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[makinthemost]

I'm a big ol' poof, and I find it very difficult to play as a guy and not end up with zevran. Not just because it's the only gay relationship, but also he is actually a nice person. Morrigan is ridiculous, plays far too hot and cold, and Leliana I find very irritating, and far too clingy.



Zevran is funny, attractive, and I could lsiten to his voice all day

[Gilsa]

I like Zevran a lot because he definitely shows his love through his actions. I don't worry being judged harshly by him (as opposed to Alistair who will flip out at times). I also feel he is his own man and will protect me from harm. This is evident when his old Crow friend returns and you can practically see Zevran taking charge of the moment. It seems that he is somewhat inserting himself between you and the Crow. That scene made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. It would be nice to hear him confess his love just once, but it is obvious why he doesn't. He does a great job of showing his love so why quibble over one little thing? He's also a very nice change from all the layers of complications that comes along with the Alistair romance post-Landsmeet. I always have mixed feelings at the end with Alistair while with Zev, it's like, "Yay! We're finally going to be alone now!"

Alistair scores a lot of points with me because he flat out tells me what I like to hear. His big moment was his observation of how hard my character worked without complaining, that I got none of the good stuff that went with being a Grey Warden, and how much he admired me. I liked that he noticed me for my actions rather than being a hot chick or something. The difference between Alistair and Zev is that Alistair is more of a follower while Zev is more of a take-charge guy, not shy about his opinions. That line about Zev storming the city with you in the end was great. While Alistair DOES insist on sacrificing himself for you, it's just smacks a teeny bit of "too little, too late." Why didn't he say anything when the three of us were in the room with Riordan and my character would volunteer to be the one to die? That just seemed like an odd moment to NOT say something, y'know? If Alistair had volunteered to take the final blow, I would have told him no way, no how. And then Riordan could have stepped in and said that he was going to do it since his time was up anyway, thus ending the conversation there.

Another difference between Alistair and Zev, while they're both devoted to my characters, Alistair is the solider that would leave me behind to do his duty elsewhere while vowing to return and Zev is the guy that would say, "Oh, screw that, I'm coming with you whether you like it or not!"

[Sylph_14]

I dunno, I'd say he confesses to being in love fairly well at the Denerim gates. Whether you leave him or take him, has a similar lines, although the meanings are a bit different.

 If you take him, the line is something like: "By your side, I would storm the Dark City itself." In other words, he's saying that the player char makes him feel like he can do anything.

If you leave him, the line is "To be by your side, I would storm the Dark City itself." which to me sure sounded like a "I would do anything to be with you."

Either way, I went all warm and fuzzy Maybe not a blatent "I love you", but it definitely an emotionally loaded moment.

[frostajulie]

Okay can someone tell me how to get him to offer the earing again? I must have done something wrong? I usually accept the earing and thank him but I heard he will offer it to you again if you tell him you won't take it unless it means something. I had him at 100% on the approval meter. I gave him lots of opportunity went back and forth from Denerim to camp many times but i never happened could someone please break it down for me or is it fake?

[Sialater]

Uh... he said that to my mage elf when she left him behind at the gates. She'd dumped him for Al. Apparently, Zev still carried a torch.

[Carliw]

frostajulie wrote...

Okay can someone tell me how to get him to offer the earing again? I must have done something wrong? I usually accept the earing and thank him but I heard he will offer it to you again if you tell him you won't take it unless it means something. I had him at 100% on the approval meter. I gave him lots of opportunity went back and forth from Denerim to camp many times but i never happened could someone please break it down for me or is it fake?

It's not fake. He does offer it again as a token of affection, but only in the dialogue after he refuses to join you in the tent. And I noticed that even then, it doesn't happen with every dialogue option.
If when he asks you if you understand him at all,  you tell him that you do and you do feel the same way, he indeed doesn't offer the earring.
If instead you say, "I'm no wiser than you in that area, Zevran," he will ask you about the future of you two together, and  in the follow-up he will offer the earring.

Modifié par Carliw, 03 janvier 2010 - 03:19 .

[Namirsolo]

Carliw wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

Okay can someone tell me how to get him to offer the earing again? I must have done something wrong? I usually accept the earing and thank him but I heard he will offer it to you again if you tell him you won't take it unless it means something. I had him at 100% on the approval meter. I gave him lots of opportunity went back and forth from Denerim to camp many times but i never happened could someone please break it down for me or is it fake?

It's not fake. He does offer it again as a token of affection, but only in the dialogue after he refuses to join you in the tent. And I noticed that even then, it doesn't happen with every dialogue option.
If when he asks you if you understand him at all,  you tell him that you do and you do feel the same way, he indeed doesn't offer the earring.
If instead you say, "I'm no wiser than you in that area, Zevran," he will ask you about the future of you two together, and  in the follow-up he will offer the earring.

Thanks for posting this. I had never takne the route of turning down the earring, but I'm planning it on my next playthrough since I haven't seen the dialogue he has the second time.

I think the reason that Zevran will not say the words "I love you" is because he really feels like the last time he said it, it led to Rinna's death. I'd like to think that he would get to a point in the future with the PC where he would be able to say it, only just because it IS just words and eventually he would realize that. I do, however, find the concept of him thinking that the words themselves are meaningless and what he does means much more as way more meaningful and romantic than anything Alistair says or does.

[Carliw]

Namirsolo wrote...


Thanks for posting this. I had never takne the route of turning down the earring, but I'm planning it on my next playthrough since I haven't seen the dialogue he has the second time.

I think the reason that Zevran will not say the words "I love you" is because he really feels like the last time he said it, it led to Rinna's death. I'd like to think that he would get to a point in the future with the PC where he would be able to say it, only just because it IS just words and eventually he would realize that. I do, however, find the concept of him thinking that the words themselves are meaningless and what he does means much more as way more meaningful and romantic than anything Alistair says or does.

You're more than welcome!
Another thing you might want to try eventually is refusing Zevran's 'massage' and ask him into your tent only when you have his approval at 'love.'
(In case you don't want to spoil yourself with 'cake before the dinner' by learning what happens before experiencing it ingame, just skip the next paragraph.)


The conversation is slightly different then; he still turns you down, but you can ask him if that means he doesn't feel the same way you do. He will seem angry and go on about he doesn't want to talk about feelings, but at the end of the conversation you get his approval precisely for choosing to bring up the subject of feelings. (That is if you don't have his approval maxed out already; you can't get more approval if you do, of course. XD)
EDIT: Forgot to mention, there seems to be a glitch after that, though, because the next time you ask him into your tent after this convo, you get the same conversation as if you ask him to bed when his approval is low/neutral. Same for the conversation after the deed. :S


Hm, I've honestly never missed that 'I love you' much, as I always thought the other things he says convey that emotion more than well.

Modifié par Carliw, 03 janvier 2010 - 04:57 .

[ejoslin]

Carliw wrote...


What do you mean 'stands down?'
I probably should try for myself to see, but if I can avoid checking out Isabela's cabins, I will.
I think the ending can be interpreted in both ways, but I admit I find your interpretation more appealing.
Some epilogues are so vague (that traveling/staying together 'for a time,' for example).

No, I completely understand why he would break off. Being seriously in love when the other side considers it plain amusement is very difficult to take, and Zevran's little heart  has been broken, tortured, and twisted too many times already.
(But for that matter, I wouldn't want to involve others at any stage of the romance.)

There's two endings to when Zevran asks Leliana to knock boots.  One I think she tells him if all other men in Ferelden were dead he may have a chance, the other, which happens after Zevran is at 100 love and Leliana tells you how attractive she thinks he is and you tell her you're sure Zevran wouldn't mind her joining in. If the "knock boots" dialog happens after that, she accepts and he demurs. I actually have never done the four way, so I'm not sure if that would make a difference in the dialog, but I doubt it would.

I have spent more time running over that bridge in Redcliff with various party members!

The epilogue, I was actually surprised that people read it to say he had lots of partners. Rereading it, I can see how someone may get that meaning, but it doesn't read that way to me at all.  Either way, it's an incredibly sad ending.  And yes, the "for a time" is interesting as it can be interpreted as a breakup, but it can also include both of them doing something else.  

Edit: Slightly off topic, but if you romance Leliana, does she also rebuild the gray wardens if you choose to do so?  I know Alistair and Zevran do, but I never have heard anyone mention that ending.

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 janvier 2010 - 04:57 .

[Sylph_14]

Aww, I think I already had the convo where she tells him off :[ I wanna hear him back down XD

[Axterix]

Gilsa wrote...

While Alistair DOES insist on sacrificing himself for you, it's just smacks a teeny bit of "too little, too late." Why didn't he say anything when the three of us were in the room with Riordan and my character would volunteer to be the one to die? That just seemed like an odd moment to NOT say something, y'know? If Alistair had volunteered to take the final blow, I would have told him no way, no how. And then Riordan could have stepped in and said that he was going to do it since his time was up anyway, thus ending the conversation there.

I don't know about that.

As the type of guy who would (I'd like to think I would, anyway) do the sacrifice thing, I wouldn't pipe up at a meeting about it beforehand.  If I was the logical choice, like in Riordan's situation, okay.  But for the situation Alistair is in?  It'd be too self focused, look at me, being the big hero.  It is something that seems would go more with Gaston (from Disney's Beauty and the Beast), heroic pose included, of course, than Alistair.

A sacrifice like that shouldn't be announced beforehand.  It is about the action, not the words.  It is about sacrificing yourself, not getting a reward, attention for offering to do so.  To announce it is to cheapen it.  Not to mention it gives others the foreknowledge to do something like KO you and sacrifice themselves instead, which would tend to interfere with your own ability to sacrifice yourself for their sake.

And with that, I'll now return this thread to those that find Zevran romantically appealing

Modifié par Axterix, 03 janvier 2010 - 05:28 .

[Carliw]

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: Slightly off topic, but if you romance Leliana, does she also rebuild the gray wardens if you choose to do so?  I know Alistair and Zevran do, but I never have heard anyone mention that ending.

I have yet to try that ending, but I think she does. Scavenged this:

"As for < FirstName / >'s companions, they went their separate ways. Leliana and < FirstName / > returned to the Grey Wardens, helping to rebuild the order for a time, then joining an effort to investigate the darkspawn's remaining secrets."

ejoslin wrote...
There's two endings to when Zevran asks
Leliana to knock boots.  One I think she tells him if all other men in
Ferelden were dead he may have a chance, the other, which happens after
Zevran is at 100 love and Leliana tells you how attractive she thinks
he is and you tell her you're sure Zevran wouldn't mind her joining in.
If the "knock boots" dialog happens after that, she accepts and he
demurs. I actually have never done the four way, so I'm not sure if
that would make a difference in the dialog, but I doubt it would.

I have spent more time running over that bridge in Redcliff with various party members!

The
epilogue, I was actually surprised that people read it to say he had
lots of partners. Rereading it, I can see how someone may get that
meaning, but it doesn't read that way to me at all.  Either way, it's
an incredibly sad ending.  And yes, the "for a time" is interesting as
it can be interpreted as a breakup, but it can also include both of
them doing something else. 

Ah, all right. I didn't undertand it correctly; I thought you were refering to a possible dialogue linked directly to what happens/has happened at Isabela's.

I did spend some time running over that bridge in Orzammar (towards the Proving Grounds), then into the Dalish camp, and also straight from the entrance to Denerim market to trigger the converations, but once I got the voice files, I found shufling trough them easier.

Agreed, it is a very sad ending no matter how you look at it. 

Modifié par Carliw, 03 janvier 2010 - 05:38 .

[Namirsolo]

Agreed, it is a very sad ending no matter how you look at it.

I haven't been able to do the self-sacrifice in any of my three playthroughs. I know other people see it as the right thing to do without the ritual, but I was perfectly willing to let  Alistair do it.

I don't think I could do that to Zevran. It would break my heart irl.

[Sylph_14]

I did it once to see for myself, I was seriously in tears ;_; Sacrificing yourself is an awful thing to do to Zevran if you've been romancing him, he just doesn't seem to ever recover from it.

[ejoslin]

Sacrificing yourself destroys all that is good about Zevran. It destroys Alistair as well if you don't make him king. Sacrifice, the hero's death, just isn't worth the price. It makes Morrigan's offer a lot more . . . palatable.

[Sylph_14]

ejoslin wrote...

Sacrificing yourself destroys all that is good about Zevran. It destroys Alistair as well if you don't make him king. Sacrifice, the hero's death, just isn't worth the price. It makes Morrigan's offer a lot more . . . palatable.

Definitely. I find it hard to play a character that would think she owes the world her life. My reaction to Wynne's little speech about having to serve mankind and all that was "I don't wanna D:"

Seriously, the look on Zev's face at the funeral if you do the sacrifice is heartbreaking T_T

[Astranagant]

Zevran is, to me, the biggest shortfall in terms of characters in DAO. Even after trudging through all his dialogue and events, he still feels like a two-dimensional "latin lover" stereotype.

[AndreaDraco]

Then I think that you really haven't trudged through all his dialogues.

[BlastedLands]

AndreaDraco wrote...

Then I think that you really haven't trudged through all his dialogues.

or at least this thread.... oO

[ejoslin]

AndreaDraco wrote...

Then I think that you really haven't trudged through all his dialogues.

Or have just taken conversation trees that lead to sex talk.  

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, one other roleplay reason to get involved with Zevran, even for a good two shoes character. When discussing various party members with Alistair, you can choose to tell him that you and Zevran have a connection. There are people in this world we just click with, and apparently Zevran and the PC are two such people.

[Sabriana]

Zevran is a great character in my opinion, and one of the deepest one in game. Once the PC breaks through his defenses, he shows more and more of his insecure, confused, and loyal side.

He is, next to my dog, the most loyal companion there is, and I don't have to constantly support him, do/say nice things (even when it goes completely against my character), and so far, he's the only one who'll listen to reason.

He also is the one who will take charge when confronted by the Crows. His line "And I'm not about to let that happen" all but says that.

I remember the very first time my PC fell for him, and that was when he told her that his mother was "his first victim, so to speak." His facial expression is heart-breaking.

As far as I'm concerned, Zevran will not say "I love you" because in his world, love is cheap, an illusion up for sale. Let us not forget that he was taken at the age of 7 and raised to be a cold blooded assassin. Through physical, psychological, and sexual abuse. Imagine what that can do to a small child. Yet, unlike others, he never needs to be supported, on the contrary, he supports my girl.

He also never complains about his terrible life, but he does appreciate compassion.

[Sylph_14]

Sabriana wrote...

I remember the very first time my PC fell for him, and that was when he told her that his mother was "his first victim, so to speak." His facial expression is heart-breaking.

I think that was pretty much it on my first playthrough too. I had intented to romance Alistair and just be a friend to the other characters, but Zev was just to irresistable >.>

I also adored his expression at the end of the game with the post-coronation chat. He just looked so genuninely happy, it was adorable

[Sabriana]

@ Sylph:

Yeah, that was melt-worthy too. "You have me, and you are stuck with me." Oh how sweet that was.

[Ubasti]

I was going to answer to this thread "because he's good in bed" but after reading all the fine sentiments, I just can't leave it at that. Although that is what he has compared to Alistair at least, and even if the younger women might not think so now, it is something that starts to matter later years at least somewhat .

Anyhow, why it is so difficult to see the appeal of any of the romance options? I mean, it is a game, a fantasy world, isn't it? At least I play a role in it, it's like acting to me, I am not myself while playing (if I'd be, I'd go for Duncan - or Wynne  - otherwise I'd feel like a child molester...). And thus, playing a role, my characters are different from each other. My first one fell in love with Alistair, mainly because he is there first and she was a noble woman. My second one is a Dalish elf (female), and doesn't like humans much, so it's only natural she'd choose Zevran. Besides, she's also into that thing called sex, and not some gentle flower (as she stated at Alistair too) who likes to be treated as one. She likes men who like sex and who also like danger and excitement. And she's not in love with Zev yet, at least she doesn't admit it to herself .

So why did I want to make a character to at all romance Zevran then? Because I love roleplaying, and I love to make different type of characters. And I love romances in games, have done so since BG2. And for me just keeping playing Alistair romance every play through wouldn't be that rewarding. Yeah, I'm gonna try out both of the female romances too, and possibly (if I have time) a gay romance with Zev.