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[TripLight]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Also O/T, but I figure people here would know... husband bought Neverwinter Nights 2. Do people like that game? Thumbs up, down? I don't want to waste time learning a new game if it's a bust

It is a good game, I can tell you that. The camera is annoying at best but you get used to it after a while, beside that nothing bad to say about it.

What I want to ask is how women can be more attracted to Alistair then Zevran. I won't pretend to know what women like, but doesn't the whole charming rogue thing get to them more then Alistair humor?

I did romance Alistair on my first and second playthroughs, and I did love it. Then as I was lurking the forums here I happened upon this thread. I became intrigued, because Al's romance was sweet, but thats all it was to me sweet. Not any real depth or meaning that I felt, like a teen romance.  And it seemed the relationship to me was always on his terms if you wanted it. When I read a post from ejoslin here( that video is amazing by the way), she stated that  Zevran's romance was more fullfilling, satisfying, and deep. Intrigued, I was.

So I rolled another elf mage and set about romancing Zevran. Oh my GOD, I was blown away by it to be completely honest. Sure Alistair did make me blush. But Zevran made me blush, flutter, swoon, and to contemplate his character more deeply then I have ever done with any other.

Edit: Whoops, top of the page , SCREEN SHOT! Zev and Fem Elf kiss

Modifié par TripLight, 07 avril 2010 - 05:34 .

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Addai67, my Alistair changes are not fully tested.  Everything SHOULD be working as planned, and I tested quite a bit with "hostile" and "still in love" Alistair, and I also tested with Anora as solo queen, but my eyes were crossing at the Landsmeet stuff.  If you see any bugs, let me know!  Unfortunately, most of the stuff that is tested has quite a bit of dialog to get to in order to get to the dialogs.  Plus, removing all references of him being king when he not king...  That took him down from about 18 responses at the AD to 2.

I'm not sure I have any games that qualify for these things or I'd be happy to test.  Haven't made Anora sole ruler since my first character and I don't think I have any still-in-love ones, either.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Addai67, my Alistair changes are not fully tested.  Everything SHOULD be working as planned, and I tested quite a bit with "hostile" and "still in love" Alistair, and I also tested with Anora as solo queen, but my eyes were crossing at the Landsmeet stuff.  If you see any bugs, let me know!  Unfortunately, most of the stuff that is tested has quite a bit of dialog to get to in order to get to the dialogs.  Plus, removing all references of him being king when he not king...  That took him down from about 18 responses at the AD to 2.

I'm not sure I have any games that qualify for these things or I'd be happy to test.  Haven't made Anora sole ruler since my first character and I don't think I have any still-in-love ones, either.

Oh, don't worry about actual bug testing.  I would not ask testing of anything more than a line or two on ANYONE!  But since you often romance Alistair, if you come across any, don't be shy!

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
What I want to ask is how women can be more attracted to Alistair then Zevran. I won't pretend to know what women like, but doesn't the whole charming rogue thing get to them more then Alistair humor?

I'm equal parts Ali and Zevran fangirl, I like them both for their respective sexiness and character qualities.  Actually not so different- both are well-written characters and the romances are incredible.  At least, incredible to me, who never expected to find such sweet, beautiful love stories in a video game.  I choose which one my PC ends up with mainly based on what I feel the character would go with RP-wise.

[MorGothic]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

What I want to ask is how women can be more attracted to Alistair then Zevran. I won't pretend to know what women like, but doesn't the whole charming rogue thing get to them more then Alistair humor?

Alister fangirl rarely see him as a charming rouge...

The whole Alister romance is very "truu wuv", he's their knight in shining armour oh yeah and they get to be Queen...

Personally I can't stand the hypocrital, whiny (royal) bastard...oh sure he's funny but Sten's funny (infact Sten is far funnier)...

And no one knows what women like, not even most women...<_<  

[sami jo]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Also O/T, but I figure people here would know... husband bought Neverwinter Nights 2. Do people like that game? Thumbs up, down? I don't want to waste time learning a new game if it's a bust

It is a good game, I can tell you that. The camera is annoying at best but you get used to it after a while, beside that nothing bad to say about it.

What I want to ask is how women can be more attracted to Alistair then Zevran. I won't pretend to know what women like, but doesn't the whole charming rogue thing get to them more then Alistair humor?

Allistair is sweet in the puppies and flowers and rainbows and romance sort of way.  If you are looking for prince charming, I he has his appeal (though his inability to make a single decision would have killed that for me even if he didn't remind me of my 15 year old).  He appeals to those who *always* wanted to be a princess, and judging from the threads that very fact is part of his appeal as well. 

With Zev, he is less charming than he is amusing to me.  He was the one who wasn't demanding anything from my PC and was the only one who approached him/her repeatedly to make him/her feel better.  He was committed to *me* not to fighting darkspawn (not that he didn't find that extremely worthy, but he would have followed my PCs to learn underwater basketweaving if they had chosen).  He made me laugh and he was relaxing.  That was the initial appeal.  What hooked me was the character's depth.  He takes time to get to know and he is the most loyal of all the companions, even as just a friend (and I have done friend playthroughs).  I enjoy the Morrigan romance because of that depth as well, but she never just gives herself over and completely trusts the PC the way Zev does, which is why I prefer Zev even if Claudia Black's voice makes me melt.

And then there is Lel, who is everything I hate in a woman.  I'm far from butch but I seem to have completely missed the uber-girly gene.

[Aroihkin]

On top of what other folks have said about the Alistair romance...

I've never managed to romance Alistair. I just couldn't dig him that way after the Isolde/Connor thing in my first play-through. The hypocricy was actually a dealbreaker for me; it's not something I'd put up with in real life, either; even a friendship would get strained by that sort of behavior.

I still like him fine as a character, mind you. And I keep saying I'll try his romance someday. But... meh. I probably won't.

I guess flighty virgins with the whenever-convenient moral high-ground just aren't my thing.

Zevran, meanwhile, is as loyal to you as a friend as he is as a romance, if you bother to talk to him. I really dig that.

He also doesn't sit quietly when something's got his fur ruffled, either; he gives his opinion before anyone's been sacrificed/slaughtered and lets you act on it as you wish. None of Alistair's sitting by quietly while things are done and then screaming at you later, bs.

Some folks cite Zev's innuendo at the rest of the party as a reason to not like him, but, eh. He's not actually sleeping with any of them, even if you're not in a romance with him. That's just how he handles people, and how he manages conversations. I've known people in real life that were way worse about it. Hell, I've been way worse about it sometimes, hitting on my then-best-friend in front of my relatives just to @#%$ them off.

This may or may not have involved sitting in laps. And a lot of giggling. And comments about leaving my clothes on next time. I've never seen my aunt twitch like that before.

I guess Zev's just more real to me than Alistair? Or Alistair is just too much like someone I'd hang out with but never get close to? I dunno.

...Two hours of sleep! I'm a ramblin' fool.

[Sannox]

Why must I go to work when I have this thread to read? How am I ever going to catch up? Good evening/morning/afternoon all. So much to read, so many interesting discussions I've missed.

[sami jo]

MorGothic wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

What I want to ask is how women can be more attracted to Alistair then Zevran. I won't pretend to know what women like, but doesn't the whole charming rogue thing get to them more then Alistair humor?

Alister fangirl rarely see him as a charming rouge...

The whole Alister romance is very "truu wuv", he's their knight in shining armour oh yeah and they get to be Queen...

Personally I can't stand the hypocrital, whiny (royal) bastard...oh sure he's funny but Sten's funny (infact Sten is far funnier)...

And no one knows what women like, not even most women...<_<  

Hey now, I know what I want!  I must admit, though, that this is part of the reason that most of my friends are men and that, despite my general inclinations, I have a really amazing husband instead of a wife.

[Ramante]

Aroihkin wrote...

On top of what other folks have said about the Alistair romance...

I've never managed to romance Alistair. I just couldn't dig him that way after the Isolde/Connor thing in my first play-through. The hypocricy was actually a dealbreaker for me; it's not something I'd put up with in real life, either; even a friendship would get strained by that sort of behavior.

The thing I hated about that situation was the fact that he came up with the idea to kill Connor in the first place. So I decided, because he was a templar, that he probably knew what he was talking about and I killed Connor. Man, he was pissed because I listened to him. o.o'

@ejoslin, tried removing the mods (scared the crap out of me, my human mage had no hair. o.o) but it is not working. My elven mage keeps getting the 'unauthorised' message. A well... dead sentence to her, I guess.

[Addai]

Uh, there's no reason to be disparaging of Alistair fans.  I don't doubt that there are some "puppy love" aspects to the romance, but that's not typically appealing to me and I also encounter plenty of other Ali fangirls who are thoughtfully appreciative of the character and not just drooling teenagers.

The story of a bastard prince coming into his own has Romantic aspects with a capital R, it's a classic theme and one similarly popular with Maric.  And the fact that your PC becomes a hero and a legend is sort of a given, too, so whether they're queen, king, or simply the Hero of Ferelden, is beside the point.

But this is why comparisons are bad, and thus I'll just stay out of it. 

[MorGothic]

sami jo wrote...

MorGothic wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

What I want to ask is how women can be more attracted to Alistair then Zevran. I won't pretend to know what women like, but doesn't the whole charming rogue thing get to them more then Alistair humor?

Alister fangirl rarely see him as a charming rouge...

The whole Alister romance is very "truu wuv", he's their knight in shining armour oh yeah and they get to be Queen...

Personally I can't stand the hypocrital, whiny (royal) bastard...oh sure he's funny but Sten's funny (infact Sten is far funnier)...

And no one knows what women like, not even most women...<_<  

Hey now, I know what I want!  I must admit, though, that this is part of the reason that most of my friends are men and that, despite my general inclinations, I have a really amazing husband instead of a wife.

I did say "most"   <_<

Don't me started on the whole Conner thing...

Addai67 wrote...

Uh, there's no reason to be disparaging
of Alistair fans. 

Yes there is...it's fun! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Modifié par MorGothic, 07 avril 2010 - 06:00 .

[Aroihkin]

Ramante wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

On top of what other folks have said about the Alistair romance...

I've never managed to romance Alistair. I just couldn't dig him that way after the Isolde/Connor thing in my first play-through. The hypocricy was actually a dealbreaker for me; it's not something I'd put up with in real life, either; even a friendship would get strained by that sort of behavior.

The thing I hated about that situation was the fact that he came up with the idea to kill Connor in the first place. So I decided, because he was a templar, that he probably knew what he was talking about and I killed Connor. Man, he was pissed because I listened to him. o.o'

@ejoslin, tried removing the mods (scared the crap out of me, my human mage had no hair. o.o) but it is not working. My elven mage keeps getting the 'unauthorised' message. A well... dead sentence to her, I guess.

Hahaha, yeah, on my first time through I killed Isolde and did the ritual to go in after the kid, figuring that made more sense. It was Isolde's fault, she volunteered a few times IIRC, and I know a parent outliving a kid is just horrid.

Alistair is just as pissed when you do that, even though he says you should have at least done that instead when you kill Connor.

I always bring that up, but man, it's such a dealbreaker. And it's the biggest, best, most obvious example of what irks me about that guy. He can be my PC's buddy, albeit at arms-length, but he'll have to save his chantry-cherry for Morrigan's ritual, I think. My PC will be over there, with the mega-loyal and rather honest guy who tried to kill them once, but was at least upfront about it!


...And ew, sorry about your mage.

[Cuddlezarro]

addai wrote...

Also O/T, but I figure people here would know... husband bought Neverwinter Nights 2. Do people like that game? Thumbs up, down? I don't want to waste time learning a new game if it's a bust.

considering how much iv raved about Mask of the betrayer (the games first expansion) I would say yes (I do hope your hubby got the expansions or atleast MoTB)

though I find the OC to be rather mediocre witha  crap ending... but mask of the betrayer is just... wow amazing and totally makes up for the abortion that is the OC ending

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 07 avril 2010 - 06:01 .

[soignee]

I've a soft spot for Alistair. I'll re-do the game and he'll say and do little things that make me think, "oh, you " and ruffle his hair. or something.

I do prefer the Zevran romance though, but I don't have it in me to romance either zev or alistair again on any toons... Much to epic for me to take! I'd feel like I'm having a weird affair and cheating in my toons. Lulz.

I do sleep with Zev though, just because, really. NO STRINGS FUN !

[Sannox]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
What I want to ask is how women can be more attracted to Alistair then Zevran. I won't pretend to know what women like, but doesn't the whole charming rogue thing get to them more then Alistair humor?

I was attracted dto Alistair first, but that was purely because he was there first.  I can see why somebody would go for him,  He's quite ordinary, a boy next door type, and I suppose that can be attractive in its way.  I find it difficult to understand why absolutely everybody doesn't get blown away when Zevran comes on the scene, though!   It's not even the 'charming rogue' thing.  

I haven't played Alistair all the way through, but I have had the love dialogues.    They're kind of sweet, but there's nothing like the devoition and commitment that Zevran apparently gives even to a friend.  

Modifié par Sannox, 07 avril 2010 - 06:01 .

[ejoslin]

soignee wrote...

I've a soft spot for Alistair. I'll re-do the game and he'll say and do little things that make me think, "oh, you
I do prefer the Zevran romance though, but I don't have it in me to romance either zev or alistair again on any toons... Much to epic for me to take! I'd feel like I'm having a weird affair and cheating in my toons. Lulz.
I do sleep with Zev though, just because, really. NO STRINGS FUN !

Heh, until he puts those strings into place.

[Aroihkin]

Alistair's got some darn good one-liners, it's true. XD

But Zev has his moments outside of the romance too. He might not randomly comment about the time he locked himself in a cage for a whole day, but he /does/ threaten Murdock (Redcliffe mayor) over giving the PC **** for being a chick.

That didn't happen on my first play-through, of course. But my first chick? I was like, "Oh, /honey/, you can threaten people on my PC's behalf any day~"

EDIT:


But then, I'm a weirdo, and not at all much of a conventional romantic. That's way more awesome than flowers to me.

Modifié par Aroihkin, 07 avril 2010 - 06:07 .

[sami jo]

Addai67 wrote...

Uh, there's no reason to be disparaging of Alistair fans.  I don't doubt that there are some "puppy love" aspects to the romance, but that's not typically appealing to me and I also encounter plenty of other Ali fangirls who are thoughtfully appreciative of the character and not just drooling teenagers.

The story of a bastard prince coming into his own has Romantic aspects with a capital R, it's a classic theme and one similarly popular with Maric.  And the fact that your PC becomes a hero and a legend is sort of a given, too, so whether they're queen, king, or simply the Hero of Ferelden, is beside the point.

But this is why comparisons are bad, and thus I'll just stay out of it. 

Sorry, Addai.  I didn't really mean it that way.  I liked the Allistair romance, and tbh, the mage who romanced him to the end was right with him with the duty thing.  It was very sweet.  His character is just young, literally, in the game.  I really *like* him.  It's part of the reason I have trouble getting a female character through the game anymore.  He is sweet and really difficult to turn down, but I know that I will appreciate the depth of Zev more.

[MorGothic]

ejoslin wrote...

soignee wrote...

I've a soft spot for Alistair. I'll re-do the game and he'll say and do little things that make me think, "oh, you
I do prefer the Zevran romance though, but I don't have it in me to romance either zev or alistair again on any toons... Much to epic for me to take! I'd feel like I'm having a weird affair and cheating in my toons. Lulz.
I do sleep with Zev though, just because, really. NO STRINGS FUN !

Heh, until he puts those strings into place.

Well he does like rope....

[Minaleth]

1st some woman know exactly what they want
2nd Alistair has his appeal. I understand how easily a girl can fall for that, but still it's not my cup of tea. I've never done the romance beyond the rose. I am tempted to try but I know how it will end anyway (warden falling for certain sexy assassin again), so meh. BTW I know few girls IRL that would be incredibly rabid Alistair fangirls given they played games (which they don't), so yeah some women actually like that type of guys. 
Me thinks that both male LI were damn well designed as varying estrogen brigade baits.

Aroihkin wrote...
I've known people in real life that were way worse about it. Hell, I've been way worse about it sometimes, hitting on my then-best-friend in front of my relatives just to @#%$ them off. 

*high five* I love to make my boyfriend blush with improper innuendos in public

Btw, I've read about your char what have been said earlier and it's quite interesting concept. I'm very much looking for her next DA adventures

[ejoslin]

Aroihkin wrote...

Alistair's got some darn good one-liners, it's true. XD
But Zev has his moments outside of the romance too. He might not randomly comment about the time he locked himself in a cage for a whole day, but he /does/ threaten Murdock (Redcliffe mayor) over giving the PC **** for being a chick.
That didn't happen on my first play-through, of course. But my first chick? I was like, "Oh, /honey/, you can threaten people on my PC's behalf any day~"

My favorite one along those lines is when he threatens to cut Anora's throat and toss her in the river.

How can you NOT love him?

[TripLight]

ejoslin wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

Alistair's got some darn good one-liners, it's true. XD
But Zev has his moments outside of the romance too. He might not randomly comment about the time he locked himself in a cage for a whole day, but he /does/ threaten Murdock (Redcliffe mayor) over giving the PC **** for being a chick.
That didn't happen on my first play-through, of course. But my first chick? I was like, "Oh, /honey/, you can threaten people on my PC's behalf any day~"

My favorite one along those lines is when he threatens to cut Anora's throat and toss her in the river.

How can you NOT love him?

It's the way he says "slit her throat" that does it for me.

[ejoslin]

Edit: Yet ANOTHER post that needs to go bye bye!

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 avril 2010 - 06:09 .

[Ramante]

Addai67 wrote...

Uh, there's no reason to be disparaging of Alistair fans.  I don't doubt that there are some "puppy love" aspects to the romance, but that's not typically appealing to me and I also encounter plenty of other Ali fangirls who are thoughtfully appreciative of the character and not just drooling teenagers.

The story of a bastard prince coming into his own has Romantic aspects with a capital R, it's a classic theme and one similarly popular with Maric.  And the fact that your PC becomes a hero and a legend is sort of a given, too, so whether they're queen, king, or simply the Hero of Ferelden, is beside the point.

But this is why comparisons are bad, and thus I'll just stay out of it. 

I must say I like the Alistair romance, it is very sweet. It is different from the Zevran (and all the other) romances, and every romance has good and bad points.

Damn... my mom just came in and she literally said: 'Are you playing that game again? I can't understand why my child is doing something like that.'
I was like wtf, she talked like I was doing something terrible.. I swear she is just unbelievable. Must be because of her age... she is old, dinosaur like.. my dad is off the same age but he is more.. evolved, more like a bird, I think..