth]

So in Alley's case it's the same character in various circumstances... interesting but bit alien concept to me I never recreate any character of mine, not even in games. I recycled names few times, but never the char per se (I used to ropleplay a lot in NWN persistent worlds). I will think of this some more, it might have a potential.
What makes her the same char over and over? How big role plays apperence, physical features?

Edit: OMG top page and I don't have screenshot *panic*
Edit2: Here, have some lulzy nsfw fanart insted, property of Fukari (deviantart).

Modifié par Minaleth, 07 avril 2010 - 11:17 .

[Charsen]

Sabriana wrote...

Oh she will, Charsen. Poor thing has been waiting around long enough
It would be great if there were tutorials around on how to change/edit conversations properly, and how to touch up screenshots. Unfortunately, they get lost in this thread. Perhaps the group...?? We do, after all, usually do those things if/when they affect Zevran in some way.
I've been trying to find stuff, such as the CharGeneration in the toolset and such, but I seem to have lost my memory of where they are in here. I also lost the piece of paper with the page numbers on it. That's it. It's a sad fact. I'm losing it.

touch up screenshots like in photoshop? i know very little about photoshop sadly. i use MS Paint for my screenshots.   CZ and a few others in this thread might know more.

for editing/changing conversations, that's tricky. depends on what you want to do.
for one thing, any new or moved NPC lines that change the UID of the line must be re-voiced. Even if you are copying it directly, the new UID is not pointed to from the old UID. you have to rebuild the .fsb (voice file) but i have written a tutorial on this. it's not impossible at all, it's just a little cumbersome at first. i was working on a shianni dialogue with borrowed lines (still wanna get back to that someday...)

but if you use all responses as links and not copies, then you can add more PC responses and copy any NPC response and paste as a link. this will let you add any PC response and modify what is said but it's very limited. you cannot paste as link a single line response, for example, you must paste the entire branch of the dialogue tree.

one thing that is easy to do and doesn't require any changes to dialogue voice overs is just to modify the PC's dialogue text alone without moving anything. it's not a very big change though but you can change some things, like for example the PC response to Leliana concerning a male warden + zevran. i haven't done that change but someone could, if they were inclined, go to that branch and change one of the responses to be somewhat appropriate.

do you mean head morphs in the toolset? i can write up a quick tutorial for that right now.

open toolset
File -> New -> Morph
At the top of the toolbar, under "Help", there is a drop-down menu that says [Choose base]. 
Click this menu and select your base (HM = Human Male, EF = Elf Female, etc)
It should now load up a mannequin head
On the right side of the toolset (default) there is an Object Inspector window
---> if you don't see the window go to View -> Other windows -> object inspector
In the Object inspector, you can edit the different sliders for your head. These will use any MODS you have installed, so make sure you are aware of that before you distribute your head.

Using the Object Inspector:
* If you click on 01. Material, you will see 01. Skin Color. Click on the field by this and you will see [...] three dots, and click on that and it will open up a list of all the skin files you can use. Sadly you cannot preview these. =X
* Blending Skin Texture & Skin Type is generally not used for PCs, but it adds some different effects. Play with it, but save your head before you do so.
* in fact, it is good practice to save your head before switching tabs.
* Tattoos are interesting. 02. Part Selection has your tattoo masks. Each mask has 4 tattoos. Whether a tattoo shows up is dependent on the darkness of the color it has. a 0.00 tattoo will not be visible. If you select a mask, then apply different colors to each of the 4 tattoos (02=green, 04=blue, 06=red, 08=white) then you can usually see the tattoos on each mask. Set the sliders to 1.00 to make the colors darker. When you find the tattoo you like, just turn the other colors down to 0.00 again.

Most other stuff in the inspector is self-explanatory. Some of the fields exclude other fields. You cannot have a nose that is upturned and also downturned. Stuff like that.

You shouldn't mess with the View Settings unless you have a specific need.
Export: .mor for use in the toolset, and .mop is for using your head in the game. You can set to one, export, set to the other & export again.

One thing that is funny/interesting is 15. Unique Shapes.
Zevran is a preset, Leliana, Wynne, etc are also. You can use a slider to turn any head into a Zevran head, for example. Fun to play with, but weird.

When you are happy with your head, save it again, go up to the tab at the top of the toolset that says Yourhead.mrh and right-click it. Go to export -> Post to local.

this will post your head in your Documents/Bioware/Dragon Age/Addins/ModuleName/core/override/toolsetexport

If it's a .mor and you want to use it in the toolset for an NPC, put it here:
C:/Program Files/Dragon Age/packages/core/override (or similar path)

If it's a .mop and you want to use it to replace a preset, then i will refer you to another post since mine is already quite long.

Here are some more references for making head morphs:
Beerfish's post on morphs for PCs
Core & Single player head morphs (Resource)
Jackfuzz's post on changing NPC morphs


Also for either head morphs or the conversation tutorials, i would mention the wiki:
Toolset wiki list of tutorials
while it is a little messy it's a good starting point..

this probably seems overwhelming. but trust me it's not bad! if i wasn't heading to bed i would have cleaned this up into a proper tutorial. i hope it is enough to at least get you going.

i am just a little rambly. darn insomnia... gotta be up in 4 hrs too.  *fails at sleeping* night folks.

Modifié par Charsen, 07 avril 2010 - 11:18 .

[sami jo]

Awww, Charsen, I feel your pain. My two hours of sleep was interrupted by my idiot dog having a spring squirrel melt-down. I need to leave in a few minutes. Have a good nap!



And you are very coherent when tired and rambly. Thank you!

[Sabriana]

*Notes down page number* 640. Got it. I shall now tuck you in. Sleep well, my friend. I will echo SJ. I wish I was that coherent while wide awake

Sorry about your sleep-problem (dog) Sami Jo. Iirc, MD has a lot of squirrels. I was quite shocked to see that they are grey, and some are huge. Poor Sami Jo.

[caradoc2000]

Six-and-a-half hundred pages of a guy who dies in the first encounter

To answer the original question: not a single thing.

[sami jo]

Sabriana wrote...

*Notes down page number* 640. Got it. I shall now tuck you in. Sleep well, my friend. I will echo SJ. I wish I was that coherent while wide awake
Sorry about your sleep-problem (dog) Sami Jo. Iirc, MD has a lot of squirrels. I was quite shocked to see that they are grey, and some are huge. Poor Sami Jo.

I have been an insomniac since I was a small child.  The dog is going to be the death of me, though.  We moved here from the southwest.  The squirrels in the southwest are much more shy.  The ones in our yard here throw things at her--thus the obsession.

[Kaioku]

Aroihkin wrote...

Kaioku wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

Kaioku wrote...

Guys, I have a question. When do you think Zevran had his facial tattoo done? Do you (generally) think it's a dalish- or a crow thing? I myself don't see the dalish putting a needle to a newborn's face, so I suppose it's one he had done to accentuate his facial features... but when?
Because I'm currently drawing an eight-nine-ish year old Zev, and I'm wondering whether or not I should just turn off that layer it's on. :/

IIRC, the Dalish don't tattoo faces at all until coming-of-age. So it's either a Crow/Antivan thing, or something he had done when he briefly ran off to hang out with the Dalish. Probably Antivan/Crow, though, since he talks at one point about other tattoos on him that are sacred to the Crows, etc.

*snip*

Alright, thanks. :3

Anyway, see what I mean?

Super duper freaking belatedly, but that looks amazing. And I kind of like it with the markings better, but logically I think they'd be warped now if he'd gotten them that young. Alas. From what I can see of it, it still looks like him without the markings, though, if that's your worry!

*snippity*

Why thank you ever so much! I've been on this thing for about a week now, I believe, and already pulled two all-nighters. It's incredible to think that there are artists who are capable of this sort of thing in a matter of a mere couple hours, I spent three days on his freaking face alone to make it look like this. Makes me hurt on the inside that I have to ruin it with blood  *lol* Should have mapped those stains out beforehand I guess..
Buuut I need to learn to use photoshop for proper coloring. In this case it combines two things I suck at, which is light/shadows and atmosphere through colors. I have absolutely no problem to get things right when I have a model, be it a picture or... "lifestock" xD But this? Mapping out how and where the light is supposed to go to which intensity and all, it's insane. But I'm getting more bold by the hour and things are starting to look up. Although I kind of wished for a blood spatter analyst to tell me something about velocity impact spatter and directionality right now...
Taliesen makes a cameo appearance in the background. That freak. Should see the look on his face, it's so effing serene and calm, so creepy.

/rant
Sorry, I needed to get this off my chest very badly. You have no idea what it does to a person to stare into the eyes of a kid that just... lalala, and knowing how young he is and... drawing makes things real to me, in their own way, and this... is really a test for my psyche. Makes me sick to the stomach it does.

Now on to you: I have read Immovable Object before I even knew you were in this thread, and I greatly enjoyed it. At first it was a little estranging to have something written from Zev's perspective that did not make me feel like: Yes, I want to be the one to give rise to those kind of thoughts!, if you know what I mean. It was refreshingly different, and I think it also gives a huge lot more depth to his character. It's easy to find someone physically attractive if they are good-looking, and even though your character is blatantly described as downright ugly, there is this spark, and it's very, very entertaining for me to follow. And I'm not even talking about mental attraction/connection here. It's different, it's refreshing, and it's really well written. I like your fic a lot. :happy:
It doesn't hurt either that I imagine her voice to sound like the slightly higher pitched version of Geralt's from The Witcher game/saga. *haha* He's the only other character I ever encountered who was described as having the most horrible, nails-to-the-chalk-board-kinda voice. Adds to her attraction imo. :innocent:
Any way, I would very much love to read more, and soon.

[Sabriana]

Lol about the squirrels. When I was there, I stayed with a family in Severn, MD. Real close to Fort Meade, and very woodsy. They had a huge back-yard, 2 dogs, 2 cats, and a hamster. Well, the hamster doesn't take part in the story, just an honorable mention.

I swear I saw a squirrel teasing the dogs and cats though. It hoped from one tree to another without apparent reason, and the critters below followed it from the one tree to the other. Same two trees, too. The squirrel never even tried to get away, just went back and forth, as if it enjoyed watching the cats and dogs act like that.

To make a long story short, I remember thinking "You silly squirrel. If one of the branches you land on breaks, you're dead meat." Right afterward a branch did break. ------> cue squirrel funeral music <------



Ohhh, Kaioku, I meant to comment on your drawing. Wunderschön. (beautiful)

[sami jo]

@Sabriana: You were right up the road! Our dog has actually caught squirrels, but she is more interested in sniffing them than eating them. The last one bit her nose and ran away. She has yet to do more than give one a funky hairdo.

And where do all of you artistically gifted people come from?! *is jealous*

[soulsweeper87]

ejoslin wrote...

Nonvita wrote...

ejoslin, have I ever mentioned that your CE is gorgeous?

If I start talking at you, it's because the rest of this thread right now is zipping over my head. I'm right there with you on the culturally unawares-ness. At least on this.

Ooooh, thank you.  She was my test subject -- the only character I had that had a "still in love" Alistair who refused the ritual.  Soulsweeper sent me a Anora Queen, sacrifice inc. for testing as well  She's far better at making attractive characters than I am.

But... But Milva (my CE) was supposed to be rather unattractive. 
NSFW pics again, huh? I already know what's in there, but I still want to see for myself. Same goes for gay jrpg individual <_< Have to resist!

[sami jo]

@soulsweeper: Resistance is wise.

[ejoslin]

Aroihkin wrote...


Alistair fangirls frighten me. This is where I resist telling the story of Why I Left SiB on LJ, because it's only going to get me run out of this thread with torches and pitchforks, and shunned by this half of the fandom as well.

Hmmmmm, we only run out trolls with torches and pitchforks -- and only persistent ones.

@Sabriana I have a high quality video of that scene.  OMG.  One thing I never noticed, when Zevran says, "Yes, yes, I know," he gives a quick, sad smile, more just a small upturn of the corners of his mouth.  I've watched that more times.  Anyway, let me know if you want the high quality avi -- it's... stunning.

@soulsweeper Your unattractive is far better looking than the attractive I attempt to make!

@Charsen rest well

@sami jo, I've given up on a full nights sleep by now!

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 avril 2010 - 12:23 .

[Minaleth]

sami jo wrote...
And where do all of you artistically gifted people come from?! *is jealous*

Lol, I don't know about the others but in my case its was not a gift but a result of many MANY hours spent drawing - mostly during incredibly boring high school times. It can be learned. Draw from life two hours a day and you will see, in few years it will be presentable

[Aroihkin]

Minaleth wrote...

So in Alley's case it's the same character in various circumstances... interesting but bit alien concept to me I never recreate any character of mine, not even in games. I recycled names few times, but never the char per se. I will think of this some more, it might have a potential.
What makes her the same char over and over? How big role plays apperence, physical features?

Ohhh boy, haha, this is going to be long. Many apologies to innocent bystanders.

Her personality is always the same; mannerisms, quirks... all within the boundaries of the setting of course. The last version before IO was in a modern setting and chain-smoked like turning her lungs to tar was her personal mission in life. This version has no access to cancer-sticks. Beyond vices and habits, her personality might change a little over the course of a story or it might not, like IO making her fall for someone, or Impressing to a dragon making her less rigid, but it never changes massively.

Here's three exerpts from very different settings! Same character in all of them. I tried not to take huge long ones, and context will be missing and such, but I think Alley's recognisable in all of them.

Dragonlance setting, fanfiction:

"Bodies," Alleyana said simply, resting a hand on one hip and standing still in the middle of the room, "Three black-robe mages, one last night in our courtyard and two left leaning against our front gates this morning. Someone was busy." The Weaponsmaster reached into her pocket and produced a bit of folded parchment with dried blood smeared on it, and she held it out to Raistlin. "This was in one of their hands. You been pissing off any dead people, Majere?"

The cold, steel-like quality of Alley's gaze was still alarming, even if it had been that way ever since Tannusen had died. Akara watched the warrior and the mage as her neck was unwrapped by the doctor, reflecting that Alleyana was a bit crazy on a good day... having her little brother blown up meant that the good days were over. She was literally just waiting to kill someone, and maybe to go out at the same time.

Pern setting, roleplay game:

"Deadly? The only things I murder well are rope drills and combat practice!" A'riste mutters at Kassima, before whirling to beam at Alleyana. "We're so happy that you've, ah, well-- Ah, shards." And he flings an arm 'round Alleyana's shoulders. "I was so /worried/!" he doesn't quite wail. "You got sort of crazy in the eye after you left Ista and I didn't know what you'd do and I and T'nnusen figured you'd run off into the desert and do something really lethally stupid and then you got Searched instead and now you're here and safe and I'm -- we're -- so /glad/!" Cool, composed, charming... right now, he is most assuredly /not/.

"I'm always sort of crazy in the eye," Alley points out mildly, holding her klah mug well out of range of not-quite-wailing bronzeriders. She doesn't hug back, just as she didn't the last time he did this; just sits there like a rock and doesn't seem particularly impatient or offended or even very awkward. The woman raised T'nnusen, after all.  "Benden's duties to Igen and Fort respectively," she adds as though she /isn't/ being used as a perch.

World of Darkness setting, roleplay game:

"Yeah, well, that's why the people with names to lose get so uptight about it, too," Alleyana taps the ash off her cigarette into the can. "I'd do some pretty horrible things to someone I caught Saining me. And if I couldn't  anymore, I'd call in people I know who still could."

Amadeo looks up at her, and then opens his mouth to say something. And then closes it, and then bravely  ventures, "Um, yeah. About that, um. I was going to ask, um. If you'd let me."

"Let you...?" Oh yes, that's a dangerous tone in Alley's voice as she raises an eyebrow, eyeing him very closely.

"...Sainyousoyouwon'tgethurtasbadifanythinghappens," Amadeo mumbles at very high speed, his eyes huge, having blanched to a beautifully appalling shade of scared.

"No," is all Alleyana says.

"IswearI'dneverdoanythingawfulwithit," Amadeo rattles off, clasping his hands together earnestly. "Ijustwanttomakesureyoudon'tdie. You'remybestfriend." If he talks fast enough, she might not kill him before he's done talking! Right? ...Right?

"Bull****," Alley scoffs once she's figured out that last bit, taking a drag of her cigarette, and letting the smoke out with her words, "We hardly even hang out, barely communicate, and never agree on ****. And no."

"You're security, you know everybody's habits," Amadeo continues, a little slower now that he's not been impaled upon his own, well, something, she's resourceful! "How many people do I hang out with? Who ever talks to me like I'm not a painting or a, a... Who treats me like I'm just some **** like everyone else? You're not much of a best friend, that's true, but you're the only one I've got!"

"...That's pretty pathetic," Alleyana notes with her usual tact, grace, and charm. Flick, goes her cigarette ashes into the can, "Though it's not like I can talk."

...Sorry for the spam, guys! And if the formatting went wonky, give me a few minutes to edit out the extra linebreaks.

EDIT: There, fixed! Oh, and her injuries aren't even consistent through versions, IO is the first version with mangled hands. She's usually a clay-sculptor as a hobby, something I plan to put into IO as pre-injury as well. The nose is a constant, and the voice usually is at least rough or quiet, though one version was capable of singing decently enough.

Modifié par Aroihkin, 07 avril 2010 - 12:41 .

[sami jo]

Minaleth wrote...

sami jo wrote...
And where do all of you artistically gifted people come from?! *is jealous*

Lol, I don't know about the others but in my case its was not a gift but a result of many MANY hours spent drawing - mostly during incredibly boring high school times. It can be learned. Draw from life two hours a day and you will see, in few years it will be presentable

I am officially unteachable where drawing is concerned.  I just cannot translate three dimensions to two dimensions.  I'm the kind of student who makes art teachers cry.

[Aroihkin]

Charsen wrote...

A metric ****ton of awesome stuff about the toolset that I need to bookmark.

I understand you take payment in virtual foods? I'll share my pizza if that counts. Very helpful.

Kaioku wrote...

*snip!* Art rantings! And fanfic foo.

Re art rant: Sometimes you have to illustrate the painful, though, to pay tribute to it. And your coloring is looking gorgeous, and I say that as someone who lives with a professional colorist. I think it's up there with the stuff my roommate puts out for money! (*grins and waits for that to get yanked right out of context!*)

Re fanfic stuff: :wub: the people in this thread are going to make me blush at this rate. I'm glad you like her! And I'm glad Zev's first reactions didn't put you off. <3 It's sort of like the picture you're drawing, in a way (if I understand that it's of a dramatic, ugly moment!). One has to show the ugly things to make the pretty prettier.

ejoslin wrote...
Hmmmmm, we only run out
trolls with torches and pitchforks -- and only persistent ones.

Yeah, but that's how I thought sib was too!  Though I didn't get chased out; I simply left when I realized the environment was one I was highly disinterested in remaining in.

But I don't want to trash-talk, anyway, not everyone there was even involved, and I know some nice folks who are members.

[ejoslin]

*grin* Fair enough! I've been run out of enough Ali-Love threads, I know what it gets like anyway!

[ejoslin]

Hmmmm, it's been awhile, so I took Wynne to the gauntlet with my CEF. I can't get over how bad that whole thing is. *sigh* I wasn't thinking and already killed the dragon cult. I should have gotten the blood instead!

[Sabriana]

ejoslin wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...


Alistair fangirls frighten me. This is where I resist telling the story of Why I Left SiB on LJ, because it's only going to get me run out of this thread with torches and pitchforks, and shunned by this half of the fandom as well.

Hmmmmm, we only run out trolls with torches and pitchforks -- and only persistent ones.

@Sabriana I have a high quality video of that scene.  OMG.  One thing I never noticed, when Zevran says, "Yes, yes, I know," he gives a quick, sad smile, more just a small upturn of the corners of his mouth.  I've watched that more times.  Anyway, let me know if you want the high quality avi -- it's... stunning.

@soulsweeper Your unattractive is far better looking than the attractive I attempt to make!

@Charsen rest well

@sami jo, I've given up on a full nights sleep by now!

{Bolded by me}  Is that a serious question? Naaah, can't be. Of course I want. *drools*

Hey, I saw you in Morrigan's thread. I know you were upset, but it still made me laugh. I sort of pictured your avatar scolding the Morrigan fanboys. They were quite nice about it though. I'm reading it for  my dalish. I need to be prepared for when he gets his heart broken. *wipes away tear*

I really loved that area, Sami Jo. It was close to Washington, and closer to Baltimore. Fells Point FTW. University of Baltimore was right in the middle of the cultural area, with a theatre a symphony hall, and a high falluting college of the arts all around it. Lovely little bars and sidewalk restaurants too.

Not that I went to these bars. No, no. Slander and lies. I was a very serious student. Really. *blushes*

You'd think the art college being oh so close would've rubbed off on me a bit. But nooo. I do however, put my stick figures up against anyone elses. They are quite lovely.

I want to see Soulsweeper's elf. Now I'm curious.

[ejoslin]

Sabriana, I'm zipping it up right now, I should have seen how small I can get it before making that offer -- it's over 1GB. Getting it to you may be an issue! And yeh, the Morriboys were nice -- I shouldn't have yelled!

Edit: And I'm sure your stick men are better than mine! 

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 avril 2010 - 01:09 .

[SurrealSadi]

soignee wrote...

BB I think you and I both are running on crazy and caffiene now, I know I am. I always get fuzzy on cold medicine, for some reason.
Gah my new chapter sucks but I published it goddammitttttttttt. Pretend it never happened and move swiftly on.

Oh, it can't be THAT bad! I read it and found it flowed perfectly with the rest of the story and with how Zev is.

Edit: *wavies to everyone!* Back injuries take forever to heal... least it doesn't hurt, cept for when it randomly cramps up... <.<

Modifié par SurrealSadi, 07 avril 2010 - 01:05 .

[Aroihkin]

Over 1GB? O_O How high-quality is this vid?



(And what can I shift around to make room for it, hmm.) This *is* going up where we can all get it, I hope?

[ejoslin]

I don't know where I can post it, actually. It IS huge. It's 1920x1080 I believe -- at least, that's the resolution I play DAO at. I don't have the software to compress it in a high quality way, so it's just the raw AVI that fraps spit out.

[Aroihkin]

I'd offer to host it, but I think my bandwidth would curl up in a little ball and cry, lol! AWN is on the lowest-tier plan for that sort of thing, since it's mostly just text, avatars, and sigs of mine with the occasional macro-spam I post on boards and such.



Hmm, megaupload or something perhaps? I'm not sure what their file size limits are, though.

[Sabriana]

Oh wow! That is big, Ejoslin. Gah! And the only one that pops into my head is Megaupload too. Oh darnit. I really would love to see it.



About the yelling, yes you should have. I'm getting a bit sick of people complaining about the thread. Especially a cross-thread that deals with Awakenings. But he was nice enough about that, I admit.



Trolls? I love trolls. They are much fun. Remember our last good one? I missed the original, but had oodles of fun in his other thread. And I know that Ejoslin love them too. She can bombard them with dwarf kiss pictures all over the place. It's a win/win situation. Laughing and FemDwarf/Zevran kisses, yay.