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What's the (Romantic) Appeal of Zevran?


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#16901
Tellervo

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Charsen wrote...

call me an old fashioned southern boy but there is nothing hot about having sex with someone who does not want it. that's all i'll say.


I'm just going to let Charsen voice my opinion from now on.  He's much better at it than I am.

Edit: HOW DID I GET HERE WHAT'S GOING ON

Jenovan requested this, so here it is:


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#16902
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TheLiterator wrote...

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Have you ever gotten the "You'll just have to beat it out of me. Creatively." line from Zevran? It's when you kind of dither as a man asking him to the tent.
I get the strong feeling that Zev knows all about safety words. :wub:


Haha! And I had the GREATEST discussion about that with Trax the other night. He wouldn't do anythingwithout safe-words and knowing he'd be able to get out of any bondage involved. He NEVER loses control, the little fiend.

His issues... all of them. **holds them close to my bosom**


Agreed on all that! He's got his reasons for control issues though, that Fade scene's a good start. :(

...brb, replaying that line again. And I'll be in my bunk.

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Did someone order thighs?

Edit: hmm, wonder if I need to redo this shot Sannox-style..

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In truth, I don't like rape fantasies because I am all about consent. I do think though that fiction doesn't drive people to act out in ways that hurt others, nor do I think it encourages people who have fantasies of being hurt to act more self-destructively. I think fiction can stretch boundaries that most wouldn't cross in real life.

Though Cullen is seriously creepy. SERIOUSLY! There's Zevran-type kink which I like and then there's Cullen-type kink where if I were to even catch a small sense of, I'd be running and fast in the other direction!

Edit: jenovan, you most definitely have to redo it, Sannox-style. :wub:

Second edit: I am seriously going to regret these posts some day, I can tell!

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any one order comical NSFW pics because I very much agree with Charsen on the subject matter





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TheLiterator wrote...

Oh, I take no offense, beyond at first you seemed to be generalizing all non-con fic to be like that, which, you know, included my fic.

But I totally respect your decision not to read such fic.

And a friend of mine was trying to help that author do better, but I think she's just beyond hope. :D


Yes, again I apologize about that, I didn't mean to generalize so much as to include you, because you obviously write what you claim, and have all the warnings and such implemented at the start of the fic plus in the summaries. I respect that, you don't dress it up, you come out front and say what it is.  Though if you do have fics that don't invovle said content, I will totally read them.

LOL, ok I'll stop the I-hope-I-didn't-offend-someone-I-didn't-mean-to-offend speel.

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jenovan wrote...

Did someone order thighs?

Edit: hmm, wonder if I need to redo this shot Sannox-style..

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....Yes.

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soignee

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can we please stop it with the rape now, it makes me sad panda :(

Someone post some lulz, or something...

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jenovan wrote...

Edit: hmm, wonder if I need to redo this
shot Sannox-style..


Do you really need to wonder about that? :wub:

Cuddlezarro wrote...

any one order comical NSFW pics because I very much agree with Charsen on the subject matter


Thank you, CZ. Your vulgar nudie pics are the only sense of sanity I feel in this thread right now.

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TripLight wrote...

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Oh, I take no offense, beyond at first you seemed to be generalizing all non-con fic to be like that, which, you know, included my fic.

But I totally respect your decision not to read such fic.

And a friend of mine was trying to help that author do better, but I think she's just beyond hope. :D


Yes, again I apologize about that, I didn't mean to generalize so much as to include you, because you obviously write what you claim, and have all the warnings and such implemented at the start of the fic plus in the summaries. I respect that, you don't dress it up, you come out front and say what it is.  Though if you do have fics that don't invovle said content, I will totally read them.

LOL, ok I'll stop the I-hope-I-didn't-offend-someone-I-didn't-mean-to-offend speel.


Uhm, I think I wrote something with kittens once?

:D actually, I'd have to say most of the stories in my "Zevran/Alistair 'verse" are NOT, but the two that are, very very much ARE.

Not necessary for the whole thing to make sense, AFAIK, but someone else will have to attest to that.

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Hey E? Did you say your newest version of Zev's Dialogue fix also puts Zevran over Oghren in the Deep Roads? I have my CE doing all the quests right now, and should be in the Deep Roads by tomorrow.

Edit: Again, I am sorry I continued that line of posting, that fic that was mentioned just pissed me off to no end. Will shut up and get Daiya up to knocking the hell out of Jarvia.

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Nonvita wrote...

jenovan wrote...

Edit: hmm, wonder if I need to redo this
shot Sannox-style..


Do you really need to wonder about that? :wub:

Cuddlezarro wrote...

any one order comical NSFW pics because I very much agree with Charsen on the subject matter


Thank you, CZ. Your vulgar nudie pics are the only sense of sanity I feel in this thread right now.


Another hour before I can look at it, and knowing this thread, it will be buried by then :crying:

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soignee wrote...

can we please stop it with the rape now, it makes me sad panda :(
Someone post some lulz, or something...


your wish is my command my lady

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TripLight wrote...

Hey E? Did you say your newest version of Zev's Dialogue fix also puts Zevran over Oghren in the Deep Roads? I have my CE doing all the quests right now, and should be in the Deep Roads by tomorrow.


No, I didn't put that into ZDF -- that is completely lore-accurate.  However, I do have a mod that override Ogrhen's dialog with Zevran there.  The Ruck file here.  It also unlocks the additional dialog there, but after finally testing it, I understand why they were taken out of the game.  I can fix it, but that will mean you may eventually have to kill Ruck OR that you can only talk to him once.  I'm not sure which way I'll fix it yet.

Edit: Charsen, that's brilliant!

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...Although I feel compelled to point out, that while it's often labeled dub-con and can even be written or played out as such without actually being dubious, D/s, bdsm, and other such things are meant to be fully consenting and all that good stuff. Anything else isn't the same thing, and those communities don't support it.

Just sayin', though I'm sure I've offended half the people reading this anyway. I'm good at that!

Pitchforks will be accepted at the front desk!

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ejoslin wrote...

Nonvita wrote...

jenovan wrote...

Edit: hmm, wonder if I need to redo this
shot Sannox-style..


Do you really need to wonder about that? :wub:

Cuddlezarro wrote...

any one order comical NSFW pics because I very much agree with Charsen on the subject matter


Thank you, CZ. Your vulgar nudie pics are the only sense of sanity I feel in this thread right now.


Another hour before I can look at it, and knowing this thread, it will be buried by then :crying:


those where the pics I posted yesterday~ though i plan on making some new ones with my mage~

#16917
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ejoslin wrote...

TripLight wrote...

Hey E? Did you say your newest version of Zev's Dialogue fix also puts Zevran over Oghren in the Deep Roads? I have my CE doing all the quests right now, and should be in the Deep Roads by tomorrow.


No, I didn't put that into ZDF -- that is completely lore-accurate.  However, I do have a mod that overrides all that.  The Ruck file here.  It also unlocks the additional dialog there, but after finally testing it, I understand why they were taken out of the game.  I can fix it, but that will mean you may eventually have to kill Ruck OR that you can only talk to him once.  I'm not sure which way I'll fix it yet.

Edit: Charsen, that's brilliant!


Thank you, I wasn't sure if it was ZDF or your other mod that I was thinking of. Will be uploading the newest version of ZDF though.

@Charsen,:wub:, we're still waiting on the EF kiss, dear.

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Heh, I have a three-inch triskellion tattooed on my right shoulder. When I wear something backless, I can tell a lot about people by the looks some give me.

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ejoslin wrote...

TripLight wrote...

Hey E? Did you say your newest version of Zev's Dialogue fix also puts Zevran over Oghren in the Deep Roads? I have my CE doing all the quests right now, and should be in the Deep Roads by tomorrow.


No, I didn't put that into ZDF -- that is completely lore-accurate.  However, I do have a mod that override Ogrhen's dialog with Zevran there.  The Ruck file here.  It also unlocks the additional dialog there, but after finally testing it, I understand why they were taken out of the game.  I can fix it, but that will mean you may eventually have to kill Ruck OR that you can only talk to him once.  I'm not sure which way I'll fix it yet.

Edit: Charsen, that's brilliant!


Zev's kind of got a point with Ruck, but it would be nice if the dialogue didn't shoe-horn the Warden into killing the guy. I totally save before I talk to him, now, in case he's selling stuff I want later.

Was there originally supposed to be a choice to not kill him, or am I mis-reading that?

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How about some totally NSFW shots from when I loaded a save to try out Zev's gate dialogue (after uninstalling some other mods I'd been using at the time)?

"Uh... hi, Riordan... sorry, archdemon what?"

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TripLight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

TripLight wrote...

Hey E? Did you say your newest version of Zev's Dialogue fix also puts Zevran over Oghren in the Deep Roads? I have my CE doing all the quests right now, and should be in the Deep Roads by tomorrow.


No, I didn't put that into ZDF -- that is completely lore-accurate.  However, I do have a mod that overrides all that.  The Ruck file here.  It also unlocks the additional dialog there, but after finally testing it, I understand why they were taken out of the game.  I can fix it, but that will mean you may eventually have to kill Ruck OR that you can only talk to him once.  I'm not sure which way I'll fix it yet.

Edit: Charsen, that's brilliant!


Thank you, I wasn't sure if it was ZDF or your other mod that I was thinking of. Will be uploading the newest version of ZDF though.

@Charsen,:wub:, we're still waiting on the EF kiss, dear.


Oh, I highly recommend it.  Hahahaha, just because I need to know about bugs that I would never catch!  Seriously, though, I think it's a good alternative for people who don't want that whole mess at the end of the vanilla game but don't want all the lore changes that comes with the two more popular end-game mods.

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Riordan...god that voice is liquid sex.

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Aroihkin wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

TripLight wrote...

Hey E? Did you say your newest version of Zev's Dialogue fix also puts Zevran over Oghren in the Deep Roads? I have my CE doing all the quests right now, and should be in the Deep Roads by tomorrow.


No, I didn't put that into ZDF -- that is completely lore-accurate.  However, I do have a mod that override Ogrhen's dialog with Zevran there.  The Ruck file here.  It also unlocks the additional dialog there, but after finally testing it, I understand why they were taken out of the game.  I can fix it, but that will mean you may eventually have to kill Ruck OR that you can only talk to him once.  I'm not sure which way I'll fix it yet.

Edit: Charsen, that's brilliant!


Zev's kind of got a point with Ruck, but it would be nice if the dialogue didn't shoe-horn the Warden into killing the guy. I totally save before I talk to him, now, in case he's selling stuff I want later.

Was there originally supposed to be a choice to not kill him, or am I mis-reading that?


Yes.  I unlocked those in the mod I have linked above.  The problem is, when you go back to Ruck, if you go back into that conversation, it plays out exactly the same way.  There are three ways I can think of fixing it.  One is to only have the two options show up once, then if you get to that point again, you'll have to kill him.  Another way is to just take that out, so you have to trade with him if you talk to him again.  Another way would be that you only have the option to kill him once.

I'm totally with Zev on that one.  There's a dialog there as well if you fail the persuade check with Zevran there which is completely convincing.

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Aroihkin wrote...

TheLiterator wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

In real life, bottoms actually top. In fiction, you don't have to have that distinction. "No" is a bad safety word for play, but that's a whole different topic!

And please keep Cullen away from my underwear drawer!


Traxits. Zevran is such a top, but he's, you know, a bottom. It's lovely. :D


Have you ever gotten the "You'll just have to beat it out of me. Creatively." line from Zevran? It's when you kind of dither as a man asking him to the tent.

I get the strong feeling that Zev knows all about safety words. :wub:


My innocent mage told him that wasn't what he meant and got sent away with Zev chuckling after him.  It actually gives approval.

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Charsen wrote...

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Heeee.

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mannn owls are awesome. So awesome. But apparently not very smart, despite legends. Bird of prey like falcons/buzzards are smarter due to the way they hunt. Allegedly, IDK, there's never been a mensa test for that sort of thing.

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