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[Aroihkin]

TheLiterator wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

TheLiterator wrote...
I have a trick-- don't actually write the naughty bits. Just rate it NC-17 or MA or whatever, and gloss it all over. They'll never know the difference! (Works in practice, for me at least).

I mean, I'm seriously seen as this porn queen, but the number of actual, explicit sex scenes in my fic is like... non existant.

*grins* I'd noticed that! But things don't have to be explicit to be hot, IMHO.

I've written one (1) explicit sex scene in a fanfic so far. I'm sad to say it was het. But it was Raistlin Majere het, and I'd had people begging me to write those two going at it for years and years and years.

Personally? I'm way more embarassed to be caught writing fluffy romancy stuff than smut. I'm probably really weird as a result, but since my comfort-zone is drama/action/horror (and not necesarilly in that order)... yeah. I read romance fanfics like they're going out of style, but if I have to write it I turn into a pre-teen boy going "EWW, MUSHY SH*T! COOTIES!"

Eww... please, GOD tell me it wasn't Crysania. Please?

Also, I'm glad you noticed. It's so weird to me that people don't. I've seriously had people tell me "I want to write porn, but I can't do it as well as you, Lit." And I'm all... "I don't though! Honest!"

I try not to write explicit because I'm a virgin-- I have no idea how that stuff works in practice! And I know a lot of people whine about virgin smut authors.

It was not Crysania. No. God no. It was another OC, actually, who didn't start off as a romance at all but the characters sort of decided otherwise. A crazy little freak of a thing with an adrenalin-addiction and a deathwish, named Akara. Started off as a one-shot fanfic in 2002, and then people begged a sequel one-shot out of me. Some years later, a third fic where they actually finally met... and then the fourth one. 04 is the one with the smut scene. It only took me eight years to get there!

And I did notice the lack of explicit! Didn't put me off at all. And that's probably not a bad policy... although lots of research can counter that. I've fooled folks into thinking I'm a guy when I do slash, but only because it's well-researched. And it is, especially in the last couple years. Some folks on that Pern game still don't know T'nnusen was written by someone with girlybits, especially if I switched the focus from emo stuff to the tactile stuff.

*realizes I sound egotistical as hell again* I promise I'm not, it's just easier to talk about stuff from one's own experience, including writing.

Tellervo wrote...
This is why I deliberately avoid guides and
just write from experience or first-hand accounts.  I know way more
about certain fetishes than I could ever possibly want to because I've
asked close friends for unrelated information, and it justr segued into
that....  Writing sex seems to be pretty easy to fake, as long as you
treat it intelligently.

I do typically fade to black or gloss
over stuff, but the stuff I've written lately is way more explicit than
I'm used to.  Every time I write a sex scene I sneer in disgust at the
screen afterward and post it anyway.

That's part of the research I've done. Lots and lots of probing... questions. Lots. *grins*

And that last part is how I am about romance. Fluffy emotional stuff even if it's not all that fluffy! I'm not very good at this being-a-girl thing, am I? Cuz it's embaaaaaarrassiiiiing, but I've been roped into doing it twice now. Granted, part of why I'm doing it is to push out of my comfort zone... but it's embaaaarrassingggg.

Though my mental Alleyana's permanent black scribble of disgruntlement (You're doing what to me?!) is almost worth it. I just shove more coffee and cancer sticks at her and she shuts up. (And possibly naked pictures of Zev.)

Edit: Top of page! And this bears re-posting. Lots. Speaking of naked Zev pics to shove at Alley to shut her up!

Modifié par Aroihkin, 08 avril 2010 - 11:37 .

[Creature 1]

TheLiterator wrote...

Hmm. My thoughts on YAOI-- Yes, please, and more.

Gah, depends. If it's "I only rape you because I love you" yaoi, GOD NO. Unless it's The Tyrant Falls in Love, and I think that's mostly because they work in a lab so I feel a sense of kinship ("It's not supposed to turn that color!")

Modifié par Creature 1, 08 avril 2010 - 11:37 .

[jenovan]

Tellervo wrote...

jenovan wrote...

*chuckles* good luck with your request.
I'll be waiting to see if I can offer anything... because anything I'd want would be pretty lame. XD

I thought you wanted to horribly humiliate a certain mage with a particular fashion choice?

I'm sure someone can come up with something better than that.
besides, I'd totally do that for free

[TheLiterator]

Aroihkin-- why have we not met before?



Pern, Dragonlance, and now this? Our fandomselves should have crossed paths WAY sooner.

[Aroihkin]

Creature 1 wrote...

TheLiterator wrote...

Hmm. My thoughts on YAOI-- Yes, please, and more.

Gah, depends. If it's "I only rape you because I love you" yaoi, GOD NO. Unless it's The Tyrant Falls in Love, and I think that's mostly because they work in a lab so I feel a sense of kinship ("It's not supposed to turn that color!")

That happens in het too, it's just less obviously OMG without all the anal.

[TheLiterator]

jenovan wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

jenovan wrote...

*chuckles* good luck with your request.
I'll be waiting to see if I can offer anything... because anything I'd want would be pretty lame. XD

I thought you wanted to horribly humiliate a certain mage with a particular fashion choice?

I'm sure someone can come up with something better than that.
besides, I'd totally do that for free

If Trax doesn't request it, I might-- I want Link!Zevran from her Solstice story.

I'd write HET for that, I kid you not.

[TheLiterator]

Aroihkin wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

TheLiterator wrote...

Hmm. My thoughts on YAOI-- Yes, please, and more.

Gah, depends. If it's "I only rape you because I love you" yaoi, GOD NO. Unless it's The Tyrant Falls in Love, and I think that's mostly because they work in a lab so I feel a sense of kinship ("It's not supposed to turn that color!")

That happens in het too, it's just less obviously OMG without all the anal.

Mmmm-- For Ever on ff.net, in this very fandom comes to mind.

[soignee]

TheLiterator wrote...

Mmmm-- For Ever on ff.net, in this very fandom comes to mind.

Creepy cullen is creepy.

fffffffffffffffffffffffff-

[Aroihkin]

TheLiterator wrote...

Aroihkin-- why have we not met before?

Pern, Dragonlance, and now this? Our fandomselves should have crossed paths WAY sooner.

You should go read The Akara Files, under Dragonlance, even though Akara's a girl! You might like her, she's a crazy thing that's crazy.

Also, TAF 04 has evil undead things, explosions, decapitation, and fire. Alleyana's in it as a support character; she gets to stab someone through the back of the throat at one point. Although, the first half of 04 is older writing, and the first three stories are older yet, so you're warned. I did the entire second half of 04 this most recent December.

I still need to finish the last chapter, but it's not on a cliffie right now -- the last chapter of 04 will be one, leading into a plot for 05. Which I'm totally not writing right now, so it's probably a good thing that 04 is stuck at 29 chapters?

Might not be your cup of tea, though. It's me writing romance, oh god, why am I pimping this.

*armflails* There I go again. Anyway, TAF has a Crysania content of 0%. It's low-carb, too! But high-gore.

EDIT: I'm told I give really good Raistlin, anyway, and there's a slashfic out there with my name on it as well. Silver Tongue and Golden Wit. I promise nothing, since it's also older, and is also a WIP on hiatus. It probably needs a full re-write, at this point.

EDIT 2: My avatar finally updated! GUYS! GUIIIISE! ALLEY HAS PLATE! AND PAULDRONS! Her ears and nose are no longer the biggest things in the picture!   

Modifié par Aroihkin, 08 avril 2010 - 11:56 .

[Charsen]

Aroihkin wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

TheLiterator wrote...

Hmm. My thoughts on YAOI-- Yes, please, and more.

Gah, depends. If it's "I only rape you because I love you" yaoi, GOD NO. Unless it's The Tyrant Falls in Love, and I think that's mostly because they work in a lab so I feel a sense of kinship ("It's not supposed to turn that color!")

That happens in het too, it's just less obviously OMG without all the anal.

wait , wat

[Aroihkin]

Charsen wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

TheLiterator wrote...

Hmm. My thoughts on YAOI-- Yes, please, and more.

Gah, depends. If it's "I only rape you because I love you" yaoi, GOD NO. Unless it's The Tyrant Falls in Love, and I think that's mostly because they work in a lab so I feel a sense of kinship ("It's not supposed to turn that color!")

That happens in het too, it's just less obviously OMG without all the anal.

wait , wat

Chicks can rape dudes too, it just gets noticed more for some reason when it's a guy bending another guy over.

It also seems to get less shocked reactions when it's a guy doing it to a chick, too.

Talking purely fanfic here, buddy.

[Tellervo]

Charsen wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

TheLiterator wrote...

Hmm. My thoughts on YAOI-- Yes, please, and more.

Gah, depends. If it's "I only rape you because I love you" yaoi, GOD NO. Unless it's The Tyrant Falls in Love, and I think that's mostly because they work in a lab so I feel a sense of kinship ("It's not supposed to turn that color!")

That happens in het too, it's just less obviously OMG without all the anal.

wait , wat

I don't know, either.  I'm hiding now.

[Aroihkin]

Tellervo wrote...

Charsen wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

TheLiterator wrote...

Hmm. My thoughts on YAOI-- Yes, please, and more.

Gah, depends. If it's "I only rape you because I love you" yaoi, GOD NO. Unless it's The Tyrant Falls in Love, and I think that's mostly because they work in a lab so I feel a sense of kinship ("It's not supposed to turn that color!")

That happens in het too, it's just less obviously OMG without all the anal.

wait , wat

I don't know, either.  I'm hiding now.

Arguing that het has "I only hit rape you because I love you!" stuff in it too, it just gets noticed more in slash.

*armflails* Did I offend folks by pointing that out, or just confuse the sh*t out of everyone? Only time will tell!

[Creature 1]

I've not read a lot of yaoi, but I think everything I've seen involves a certain amount of non-con. I'm just considering manga in that definition. Fanfic is a different genre and much more variable.

[Tellervo]

Non-con in general, regardless of the genders involved, creeps me out. That some people get their rocks off on that is just weird. I understand and appreciate the value of a powerfully written non-con scene when it is written for plot or character development purposes, but there's a very fine line for good taste and not which very few authors are skilled enough to toe.

[TheComfyCat]

Sannox wrote...


 

Very nice, Sannox <3

As far a writing smut goes.... well, I've read quite a few published smut romance novels-- mostly the paranormal ones, which seem to be ripe with kink (at least if you read on the Emma Holly-ish erotica end of things), and it seems it's something that can be done very well or very poorly, with feckin hilariously the only thing inbetween. So there's nothing wrong with fade to black if you aren't good at writing the steamy bits.

[TheLiterator]

Aroihkin wrote...

TheLiterator wrote...

Aroihkin-- why have we not met before?

Pern, Dragonlance, and now this? Our fandomselves should have crossed paths WAY sooner.

You should go read The Akara Files, under Dragonlance, even though Akara's a girl! You might like her, she's a crazy thing that's crazy.

Also, TAF 04 has evil undead things, explosions, decapitation, and fire. Alleyana's in it as a support character; she gets to stab someone through the back of the throat at one point. Although, the first half of 04 is older writing, and the first three stories are older yet, so you're warned. I did the entire second half of 04 this most recent December.

I still need to finish the last chapter, but it's not on a cliffie right now -- the last chapter of 04 will be one, leading into a plot for 05. Which I'm totally not writing right now, so it's probably a good thing that 04 is stuck at 29 chapters?

Might not be your cup of tea, though. It's me writing romance, oh god, why am I pimping this.

*armflails* There I go again. Anyway, TAF has a Crysania content of 0%. It's low-carb, too! But high-gore.

EDIT: I'm told I give really good Raistlin, anyway, and there's a slashfic out there with my name on it as well. Silver Tongue and Golden Wit. I promise nothing, since it's also older, and is also a WIP on hiatus. It probably needs a full re-write, at this point.

EDIT 2: My avatar finally updated! GUYS! GUIIIISE! ALLEY HAS PLATE! AND PAULDRONS! Her ears and nose are no longer the biggest things in the picture!   

HAI!

I want to clarify-- I don't HATE Crysania. I just feel she had a specific narrative purpose (to be virginal faithful and questioning,) and that most fic doesn't pick up on that.

The only chaos war book I could stand was "Tears of the Night Sky", so... there.

And were you on Dark Fort?

[TheLiterator]

Tellervo wrote...

Non-con in general, regardless of the genders involved, creeps me out. That some people get their rocks off on that is just weird. I understand and appreciate the value of a powerfully written non-con scene when it is written for plot or character development purposes, but there's a very fine line for good taste and not which very few authors are skilled enough to toe.

**hides**

I like the H/C, okay? And non-con is a part of that!

[soignee]

Tellervo wrote...

Non-con in general, regardless of the genders involved, creeps me out. That some people get their rocks off on that is just weird. I understand and appreciate the value of a powerfully written non-con scene when it is written for plot or character development purposes, but there's a very fine line for good taste and not which very few authors are skilled enough to toe.

^this.

Or, "let's use rape as a plot catalyst! I need some angst, amirite?"

Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff-

[Aroihkin]

Creature 1 wrote...

I've not read a lot of yaoi, but I think everything I've seen involves a certain amount of non-con. I'm just considering manga in that definition. Fanfic is a different genre and much more variable.

I'm used to yaoi referring to anything fictional involving m/m, re all the "Tell us your thoughts on yaoi!" flamewars and things on LJ a while back, so going into what happens in fanfic is a mixup on my end.

(( ...And I think I read that Cullen story. The one where he strangles the mage chick and such? That was kind of creeptastic. ))

[Sresla]

Tellervo wrote...

Pimping this thread on the Zevran LJ community in my two seconds of free time. Come play with us, kids!

I'd maybe throw my had into the ring if I knew more about fan fiction. I've had to look up some of the abbreviations people use (sorry, what can I say, novice) and some I still don't know. That and I don't know that I wouldn't end up wanting to cannibalize something I wrote for someone else for something I was writing.

Also, thanks Literator, for the links about sexy times. My NSFW stuff is tame compared to what I've read (Tell, looking at you here, bud or Trax - who I don't think posts here) or seen (Charsen/Cuddle, yes you two). There's a part in one of my still mostly unwritten chapters (still just an outline and a bit of dialogue) where I wrote "Blah blah sexy stuff" as an indication of where it should go, so I can probably use the advice.

Modifié par Sresla, 09 avril 2010 - 12:27 .

[Tellervo]

Sresla wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

Pimping this thread on the Zevran LJ community in my two seconds of free time. Come play with us, kids!

I'd maybe throw my had into the ring if I knew more about fan fiction. I've had to look up some of the abbreviations people use (sorry, what can I say, novice) and some I still don't know. That and I don't know that I wouldn't end up wanting to cannibalize something I wrote for someone else for something I was writing.

Also, thanks Liberator, for the links about sexy times. My NSFW stuff is tame compared to what I've read (Tell, looking at you here, bud or Trax - who I don't think posts here) or seen (Charsen/Cuddle, yes you two). There's a part in one of my still mostly unwritten chapters (still just an outline and a bit of dialogue) where I wrote "Blah blah sexy stuff" as an indication of where it should go, so I can probably use the advice.

See, I'm not sure I like being associated with explicit writing.  That makes me kind of uncomfortable.

[Aroihkin]

TheLiterator wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

TheLiterator wrote...

Aroihkin-- why have we not met before?

Pern, Dragonlance, and now this? Our fandomselves should have crossed paths WAY sooner.

You should go read The Akara Files, under Dragonlance, even though Akara's a girl! You might like her, she's a crazy thing that's crazy.

Also, TAF 04 has evil undead things, explosions, decapitation, and fire. Alleyana's in it as a support character; she gets to stab someone through the back of the throat at one point. Although, the first half of 04 is older writing, and the first three stories are older yet, so you're warned. I did the entire second half of 04 this most recent December.

I still need to finish the last chapter, but it's not on a cliffie right now -- the last chapter of 04 will be one, leading into a plot for 05. Which I'm totally not writing right now, so it's probably a good thing that 04 is stuck at 29 chapters?

Might not be your cup of tea, though. It's me writing romance, oh god, why am I pimping this.

*armflails* There I go again. Anyway, TAF has a Crysania content of 0%. It's low-carb, too! But high-gore.

EDIT: I'm told I give really good Raistlin, anyway, and there's a slashfic out there with my name on it as well. Silver Tongue and Golden Wit. I promise nothing, since it's also older, and is also a WIP on hiatus. It probably needs a full re-write, at this point.

EDIT 2: My avatar finally updated! GUYS! GUIIIISE! ALLEY HAS PLATE! AND PAULDRONS! Her ears and nose are no longer the biggest things in the picture!   

HAI!

I want to clarify-- I don't HATE Crysania. I just feel she had a specific narrative purpose (to be virginal faithful and questioning,) and that most fic doesn't pick up on that.

The only chaos war book I could stand was "Tears of the Night Sky", so... there.

And were you on Dark Fort?

Crysania has her uses, but she gets turned into a Mary Sue at the drop of a hat. TAF is alternative-universe to Legends and thus doesn't involve her, though I've considered weaving in some of the "go back in time and become GOD" plot, which would thus involve her. And a very annoyed Akara.

And nope, I wasn't. Is that a Pern game? I don't want to list where I was, as I left due to much ****** in the game's weyrcouncil. They didn't like us running Fort Weyr as apart from their clique of "Super Speshul Goldriders!!eleven!!21!". For those playing from home, think of every Bratz-doll Queen Cousland Alistair fanatic... as in charge. Then think of trying to work with them as an equally-ranked "newcomer" (ie, not in the clique).

Then do like I did, remember that it's a freaking hobby and not a job, and leave.

--

Here are my thoughts on noncon/dubcon!

If done well in fanfic, it's good. If done poorly in fanfic, it's bad. Lit does it well! I can't say nothing about manga, not being a fan of it, and I shall await the pitchforks and torches over there. ;D

[Tellervo]

TheLiterator wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

Non-con in general, regardless of the genders involved, creeps me out. That some people get their rocks off on that is just weird. I understand and appreciate the value of a powerfully written non-con scene when it is written for plot or character development purposes, but there's a very fine line for good taste and not which very few authors are skilled enough to toe.

**hides**

I like the H/C, okay? And non-con is a part of that!

I like H/C, too, but consent is a big deal to me.  Dub-con I have less of a problem with, but only somewhat ("The Contest" is technically dub-con, I guess).

[Sresla]

Tellervo wrote...

See, I'm not sure I like being associated with explicit writing.  That makes me kind of uncomfortable.

I apologize. It wasn't my intent to imply that - it was more of my own ineloquent way to compliment you, being able to write something that was "good sexytimes" that fits in so well with your own amazing story. Maybe I should go back on Zevran thread probation.