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[Sabriana]

ejoslin wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote...

I just spared Loghain* on my second playthrough, and I was somewhat surprised that Zevran has nothing to say about this unexpected turn of events. It was Loghain that hired him (through Howe) in the first place, so I thought that maybe he would have said something.

They have a very amusing party chat if you run them around together.

That conversation is the highlight of a "spare loghain" game.

Oh lords, that chat is hilarious. Zevran has a lot of really funny banter, but this one is easily in the top 3.

[Cuddlezarro]

I wish Zevran had more banter with the dog which pretty much never leaves my party unless im forced to take some one (read Wynn+Oghren in their respective areas)



also if you have Loghain in your party his second banter with my dog makes me want to cry

[Creature 1]

A twist:  What's the romantic appeal of your character? 

Zevran can be romanced by any character you create--from baby-eating reavers to wannabe paladins, from sly mages to girls who can't figure out how to tie their own boots.  So why does Zevran love your character? 

And no one ever likes someone else 100%, so what about your character does Zevran dislike? 

Some of us have characters that haven't romanced Zevran because the character wouldn't be attracted to him, but does anyone have a character that hasn't romanced Zevran because Zevran wouldn't be interested? 

[Namirsolo]

I like the banter that Zevran does have with the dog, though. I'm especially a fan of "I agree. Go Team. Hurrah." because the way he delivers it is just hilarious.

[Sialater]

Creature 1 wrote...

A twist:  What's the romantic appeal of your character? 

Zevran can be romanced by any character you create--from baby-eating reavers to wannabe paladins, from sly mages to girls who can't figure out how to tie their own boots.  So why does Zevran love your character? 

And no one ever likes someone else 100%, so what about your character does Zevran dislike? 

Some of us have characters that haven't romanced Zevran because the character wouldn't be attracted to him, but does anyone have a character that hasn't romanced Zevran because Zevran wouldn't be interested? 

He and my HNF didn't precisely hit it off, no.  They ended squarely in the friend zone.

[ejoslin]

Well, my characters are always goddesses. Beautiful, even my dwarves, to the point where everyone comments on it. She's intensely charismatic -- she's so magnetic, that even as an woman elven mage nobles will stop and listen to her and follow what she says. She leads armies of humans. She's a strategist of the highest order. The Grey Warden is larger than life, for sure. As a character, how could anyone NOT love her?

If you care to take her down from the pedestal, I guess I'll look at my current human noble. She is beautiful, and kind, but haughty as well. She is a bit of a free spirit, as quick to take someone to bed as to insult their mother, but all with such good humor (falls under that charisma again I suppose). She speaks her mind, doesn't mince words.

Why does Zevran love her? Because they are a lot a like. Both charismatic, both skilled fighters, both willing to stand their ground for what they believe is right. But she is also a good listener, and is probably the first person who tries to get to know him and more than that, shows him kindness. She trusts him when she has absolutely no reason -- she for some reason sees him as a worthy person, and she is asking nothing from him.

The only warden I can see Zevran not being able to be interested in would be one who is very judgmental or nasty to him, but then, why would a warden like that spare him?

It's difficult because the Warden, just by nature of who she is, is completely uberness. As Leliana says if you marry Alistair, he will grow to love you. How could he help it?

Edit: That's not to say you can't end up just friends with Zevran.  But you have to turn off the romance, which is easy enough to do.  And you could easily RP that as him finding her, as everyone does, absolutely beautiful, but once talking to her, realized she was too . . . whatever.

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 février 2010 - 08:50 .

[jenovan]

Creature 1 wrote...

A twist:  What's the romantic appeal of your character? 

Zevran can be romanced by any character you create--from baby-eating reavers to wannabe paladins, from sly mages to girls who can't figure out how to tie their own boots.  So why does Zevran love your character? 

And no one ever likes someone else 100%, so what about your character does Zevran dislike? 

Some of us have characters that haven't romanced Zevran because the character wouldn't be attracted to him, but does anyone have a character that hasn't romanced Zevran because Zevran wouldn't be interested? 

Eee, what a fun question. XD

Hmm, I think part of Alessar's (male city elf) appeal for Zevran is his determination to do what he feels is the right thing, even though he may bend or break some rules, or step on some toes, to do so.  He has a strength of purpose that perhaps is appealing to someone who was raised and trained to just do as he was ordered to.

On the other hand, I can imagine Zevran getting annoyed/impatient with Alessar's insistence on trying to please all sides and make everyone happy.  It certainly involves more effort and more time to do things that way.  Zevran does make a comment to... Morrigan, I think it is, about how hard it is to serve more than one master, and Alessar frequently gets the group in situations where they are doing just that.

Perhaps straddling both ends of the spectrum is Alessar's persistence in drawing Zevran out, learning about him over time, even upsetting him with his questioning every so often.  Having someone be that honestly interested in you for yourself, not just your looks or your abilities, might be a pleasant novelty for Zevran, even if these conversations bring up things he'd rather not talk about...

(Heh, characters who Zevran wouldn't like?  Only got two altogether. XD  He might not be romantically interested in my human mage, who is just as happy to sleep around as Zevran initially seems to be.  That character's still developing as the game goes on, though... we'll see where that goes.  They'll certainly be friends, I think -- they have similar senses of humor -- but more than that.. hmm...)

Modifié par jenovan, 03 février 2010 - 08:57 .

[Cuddlezarro]

Zevran finds most of my characters just peachy...except the females funnily enough



my female city elf absolutely despised him (and pretty much every one else in the part that wasnt the dog,Shale and Morrigan) needless to say that playthrough ended with him turning into little more than a stain on my city elf's greatsword



and my arcane warrior (which i regret playing since I found the class to be fething boring to play) was to much of a goody goody and only got to the friend zone (plus she romanced Alistair and with l33t precognitive skillz she knew she had to make Alistair grow a pair to stay in a relationship with her)

[Namirsolo]

my female city elf absolutely despised him (and pretty much every
one else in the part that wasnt the dog,Shale and Morrigan) needless to
say that playthrough ended with him turning into little more than a
stain on my city elf's greatsword

This is interesting to me, because I believe my city elf would be intrigued by the first free elf (as she believes at first) she ever meets.

As for why Zevran loves her (the city elf is the one I've given the most thought to),  it's because she's strong, blunt and determined. She also has her weak points and is prone to being emotional (at least in private). She has a martyr complex. Zevran sees is attracted to what she projects on the outside at first, and is then drawn in by what is undereath it.

[Cuddlezarro]

This is interesting to me, because I believe my city elf would be intrigued by the first free elf (as she believes at first) she ever meets.

well my city elf was a psychotic **** who couldent get passed Zevrans "sleeziness" she didnt want to get married was particularly happy when her soon to be husband died and she took great pleasure in decapitating that bastard of a rapist for raping her cousin and thew the fact she murdered a human noble into the idiot of a kings face

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 03 février 2010 - 09:23 .

[Addai]

Creature 1 wrote...
Some of us have characters that haven't romanced Zevran because the character wouldn't be attracted to him, but does anyone have a character that hasn't romanced Zevran because Zevran wouldn't be interested? 

Ha, good question.  My city elf was embarrassed bringing him to the alienage, ironically.  She was innerly cringing about the other party members seeing her home because their combination of fear (Alistair, the big putz) and pity (Morrigan, Leliana) was maddening.  But with Zevran, he was seeing that she had a family and neighbors who loved her.  It would have been so hard to say "Zev, this is dad," knowing he never had something like that, and that it was all so different from the hardened Grey Warden he knew.  I would hope they could get past it, though.  He'd probably like Shianni and vice versa, for instance.

My current PC, the blood mage, I think she is in many ways a little girl.  Tough on the outside, clingy and needy on the inside.  She's not going to take his rejection well after Taliesin.  I usually figure my mages to be pretty screwed up in the relationship department.  Taken from her family at a young age, and not exactly nurtured in the tower.

My Dalish character was not Zevran material.  They became friends, but she looked down on his profession and pitied him at first.  Not the killing part, the fact that he killed at the behest of shemlen.

Modifié par Addai67, 03 février 2010 - 09:50 .

[AnniLau]

Addai67 wrote...

Time for a screenshot.  If my PC could see him gazing at her this intently, she would swoon into the Chantry well she just dumped a body into.  LOL

Meant to post this sooner but went spacey:



Alistair stares too! And I've apparently pissed Wynne off somehow...

(Nice robes, btw. )

[ciaweth]

I'm currently in my first playthrough with Zevran as the love interest. I think the appeal to my City Elf character is that:



a) she just narrowly avoided an arranged marriage that she did not want,

here's this guy who, though he was purchased as a child, hasn't got the alienage baggage and openly displays self confidence,

c) he's an elf, but not some Dalish guy who might judge her harshly



He could be a hunchbacked drooler, and she'd still be intrigued.

[Addai]

AnniLau wrote...
(Nice robes, btw. )

Hey, good taste.    Is that a modded Zevran in the background?

[AnniLau]

Addai67 wrote...

 Is that a modded Zevran in the background?

Yeah, I like the overall look better, but then he didn't seem like Zev to me so I took it back off. I'm fickle!

[Nonvita]

Creature 1 wrote...

A twist:  What's the romantic appeal of your character? 

Zevran can be romanced by any character you create--from baby-eating reavers to wannabe paladins, from sly mages to girls who can't figure out how to tie their own boots.  So why does Zevran love your character? 

And no one ever likes someone else 100%, so what about your character does Zevran dislike? 

Some of us have characters that haven't romanced Zevran because the character wouldn't be attracted to him, but does anyone have a character that hasn't romanced Zevran because Zevran wouldn't be interested? 

Ooo fun!

Why does Zevran love my CE? Well, because somehow they ended up being exactly alike. I knew before the game came out that I wanted a girl who was extremely attractive, to the point where she was used to men being unable to resist her. (I got some giggles during the origin by imagining all of the young male elves had already had relations with her, exempting Soris, of course.) In fact, she'd be offended at anyone who could resist her. She'd believe in goodness but have her image of "good" skewed by her hatred of humans and by growing up poor and discriminated against.

In practice, she turned out to be wild and free, seeking pleasures from men (and occasionally women), and thoroughly enjoying her time with them, without ever becoming attached. Throw Zevran into the equation and it was lust at first sight. There's no doubt their early time together was purely physical. BUT, she started to grow, to feel pain and sadness, regret and love. Zevran's longing for Antiva mirrored her own separation from the Alienage and her family. His regret for allowing Rinna's death mirrored her own feelings of failure at the events in the Alienage. As she felt those emotions grow inside her, he began to open up and reveal his own pain, and they discovered irrepressible feelings they'd never felt before. They both went from expecting nothing but another lover to add to the list, to finding a soul mate of the deepest kind.

Not to mention that they even look somewhat alike, they're both dual dagger rogues, they even have the same smirk in their portraits and even the same background... It's almost as if they were destined to be together from the start. Heck, I was planning to sacrifice her, but Alistair literally forced her to let him take the final blow. And Zevran gives a look in that scene as though he's so relieved that she gets to live. I think the game was telling me they had to be together. They just seem so perfect for each other now that I have a hard time romancing him with anyone else.


As for a character Zevran wouldn't be attracted to? I agree that it would probably be someone who would kill him from the start anyway. Zevran's great because he doesn't really have a "type." I could see him falling for just about anyone that offers him respect and friendship. And that's why he's so amazing. <3

[nyxocity]

I'm playing a dwarf this time, one to try out the origin, but two, to see the scenes with her and Zevran. My question is this, since I'm not as skilled in the ways of the Zevran romance as I am with the Alistair one; how do you trigger that awesome kiss scene?



The story so far... She was keeping it flirty with Alistair, and then Gorim happened in Denerim and she sort of rebounded on to him, right around the time they picked up Zevran. Things are getting slightly more serious with Alistair, and he's doing the whole romantic thing, but she likes Zevran a lot already. They have a surprising lot in common based on their very pragmatic and practical views. My PC is the sort who helps out her friends, saves the mages, etc. because they are all assets that are useful to her, and she needs them to accomplish her goals. Not to say that she doesn't care about them, they have indeed grown on her quite a bit, but doing anything just to make them happy? Not likely. Also, she and Zevran share a relish for battle and bloodshed, and she likes his cocky, arrogant attitude, as well as his sense of humor. Things haven't advanced to the point of anything happening between them yet, so the Alistair romance will likely play out and she and Zevran will remain friends until Alistair dumps her at Landsmeet. I can only imagine how having yet another lover ripped from her forever by duty will affect her. It's still early in the game though, so who knows what'll happen? Should be a very interesting playthrough.

[ejoslin]

The kiss is when you select "Care to join me in my tent," if you're not using a PC and a mod like dialog tweaks. Otherwise, the only PDA is actually a goodbye, and keeps the romance casual instead of letting it go to love.

Edit: You can't finish the Zevran romance until later in the game anyway, but by doing it this way, you miss out on the best Wynne apology for questioning your romance.  Even in my games where I romance Alistair, I make sure not to have the "you are quite taken with each other" conversation with Wynne until it will be about Zevran.

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 février 2010 - 10:52 .

[nyxocity]

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: I'm still a bit annoyed over the Leliana scenes being obviously the same for females and males.  I already knew the Alistair scenes were  the same for all, and that's fine, but you'd think, especially given the fact that Zevran gets a different cut scene and kiss scene for all races (and genders I would assume) that they would at least not have an obviously male/female tent scene for female/female.  

Something interesting I just found out recently. In my male elf playthrough romancing Zevran, Zevran topped during their sex scene. My friend told me that if you play a human male romancing him, then you top. I don't know if the scenes are the same or not (haven't played a male human romancing him), but I thought that was a very interesting detail for them to add, switching it up.

[nyxocity]

ejoslin wrote...

The kiss is when you select "Care to join me in my tent," if you're not using a PC and a mod like dialog tweaks. Otherwise, the only PDA is actually a goodbye, and keeps the romance casual instead of letting it go to love.

Edit: You can't finish the Zevran romance until later in the game anyway, but by doing it this way, you miss out on the best Wynne apology for questioning your romance.  Even in my games where I romance Alistair, I make sure not to have the "you are quite taken with each other" conversation with Wynne until it will be about Zevran.

Oh, so it's every time you ask him to your tent? Well, that's pretty awesome Is the other kiss you're talking about the public one he asks for? I'd heard something about that one. I wish I had a PC version to mod for kisses on demand from him. It's one thing I really adore about Alistair.

I think I got that one in my male elf play through, but darned if I can remember how it went. I'll have to go look it up.

[ejoslin]

thenyxie wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

The kiss is when you select "Care to join me in my tent," if you're not using a PC and a mod like dialog tweaks. Otherwise, the only PDA is actually a goodbye, and keeps the romance casual instead of letting it go to love.

Edit: You can't finish the Zevran romance until later in the game anyway, but by doing it this way, you miss out on the best Wynne apology for questioning your romance.  Even in my games where I romance Alistair, I make sure not to have the "you are quite taken with each other" conversation with Wynne until it will be about Zevran.

Oh, so it's every time you ask him to your tent? Well, that's pretty awesome Is the other kiss you're talking about the public one he asks for? I'd heard something about that one. I wish I had a PC version to mod for kisses on demand from him. It's one thing I really adore about Alistair.

I think I got that one in my male elf play through, but darned if I can remember how it went. I'll have to go look it up.

The public one is bad to get.  You tell him twice you don't care if he stays or leaves, then you tell him after he asks to stay that you want him around for the kissing.  He kisses you and stays at adore, basically keeping the romance from switching to love.  You can still go to the tent because it doesn't go to friendly either, but you miss out on the best romance dialog that way.  And the best friendship dialog as well.

Edit: It's too bad that you have to mod it to be able to kiss him anywhere.  It's also why I'm glad I got it for my PC instead of xbox.  Because, yes, the PDA is a fantastic part of the Alistair romance.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 février 2010 - 11:02 .

[jenovan]

thenyxie wrote...
Something interesting I just found out recently. In my male elf playthrough romancing Zevran, Zevran topped during their sex scene. My friend told me that if you play a human male romancing him, then you top. I don't know if the scenes are the same or not (haven't played a male human romancing him), but I thought that was a very interesting detail for them to add, switching it up.

From what I understand, Zev has different scenes for everybody.   Maybe one of the other male PC players will pipe up, but my male human's not quite at that point with Zevran yet. 

Amusingly, the Better Sex Cutscene mod has an optional piece that allows the male elf PC to top.   The scene is exactly the same otherwise, though.  (Couldn't have been too hard to tweak, it would be two male elf body types at work..)

[BlastedLands]

ejoslin wrote...



The public one is bad to get.  You tell him twice you don't care if he stays or leaves, then you tell him after he asks to stay that you want him around for the kissing.  He kisses you and stays at adore, basically keeping the romance from switching to love.  You can still go to the tent because it doesn't go to friendly either, but you miss out on the best romance dialog that way.  And the best friendship dialog as well.

there's another kiss in that dialogue. bad choice, though.

[ejoslin]

Haerja wrote...

ejoslin wrote...



The public one is bad to get.  You tell him twice you don't care if he stays or leaves, then you tell him after he asks to stay that you want him around for the kissing.  He kisses you and stays at adore, basically keeping the romance from switching to love.  You can still go to the tent because it doesn't go to friendly either, but you miss out on the best romance dialog that way.  And the best friendship dialog as well.

there's another kiss in that dialogue. bad choice, though.

Yeh, I always just tell the guy I would be sorely put out if he left.  Who on earth would want to hear, "Well, you should go if you want"?  If my lover said that to me, it would break my heart 

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 février 2010 - 11:25 .

[BlastedLands]

ejoslin wrote...



Yeh, I always just tell the guy I would be sorely put out if he left.  Who on earth would want to hear, "Well, you should go if you want"?  If my lover said that to me, it would break my heart 

i'm referring to the route where you tell him to go "...or else". now, that's bad.
although i would find it rather hilarious, if bioware would remember to put in an option to meet him again after that. he doesn't seem that mad at you and even mentions it. <3

hey, why write such lines if they just lead nowhere?