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[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Right, but he marries Anora.  He's prepared to become king to execute Loghain there. In order to spare Loghain and have Alistair become king, he and Anora have to get married.

Do you have to pre-arrange the Anora marriage or can you set it up at the Landsmeet?

If you're sparing Loghain, you need to set it up ahead of time.  If you're not, it's not necessary.  If Alistair kills Loghain, the wedding will not happen no matter what.

[errant_knight]

Sialater wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Alistair won't be solo king if you spare Loghain to make him archdemon fodder, though.

Really? He declared himself King after I decided to spare Loghain and I actually had to remind him that he'd agreed to marry Anora...he sounded more than prepared to go it alone.

Yeah, but I don't think the game allows him to rule alone, though.

What a shame.... Ah well, I'll just have to kill Loghain, not that I mind. I might have tried this once if I could make Alistair rule alone, but I'm not going to marry him to Anora.

[AnniLau]

errant_knight wrote...

I might have tried this once if I could make Alistair rule alone, but I'm not going to marry him to Anora.

I actually liked their epilogue card...it sounded as though they were better rulers together than either of them would have been on their own.

[errant_knight]

AnniLau wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I might have tried this once if I could make Alistair rule alone, but I'm not going to marry him to Anora.

I actually liked their epilogue card...it sounded as though they were better rulers together than either of them would have been on their own.

I just couldn't do that to Alistair. It would be a miserable marriage. All he really wants in life is love and/or family which this completely takes away from him. She doesn't respect him and he doesn't like her. There could be no heir, so it seems kind of pointless to me. I could see it if Alistair can't do a good job on his own, but he can, so....

Modifié par errant_knight, 02 février 2010 - 05:40 .

[Cuddlezarro]

Zevran has no reaction when he meets the Dwarf casteless' mother.

you have no idea how incredibly disappointing that is to me

the reuinion with my dwarfs mother was one of the most infuriating scenes in the entire game I seriously wish some one would make a "punch mother in the face mod" just for that scene thats just how ****** off talking to her makes me

also coming from some one who normally hates Elves AND Dwarves I seriously think people should atleast try both of them out just for the experience you get in Orzammar when you return

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 02 février 2010 - 06:10 .

[AnniLau]

errant_knight wrote...

I just couldn't do that to Alistair. It would be a miserable marriage. All he really wants in life is love and/or family which this completely takes away from him. She doesn't respect him and he doesn't like her. There could be no heir, so it seems kind of pointless to me. I could see it if Alistair can't do a good job on his own, but he can, so....

Ah, I haven't had him on the throne by himself yet and, of the three endings I've seen so far, I preferred the one with he and Anora co-ruling the best. I have a City Elf who I intend to be the mistress of solo-ruling Alistair, but she's stuck in Orzammar for a bit until I get my motivation for the Deep Roads back up.

[Sabriana]

I'm still torn what to do with Alistair. He's hardened, but I'm not sure I want him to marry Anora. However, the only other prospect would be to have him sacrifice himself and Anora rules alone. I think I like that even less than having my PCs good buddy Alistair go and team up with Anora, so at least she'll be tempered.

I mean, he was ready to take the PC as a mistress, why not take one after marriage, and be somewhat happy. It's a bummer to be the supposed last in the royal line and being pushed into doing his 'duty', but no one would deny him a mistress. Maybe they can even finagle some heir via Alistair and mistress, somehow, should it have been Anora who was barren, and not Cailan shooting blanks.

I also don't want to force him into bed with Morrigan, so I'm leaning toward Alistair marrying Anora, Loghain gets to do one last good deed for Ferelden, and my amazon will go and rebuild the GWs with Zevran.

I agree, though. It's too bad that Alistair can't be king alone and having Loghain do the sacrifice. Life can be a bummer, even in fantasy games, heh.

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...

I just couldn't do that to Alistair. It would be a miserable marriage. All he really wants in life is love and/or family which this completely takes away from him. She doesn't respect him and he doesn't like her. There could be no heir, so it seems kind of pointless to me. I could see it if Alistair can't do a good job on his own, but he can, so....

I did this when my Dalish elf stayed his mistress.  They do make a good ruling pair, and as long as Alistair has someone to love him he'll be ok.  But for an ultimate sacrifice ending, yeah, that completely sucks for everyone including Zevran.  My problem with this character is that, knowing what I know about the Zevran romance, he already loves the PC even though she's with Alistair.  The Alistair romance heated up quickly enough that I never got the "him or me" talk, at least not yet.  So he is going to want to go to the Black City with her, and... Gah.  Just, gah.  I hate this game!  LOL

Modifié par Addai67, 02 février 2010 - 06:14 .

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Zevran has no reaction when he meets the Dwarf casteless' mother.

you have no idea how incredibly disappointing that is to me

the reuinion with my dwarfs mother was one of the most infuriating scenes in the entire game I seriously wish some one would make a "punch mother in the face mod" just for that scene thats just how ****** off talking to her makes me

also coming from some one who normally hates Elves AND Dwarves I seriously think people should atleast try both of them out just for the experience you get in Orzammar when you return

Take Morrigan with you.  SHE has a reaction.  Zevran made me laugh so hard with my Dwarf Noble, though.  You know how he wants Bhelen.  You get an additional dialog option during that whole exchange, "I won't let him get away with what he did to me!"  His response is great.  Zevran is not one to let sentiment get in the way of what he thinks is right.

And the dwarf stories are remarkably good.  I'm actually thinking of putting my latest human noble on hold to do another casteless dwarf.  I've never played a dwarf before, ever.  I like that they can be sexy and desirable in this world and it doesn't come off as a joke at all.

[Cuddlezarro]

I actually never saw that ""I won't let him get away with what he did to me!" line with my bastard of a dwarf noble because I sided with Bhelen till the last second then backstabbed him in front of the entire assembly



granted Harrowmont then screwed up dwarven society even more but who cares my dwarf got his revenge and thats all that mattered in his mind (plus he got named the morons successor!)



and the contrast between how Bhelen treats you as a castless and as your brother is great (as is how every one else in orzammar treats you)

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

I actually never saw that ""I won't let him get away with what he did to me!" line with my bastard of a dwarf noble because I sided with Bhelen till the last second then backstabbed him in front of the entire assembly

granted Harrowmont then screwed up dwarven society even more but who cares my dwarf got his revenge and thats all that mattered in his mind (plus he got named the morons successor!)

and the contrast between how Bhelen treats you as a castless and as your brother is great (as is how every one else in orzammar treats you)

I love how Bhelen calls her little sister and you are family, no matter what.  My Dwarf Noble actually picked Bhelen as well, though (Zevran's "meh" comment got me).  She killed Trian.  Bhelen outsmarted her, plain and simple.  And Harrowmont, though he had very strong feelings about her being railroaded, was unable to get current traditions and laws past the assembly, and what was most important to Sereda was that she get her troops.

You actually have an excellent ending if you go with Bhelen.  And since you can't have children, it's good that your family continues to keep their blood on the throne.  And even if your little brother is a ******, he's a ruthless ****** which is good during war time.

[Cuddlezarro]

well if your a male dwarf noble you dont need to worry about having an Heir to the throne since you can get a noble hunter preggers in the origin story and she gives birth to a son by the time you get back to orzammar meaning you have an heir if you go the harrowmont path and end up becoming king

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 02 février 2010 - 06:31 .

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

well if your a male dwarf noble you dont need to worry about having an Heir to the throne since you can get a noble hunter preggers in the origin story and she gives birth to a son by the time you get back to orzammar meaning you have an heir if you go the harrowmont path and end up becoming king

Ooooh, now there's a reason to pick Harrowmont.  Dwarf females just don't have that option -- no heir at all.  

[Cuddlezarro]

you should try it theres a quest dedicated to getting the boy noble status and you even get to name the tyke once you finish it (why he doesnt already have a name I have no idea)

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...
And the dwarf stories are remarkably good.  I'm actually thinking of putting my latest human noble on hold to do another casteless dwarf.  I've never played a dwarf before, ever.  I like that they can be sexy and desirable in this world and it doesn't come off as a joke at all.

I can see that, though I know that is part of the problem for me in playing one, especially in playing the romances.  Just can't get over it.  Not that I'm not happy to see Oghren get the girl, I just don't want to be the girl, heh.  I'll give it a try because I'm curious enough, though I doubt I can finish a dwarf playthrough.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
And the dwarf stories are remarkably good.  I'm actually thinking of putting my latest human noble on hold to do another casteless dwarf.  I've never played a dwarf before, ever.  I like that they can be sexy and desirable in this world and it doesn't come off as a joke at all.

I can see that, though I know that is part of the problem for me in playing one, especially in playing the romances.  Just can't get over it.  Not that I'm not happy to see Oghren get the girl, I just don't want to be the girl, heh.  I'll give it a try because I'm curious enough, though I doubt I can finish a dwarf playthrough.

Just get to the Zevran romance and see if you can STOP playing it!  But you also can make your dwarf warden by far the most beautiful dwarf in the game.  She can have a good nose, instead of what most of them have, for instance.  Really, my dwarves looked like short, curvy humans.

[Cuddlezarro]

my one problem with female dwarves would be the length of their arms it looks fine on the males IMO but for some reason doesnt look right on the women

granted you can make them rather good looking which is rather surprising (im also so very glad you arnt forced to take a beard as a dwarf of either gender)

edit: also does Zevran have anything to comment on when meeting Leske if your a casteless?

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 02 février 2010 - 06:55 .

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Just get to the Zevran romance and see if you can STOP playing it!  But you also can make your dwarf warden by far the most beautiful dwarf in the game.  She can have a good nose, instead of what most of them have, for instance.  Really, my dwarves looked like short, curvy humans.

Well it's not as if DA:O hasn't sucked up my free time completely anyway.    I'm just prejudiced towards the tall, I admit it.  I like my HNF's tall, long-legged figure and wish my elf characters could have it, too, let alone playing a dwarf.  She is taller than Alistair, I think.  Definitely taller than Zevran.  I ran a tent scene with them to see what it was like, and the kiss was weird, with her being taller than him and Zev's eyes were open.  Not that she wouldn't enjoy it, even if her player thinks it looks odd.  LOL

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

my one problem with female dwarves would be the length of their arms it looks fine on the males IMO but for some reason doesnt look right on the women

granted you can make them rather good looking which is rather surprising (im also so very glad you arnt forced to take a beard as a dwarf of either gender)

edit: also does Zevran have anything to comment on when meeting Leske if your a casteless?

No.  Morrigan is the only one that I found makes a comment about your life at all, and that's when meeting your mom.  It actually is disappointing given the discussion city elves get in the alienage.  Though I suppose a marriage would be really the only thing that affects your relationship, so that makes sense.

Edit: And I agree about the arm length on the female dwarf -- it does look off, but fortunately most of the time is spent running therefore not noticeable.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 février 2010 - 08:13 .

[Cuddlezarro]

that really is disappointing especially with what happens during the entire Leske plotline (I practically wanted to shout when I found out I had to kill him it was made even worse by the fact I killed every one but him in the hopes he would back down)

I mean you end up killing some one that you care about and yet zevran who went through a simular situation says nothing at all (though leske DID betray you unlike the girl zevran liked)

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 02 février 2010 - 08:19 .

[ejoslin]

No one says anything to the HN when s/he kills Howe, either. But Howe's dialog can be extremely satisfying. I suppose what could be said that doesn't sound like pity? I like to think that there are more discussions that happen that just aren't included in the game as is implied. I understand why finding out about whether or not your married has to be commented on immediately (who wouldn't under those circumstances), but things like Howe and Leske could happen later, in an "are you ok," conversation.

[AndreaDraco]

I just spared Loghain* on my second playthrough, and I was somewhat surprised that Zevran has nothing to say about this unexpected turn of events. It was Loghain that hired him (through Howe) in the first place, so I thought that maybe he would have said something.



* Poor Alistair. I genuinely feel bad for doing this to him. I spared Loghain only to hear his side of things and to bring him at Ostagar, but I will never do this in any subsequent playthrough!

[AnniLau]

AndreaDraco wrote...

I just spared Loghain* on my second playthrough, and I was somewhat surprised that Zevran has nothing to say about this unexpected turn of events. It was Loghain that hired him (through Howe) in the first place, so I thought that maybe he would have said something.

They have a very amusing party chat if you run them around together.

Modifié par AnniLau, 03 février 2010 - 12:43 .

[ejoslin]

AnniLau wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote...

I just spared Loghain* on my second playthrough, and I was somewhat surprised that Zevran has nothing to say about this unexpected turn of events. It was Loghain that hired him (through Howe) in the first place, so I thought that maybe he would have said something.

They have a very amusing party chat if you run them around together.

That conversation is the highlight of a "spare loghain" game.

[Cuddlezarro]

oooooooh I just downloaded the latest advanced tactics mod(I didnt realise it has been updated so iv been using an older version) and it added an option that lets Zevran(and rogues in general) backstab on hi own without me having to fiddle with him ~ shame they only just recently added the feature this would have been much more useful 5 playthroughs ago